The thing that I don't understand about religiots is that we study all these thousands of peoples that had thousands of...

>The thing that I don't understand about so-called "science" is that we study all these thousands of peoples that had thousands of different beliefs about the world for thousands of years in the past, and now all of the sudden their theory is supposed to be the right one? Makes no sense, and seems to come from a position of ignorance.
Sometimes there is a truth, and all the mistaken attempts to reach it don't disprove that it exists.

The truth is scientific truth. Your "truth" is just as mistaken as those other mistaken attempts. There is literally no difference, your "truth" is literally of the same stuff and uses borrowed elements, like Isis to form Mary.

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If all successful cultures of recorded history had religion of some sort how much more ignorant is it to deny that any of them were correct and say no religion is right?

If all successful cultures of recorded history had slavery of some sort how much more ignorant is it to deny that any of them were correct and say no slavery is right?

By definition they can't all be correct since their religions conflict.

Are you implying that slavery is wrong? kys nigger

That's like saying farm animals are successful because of the farms that slaughter them, all hail the farm.

I'm implying it's an antiquated practice just like religion is.

>seems to come from a position of ignorance.
look in the mirror

truth is exclusive. Any claim on truth necessarily excludes the contrary. God, gods, or no god, only one is the case. You're playing the same game whether you like it or not.

The bible is 1000% more interesting if you are NOT religious. If you accept that god is not real, suddenly you realize what religion really is: A compilation of all the rules our ancestors found useful for the health of society. Don't have sex out of wedlock, don't give rights to women, don't touch people with diseases.

Every decision made by god indicates a question humans wanted to know the answer to, but were unable to answer themselves

Every order given by god indicates a practice humans found useful but couldn't explain why, or a practice that was difficult to get the masses to follow

If you found some ancient hieroglyphics, you wouldn't criticize their literary content. You would be fascinated, you would think, "what does this tell me about the people who wrote it and the people who read it?" Well, that does not only apply to ancient text. It applies to any text.

>picrelated is OP

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Religion started because people were afraid of the possibility of that there is no life after death, so they made religions to convince themselves otherwise. These people will exist as long as the human race exists. So don’t expect religions to die out anytime soon.

What you just wrote comes from a position of ignorance, since you act like we don't know anything about these different religions, and they'r all just as likely to be true.

That's exactly how I approach the babble though. I just see it as hieroglyphics from a bunch of desert jews. And the writings of Mesopotamians are a lot more interesting and predate the babble.

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The truth is before you.

Do you need a religion to show you what is before you?

>and they'r all just as likely to be true

This is true because they're all just made up bullshit.

No.

What other religious texts does this apply to?

That's a bunch of nonsense, since a lot of religions had plenty of counterproductive practices, like sacrifices, and even human sacrifices. Also stuff like reading omens in animal's entrails.
Also, the idea that God became human and lived and suffered as one is not explained by your allegations.

Sumerian and Babylonian ones.

>This is true because they're all just made up bullshit.
And how do you know this to be true? Do you just assume it because it's comfortable for you to hold this belief?

Three responses for one post I think he's triggered lads. Name one society that has successfully managed to maintain what modern society would consider moral without religion. There aren't any because without religion morals mean nothing and society falls apart. Look at France after the dark ages, they outlawed all religion the drunkenness and sexual revolution began within 50 years they reversed the ban because the state of their society got too out of hand. Also I'm not saying they are all correct I'm saying it's to think that if all of our ancestors that successfully cultivated cultures worth recording to history had religious practices of some sort it's foolish to say having no religion is the right answer because every time atheism has been put into practice in history shit falls apart. Not a single religion has to be right for my point to be but spoilers Christianity is the right answer.

>Also, the idea that God became human and lived and suffered as one is not explained by your allegations.

Ancient Greek religion had a lot about Zeus becoming a human and even an animal to seduce attractive young women and impregnate them.

It's true because I have a high IQ brain with the capacity of recognizing patterns from input data. I see no reason why I should treat some Levantine desert cult differently from the others.

