Were the IRA the good guys?

>catholics
>good guys
thats a big yikes from me

no. not post 1969.

they fought an unjust war - one that had no possible victory, one that had no plan or resourcing that could result in victory.

they killed people for no good reason. they destroyed the local economy and made everyone miserable for thirty years.

they got nothing out of the peace process that they could not have got at Sunningdale

they were not the good guys.

they stole, they tortured, they murdered, they ran drugs ans trafficked girls, they covered up pedophiles and rapists, they bullied and terrorised, and all for nothing but their own egos.

they are not good guys

early 1970s, armed with whatever the Libyans and russians could give them.

not modern little guns.

protestantism is a direct line to atheism and nihilism and fragmentation and downfall of the west lad.

the reformation was a mistake and so were the liberal and communist revolutions. all part of the same problem.

>armed with whatever the Libyans and russians could give them.

You mean Americans

paid for by the idiots in america, often, but not usually sorced from america directly. Libya was the main supply for a long time.

the Boston Irish gave a lot of cash to the communist IRA to give ot the russians adn libyans for weapons to overthrow democracy adn institute a communist ireland, and then the world.

which shows how bright the yanks are.

protestants are jewish puppets

religion is the direct line to stagnation and cultural death - see Islam and Orthodox Russian and Coptic and for that matter Catholicism for good examples.

atheism is the future

>they stole, they tortured, they murdered, they ran drugs ans trafficked girls
Lived in Belfast my whole life, never heard of this, ever. They used to SHOOT drug dealers. There was a division specifically formed for this purpose, it was called DAAD - Direct Action Against Drugs.
>they covered up pedophiles and rapists
Again, the IRA in nationalist/Republican/Catholic neighbourhoods were the de facto police force as the RUC (cops at the time) were 95% Orange Order and therefore belligerent to that population. They had their own court system, but it usually ended in executions, punishment shootings or expulsions.
The only time I heard of anyone covering up for a paedo was when Gerry Adams stopped the IRA from shooting his brother, who was an incestuous scumbag.

Nah, be a pagan. Accept that there is something out there. Don't believe it's a magical sky daddy that cares if you masturbate. Remember, if gravity were literally any different, this universe would not be possible. Hydrogen wouldn't have been the first element formed. There is something metaphysical about our universe that we don't understand. Don't worship either, that shit is dumb. The creator didn't create this universe to be praised, that's retarded.

I'm guessing you're not a Frog, but an ex-pat Brit living in the South of France?
Dordogne maybe?
Ex-Military maybe?

Atheism isn't the answer. People need spirituality, but we need a new religion which doesn't involve jews.

>They used to SHOOT drug dealers.
It's not uncommon for drug cartels to shoot rival drug dealers. The IRA's involvement with the drug trade was quite well known, and I'm surprised you're not aware of it.

yeah fuck a functional value system and positive birthrates, the future is being a childless urbanite programmer sucking on onions and buying nintendo figurines and having furbabies.

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In the name of the father was a good movie featuring both sides as ass holes. God the Irish made me sad. Remember visiting relatives decades ago, everything was so depressing. I saw despair in the eyes of all the kids that were my age.

Anyone who fights the bongoloid is a the good guy

no you retard.
mutts who supported them should die.

Tying birth rates and values to religion is dumb. I've never been a theist and I still have a value system.

Sauce now.

well, since your whole life is only about twelve years, you wont rememebr the belfast that i lived in from the 1960s til a couple of years ago. the one where they stopped drugs int eh north, to keep the kids unhapppy and willing to riot adn join their murder gangs, while bringing in tons of heroin to the south, making Dublin a drugs hell hole. also tons of heroin to holland, and to a lesser extent the USA. or how they ran brothels in the Hol Land area, using girls from eastern europe. or how they ran irish girls to Holland to work in brothels there. or how they used to kneecap people, and hang them up with barbed wire and beat them with sticks with nails in them? Ask Alex maskey about that one. he was their chief torturer.

