Ok, give me the low down on meat. I'm not shilling anything, just want to know your experiences. Here's what I've read: >Meat gives you cancer >Meat increases heart disease >Meat gives you diabetes >Meat eaters have a lower life expectancy >Meat eaters have a high BMI >Meat can have animal hormones >Meat can make you resistant to antibiotics
I went vegetarian / semi vegan, for a year (I couldn't live without some diary like cheese, as vegan cheese tastes like a sweaty fedora a cat has pissed on). Anyway felt great, lost over 40lb, I lift hard and run, and had more energy and a better mental well being. However I noticed I lost muscle mass, and wasn't as strong, lost 30kg on my 1RM bench, although on the other hand, I did a new PB for 3mile. So, then I decided to switch back to meat eating and a normal diet. Subsequently I put on 40lb again, although I'm stronger now and can lift more again, my running times are slower ( as you might expect), and I feel generally awful.
I'm now honestly thinking about switching back to vegetarian / semi vegan permanently.
The WHO and other cancer organisations say meat is cancerous? Is this true or are they saying it because the world cannot sustain meat production (or perhaps both?)
>probably causes cancer What sort of a scientific conclusion is this?
Josiah Lopez
I dunno. Just what they are saying. I was wondering if anyone had ever been told by a doc, hey you've got cancer, because you've been eating too many bacon sandwiches?
Mason Nguyen
What meat do you eat?
Austin Bell
All the usually stuff, although I try to avoid the processed shit and NEVER eat McDonalds.
Anthony King
Well, considering that the modern diet is about 70-80% vegetarian anyway and people still get cancer, I wouldn't say meat in itself is the problem. Processed meat is of course bad for you, but dont you think the vegetables and fruits sprayed with pesticides and other chemicals are equally as harmful as processed meat?
Gabriel Campbell
e.g., Steve Jobs died from cancer while being a vegan. Luke Perry died recently from colon cancer; also vegan.
Eli Wood
>but dont you think the vegetables and fruits sprayed with pesticides and other chemicals are equally as harmful as processed meat?
That's a good point. But can't you wash that off? I can't see how a potato can ever be as bad as a steak (although the steak is much nicer).
James Allen
>e.g., Steve Jobs died from cancer while being a vegan. Luke Perry died recently from colon cancer; also vegan. Nice good to know. Did they say what caused it?
Wyatt Wilson
>Did they say what caused it? Nigga, if it was that simple then we'd know a lot more about cancer than we currently do. Certain things definitely seem to lead to cancer, but it's not as simple as saying one thing directly caused any one type.
Brayden Johnson
It seems hard to find the truth. But Robin Gibb of the Bee Gees got colon cancer at 62 and he was a hardcore Vegan. Also found this (half of it is behind a paywall)
Well, Steve Jobs actually went FRUITARIAN after being diagnosed with cancer, didn't help. Luke Perry went vegan before being diagnosed with cancer, sti ended up dying from it.
Joshua Stewart
What is so bad about a steak?
Daniel Bennett
vegetarian with fish is master race
Jaxon Moore
The only studies I've read about diet that doesn't lead to cancer is starvation / long term fasting.
I wasn't implying or thinking you can reverse cancer with diet. That's a really stupid suggestion.
Mason Bell
>vegetarian with fish is master race Apparently they say fish contain traces of mercury user. Long term eating is bad.
Hunter Watson
>What is so bad about a steak? Nothing it tastes great. But what about the hormones they pump the animal with and the reports from organisations saying red meat is bad?
Oliver Jenkins
Not sure why people feel bad when they eat meat. Maybe it's your metabolism. When I eat red meat for instance, in this case a med rare ribeye, I feel fantastic. Its filled with minerals like iron, and my body gets high off of it. Otherwise, take protein for example, chicken is quite literally a perfect protein. Organic if course.
