What are the hidden dangers of universal basic income?

Governments are by nature corrupt, wasteful and incompetent. It would cost $2000 to give each citizen $1000.

> If he wants to give some money to really miserable people and create a plan to put those people to work afterwards (like making sure freeloaders actually study and get ready for a real job, apply to jobs every day etc..) then there is no problem to it.
Kek. Get a load of this boomer. Nobody deserves gibs. So cut the crap, if you rob me of my hard earned money to give it to niggers, I want gibs too. UBI is gibs for white people.

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YOU WANT MIRRION DORRAR?
HERE $1000
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UBI means no salary or rampant inflation. Its code for living in a communist shithole.

Who cares ? Get everything you can, it will be less for niggers and mexcrements.

on an unrelated note, what is with all the kiernan shipka posting today? there are at least four threads with her in the op right now.

all you need in life is: food, water, shelter, computer, internet. this is all under 1000 dollars per month. why go to work?

literally none, it's completely safe.

Andrew Yang wants to give you all $1000 and some people STILL hate him. You're mental.

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UBI already exist for minorities.

Haven't you learned faggot? We had it 30 years ago

>why go to work?
too dumb to be of any use because the robots are doing your job for you

Seriously, the only people with any job security right now are the top 20% or so of intelligence, out to say 20-30 years. Beyond then, machines will have become ridiculously good at the jobs most people do. I'm sorry for you dumb cunts who are going to be rendered jobless or struggle more and more to find work in the next few decades.

Employers won't be able to attract workers through the threat of starvation and exposure to the elements.

Fucking over soldiers on disability. They are unable to retire due to injuries and now the small amount they get would mean even less and they would have better off not signing up.

you know that AI can do "creative" tasks and there isn't a single human action that can't be broken down into 1 and 0?

You tell us, you already live under universal basic income, don't you know?

>poor people are destructive degenerates
>chav culture
>giving people money will make them destructive degenerates
>behaviour that would normally be financially prohibitive
Fuckin wat? So you're saying that none of us should have money because money enables destructive and degenerate behavior? Your entire argument is fucking autism

My guy, you might actually be retarded. Because what you just described is literally the symptoms of poverty.

His plan for UBI is to give every legal citizen $1000 a month and that is including government benefits they are already recieving, so no one will be recieving less than $1000 in total, but UBI won't be tacked onto EBT and welfare.

Who is this stick woman with the gigantic head?

IT would increase the price of everything.

Lily Rader.

boredom, people are so used to getting up and going to work they will not know how to manage without the structure?

also schooling, once you can rad and write schooling becomes pointless without work.
why spend two years learning something when no jobs?
I know people say "Learning for its own pleasure." but whats the point without any practicality?

As a soldier on disability, thanks

yea but Jesus will probably come back before then,

it can do creative tasks, but don't get ahead of yourself. To replace 99%+ of jobs is going to take more than 20-30 years. Only when computers can write more advanced intelligences than themselves will we see human input being completely replaced and living in a work-free society (unless the AI goes completely mental)

sounds a lot better than the impression i got before

>Nobody deserves gibs
you can only say that if the state is doing its job, and that is making it sure everyone has a shot once per month on finding a job. we all know this does not happen for a multitude of reasons.

>So you're saying that none of us should have money because money enables destructive and degenerate behavior

Other way around dumb nigger.

He's saying degenerates are forced to control their impulses and degeneration in order to survive. If you remove need of survival from the equation then there's nothing stopping them from being total degenerates.

Muream de foame.

UI could lead to an explosion in the nigger birth rate.

this
its a useless thread that will eventually attract yang posting made by a 90% shill gay OP. we have been over this eternally. they cried and said everyone would be poor without it, as if its a dire necessity, well that didn't happen. now they talk about it like its cute and how come nobody understands it, -ubi omg srsly? they are grasping at straws. dont be controlled by things you don't need.
>"ubi" destroys small businesses.
>ubi instills dependency.
>ubi is a lie.
it is not liberating.
the real problem is the decent Americans, including liberals, who have been stretched beyond their foundations, to be fighting on political grounds that are not solid or based. this is being spread and intensified so that Americans will not notice when we tear our own freedom apart. average people are arguing for changing our country, quickly, and with open disregard for the consequences. please wake up. stay true to who you are even if we "disagree", just so we are not lead by some traitor, or some outsider.
>whats wrong with outsiders, omg!
that is not you. that's not how you used to be.

