Is this legit? desu haven't read the book or watched the documentary I recently stumbled upon it and would like to hear a second thought.
>Was Jesus the invention of a Roman emperor? The author of this ground-breaking book believes he was. Caesar's Messiah reveals the key to a new and revolutionary understanding of the origin of Christianity, explaining what is the New Testament, who is the real Jesus, and how Christ's second coming already occurred.
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>The clues leading to these startling conclusions are found in the writings of the first-century historian Flavius Josephus, whose Wars of the Jews is one of the only historical chronicles of this period. Closely comparing the work of Josephus with the New Testament Gospels, Caesar's Messiah demonstrates that the Romans directed the writing of both. Their purpose: to offer a vision of a "peaceful Messiah" who would serve as an alternative to the revolutionary leaders who were rocking first-century Israel and threatening Rome.
>Similarly, Caesar's Messiah will rock our understanding of Christian history as it reveals that Jesus was a fictional character portrayed in four Gospels written not by Christians but Romans. This Flavian Signature edition adds Atwill's latest discoveries of numerous parallel events in sequence which ultimately reveal the identity of the true authors of the Gospels.
so what is your verdict Jow Forums?
No, it was ancient jew propaganda.
why?
All the apostles except for 1 were tortured and murdered yet none of them recanted their belief in Christ. If they didn't believe in the gospel they were spreading, if some of them didn't even write what they claimed they wrote, then why would they do that?
FUCK YOU ROME
It was to suppress the gentiles. No ethnic religions means no ethnic identities, means easier control over the people. I assume they also hoped that the Jews would convert as well, but then the Jews were given all sorts of rights and privileges awarded to no one else after 395.
Che Guevara did not talk after being tortured nor did he shake his belief in communism until he was killed. Also you are assuming everything written is 100% true, which means it is not possible to argue with you.
>they were illiterate therefore it was divinely inspired
Literally claimed by nearly everyone else, including Homer and Muhammad.
user there has been lots of people who got tortured for their beliefs and refused to give it up.
that doesn't make their beliefs as true
calm your cunt you impudent woman
*steals your culture and imperial ambitions
but why did so many gentiles convert what was the appeasement of it? Why abandon beliefs of your ancestors and lead astray
in our case it was forced
No
yea most being christian protestants
This is retarded because the theology of Early christians undermines the legtimacy of both roman and sanhedrin rule. So much so that both groups spent the first 300 years of christianity's existence trying to annihilate it
>romans looking for a peaceful "revolutionary" leader to pacify one of their rowdy minorities and put ethnic romans at ease
in other words Jesus was the 1st century MLK
how?
I can find plenty of terrorists who were tortured refuse to give up their beliefs
>Was Christianity a form of propaganda created by Romans to suppress the revolutionary jews?
Is that why the Romans tried to murder Christians for centuries?
>how?
Deals ($) and by the sword if needed .
lol
this fucking meme it's a drill in the brain
>tortured for beliefs therefore it's true
not convincing enough my dear user
Jesus demanded his followers fight pagan systems like Rome through preaching and changing the culture. His views were so incompatible with Rome that Christians were executed rather than submit to rome's claims of that imperial system. You are mistaking non-violence with complacency
I think there is no doubt many had its hand in the shaping of Christianity, but by the same token, it wasn’t ultimately designed by any one hand. I think that in perspective, Christianity is atheistic comparative to everything else going on in that period and generally epistemologicallly freeing of prevailing shadowy convictions, like alchemy.
It’s totally legit. There’s never been any proof Jesus was a real person. He was a character invented by the Flavius family and inserted into history for the purpose of quelling the rebellion in Judea. People with functioning brains have long known this.
maybe it was propaganda gone bad their mistake was to persecute them it stimulated Streisand effect
>by the sword if needed .
Is there evidence that you can prove your point my dear user?