Blake Thomas
Im willing to bet my ballsack that its a meme pushed by the meat industry. Samoans and other pacific islanders lived on nothing but fish and fruits for thousands of years and they have better bone density than caucasian. However I believe that you gotta eat different kinds of fish, if you eat salmon every day you will get fucked up sooner or later.
Lincoln Ward
Reports from organisations. Have you read the reports or just take it at face value? Have you done any research regarding nutritional value and vitamins between meat and vegetables. Regarding hormones: yes, they're bad for you, but that doesn't mean you need to do eating meat completely. You can buy grass-fed meat, stop buying at a supermarket or even better, buy straight from a farmer. There's plenty of farms where you can make orders for meat etc.
Andrew Nguyen
A lack of autophagia. Turns out starving's good for you and easy to maintain once you're off the carb-jew. Instead Steve Jobs turned 360 degrees and walked straight into the cause of the cancer: excess carbs. By taking on a fruit diet he pounded on the fructose which kept feeding the cancer.
Benjamin Adams
This is what I'm getting at. All Somoans I've met are absolute units. It's important that we understand the stuff we eat and how it affects us. Did people in ancient civilizations in Mesopotamia die of cancer or just drop at 30?
Ryder Jackson
They neglect to mention that modern cooking devices like teflon pots degrade with use. Guess where that teflon ends up.
Wyatt Hall
>Reports from organisations. Have you read the reports or just take it at face value? Have you done any research regarding nutritional value and vitamins between meat and vegetables.
Here's the pubMed latest studies into Meat consumption. It's fucked up reading.
>Instead Steve Jobs turned 360 degrees and walked straight into the cause of the cancer: excess carbs. He didn't have the body of a man eating excess carbs though?
Jace Ramirez
I've remember someone else saying teflon is bad. I'll have to look that up.
Jace Phillips
Some take it well. Others don't. Has to do with blood-type according to some meme dieticians. Either case, you can stay skinny by eating few calories, but when your diet at for example 1200kcal a day is still 70% carbs you're fueling a premature death.
Actually, when I eat meat and only meat, like a juicy steak, yeah, I feel good too. If I combined that with mash or something else, I feel bad.
Jaxon Wood
What do you think of seasonal eating? Meat in the winter. Veggies /vegan in the summer? Is this what our ancestors would have done?
Connor Turner
the plastic packaging is much more harmful.
Carson Rogers
I read somewhere thar fructose feeds cancer cells really well. makes them grow much faster >Research just published in the journal Cancer Research shows that the way the different sugars are metabolized (using different metabolic pathways) is of MAJOR consequence when it comes to feeding cancer and making it proliferate. not sure how viable the source is, research more yourself.
Oliver Cooper
Yeah, let's go to back to our grain dominant slave diet.
steve jobs also ate a fruitarian diet closer to his death afaik, and refused conventional treatment
Ryder Torres
Eat meat, drink milk t. dutch manmore
Zachary Reyes
Some cancers also thrive on fat, so it's a more complex issue.
Lincoln Lewis
>I read somewhere thar fructose feeds cancer cells really well. makes them grow much faster Just read the complete opposite to that here But Cornell University Dr Brenna, Kothapalii et al suggest they've found evidence of vegetarian diet permanently shaping human genome to change individual risk of cancer, heart disease >sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/03/160329184939.htm
This doesn't appear to be in any journal though -unless I'm mistaken?
Jonathan Bell
Imagine if pol went vegetarian
Cheese and dairy cause a whole host of skin problems including acne
also doctors advise asthmatics to give up dairy because it congests the lungs
OP did you supplement with protein powders such as Hemp Seed and did you continue to consume healthy fats?
Omega 3,6,9 oil HIGHLY recommended
Michael White
>steve jobs also ate a fruitarian diet closer to his death afaik, and refused conventional treatment Don't think that counts for anything, other than wishing thinking.
Colton Wood
UN homo
Liam James
This chart doesn't factor in calorie consumption at all. USA eats more calories, hence why life expectancy is lower.
