Why can’t I get laid?

Why can’t I get laid? It’s not fucking fair I’m a nice guy, I’m good looking I have a good job I don’t ask for much but every time, EVERY FUCKING TIME I get a girl somewhat interested in me they start to flake or I get friendzoned. I see girls with scumbags all the time, yet me a decent hardworking good looking 25 year old guy can’t get any interest from women. WHY WHAT THE FUCK!

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It's because you fucking care too much.

The most important rule with women is to think of them like cats. Don't give them the time of day and they are drawn to you.

>Why can’t I get laid?
because you phone post Wojaks.

Nice guys finish last, Brandon.

Literally every guy who says they're a nice guy isn't a nice guy
I have never met a guy who's nice and calls themselves nice. At best, they'll say 'I always try to do good by people' or something
Anyone who says 'I'm a nice guy' is guaranteed not to be a nice guy, and this thread is just going to be more proof

Also you guys just talk to women just to get laid, and surprise surprise, women don't like that

If you have to say you’re a nice guy you’re probably not, maybe you just do things expecting girls to repay your actions with sex...

Sadly enough jerks like you who think themselves “nice guys” just act that way because they think they deserve something in return

Change approach. Be a good person that girls enjoy being around but start doing it for yourself, not for thirst. Also, is kinda right - rarely a truly good person described themselves as overall nice. They may believe they try to be nice toward everyone and even succeed, but that's about it. If it's not ingrained in your nature and it's very possible, even likely it's not, then you being nice may be just a trait exhibited to win some girls over rather than effortless trait of character - and girls can recognize such things, in turn making it actually work against you.

Put yourself out there but stop worrying and instead strive to become a person people would just enjoy spending time with. Move from there.

>Also you guys just talk to women just to get laid, and surprise surprise, women don't like that
>implying women are useful beyond sex

It’s why they always complain about Chad not giving them enough attention, the diffference being here that the nice guy never gets a chance while Chad only uses bitches for sex yet they complain about it yet that give it to him so easily.

It’s not fucking fair.

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Women these days are only interested in men who Lil B follows on Twitter, desu.

Ok let me break it down:
Although women claim they want to be with a “nice guy”, they avoid them like the plague. Why? Because “nice guys” are insecure and inauthentic.

Women don’t buy into a guy who is all touchy feely. In fact, most will think that’s pure crap.
Here are the real reasons why women don’t like nice guys.
1)Women Can Smell the Bull From a Mile Away. Nice guys try to hide their flaws by overcompensating for them with being nice, most are trying to fake it til they make it, and that means that they often slip up, revealing their true selves.
2)Nice Guys Can’t Hear Women. The problem with being a nice guy is that they often don’t hear a woman when she says she isn’t interested in being in a relationship with them.
3) Be gentleMAN, not an insecure “nice guy”. How about they show women how “nice” they are by doing selfless things and acting in a way that isn’t trying to get them laid all the time. Come on dude, have some dignity. There’s a woman out there for you, but you’ll never find her if you keep up this charade of lies. Nice guys finish last because they aren’t real.Kind men, generous men, gentlemen, are real. Be that and you’ll be well on your way to finding a woman who can appreciate your qualities and your quirks for the rest of your life. There’s no trick to it really, women just want men to be themselves. It’s hard to keep up the “nice guy” routine after you’ve gotten the girl, so don’t bother with it in the first place.

>treat women like sex objects
>surprised when they want nothing to do with you

I cannot help you if you're patently this dumb. You're the male version of a thot

just recommend him the self help book you read.

>Anyone who says 'I'm a nice guy' is guaranteed not to be a nice guy
And user took this fact out of his hairy ass

I'm a nice guy, regardless if I say it or not.

Actually the only thing you need to do is google it, “why nice guys can’t get laid” just as I did in the 2 min. After laughing my ass for this poor bastard

My ass is actually bubbly and soft, thank you very much

But no, you're not, and nothing evidences that more than the fact that you have to express that point on Jow Forums

>my ass is actually bubbly and soft

can i dip my nice guy cock™ in that?

So now that "nice guy" has been memed to death what kind of '[adjective] guy' will leave listeners believing what OP was actually trying to get across? If there is some term that only non nice people describe the self by, surely there must be a term that only nice people use to describe themselves?

Why aren't women desperate for men like men are for women? Even if it isn't about just sex. It's like there are just more men than women or something. Has china ruined thus for everyone?

Because you are a cuck lol

There are nice guys, they do exist, it’s just that this kind of fellas, dudes like OP, who just do things expecting something back, those people are called pretenders, or lil bitches, or just scumbags
Ex. I like a girl so I will lie and try to appear nice to her so she will notice me, *she doesn’t like it*
She’s such a bitch, I did stuff for her, she’s supposed to like me back, why doesn’t she likes me...
You know those things are not “nice” that’s it, if you have to tell others you are nice well you probably are not, just as the little kid trying to convince even he’s a badass because he says he Is

That is a lot of assumptions that are only probably accurate about OP, but probably is not enough of a reason to invalidate the concept of a "virtue statment".
In regular conversation with a friend, you wouldn't need to preface that you are a moral person, because it is obvious. But in a single Jow Forums post, you would have to say it directly to get it across. So what should the default few word phrase be to express that you are substantially more moral than average to the point it is a notable trait, without getting people to assume that the opposite is the case? Obviously genuinely extra-moral men who can't get a date actually exist so there should be a way to express this and effectively get the point across.