Commie shilling. Sage.

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>degenerate and decadent lifestyles
>studying islam and popping out babies
user, I...

99.9% of the jobs humans have done historically have already been replaced and yet we are at full employment. nobody is a blacksmith or cooper or ploughman anymore. the idea that automation means humans are longer capable of productive and valuable work is the most disingenuous idea in the ubi debate, even more disingenuous that it wouldn't cause hyperinflation or that they could actually get really wealthy people to pay for it.

Are you obese? Or are you just pretending to have PTSD or something?

Aha.

>inflation
Wrong. You don't know how inflation works. UBI is existing money, not new printed money.
>social fracturing
Literally wat? If people weren't too busy stressing over every last dollar that they needed to pay bills and to eat this month, maybe people would actually hate each other less. And you wouldn't complain about a poor immigrant who came to another country to "steal your job"
>family breakdown
>being able to actually support a child causes family breakdowns...
Wat?
>juvenile delinquency
Do you know why this exists in the first place? And why middle-class children aren't wandering the streets looking to start shit? Because they have money and shit to do. Boredom and poverty is number one cause of crime and anti social behavior.
>government control of livelihood
You mean like the current welfare state? That literally holds your life hostage. UBI is no string attached my dude, that's the point.
>direct popular incentive to raise taxes
On the rich and mega corps maybe. They haven't been paying all their taxes anyway, it's about time they paid their fair share into the country that helped them get there.

Early test runs are certainly promising, but it hasn't been done for an extended period at a significant scale to the best of my knowledge. It would probably just be a better version of welfare, but there are a myriad of things that could go wrong once it's scaled up.

Are you the same dude who was spamming Emma Roberts pics last week? I like your taste

>Fuckin wat? So you're saying that none of us should have money because money enables destructive and degenerate behavior? Your entire argument is fucking autism

This.

All the mudslims in sweden... all the chavs in britain... all the NEETs...

Are they doing what they are doing because they are poor? No, they are not.
They are literally the negative aspects of UBI, because they get welfare that enables them to exist TODAY.

All the terrorists and criminals coming out of sweden, all of them got free housing, free money, free support from the government ... and yet, they end up like that. Why? They didn't need to turn to crime, they didn't need to go join ISIS, they had everything and yet they did these things anyway.

In part it is because welfare enabled them to self-radicalize.

In truth, by providing for these people they are going to strive for the next step in Maslow's needs hierarchy. They don't need to struggle for subsistence, so they begin looking for meaning in their lives. They begin looking for social status, they begin looking for excitement.

So they turn to crime, they turn to religion, they turn to whoring on social media, they turn to all this degenerate and decadent and destructive shit in pursuit of meaning because they don't have to spend their time on a productive task which lets them subsist.

This is the reality. This is a done experiment. The results are in. There WILL be these issues with UBI.

For the record, people can also look for meaning and do productive things, some will inevitably do this, but some will not and UBIfags need to face that fact.

What is this autistic shit?

You realize that they are degenerates because they are poor, right? They have shit jobs, no future, no access to education, how do you expect them to act? Should we not offer them a chance to better themselves and potentially become productive members of society, despite the fact some of them are gonna continue being degenerates?

Why don't you guys just genocide all the poor people if you hate them so much?

Taxation is theft. No one but me deserve my money. UBI is a great idea, I would pay my taxes with it.

>Not wanting the government to steal my money to dole it out to degernates
>must be mental

It is actually a massive economic stimulus program to help a failing China. Everything you buy is Chinese not America. It is also a dusted off Cloward Pivon strategy to quickly end the US dollar. The US dollar is all that is left that makes America exceptional.

>taxation is theft
Most autistic and stupid fucking meme ever, kys

>anarchy flag
>defends UBI

Get a load of this guy.