Alexander Cox
The thing with these studies is that they always fail to define what sort of meat they're testing. Everybody knows that processed meat is not good for you. It's filled with chemicals that a human would've never consumed in the past. What do they mean when they say "red meat"? Do they mean standard red meat you buy in a supermarket, that has been on the shelf, covered in a plastic wrapping, for 10 days? Do they mean red meat straight from a butcher's? Are they talking about grain-fed red meat or grass-fed red meat? Animals like cows and sheep shouldn't be eating grains, like the majority of them are eating nowadays. Perhaps that is the cause of meat being suddenly unhealthy for humans? If you eat meat from a diseased animal, you're probably going to get sick as well.
Noah Davis
There's a correllation between height & protein? Who is the top outlier there, I can't quite see it, even zoomed maximum. >ISL?
Luis Parker
Meat tastes like murder and murder is pretty god damned good.
Adam Martin
Sugar is probably way worse for you. Like with most things: Moderation
Eli Mitchell
No, when I went semi vegan, I just ate mostly plant based, the only diary I had was cheese.
James Thomas
you'll always have fat in your body, because you store energy that way, but you can get rid of carbs and sugar entirely.
Carson Ross
we're omnivores. cheap source of fat and protein. good shit for hormones and blood.
I lose blood from my colon every day, so I don't really have a choice in the matter. can't take iron pills either.
>What do they mean when they say "red meat"? > Do they mean red meat straight from a butcher's? You know it all comes on huge pallets from the same places, usually the cheaper stuff comes from South America.
Landon Perez
>I lose blood from my colon every day, Why??
Angel Robinson
I know of many vegan weightlifters and imagine they supplement with protein such as hemp - which is the best protein out there.
You can bathe in Spirulina and Wheatgrass and double your red blood cell count in 30 minutes
Spinach full of iron
Leo Martin
Outliers are the yugoslavians for example, but those people are genetic freaks when it comes to height. Many others like the Dutch had huge height gains because of increase of animal protein.
You will also have glucose in your body even in the absence of exogenous glucose through GNG
Cheap, diseased, stale red meat imported from fuck knows where is bad for you. You don't even need studies for this shit. Go to you local butcher's shop and get yourself a nice, grass-fed, red rib-eye steak mate.
Samuel Barnes
Yes, people got cancer back before modern medicine made a scene. They couldn't diagnose it like we can today. It was just another thing to die of if you lost the health lottery in your adult life.
I'd say for most you could easily live into your fifties or sixties in antiquity, but life expectancy was lowered because babies and children died a lot back then.
Dominic Russell
>But can't you wash that off? not really, also the bad part is those pesticides end up[ in the soil, which the plants then absorb and keep in themselves, and unlike animals that have a way to get rid of toxins plant don't really have one
Nathaniel Robinson
First things first, I'm an actual scientist and you need to be extremely careful with headline articles that say shit like "x causes cancer risk". There was an article recently which said bacon caused rates of cancer to increase 6fold. However, they were assuming the consumption of 4 rashers per day (who eats that much), and the rate increase was 1/m to 6/m. This is still a very very low cancer rate.
Secondly, a proper diet will always be best rather than faddy vegan or carnivore diets. Humans are omnivores, surely you can see there's a middle ground between your two situations - eat red meat twice a week, chicken/pork twice a week, fish four times a week and fill the rest of your meals out with vegetables.
Lincoln Long
Jobs was actually a retard, and got into eastern mumbo jumbo, when literally any doctor could've told him, that once you get cancer, that nasty motherfucker feeds of glucose, eating fruits all the time was probably feeding the cancer more than him
Brayden Sanders
ulcers
sadly spinach isn't the easiest thing to find in markets here. you have to go to the huge American-sized ones like Auchan, or expensive Western-style health-food stores.
that said, I really do need my red blood cells, so I'll have to start doing that.