>I have a good job
Why do incels always bring up like the fact that they have good grades and go to a good school or have a good job and dress well and whatever else. It always sounds like they're on their way to ask for a loan from the bank or something

I think the attempt is to get people to say that there is something wrong with them that they can't fix through hard work.

>I'm a nice guy
There's your problem. Women like edge, charisma, mystery, talent, intelligence, skill, physical ability, etc. If the most interesting thing you can say about yourself is "I treat others with decency and respect," you aren't doing anything interesting enough to stand out.
Don't go too far in the other direction though, you don't need to sell drugs to get some fuck. Get into going to the gym, find religion, buy a gun and go to the shooting range, pick up a sport, literally anything but browsing the Fourchins all day.

If you can't get laid then you need to go to a doctor to cure your impotence.

You're not good looking.
Also you're too nice, they feel you are below them.

>intelligence

I have an way above average IQ (professionally tested), yet I’m still a virgin. Is it possible I’m literally TOO intelligent to have a girlfriend? For perspective, I have theories I’ve written down in my MacBook that would make Issac Newton’s comparable to drawings illustrated by a 1st grader.

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As a 27 year old virgin myself I decided enough is enough and I ordered a massage from private girl in her apartment. She did some rituals before starting to get a spiritual connection to me which she said was very strong. She says doing tantric massages gives her the same effect as yoga and that she felt very happy that I gave her a lot of my energy. Kinda sounded like a succubus or vampire but I didn't mind it. The happy ending was great. I could only touch legs or hug her. she threw in B2B as a bonus for ordering 2 hours tantric massage. The feeling of a girls naked soft body sliding all over your body i between the body and penis worship was much better than I could ever expect. We talked for an hour after and she wanted to talk more but another client was coming. On my way out she gave me her number and said if I wanted to go out for a beer, I should text her. never have I got a girl's number and you bet I sent a text. And she replied so she didn't give me a fake number. I'm going to assume she just wants to talk but I will be prepared incase. We already saw each other naked and she milked me empty with 6 days worth of no fap. so I wonder if it's going to be different going out someone I've already been intimate with. Not that I have anything to refer to because I never went on a date before.

Tldr: find a good masseur or Escort. Not only is it sex, you can talk to them and they will listen. If it's shady to buy services in your country like its in mine, a serious girl will keep your privacy safe as she is risking it like you. It costs money. But so does wining and dining as a nice guy. Be honest, only alphas get free pussy and nice guys like us either have to settle for scraps or enjoy the world's oldest job or we become alphas and get it for free. But I want quality over quantity. I'm sure a frustrated nice guy like you would really enjoy a serious escort or masseur if your chemistry hits like it did for me. Good luck!

Confirmed for brainlet incel. Only people with an IQ of below 80 can be incels like you.

If you're either autistic or spouting your theories in-depth to brainlets, maybe. Find smarter girls

>Why aren't women desperate for men like men are for women?
Some are. Look at groupies. It's just that they are looking in different categories. A guy will look for a girl fitting and good for him, Many girls will ignore guys they'd be really happy with if there's someone more attractive out there they can have a go at. Not all, but many, at least till certain age while they themselves are young and attractive around so they can choose from among admirers.
Additionally, guys are mostly driven by physical attraction and certain traits of attitude/character/ideology governing woman's life in deciding how fitting she is. Too many women in huge part go for success, wealth, social standing or potential to acquire such when choosing suitors. That's why rich men often get plenty of gold diggers in tow even when they lack in looks and other traits, less so with rich women.

And don't get me started on spurned exes who turn into psycho stalkers. You can find those among either gender.

>R: 30 / I: 2
>Why can’t I get laid?: Why can’t I get laid?

If you're asking this then you should be working out grooming dressing right etc and youd never have a problem getting laid

And if youre too lazy for that then just dont give a shit about getting laid and you will get laid all the time

I know it sounds easy but as a fellow autist i have many areas of my life that should be easy and arent to me too so i understand how hatd it id

I had a female coworker tell me how dissapointed she and her parents were that her big sister divorced her husband she had been married for 2 years with after 7 years together. She said he was a good man for her and she is sad that her sister is now dating an asshole. Heard many such stories. I believe both you and my coworker when it comes to girls cheating because they can get something better than what they already have.

The word you guys are looking for is hypergamy and in today’s dating world it makes long term relationships impossible.

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Get a prostitute you pathetic fuck

Sad truth. There's not that many girls who are both awesome enough to enjoy plenty of male attention and not spoiled by it enough to value truly someone they're with rather than keep shopping around. One of the reasons such girls go for assholes - it's not assholeish attitude in general, it's knowledge that the guy is his own person and not a guaranteed catch and thus someone who can also leave and look elsewhere if they won't be good enough women for him - so they'll work to stick to him and avoid fucks up fearing he'll dump their asses and move on.