>not knowing sacrifices come from communicating with demons from excessive drug consumption that demand human sacrifice
Look at this pleb here

>Name one society that has successfully managed to maintain what modern society would consider moral without religion.

extremely low IQ post

even Abrahamic societies wouldn't be considered moral by Christian moral standards, with their stoning of adultresses

If your only argument for believing in a god is "we need it to be moral" then that's not only wrong but it also shows how false and disingenuous your belief in your god actually is.

Yes there are things like sacrifices, but even if not useful to society, it at least tells you something about human nature. Think about it yourself, why on earth have civilizations across the world done this practice of sacrificing? It's been an absolute constant throughout human history, and to just say "because they were dumb hurr durr" is doing yourself a disservice.

Jesus saw that the old testament only guaranteed a good life to jews, and so concocted a plan to take their religion and apply it to everyone in the world. There you go, the explanation of why "god became a human."

Your facetiousness further proves you're a fedora-wearing neckbeard incapable of taking the conversation seriously

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The only difference between athiesm and thiesm is that their priests wear white coats instead of black robes. This is one of the reasons atheists will never be able to grasp the full truth of how bad things are. They don't believe in the super natural and dismiss any possibility they are wrong. So when they see reports of idol worship from the elite echelons of society at bohemian grove or emails about moloch worship they dismiss it as conspiracy even when the evidence is right in front of them. Surely they know more than the most rich people in the world do right? They have the answers not the people in positions of power right? The absolute ego required to be an atheist is beyond belief literally you have to believe in yourself more than anything else it's almost worse than being Jewish

>The only difference between athiesm and thiesm is that their priests wear white coats instead of black robes.

You forgot the big difference of material evidence.

Even if the societies were immoral by our standards they were stable which is something atheism never is able to conjure. I didn't say it was my only reason for believing in God but I did say it's foolish to promote an ideology that has never once successfully established a stable society laughing at those who have as inferior in their beliefs.

Keep kidding yourself retard. plenty of people much smarter than you believe and have believed in God.
What you wrote still contradicts what he said so I don't see your point.
This only shows the lack of though you put into this. You can't compare a Greek god interacting with humans for his own pleasure to literally the creator of everything becoming a regular human, and suffering as one. And a Greek God is closer to a human that to the Christian idea of God, you'r just fooled by the similar name.

>some Levantine desert cult

Because of the IMPACT. Like i said to some other guy, you are doing yourself a disservice. It doesn't matter how stupid christianity seems, the bottom line is, it synergized with hundreds of millions of human brains over millennia. You owe it to yourself to ask "why" and not resort to "lol ancient people sure is stupid"

Smart people don't need it to be moral. Religion was invented to keep the dipshits in line. 85% of the human population is not capable of reasoning. We evolved this way, not everyone needs to be a genius for the species to survive. But most people are far too stupid for an organized society to survive. Hence religion was one attempt to solve this problem. Do we need religion anymore? Up to you, but I would say yes

The correct religion should be one of the religions that is dominating the world. Because the correct religion would have an advantage over the incorrect religions.

There is evidence of occult worship in the highest levels of our society. There are replicatable experiments to have out of body experiences using drugs or meditation but you dismiss that evidence as hallucination even if it's a shared experience accross many different people testifying to it. But you know better than the queen of England or every president since the early 1900s right?

All of them. Some had different goals than others. The bible (especially after the addition of the new testament) genuinely was an attempt to hold human society together. Others, like the quran, were an attempt to give one specific man a ton of power. The story of muhammad is incredibly blatant that it was just some guy trying to get rich

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>implying egyptian/greek/roman/celt/baltic/scandanavian gods are the same with different names

>Smart people don't need it to be moral. Religion was invented to keep the dipshits in line. 85% of the human population is not capable of reasoning. We evolved this way, not everyone needs to be a genius for the species to survive. But most people are far too stupid for an organized society to survive. Hence religion was one attempt to solve this problem. Do we need religion anymore? Up to you, but I would say yes

I agree with you, and this is why I feel I don't need religion: I'm not a low IQ dipshit. But I think with rising IQs throughout the world at some point religion becomes dysgenic and a burden on society. What we need is to enlighten people and raise their thinking ability, not a system to keep the monkeys in line, because hopefully they wouldn't be monkeys by that point.