Y tho?

They are poor because they are degenerate. There are three rules you need to escape poverty: graduate highschool, hold the same job for at least a year, and don't have children outside of marriage. Sure there might be the small group down on their luck that should get some temporary assistance, but certainly not permanent.

based Kiki

>You realize that they are degenerates because they are poor, right?

Again, other way around.

Society offers people in first world countries plenty of chances to escape the circle of poverty. They just don't take them.

There's way more merit in the argument that your parents and companions shape your future than in the argument that your economic status shapes your future.

The way to force parents into moral ways is not subsidizing them but forcing them to work and to be an example for their children.

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>What's the danger of taking "free" money?
It's trap cheese, retard

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The Democratic Party Establishment having total control of the masses - All they have to do is threaten to pull that free money. This is fucking dangerous and will lead to the complete and utter destruction of the United States of America.

Yes exactly. They are doing what they are doing because they are poor and live in shit hole neighborhoods, and those neighborhoods are shit because everyone is poor. Nobody gives a fuck about them and 0 infrastructure investments are made. People are products of their environments, they aren't born this way.
>chavs in britain
Chavs are literally just poor people participating in anti-social behaviour, and believe it or not, there aren't very many of them around anymore. Because kinds have shit to do now. Most people have a computer/console and those kids would rather play fornite than stand around by the corner shop, smoking cigarettes and starting fights because of boredom.
>mudslimes in sweden
>refugees get moved into the poorest neighbourhoods
>country makes the mistake of taking on too many people
>clash with local poor people over cultural differences
Imagine my shock that foreign poor people are just the same as local poor people.

>all the terrorists get free money and housing
I don't know what it's like in Sweden and I don't really care, but I highly doubt terrorists are getting free housing. What the fuck does Swedens problems have to do with the rest of the world? It's completely irrelevant.

>they turn to crime & religion
This is literally the poor peoples coping mechanism.
>they didn't need to join ISIS
Yes religion is fucking terrible and there are cunts who radicalize their followers against non believers. Not all of them are like this. And do you think maybe theres a chance that these people are easily radicalized because they feel like everyone around them treats them like garbage just for being brown? You seem to hate brown people because of a minority that are terrible people, how are you any different?

>This is the reality. This is a done experiment. The results are in. There WILL be these issues with UBI.
Wat? Where? What issues? Where is the study that shows if people have more money they will all become chavs or join ISIS?

Give the UBI to people that are employed. Make the worthless eaters get their shit together and find a job.

It is over.

Show your flag, cunt.

>not 'dorra'
trash

>dorra
you racist piece of shit

The biggest 'danger' is the most obvious one, that it is a massive misallocation of resources. The government would be taking potentially trillions of dollars annually from individuals who have been voluntarily given money, with that money then redistributed to every citizen.

>Inflation
Certainly, but prices would increase. Price is the only way to manage supply and demand. When you give everyone a significant sum, the demand for all goods would go up.
>Social fracture
Yes it would because you'd be paying people to become a citizen of your country. We'd become a Sweden 2.0 with a bunch of niggers doing nothing but raping while still collecting NEET bux
>Family breakdown
Single motherhood is a problem not because they're poor, but because they're fucking retarded, and why stick around if Daddy yang is just going to pay your child anyway?
>Juvenile delinquency
Because they have low IQ parents and are low IQ themselves. Low IQ is in fact the number 1 predictor of criminality and poverty.
>It's a VAT tax you fucktard everything will be taxed to hell

Ayy lmao.

Everybody’s fucking poor because everyone’s had 40% of their income taxed away. Those benefitting the “universal income” have no incentive to work, because muh gibs (example: niggers). Those who still work are poor because they bear the burden of niggardry. America under Yang would be like Detroit, but nationwide.

>What the fuck does Swedens problems have to do with the rest of the world? It's completely irrelevant.

Yeah, how dares he use one of the most generous welfare systems in the world as an example of how little it actually accomplishes in terms of lifting people out of poverty and degeneracy...

