If automation continues to reduce jobs where will people get money to buy products and services from?

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technology automates jobs away but also creates new jobs, and it tends to create more than it destroys

the invention of airplanes has made most kinds of naval travel obsolete, but it created jobs in airports and pilots and stewardesses

"muh automation" is the lefts next global warming meme, used to scare stupid young people into making legislative changes that expand the control of the state

dont fall for it

no idea. for what it's worth they can starve. if robots (I program) can produce shit I need what do I need those useless bio bags for? I mean all they do is watch shitty tv and seethe and rreee about "pay your fair share". fuck them. dumb poor people should be left to starve. there's nothing wrong with a world with only 100 million people and a bunch of robo wokers doing all the manual work.

gas the ultralights plane war now

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We are suppose to relish in automations wealth and spend less time working and more time living. Capitalists won't have this, they will capitalize automation if it's the last thing they do. We have two options: A) participate as a society and utilize automation for UBI as a band-aid solution to capitalism's inevitible collapse, or B) kill the capitalists end wars and intelleculatal property law and bring back anarchy and peace to the countries. The ladder won't happen, at least not yet. Any other option is a bootlicking cuck move from a propaganda victim.

great so we'll just execute losers like you when AI can program instead

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UBI is slavery

>UBI is slavery

What alternatives do you propose?

There will be a revolt against automation. Like what happened in the 18th century but this time it will be bigger and more violent. If corporations and the government think that people are going to feel fulfilled and happy without a job and just consuming and painting and studying philosophy then they don't know what is the nature of human beings. Certainly the generations that will suffer the transition would be the dangerous ones. Maybe the generations that are born in that automated world where people don't need a job are happy living like that because they have been educated and formed the mindset of that new society, so they wouldn't feel bad with themselves because everybody is the same and you wouldn't find social status, a partner, friends and personal gratification in having a job anymore. Maybe in that case there won't be revolts but I don't know maybe it is human nature and even if you are born in that type of society you would feel bad. Also, I think people would become mentally and physically weaker.

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automation will lead to the end days.
A radical change needs to take place

>a.i can program
>I don't know what a.i is but I will say some stupid shit anyway because I heard it from some smart people on tedx

Switching airplanes in for boats is not automation.

Interesting how Capitalism can lead to some type of Communism. With the development of robots humans won't be necessary to produce and everything will be so abundant that things will have no value at all.

I think that owners will have to control production to keep scarcity. But people won't have jobs so, where will they get the money? The government? But where is going to get the money the government itself?

you are free to not accept your UBI. this will somehow make you "freer" i assume.

>keep scarcity
There is no need for that unless you can literally create matter
Also, the goverment gets money from taxation since it's holds a monopoly of force and coercion

From the welfare state obviously. That's the reason why it exists in the first place, the emergence of unemployment in industrialized economies.. We are on the brink of another industrial revolution that will require policies of severe income distribution or otherwise we will live in come capitalist hellscape. You see technology has the potential to make us all better of to reduce our working hours and increase our wealth like 150 years ago but this requires reforms that distribute rhe wealth generated by them otherwise we'll just live in an oligarchy where a tiny elite controls the means of production while large parts of society live in destitute poverty and umemployment.

Who will produce if there is no one to buy?

WE ARE BEING INVADED

meh you pleb

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>There is no need for that unless you can literally create matter
What do you mean? New ways of energy will be created that will replace oil. It's difficult to think about it now because everyone says that we won't find another energy that will replace oil but I think that science is so developed that it will find new energies that will replace oil. And new materials too.

>Also, the goverment gets money from taxation since it's holds a monopoly of force and coercion
So the corporations pay taxes to the government and then the government gives that money to the people and they use it to buy products of the corporations? It seems a little strange.

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i wish they would start a fight with africa, so I getting removed while doing something good

What do you mean? The wealth generated by the machines will be partly distributed to the lowly employed and umemployment populace to consume goods.

>The wealth generated by the machines will be partly distributed
So the corporations will give away part of their benefits so people that don't do anything for them can buy their products (with the money of the corporations itself)?

I meant that wealth isn't produced on a vaccum, you must produce something with value for an individual to exchange resources for it, such as money. A capitalist, someone that can produce, needs someone that can consume otherwise he has no way to acquire wealth and no reason to "explore" someone

I tought you were talking about post scarcity which is impossible considering you can't actually create matter. At least given current laws of physics

What do you mean post scarcity?

You understand that this is already how the contemporary welfare state with progressive taxations works to a degree, right? The reason why this works is that new methods of industrial production will allow us to create products way more efficiently and abundantly.

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How about government jobs for every citizen who wants one?

Remember, the government doesn't have to balance its budget. Automation is highly deflationary, which means the economy can handle a large increase in the money supply before inflation becomes a problem.