>terrorists who were tortured refuse to give up their beliefs
propaganda
and we dont set people on fire feed people to animals boil them in oil or you might have heard of this one ''the hot seat''
Why are you up so early, Richard?
during inquisition it was done and many witches refused to give up their heresies. So, are you saying that heretics were on the right?
>purpose of quelling the rebellion in Judea.
it started many rebellions after the kikes started looking for fake messiahs to save them from the romans
can't sleep with this thought in my mind
id say Catholics are and where a bunch lying faggots who would call a protestant a witch just to burn them
and what are you user?
a Christian that reads the king james bible
>Is this legit?
it checks out, Romans invent jews to take the blame for usury and then they invent muslims to prevent you from removing usury
except it wasn't and the Vatican found St Paul's bones
>Che Guevara did not talk after being tortured nor did he shake his belief in communism until he was killed. Also you are assuming everything written is 100% true, which means it is not possible to argue with you.
He had no reason to assume there was anything wrong with communism. Dying for a lie you believe to be true happens often. Dying for a lie you KNOW is a lie does not. The apostles were in a position to know.
and no.
these sorts of speculative texts are a dime a dozen, make one citation, then run clear off the farm with bullshit.
Meanwhile there is nothing in ancient history contemporary to the biblical texts in both documents, and archaeology, be in quality, or quantity.
If you call the Bible into question, you basically have to throw out most all of history, because there is nothing +/- hundreds of years that is better documented than the life death, and apparent resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.
You would be right to state that this doesn't mean it is true, and also that the case is not rock solid. This IS ancient history. The contention is rather than the case is built on such an embarrassment of riches that it boggles the mind anyone could doubt it and in the same breath claim to buy whole sale literally any other account of history maybe 1000+ years past.
>Meanwhile there is nothing *comparable* in ancient history
fixed for clarity
completed overstated by christian propagandists
this
Nah, sounds like BS.
The Romans didn't need to go through all this shit to supress a kike revolution.
They had already sorted the merchants out.
God bless
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It's not the Jews. It is the children of Pharez and it is those of the children of Pharez, who actually rejected the Messiah.
YShW' HmshYch
Those children of Pharez;
Who substituted OUR lion, with the star of Moloch and Remphant.
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1 מי האמין לשמעתנו וזרוע יהוה על־מי נגלתה׃
2 ויעל כיונק לפניו וכשרש מארץ ציה לא־תאר לו ולא הדר ונראהו ולא־ מראה ונחמדהו׃
3 נבזה וחדל אישים איש מכאבות וידוע חלי וכמסתר פנים ממנו נבזה ולא חשבנהו׃
4 אכן חלינו הוא נשא ומכאבינו סבלם ואנחנו חשבנהו נגוע מכה אלהים ומענה׃
5 והוא מחלל מפשענו מדכא מעונתינו מוסר שלומנו עליו ובחברתו נרפא־ לנו׃
6 כלנו כצאן תעינו איש לדרכו פנינו ויהוה הפגיע בו את עון כלנו׃
7 נגש והוא נענה ולא יפתח־פיו כשה לטבח יובל וכרחל לפני גזזיה נאלמה ולא יפתח פיו׃
8 מעצר וממשפט לקח ואת־דורו מי ישוחח כי נגזר מארץ חיים מפשע עמי נגע למו׃
9 ויתן את־רשעים קברו ואת־עשיר במתיו על לא־חמס עשה ולא מרמה בפיו׃
10 ויהוה חפץ דכאו החלי אם־תשים אשם נפשו יראה זרע יאריך ימים וחפץ יהוה בידו יצלח׃
11 מעמל נפשו יראה ישבע בדעתו יצדיק צדיק עבדי לרבים ועונתם הוא יסבל׃
12 לכן אחלק־לו ברבים ואת־עצומים יחלק שלל תחת אשר הערה למות נפשו ואת־פשעים נמנה והוא חטא־רבים נשא ולפשעים יפגיע׃
Caesar got his infamy by taking over the papacy.
>Flavians invented an already growing religion to suppress Jews that could easily be killed
Why do people believe this?