of course all those post offices just robbed themselves. adn the northern bank? must have been aliens took those millions of euros. and the wee girls that got tarred and feathered for snogging Brits? or the ones that just disappeared?

and Gerry Adams brother? You think he was the only one? and how about the collusion with the church to cover up their paedo club?

of course the fact that the RA shot catholics who joined the polce wouldn't have had any effect on the cops now would it? or jsut shot peelers on priciple. not a bit of wonder most were a bit anti IRA. But actually the number in the Orange Order was very low. It was deeply discouraged by teh command structure - no cop got promoted who was in teh order. Same in the UDR, although it was used as a training supplier for the UDA, Order members were not promoted.

But why don't you ask your granny about the RA and how they used to collect voluntary donations... not bully boys or terrorists at all.

they were scum. bullies and arrogant stupid politically ignorant anti democratic bastards

No- think controlled opposition to keep Ireland all fuck up, and destroy the concept of unification.

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>be a puddle. think the universe is specially created for you because if it wasn't exactly a it is then you would not be exactly the shape you are.

weak anthropic principle is weak.

atheists have functional values.

only retards cannot make moral choices themselves but have to be threatened with sky daddy and future eternal fire so as not to murder people.

this picture always gives me chills

I didn't say it was created just for me? You spend too much time on Jow Forums and you're just trying to argue. You literally just made up an argument to knock it down. That's what we call a strawman and you're dumb as fuck.

ira lost any legitimacy when the irish civil war kicked off

tfp ns

Their cause was just, although in the end they became a mob.

This - their embrace of Communism was their doom

Sod off, Prot

Enjoy your future of your 0.4 children per couple being gay

you alluded to the idea that we should believe in some supernatural force or being because the natural conditions of this universe are such that we can survive in it.

that is a puddle believing the universe was made for it because it would not be exactly that shape otherwise.

I think it a fair comparison.

>Tying birth rates and values to religion is dumb.
that's because you're uneducated on the subject. muslims outbreed atheists even if controlled for all other factors. the big religions are inherently natalist and apply pressure in that direction. lose the religion and people start to prioritize being comfy and have two kids or less.

No, but it's not a good guy/bad guy thing. The IRA killed many innocent people. But they were a reaction against violent oppression by the British.

Interestingly, they actually fought on both sides of the Spanish Civil War. The IRA were basically leftist, so some fought for the social anarchists in Catalonia, who they considered comrades. However, the Catholic Church was very much aligned with fascism, so as devout Catholics, many others volunteered to fight for the Francoist fascists.

>Enjoy your future of your 0.4 children per couple being gay

>thinks being atheist means you dont like fucking women and havent got a drive to reproduce

>thinks you only like to have kids if you believe in sky daddy who doesnt want you to enjoy sex, or do it in the light or take your clothes off.

Gay. They were cowards.

>and people start to prioritize being comfy and have two kids or less.
which is a good thing...

>extinction tier birthrates
>fragmented societies where secular people can't agree on values which leads to culture wars and division within the nation
>allowing foreign invaders with incompatible values

very functional.

>violent oppression by the British.

please tell me what form this took in the 1950s and 1960s

How many people were killed by the violent oppressive Brits in those two decades?

Is it hard to consider we (humanity) are just a happy accident?

unless other groups are not doing so. demography is destinity and being outbred determines your faith. atheism is on the decline globally. it's untenable because atheists are the ones who don't breed and accept homosexuality and other self-destructive cultural values.

You're an idiot. Most of the violence happened well before then.

*fate not faith but still an apt mistake

Who cares? It's history

No, I think we're an accident. Mold growing in a petri dish of the universe if you will. I don't think it was made specifically for us. I don't know why the creator created this universe, but something did. According to the first law of thermodynamics, it is literally impossible for energy to appear out of no where. So either that energy has always been here, or something that doesn't follow our universal laws created it. Either way, it wasn't made specifically for us, we're just a byproduct.