...yes? this is how the money system works. it's all just money flowing from one party to another and back again. did you just figure this out?

this happend before, in europe during the industrial revolution and in it's aftermath.
all depended on factory money, foodshops, coal, housing, including the bars the workers spend all their money
look up pastor Daens
Krupp was a paradise in contrast with anglo and french industry

But people that receive welfare today have to meet some requirements. For example, a single mother that doesn't have money to raise her children, the government gives her money to raise and educate her children because the economy and society needs children and young people to function. Another example, a person that is unemployed receives money because the government needs that he finds a job so he is helped if he meets some requirements like actively searching for a job, etc. I don't think that giving free money to people without them having to do anything to earn it is a good message to society. It breaks all the rules of what a capitalist society is.

ok well now you're moving the goalposts to some "muh morals" argument that doesn't matter and nobody gives a fuck about.

>buy products and services
lol, i think you mean raw materials. we'll be 3-d printing our furniture, food, everything.

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But in this case the money is from the corporations always and they don't receive anything from that people because they don't work for them. It's like if the owner of a shop gives you 300$ and then you go buy in his shop. The 300$ return to the shop owner and he sells some things. But where is the profit?

That is what you think. Many people care about what is wright for humanity and I don't think that giving free money without doing anything to earn it is a good message to people. Just today I saw some thing that Trump is doing to oppose this nothing of free money. Like some type of welfare but with requirements that people have to meet to receive the money.

We wouldn't have this problem if there were no unskilled migrants in America

Ok maybe this was a bad comparison. Try to think of it the way some oil states work. Wealth in some oil states is so abundant that only a fraction of the population is actually working to keep the system running. In these countries women often don't work at all, which is like 50% of the workforce of the Western world. They often get a state allowance each month an free utilities. If the abundance of wealth gets increased by modern production methods with AI this state will be achieved in many more countries

There are many unskilled americans too. Like in each country. Immigration is not the problem here. It makes things worse because it adds more unskilled and unemployed people to society but it's not the main problem.

>what is wright for humanity
>wright

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some factories had kindergardens, schools and if signed a contract you could benefit higher school to learn the trades required.
like in the krupp factories.
before the mass immigration in germany after the wall fell, they tried to reinstate this system, by going to schools and offer interested students a scholarship funded by the cmpagnies involved and let them work partially too during their last 2 years to learn the trade, all under contract ofcourse. but that was shunned and abolished because it would be too volkisch, after german model in flanders we wanted the same thing, but rotten politicians prefer immigrants to maintain the status quo and their power. because that period there was a national socialist revival together with the rise of the nationalist parties movements.
the left was scared shitless we would retake our countries back defiled for so long by americanism tatcherism and the jew

New industries. When an industry dies, new advanced ones come in and take their place. Steam engine, with gas engine, planes replaced boats for travel, the car replaced the horse and carriage. Etc. Etc.
Anti automation and fear if it is a meme. People are fucking dumb. We'll be fine

>hurr durr advanced robotics and AI are exactly the same as the steam engine

In Saudi Arabia the money comes from the rest of the world that buy their oil. Then the government uses this money to build infrastructures or other things. They had luck and found oil in his territory, that's where the money come from. Once the oil is over, where will the government get the money? More people will have to work in truism, manufacture or other fields. Like in the rest of countries that don't have oil.

Yes but the unskilled Americans would have a much higher chance of getting a job because of the lack of migrants. The introduction of automation has to be at a slow pace so that there isn't a crisis. Automate one thing at a time to where people are encouraged to work on a trade that isn't automated.

You fail to realize the ongoing revolution in automation is concurrently a revolution in decentralization.
It's not gonna be legacy capitalism profiting from industrial automation for long. It's going to be individuals owning personally the means of production, from 3D printing, to CRISPR, to aquaponics, to mesh networks.
As automation replaces labor to create goods, automation becomes ever more decentralized and decreases the economic power of capital hoards requisite to industrial production, freeing people from the need to labor for wages to purchase goods.
We're just gonna personally and individually seize the means of production, and the meme of collective ownership will become as obsolete as capitalism. Isms BTFO, actual decentralization of power is actual freedom.

We don't need your stinking slave coupons when we can just make shit ourselves.

I don't understand everything you say but I like that system of people learning in the same factories and then working there.

But that is difficult because once Amazon automates his trucks or transport. The rest will want to do the same to increase profits.

So you could print your own iPhone in your house? Your own car?

Same concept dumbass. You can't even conceive the industries that will form from it because that's how it happens. They'll be advanced and they will change the way we live.
Use your brain for once in your life.

Coding is getting automated dumbass

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people who think AI is going to be like irobot make me cringe

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Already being done desu

I listened to the Yang interview with Joe Rogan recently and after hearing it all I just can say that this robots for everything, robots replacing humans is some antihuman shit that will bring many many violence. You will see.

Printing your own iPhone in your house? How?