I think your idea of the Bible is too simplistic. You're right that a bunch of practical ideas and folk wisdom are included but there's a lot more that can't be explained in those terms.

I wasn't implying that at all.

>religion is a social technology that controls behavior to make a healthy society that defeats its competitors
So simple gaytheists can't see it.

>thousands of different gods for thousands of years in the past, and now all of the sudden their religion is supposed to be the right one? Makes no sense, and seems to come from a position of ignorance.

Completely compatible with Hinduism, Jainism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Dao etc.

It's only your retarded jewish religions that have an issue with it.

>Think about it yourself, why on earth have civilizations across the world done this practice of sacrificing? It's been an absolute constant throughout human history, and to just say "because they were dumb hurr durr" is doing yourself a disservice.
But that is the reason, and the Bible says so as well.
>Jesus saw that the old testament only guaranteed a good life to jews, and so concocted a plan to take their religion and apply it to everyone in the world. There you go, the explanation of why "god became a human."
That makes no sense. So you think Christianity is a constructed religion with the purpose of bettering the world? That's some schizo level of of conspiracy. Why would anyone do that?

elite occult worship is for behavioral control and conformity.

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yeah i meant arent
they are btw

>there is evidence that the same chemical has the same effect on different human brains

Remarkable!!!! You mean to tell me that a mushroom which fucks with the part of your prefrontal cortex responsible for spatial reasoning causes you to feel an "out of body" sensation??? That's all i need to know to start talking to my dead grandmother's ghost by sprinkling incense ashes into goats blood

Kill yourself without delay

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>Because of the IMPACT.

I see this as an artifact of history more than anything. Like how there were four competing powers in the new world (Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, English and French) and it just happened that the Anglo one became dominant because of how wars and alliances played out.

Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. Sometimes they were completely new made up shit like Serapis.

>Because of the IMPACT.

European success wasn't because of Christianity, Christianity was just the mind virus that happened to be carried with Europeans. Consider the different interpretations and applications of Christianity, it's really just decoration to what was really going on.

Yeah they all dress in red robe and burn child effigies to an owl idol named Minerva because it's the easiest way they wont betray eachother... right. They sacrifice kids to moloch by name because that's the easiest way to keep themselves in line... sure thing kiddo.

>hur dur they made up some new gods
thats how folk religions work, also they didnt have a term like science back then but still had to explain natural forces

Then it becomes a biological debate: Are humans biologically capable of becoming that smart on that scale? I would say "absolutely fucking not." As I said, we evolved this way, 85% people are genuinely no smarter than a dog, they just give the illusion of sentience by having the faculties for speech. This is a feature of our species, and would take hundreds of thousands of years to fix

So what? It didn't emerge in a vacuum my friend. A lot of the bible was borrowed from even older, more primitive religions. Some of it can be explained as superstition, but even those things tell you something about human psychology at least. The bible is absolutely rich with information about human nature

Sacrificing existed long before the bible. See the above

Catholicism is a curated religion with defined heresies to enforce official doctrine. Religion controls behavior of the masses. Of course if you look at recent changes vatican 2 to the current pope you can see exactly how catholcism is being changed to promote different behaviors.

A specific example is no longer praying for the conversion of all jews or the general exclusion/excommunication of all non-catholics.

Study more philosophy. Research into Nietzsche.

God is merely the example of the perfect person within a society.

The way humanity works: men compete with each other in hierarchies. Women select mates from the top of the hierarchies. People begin to tell stories about how they reached the top of hierarchies.

Over 100s of generations, these stories become myths, myths become legends. This is the basis of all religions.

>mutual blackmail and cement of blood don't exist
It doesn't matter if the elites believe in their occult, it doesn't matter if their occult is real. What matters is that the elites act as if their occult is real.