I live in a literal welfare state, where healthcare is accessible to all, where if you have nothing, the government will give you everything, a nice house and a paycheck, there's services that will help you find a job and if your area is a ghetto the government will spend untold millions attempting to better the conditions in your community, all education is free. and yet from these areas crime persists. It's in fact getting worse.

There is no "oh poor them" excuse. In short, UBI is already "a thing" and it's not paradise.

Every norwegian could drop whatever it is they are doing and live off the state in theory... but the "culture" prevents them from doing this. They don't want to do this. It's a point of shame to ask for a hand-out. This is not the case for immigrants.

For them, the safety net is hammock which immediately lets them pursue "self-actualization" in whatever manner they wish, even if that manner is destructive and they'd starve to death if not for the welfare state, or "UBI". For some this self-actualization might mean starting a business, for some it means selling weed, kidnappings, starting gangs and beating up other gangs etc. or for some it mean studying their holy book and going to the mosque 5 times a day in order to attain the respect of their peers.

So when others in these areas who are looking for meaning and status in their own lives see those around them being devout muslims or driving fancy cars and flashing cash from crime and leading gangs being top dog... they want in on that, fuck being a cashier, fuck getting an education, they don't need that, they get free money from the state.

It's not about the money, it's ALL about their drive for social status which is NOT being satisfied by UBI or handouts. Your point about chavs and vidya games just strengthens my argument. Sitting in a room all day playing vidya is not productive, but you will get thousands if not millions who will do just that and nothing else.

>society in first world gives plenty of chances to escape poverty
How exactly?
>your parents and companions shape your future than economic status
Those things are not mutually exclusive. Everyone is literally shaped by their economic status.
>forcing them to work and be examples for children
How is that going btw? Where are all those inspiring jobs that they are being forced to take? How are you gonna force people to work jobs that don't exist or won't hire them?

>three rules to not be degenerate
>made up by a jew who was born with a silver spoon up his ass
Nice meme.
>poor because degenerate
People aren't born degenerate. They will adopt the values of those around them. If they don't know anything else, this is what they will be. It's not that fucking hard to understand.

>graduate highschool
Have you ever lived in a poor neighborhood or seen their schools? They are severely understaffed, underfunded and nobody gives a shit.
>hold the same job for a year
How? If nobody is offering you a job in the first place...What are you suppose to do if people like you will see Jamal or Abdul on their application form and throw it in the trash in favor of someone more "appropriate". Also, what fucking jobs? Have you been to a poor state before? Do you see factories or other low skilled labor jobs just popping up left n right?
>don't have kids outside of marriage
>don't get taught about safe sex or the consequences
>don't have easy access to contraception
>get pregnant
>can't afford that shit
>daddy goes out for some milk
>mother can't afford an abortion because the US medical system is fucking aids
>stuck supporting a child on your own
>can't work because nobody to look after the child
>cycle repeats

So I'm using muslims as an example because they're the worst offenders, but the problem applies generally regardless of race:

Chav culture comes from people living in free state housing, getting a free hand-out, but they fail climbing the social hierarchy of society so they create their own destructive substitute hierarchy where being trashy on social media or beating up people or stealing shit is the way to status and fame.

For others, they just give up on society and will do nothing to make themselves a part of it. They're the NEETs. They'll lock themselves in a room, get their UBI paycheck and do nothing but play video games all day and contribute nothing to society, deteriorating their mental state indefinitely. This has happened and it will happen.

>inflation
Our current money supply will be reduced sufficiently enough to necessitate the printing of either more currency or it will force the FReserve to issue more electronically which enable more fractional banking and ergo more inflation

This is simple definitions combined with Econ 101

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>Cuck detected.
If you enjoy feeding niggers and spics, good for you, but it's not my thing.

Finally, it is obvious to me that UBI can work ONLY if you recognize that a proportion of people will respond to UBI in this destructive and decadent way and that in a worst case scenario, this can spread.

Therefore the OBVIOUSLY CORRECT SOLUTION to the problem is to give people what they really wanted:
A way to climb the social hierarchy in a form that is productive and contributive to society. Then use the money you would have given away for nothing to instead pay rewards for doing this work.