Just think...
Without an enormous government welfare state
The problem would be self correcting
Can't have too much automation without welfare stat
Yang is part of the silicon valley crowd
They NEED UBI to automate fully

Once people are on UBI that's it
If you don't do X we stop your UBI
We'll be like dogs

>what happened in the past will be replicated again in perpetuity because i say so hurrr

Iphone is a meme not necessary to portable comms. Mesh networks don't require proprietary bloat for such devices.

Circuits can be printed, and while they are massive relative to nanoscale chipsets, they are immune to IME (Intel Management Engine) and similar backdoor faggotry. It takes time for novel technology to be dispersed to levels nominal to transcend extant paradigms, but as research continues to advance technology and concatenate across fields, such as communications and 3D printing, the eventual transition to decentralization becomes ever more robust, the technology more simple, and the economic power transfer more complete.

It's just a matter of time before you can be given your first 3D printer when you get out of diapers, and print your own house, contents, and mobile transport when it's time to leave the nest.

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I'm invading ur moms asshole bby

>It is necessary, affirms Malthus, to diminish the relief until its total disappearance, publicly disavowing the supposed right of the poor to be maintained by society. The practice of charity, in his opinion, promotes unpredictability and laziness. It must end, then, both with the institutions and with the ideas that lead to this end. Meanwhile, man must be educated to inculcate that he has no obligation to work to propagate the species, but to contribute as much as possible to welfare, for example, not constituting a family if he can not maintain it (1945: 84-86). . According to Malthus, the movement that impels us to help our fellow men is, like all passions, blind and unthinking, because it usually leads us to protect the professional beggar, thereby promoting laziness, leaving the decent man committed to misery and contravening nature (1945: 91-92).

Based Thomas Malthus said already 200 years ago.

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If the Boeing 737 MAX crashes are any indication, then human incompetence will make automation infeasable. Especially when you pay the lowest wages possible on principle to design things.....

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So it isn't possible right now, ok.

>>It's just a matter of time before you can be given your first 3D printer when you get out of diapers, and print your own house, contents, and mobile transport when it's time to leave the nest.
And that will never happen. Unless you pay a lot for the 3D printer or you pay a monthly subscription to the company that made the 3D printer or the blueprints of the things you print.

Interesting post. I wish it could be like this, but I can't help but think the government will stop this from happening

How do they afford those goods if they don’t have jobs? And if they got enough money from the government to afford them what’s the incentive to work for money?

>I haven't touched a history book in my worthless life

do you think the normies will start waking up soon?

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If a truck gets a flat tire in the middle of Wyoming, will the a.i. step out of the cab to fix it?

eventually there is going to be no "work" for the vast majority of humanity to do. do you realize this?

I don't know I gave the example of the trucks because is what have recently heard. I see it very difficult to automated trucks to work too.

>It's going to be individuals owning personally the means of production, from 3D printing, to CRISPR, to aquaponics, to mesh networks.
Glad to see a sane person ITT. I'm actually planing to leave my IT career and start a fully automated farm to raise my family there. Then design, develop and sell plug-n-play solutions for similar minded people.
Feels like many people starting to realize that we need connection with nature in our lives.

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yes, eventually there will be robots that will fix flat tires. if you can't envision such a future, then you are a member of the vast majority of humanity that the future will require no mental labor from :^).

How does a consumer based economy function without consumers?

> happy without a job and just consuming and painting and studying philosophy
yes this please
or are you retarded ?

Alright, how then?

The prices of items will be cheaper due to increased efficiency. Nothing will be fully automated more jobs will always exist. Even if those jobs are just maintaining the current system.

From UBI

/YangGang/

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It will be fun for a while but you eventually will get bored of everything. Humans have to work, is in their nature.

Self patching and inflating tires are a thing for decades.
If an automated vehicle gets broken in the middle of nowhere, it sends the signal to the service center and an automated repair vehicle will get there and perform a basic field fix. If the field fix is not possibly, they just tow it to the nearest service center.

Very easy to organize all this.

lol you can work i granted it to you
while i enjoy my life

>while i enjoy my life
How? Whit the money of whom? Why do you deserve to travel to Paris if you don't do anything of value and live from the work of others?

>how then?
How what? How a robot can replace a tire? You never seen industrial robots performing super complex tasks? Search youtube after all

Machies are also only humans,
>be me
>learn at work
>wrote a programm for a robot
>doesnt work
>wtf, tried a mass, readed in the book ect
>asked the coworker
>he checked the programm, all good, no mistake
Wtf,

Hour later
>problem with robot
>robot ignores a signal and stopped
>changed languages 2 times
>work

Wtf

If robots can handle service industry jobs they also handle shooting hungry rioting people.

KACZYNSKI/YANG GANG

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This, I suspect

Retard detected.

by kicking out foreigners, taking their possessions, and putting the demographics back to their natural levels. Automation is of no consequence when you aren't over-populated.

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