See

They were the bad guys when they started bombing the English. They were good lads most of the time though. There is nothing wrong with killing the evil scots who are squatting up in the north.

They were Socialists, so no

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Sorry bub didn't see.

so the Troubles - the IRA campaign of violence in which they killed thousands of civilians in the late 60's 70s, 80s adn 90s, was justified by ...

stuff that happened more than thirty years before that?

violent oppression that happened thirty or fifty years earlier, but had not happened for fifty years?

hardly violent oppression then if it hadn't happened for decades.

or does that mean that it is fine for blacks to now murder white in the US because of slavery. totally justified by that violent oppression.

No worries friend, I had just posted it. I don't expect you to see into the future.

They were communists.

physics didnt end with classical thermodynamics
modern physicists disagree with you

BRITISH GUILT

More Irish volunteered for Franco than for the leftists. Many of franco's irish volunteers where ex IRA as well.

Discussing the IRA is difficult and it often depends upon which organisation you are speaking off, RIRA, PIRA, CIRA etc. Some where Irish nationalists using the name which had culutrual capital, others where signed up to the left ideoloy present in the name.

Where the IRA of the 1920's the good guys? yes. Where the IRA of 1969-present the good guys? usually no.

fuck you and the bog you crawled out of.

people who have lived somewhere and farmed it and developed it and built it into an agricultural and industrial powerhouse that out produces your country, are not squatters.

It may not end there, but it definitely starts there. I will gladly concede my position if you can post literally any example of anything in this universe that isn't bound by the first law of thermodynamics. Seriously, just one example of it and I will admit that it could have happened previously. If you can't, then I guess as it stands the universe is still bound by that law. From beginning to end.

what? please try to be less cryptic, this isnt a puzzle

try whole sentences.

Every country in Europe has been at war with all of its neighbours at some point, and in similar time frames to the Irish stuff. The amount of time that has passed really should be taken into consideration.

It's a joke about white guilt and how it exists into years long past.

HOIGH BRAVELY YEHY FACED WAN, WED YER SEXTEIGHN POIGHNDER GON

Depends what IRA you're talking about
In 1969, the IRA split into the Provisional IRA, who rejected Marxism and protected the Catholics and Nationalists in Northern Ireland, and the Dublin IRA, commie scum. The Provisional IRA were the good guys.

i am not a physicist, but I beleive there have been ideas about spntaneous matter adn anti matter divergence, and also quantum efffects that result in spontaneous creation of photons ex nihilo.

but even if the first law is truly universal, (and all physicists agree that those laws break down at quantum level and in the massive forces of the big bang) that still does not mean there is some creator.

it makes no sense - the creator would also have to be subject tothe laws, so who created him? (usual paradoxes of infintie regress asn all the usual olf arguments about the existence of god apply)

you are just spouting some sort of teleological or ontological argument for the existence of god, which relies on an undefined meaning of "god" adn some unknown science or ignorance of facts. A god of the gaps.

Jesus Christ.
Never knew they were that bad.

And yet what is it now? A money pit burden on the brits

>protected the Catholics and Nationalists in Northern Ireland,

from?

nothin they had to do apart from stop being cunts. Goof Friday Agreement proved that. IRA finally shut the fuck up, the North becomes peaceful adn pleasant overnight. not the brits fault. the RA were the ones doing the violence

The Census, CDC, OSFS, NHS, the Birkbeck Fertility Anaysis, the Heidelburg Longitudinal Analysis of Fertility, and the WHO, plus scores of other research on fertility:
>The Total Fertility Rate of atheist couples in not just the West, bit in Eastern Asia, is about 0.6, once considered below the theoretical minimum possible TFR.
>Devout [defined as 'attend religious services at least weekly, pray at least daily, state they firmly believe'] Protestants have a TFR of about 1.8, above the averagefor these areas. Devout Catholics, however, have a TFR of 4.1"
Why do you hate science, atheist scum?