Demand that they learn a skill and then give them a job that applies that skill in order to give them purpose and to give them something to spend their time on. Be it planting trees, building roads, building houses or whatever.

IMO, if you're gonna tax people so much that you can pay them UBI anyway, then the state needs to take care of excess unemployment like this because it prevents emergence of cancerous parallell cultures and actually does something productive for society.

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1. white people get less because muh reparations

2. males get less because "fight sexism"

3. heterosexuals and cis-genders get less because you know why

4. People born in the country get less because "muh immigrants." If you are a white straight cis-gender male immigrant you still get jack squat.

5. White straight cis-gender males get no welfare and no help from affirmative action. All other groups can get welfare and get help from affirmative action.

There is only one reason to support UBI: if you receive any UBI, you can't vote for the next 12 months. Also felons can't vote and neither can non-citizens.

Niggle me this?

In my town niggers live In the ghetto and pay 500/ month for a 1 bed room. The area is full of crime, pitbulls bark all night, and Mexicans play mariachi music till 4am.

I own an appartment complex on nice side of town. I rent my one bedrooms for 1000/month. There is no trash, loud music past 10pm, crime or problems in my complex.

UBI becomes a thing. Now all Americans get an extra 1 k a month.

Next thing you know it a bunch of savage nigs start coming to my complex looking at open units along with the typical middle / upper class Humans.

I am not a fool and don’t want niggers living in my complex. They cause problems and decrease the standard of living. So what do I do?

I increase rent to 2k a month and guess what happens. Pavement apes no longer are interested in my apartments.

Explain to me why this Would not happen in real life ?

He is proposing UBI through taxation so you don't need more money.

But even ignoring the massive problems that could result from those taxes, it still leads to inflation, from decreased production of people quitting jobs to become UBI neets, and from the higher velocity of money

Besides, inflation isn't inherently bad either, only a lot of it is.

>thinks basic definitions of words like taxation is a meme because he's so ingrained that he should be taxed.
You're one of those guys who'd die if we unplugged you from your nigger-jizz matrix.

Unlike you, I actually have the power to hire/fire people.
>Be me
>Hire Halid
>Really fucking dumb
>Calls out all the time
>wants to leave early every shift
>Fire him
It's not about people not getting a chance it's about people blowing their chance because they want to get paid and do fuck all.
Degeneracy is in their DNA.
If you can't afford a fucking condom you shouldn't be having sex, stop defending a bunch of wastes

Look up mouse utopia experiment.

>imagine using a single country with cultural issues because they mismanaged their refugee intake to somehow prove that a completely unrelated financial system in a completely different country will not work
>what is a non sequitur
>what is a strawman

>price will increase
The fed controls inflation rate, also extremely low inflation rate is bad for economy because that means that demand is low. People having more money will increase demand for more luxurious things, which will boost the economy and drive GDP. More people have more money that they spend is a good thing. Speaking of supply and demand, the US demand is pretty fucking low and has been in decline since the financial crash, even though the economy has mostly "recovered". US growth has been stagnating for decades and nobody wants to spend any money out of fear for another recession.

Ever heard of Alaska? They had a form of UBI and somehow their inflation actually went down, while also increasing their GDP. And nobody quit their jobs. Kuwait gave their citizen 4000$ and the same thing happened. People even started up more businesses which stimulates economic growth. Strange huh?

>paying people to become citizen
US is one of the hardest countries in the world to obtain citizenship... The illegals don't have access to any of your services btw.
>if we do a thing
>we'll all become Sweden 2.0
Yeh, lets just not do anything, never progress, never try new things, because of some tiny country in the frozen tundra who's issues have nothing to do with ours.
>not because poor but because retarded
Woah. Nice argument dude. It's all in the genes. Lets just gas the poor okay?
>why stick around
Sure, this will still happen but that woman who got ditched now actually has money to either afford an abortion, to take care of her kid and send them to a decent school...
>IQ
Yeh, lets just gas the poor.
>VAT
You get free money and you complain about a few % tax increase on goods?