>and now all of the sudden their religion is supposed to be the right one?
Yes, we're a culturally Christian civilisation and whether you choose to believe it, you should respect the culture influence of Christianity. Go and sacrifice some chickens over an altar to make the grain grow if you want though.

So explain astral projection and lucid dreaming which can be done simply by using proper breathing techniques combined with spinal alignment? And again since you keep avoiding the question explain why people higher up the societal ladder believe and practice these things that you don't? What information do you have that they don't?

Because that's the easiest and most simple way to mutually black mail eachother right? Completely avoiding my point as per usual.

>The way humanity works: men compete with each other in hierarchies. Women select mates from the top of the hierarchies. People begin to tell stories about how they reached the top of hierarchies.

I agree with you that females are a selective filter for nature's experimentation with males, but your connecting it to religion to me seems tenuous as fuck. For starters God was a creator, not a person in a society. Religions probably started as a way to explain natural phenomena and the explainers (priests) started to occupy powerful roles in society.

>gods
Seems like people just used to call everything a God back then. A talking alligator ? god! A really popular king? GOD!
Jeez have some standards.

Threads about Egyptian/Greek/Roman gods always get shilled to death by the feds. But I thought they didn't exist?

Really activates my almonds...

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>Sacrificing existed long before the bible. See the above
Well yes of course so what's your point? Your other comments don't clarify it.
And stuff like >A lot of the bible was borrowed from even older, more primitive religions.
implies you look at the Bible starting with the conviction that it's not true. So of course all you will see is pieces of data that confirm your beliefs.

>scientific truth is truth
Hahahaha. :)

I think European success is just to do with being on a relatively small continent packed with high IQ ethnic groups in close proximity to each other so inventions and concepts spread fast and the constant need for warfare leads to competition which leads to mass development. And European intelligence comes from evolving in cold climates where surviving through winters was a priority.

Meditation and the like can certainly affect your neurotransmitters, like any drug but not as extreme. I don't see any proof that higher people do it, but if they do, I would assume it's to gain insights and basically overclock their brains. Note I did not say "drugs are bad" I am simply saying drugs do not do anything supernatural. They do stuff in your brain, stuff that may even be beneficial. That does not mean ghosts are real or some shit

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>God is merely the example of the perfect person within a society.
>t. Fred Nietzsche

>Then it becomes a biological debate: Are humans biologically capable of becoming that smart on that scale? I would say "absolutely fucking not." As I said, we evolved this way, 85% people are genuinely no smarter than a dog, they just give the illusion of sentience by having the faculties for speech. This is a feature of our species, and would take hundreds of thousands of years to fix

It's saddening but I'm starting to come to terms to it only now in my life, after feeling left out for not clicking with certain things. Most things out there are for dum-dums, the smart people are in a world of their own. Imagine how subhuman we must appear to really high IQ and knowledgeable individuals.

Could it possibly be that the philosophies the religion promotes is more important than the belief itself?

Extremely low IQ response to a post. Your response only proves that you never read s single word about Philosophy.

“God is dead, we killed him” -Nietzsche

God represents inherent truth within a society. Without inherent truth, things break down.

That’s why we live on this Post-Modern hell hole full of trannies today. The trannies can only exist if there’s no inherent truth.

I agree with everything you wrote here. If you mean to use the changes in the Catholic Church to show that Christianity is a constucted religion (if not please explain your point better), then you fail. First of all i'm Orthodox, not Catholic so I'm not gonna defend them, But changes within a religious institution to appeal to the masses, and outright creating a religion out of nothing are not at all similar things.

This is not something I need to prove, this is a simple fact you need to grasp: the bible did not emerge in a vacuum. In order to completely write off the bible as nonsense, you must say to yourself "the writers of the bible were just throwing darts at a dartboard with a bunch of random-ass ideas written on it"

I think that is probably not the case, so that leaves you with the task of asking "Why did the writers carry this over from older religions? Why did the writers say god demanded such and such?" It's very simple my friend, I am not here to explain the whole book, I am simply saying, it is not nonsense. The bible was written to impact humanity, and succeeded, and it is immensely valuable to study WHY

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>Could it possibly be that the philosophies the religion promotes is more important than the belief itself?