Aaron White
not only that, but most fish also have a shitton of micro plastics, which I'm sure you can guess why
Alexander Howard
I try to eat smaller fishes. less buildup in the foodchain.
Jason Williams
You mean vegetarian? Vagan is for fags.
Ryder Brooks
keep in mind these studies are mostly BS, there so many factors to control for to have anything even resembling definitive proof that we probably won't have one for a long time
Grayson Anderson
good idea
Leo Robinson
Regular dosage resulted in increased Hb levels, increased interval between blood transfusions, and decreased amount of blood transfused. ... Animals with low red blood cell counts, when given wheatgrass, had a healthy blood count level within five days.30 Nov 2011 Living life the natural way – Wheatgrass and ... - Functional Food Center functionalfoodscenter.net/files/49461571.pdf
Ryder Martin
You're using old and fake/crap Harvard epidemiological data.
Crap food high in fast carbs can do all those things. i.e. the problem is food quality, not meat.
If you go vegan, you may last 5, 10 years before the degeneration becomes too much.
Brandon Lopez
I've been on the keto diet for about 6 months, I've lost 55 pounds and bow I'm starting to put some of it back on in muscle. I was 230 pounds, 5'9". Now I'm 175, and in the best shape of my life. My energy levels are more consistent than they have ever been. I eat a ribeye or strip steak for lunch almost every single day. My cholesterol is at much more acceptable levels. It's not about meat, it's about all the crap you eat with the meat. Protein and fat are good, sugar is bad.
Harvard have an AMAAZING lecture from two years ago
let me find itt for you
Lucas Walker
>why is life expectency lower? The Sackler family has studies on that I bet.
Alexander Green
Where i come from, my people used and use to eat a lot of meat and animal fat with of course other stuff but the main dishes are made out of meat and fat. They live and lived very old and very strong with little or none existent disease or health complications I don't think you can just simply say it's a one factor equation and say all the problems come from meat consumption, it's a shallow and unfunded statement. youtube.com/watch?v=isIw2AN_-XU youtube.com/watch?v=ZwZ-SytjmBU youtube.com/watch?v=e1wy2NeItQQ From personal experience, meat gets me working since i'm on a very low carb diet i get my nutriments from meat and animal fat and i have to say, i've never felt so good in my life, better at studying, sport, discipline and mood. Just wanted to say, don't generalise cuz most of the studies done on the subject are bogus and don't take in account other factors like nutriment defficienty, activity, sleep, diets, carb consumption, etc etc
Christopher Ortiz
Nice charts do you have a source for it? yes there's a huge difference between organic grass fed and grain, (also on the wallet). I wonder how bad the grain fed antibiotic meat actually is in comparison?
>Yes, people got cancer back before modern medicine made a scene. It's a hard comparison with modern diets verses ancient diet as people by life span as people would have died of natural diseases.
>not really, also the bad part is those pesticides end up[ in the soi Once it's in the soil it stays in the soil permanently?
>Secondly, a proper diet will always be best rather than faddy vegan or carnivore diets Then why is it people, seem to feel 'better' when they consumer either one of the other? Is there anything to the anecdotal experiences? I know myself, as bullshit a marker, it is felt better without meat.
Sorry to hear that man.
>You mean vegetarian? Vagan is for fags. No I mean, the only animal product I ate was cheese and honey if I think about it now.
>keep in mind these studies are mostly BS pubMed seems to be a decent journal -it's not like some shitty sociology journal for 17th Century Belgian lesbian studies.
>If you go vegan, you may last 5, 10 years before the degeneration becomes too much. No way, I couldn't go that long without meat. By the 6month say I was craving tendies or a burger almost daily.
Kayden Baker
I don't want to live a life without meat so you can just take that graph and smoke it, cyprus hill
he calls Harvard crap so your first thought is to find him a Harvard lecture?
Benjamin Kelly
Do you eat meat daily?
Adrian Murphy
ok insane in the membrane. wasn't telling you do do that either.