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yes
monarchists deserve to be shot

you want to run a business? protection money please.
You want to have six hookers for a party? we can arrange that. And if any of them dont perform well enough just tell us and we will beat them up for you.

lovely guys

The Ulster Constabulary killed (in order) mainly civilians, then other Ulstermen, then the IRA, then British soldiers
The British Soldiers killed (in order) mainly civilians, then IRA, then Ulstermen
The IRA killed mainly (in order) British soldiers, then ulstermen, then civilians.
This is according to the official UK government post-conflict analysis that admitted the IRA focused tightly on the British Army while the British Army and its allies, the Ulster paramilitaries, mainly killed civilians

When you need to fight somebody who could crush you in an instant, do you fight them in a stand-up boxing match where you'd surely be destroyed?

If the answer is yes, then you're honorable, and a fool.
The world needs men like you to fight battles, but not to plan them.

based

>funded and trained by israel because the israeli's hate the brits
>often israeli weapons and funding and training funneled through the americans because MUH IRELAND
>absolutely incompetant
>literally defeated at the end of the troubles after being infiltrated so thoroughly with the british secret services they were all on the verge of being arrested
>Tony blair just gives in and calls everything off and rewards the IRA with governance of ireland and shared governance of northern ireland because tony blair was a scummy israel firster who would do anything the ZOG commanded of him.
youtube.com/watch?v=Aqz5fdemJq4

There's a leap between fighting somebody with a plan instead of going in a stand-up boxing match, and killing their mother and sister and dog.

Based yank, fuck the Catholics.

Why would the israelis hate the brits when the brits literally made their country?

youtu.be/2MQTZsbIH5M
Seems pretty based
Go on home sand niggers go on home

I’m a brain let. Where can I learn more about the IRA. Do you have any books or documentaries?

yes 100%

Nope. BRITANNIA SHOULD BE UNITED UNDER ANGLO SAXON RULE!

no worse than the south is for the EU

so not 0.4 then?

also, given the world overpopulation, the sooner we kill off some of these religious nutters the better.

birth rate is usually related to education - lower education (religious nutters) higher birthrate

birthrate is not a good thing

Sage and Report stupid threads like this.

Approximately 60% of the dead were killed by republicans, 30% by loyalists and 10% by British security forces.

187 (~51.5%) were civilians
145 (~39.9%) were members of republican paramilitaries
18 (~4.9%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries
13 (~3.5%) were fellow members of the British security forces
Of those killed by republican paramilitaries:

1080 (~52%) were members/former members of the British security forces
723 (~35%) were civilians
187 (~9%) were members of republican paramilitaries
57 (~2.7%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries
11 (~0.5%) were members of the Irish security forces

ten times as many civilians killed by the IRA

The Anglo Internet Defense in full force to day I see

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but the world needs people to plan wars, not just battles. it was a bad war plan

Richard English's book is the best

God Bless Loyal Ulster

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Looks like it was out of a movie. Ending scene.

doesn't really matter, all that matters now is what they represent and what the idea of a free Ireland means today in the face of invasion from niggers and mudslimes

The ROI is one of the few net contributors to the EU, Whereas NI is a net loss for the UK. So what exactly are you trying to say here?

>fight to the death to keep English out
>flies the Brussels flag high with pride and opens bordered to bass third world migration though

>fuck da ebglish

The English are the least of your problems today paddy.
So fixated on hating England meanwhile the third world colonises them, pathetic.

ira tactics - kill agents of the british state, attack economic targets, loyalist paramilitaries
loyalist tactics - kill the nearest catholic
the ira, if it went gloves off, could have inflicted mass civilian casualties by repeatedly hitting the london underground
- this would have caused massive economic damage as well
- but they didnt; actually tried to play a very dirty war, a bit too clean IMO
I wished they would have bombed the cunts in the picture; these fuckers block the streets 600 times a year

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