It isn't according to religious people themselves. You have to believe or you go to Hell.

What philosophy does Christianity promote? In the gospels all Jesus says is "believe in me". There's some shit about turning the other cheek buried in there as well.

the child sacrifice and moloch worship is thousands of years old. Being easy has nothing to do with it, especially when you're talking about the richest elites throughout history who have always been above the law. If you're rich and powerful as fuck, you won't be enthralled by a basic bitch taboo.

Nigger, if you would sit and listen instead of being an edgy faggot then maybe it would make sense.

Of course ghosts aren't real the dead are at rest as stated in the bible countless times. But who's to say the brain acting the way it does is mutually exclusive from the out of body experience what if that's the brains reaction to the oobe. I have a scar on my big toe from an oobe when pinched by a demon during a case of sleep paralysis so I have physical evidence for myself anecdotal albeit that these are more than mere hallucinations of the mind. Also whoever denied the elite practice occult we have emails between Cheryl mills and Hillary Clinton talking about sacrificing chickens to moloch and in other cases confirming the Minerva rule. Also bohemian grove is such a small well known secret they felt comfortable enough to put it into house of cards.

>i'm Orthodox

Atunci ești cel mai mare creierlet dintre toți, țigan BORât.

But there is the option that the Bible is the actual Truth, not just some construction made up by the clergy to direct society. You seem to totally dismiss this out of hand.

Implying slavery is wrong or immoral

except unlike like spirituality, slavery is not actually a common denominator

this does not invalidate any form of religiosity as a means for delivering a consistent set of traditional values to the people

>Implying slavery is wrong or immoral
>accuses me of being an edgy faggot

You're so low IQ you would be the first to be enslaved.

So my point stands, why do they believe it when atheists don't? What information to atheists have that the elite don't? if the atheists don't have information the elites don't then what information do the elite have that atheists don't?

I'm not saying Catholicism was invented, I mean to say that Catholic leaders study their own religion and make doctrinal changes and squash heresies not only to keep the religion pure, but they also purposefully change the religion to reflect their beliefs on what society should be. There are 140+IQ bishops who are accutely aware of the ramifications of their actions. If you were in their shoes would you resist making a few changes you think could be improvements? Bibilical and historical justification is not difficult.

Nice argument retardo, truly shows your superior brain.
Ma bucur ca-ai plecat.

>ca-ai

Și eu, am lăsat toți înapoiații mintal ca tine în mocirla lor. Succes cu manelele!

>You cant bump your own shit nigger

Also, this is like some freshman level psy 101 shit.
Im surprised you didn't ask why God allows bad things to happen.
>Jesus is the way user's, orthodoxy is the path. You bend to it, it doesnt bend to Man.

Orthdoox study bible is like $40 on amazon.

If it were only about mutually blackmailing each other there would be easier ways to go about it but clearly they believe it is important to go above and beyond to such an extent my question is why? It doesn't benefit them anymore than raping or killing children on camera would if the goal is to mutually blackmail each other and nothing more.

>Uh oh, you attacked his God. Now he'll pray to Bill Bye to give you aids (a scientific.invention)

No thanks I don't need $40 toilet paper.

Yah, I think this kind of stuff happens for two reasons. The lack of faith of those bishops and the fact that the Catholic Church is entangled in politics and worldly affairs.

My friend, then you MUST read the bible and try to understand it. There is sort of a bell curve here:

- Really stupid people believe religion
- Half-smart people are edgy fedora atheists
- Really smart people respect religion

And there are even some extremely smart physicists who, after dismantling the entire reality into mathematical laws, are left extremely religious in order to explain the phenomenon of consciousness (look up Heisenberg). But I don't want to get into that, I just want to you walk away from this understanding relgiion is not nonsense, it's something you can study if you would only relinquish your fedora.

I would say no, that is not an option. RELIGION could be considered the actual truth, but the bible itself is not, and was not meant to be, an actual chronicle of the actual universe. For example I am actually religious myself, but certainly do not take the bible literally.

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