Dominic Taylor
Yes because it's the best lecture I have seen on nutrition
Angel Rodriguez
fuck off with your data harvesting memeflag
Jaxson Harris
O genki desu ka?
Adam Fisher
You do speak Japanese...
Don't you?
Kevin Collins
>Once it's in the soil it stays in the soil permanently? come tf on, are you 10? I wrote "the plants then absorb it" you know, like they absorb water you fucking nigger >pubMed seems to be a decent journal -it's not like some shitty sociology journal for 17th Century Belgian lesbian studies. you completely missed the point
David Baker
The NSA should try and be polite before I boof their heads
Josiah King
In general, the consensus is mostly manufactured.
>What
For the effects of meat consumption, you're looking exclusively at humans. Likewise, you're also looking at humans over the course of their lives in line with other factors you can't control for.
What you'll quickly find is that people that adopt vegetarian diets in the first place are typically more concerned with their health. Thus, they'll typically have lower BMIs, and higher expectancy. Likewise, meat consumption is higher in the developed world which is also where people will regularly live long enough to actually get cancer, heart disease, etc.
My genuine uneducated opinion at this point is that meat is probably not particularly carcinogenic to the point where you should exclude it from diet. Most of the benefits from not eating meat that we're observing are much more likely to be inline with benefits from lower BMIs and generally healthier diets in terms of quality inputs.
What will be a very interesting thing is when we have more data coming out of India where you have that weird combination of vegetarian+really shitty diets; y'know, the people who have figured out how to get morbidly obese eating nothing but plants and dairy.
>Then why is it people, seem to feel 'better' when they consumer either one of the other? Because they're thinking about their diet. Even eating the wrong things in a measured way will make you feel better. If you're not thinking about what you eat, invariably you will eat junk and feel the effects of that.
Julian Sullivan
can you niggers even read? If he thinks Harvard is shit, do you really think he'll give two shits about what you think their best lecture is?
Jacob Long
What carbs do you eat then?
>I've been on the keto diet for about 6 months, What's that like? Can you not just go and eat out at a restaurant if it throws your keto?
Liam Thomas
>triple replies look at it recoil "I've been found out!"
Colton Murphy
Reem wahl Zap
UberMensch = Yiddish
Joseph Long
I am Jewish though 95% Irish
Henry Fisher
No, I saying when they spray the chemicals on field, surely it must remain in the soil too? So the next cycle will already have traces of the pesticide? Isn't this why some critters become resistant to it?
John Hernandez
>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2846864/ >Research spanning three decades supports the argument that grass-fed beef (on a g/g fat basis), has a more desirable SFA lipid profile (more C18:0 cholesterol neutral SFA and less C14:0 & C16:0 cholesterol elevating SFAs) as compared to grain-fed beef. >Grass-fed beef is also higher in precursors for Vitamin A and E and cancer fighting antioxidants such as GT and SOD activity as compared to grain-fed contemporaries. >Grass-fed beef tends to be lower in overall fat content, an important consideration for those consumers interested in decreasing overall fat consumption. Because of these differences in FA content, grass-fed beef also possesses a distinct grass flavor and unique cooking qualities that should be considered when making the transition from grain-fed beef. To maximize the favorable lipid profile and to guarantee the elevated antioxidant content, animals should be finished on 100% grass or pasture-based diets.
>For the effects of meat consumption, you're looking exclusively at humans My cat never has a problem with only eating meat.
So you're saying it's placebo subjective experience? What weight do you put into the idea that we each have different dietry needs; in as much as someone is allergic to nuts, perhaps somebody else doesn't do well eating meat? Or is that a false comparison? Also what do you think about seasonal eating i.e meat only for winter?
Lucas Green
yeah sure, and some do, at the same time we don't an still eat that up, not to mention how many bees die off, and how bad it is for the fungi in the soil
Gavin Flores
>Be Luke Perry and Robin Gibb >Go vegan >Die
Is it that simple? They were both really young to die.