Things freely given and taken for granted seem even less valued by women than by men. Including feelings of potential romantic partners. Also it's a matter of age and guys being told to find someone decent to build life with while girls being taught to find a prince charming or awesome, cool guy to be proud of which builds far less sturdy relationships. I blame feminism and its slutwalks etc for exacerbating it further.

Yep. I've realised the squeeze is not worth it, so I decided to try for paid service before I order a doll which was my plan B. and I was pleasantly surprised. If I keep getting more good experiences with escorts then I will stick to that because the female touch is very nice for me. You skip the bullshit, no worry of being falsely acccused
And you get your biological frustrations out of your body. And I go on improving and enjoying my life without having to cater to a wilderbeast with a shit list of criterias for men. For me it's a win win and I could care less what people think of it. We have to make our own happiness in life and not rely on others to provide it for us.

I used to be into escorts, but they are hard to get around here now and all the good ones left to other cities or became full time strippers. Now I just kinda fish for thots on social media, every once in a while I’ll get one on the line, smash and send her on her way.

You must have a flaw in your personality. You think you're a nice guy but your probably honestly an asshole.

I guess what I meant was women looking for "a boyfriend" like men are desperate to get a girlfriend. Wanting a famous guy REALLY badly does not equate to being desperate for a boyfriend. Are you saying that the entire obvious imbalance is caused by the fact that women want a famous man as much as men want an average looking woman? That is deeply disheartening and really sounds like incel rhetoric.

“I’m a nice guy”
Well that sort this thread

>20605776

It's not that hard user, just be yourself.

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What am exactly am I looking at here? These your stats, I need some information on the guy: age, height, weight

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The most genuinely kind guy I know labels himself as "selfish asshole" and says "I only care about myself"

Meanwhile
>gives out food and chewing gum at random
>has given me (and several other people) car rides through insane rush hour traffic at the drop of a hat
>will only say positive things about friends when talking about them behind their back (and is savagely funny when talking shit about people he doesn't like)
>will accomodate people's needs in group settings (e.g. insisting on eating at halal restaurants when our Muslim friend joins us for dinner)
>personally visits friends on their birthdays
>does volunteer work
If you're reading this Cameron, you're a cool ass white boy

Is he a virgin?

>genuinely believes the whore has feelings for him
pls b b8

Don't think he's had a long term GF, but he's certainly not a virgin

This has to be one of the worst posts I have ever read on Jow Forums.

>everything was better in the good old days
Look at the teenager virgin thinking he is an expert on relationships and history.

Because you are friends

How do I get girls to friendzone me? I imagine having female friends would be a great way to meet some women you could date, maybe she could help, you know, friend things.

You have to go back

(You)
Sorry I'm right, Anonymous. Your bitterness won't make you any more desirable to women.

YIKES sweaty

But really, can you answer my question for an easy term to actually express that you are a nice guy.

It's funny because they want everything to do with you if you treat treat them like sex objects... if you're attractive

you got no game

Listen closely.

Sto0 setting the goal as to get laid.

Start at a small goal like this.

Aim to talk to a girl just normal conversation.

Do this a couple of times.

Next goal.

Get a girl who is your FRIEND not a girlfriend. Hang out at least once a month.

Next goal.
Talk to more girls every day, and do not have getting laid on your mind.

The point of all this is building comfort around women first.

After building platonic comfort, move up to the more intimate comfort.

Work on playful touching sometimes, make risque jokes with girls, etc.

Again, your goal is NOT to get laid, it's to be comfortable being sexual around girls.

After you keep practicing these two things, you should have a good indicator as to who wants to fuck you and who just wants to be friends, and you can start refining who you speak with from there.

Nice meme.

>I can't get laid. Girls always reject me, flake on me or friendzone me.
Stop caring about them. Stop being so desperate and needy. You need to be less proactive and let them come to you bro.

>I can't get laid. No matter how much money i make or how hard i work i'm not getting girls.
You need to go out more, approach women, ask them on dates. You're not being proactive enough bro.

Here, your answer.
Don't follow the suicide advice.

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Are these things even possible in your late 20s?
Won't women find it repulsive for some guy with no social skills coming up and trying to be platonic friends with them?

Who cares what they think? If it doesn't work you'll probably never see them again and you'll be quickly forgotten. No one cares, so stop caring what people think of you when you they'll probably never be an active part of your life ever again

Where are some good places to talk to women? The places I go are as follows
College classes
Grocery stores
Occasional fast food drive through.
The park, for a walk

I'm 20, so I can't go to bars, not that they are my type of place anyway.
I try to talk to women in my classes or in the halls, but they don't react very positively.
I could try doing some things outside my schedule just to follow this plan but I have no desire for genuine charity work or something and I feel like that would just be creepy.

Second one is true, but also, air of desperation makes you REALLY unattractive.
Imagine some fat whale trying to desperately flirt with you every time you see her.
Is this behaviour making her more attractive, or less?
Let me answer that, cause I know someone like that irl: It's less.
So, yeah, go talk to women, but also have standards for yourself, don't view EVERY girl as a potential partner immediately and just be cool about it.
Act like you could take it or leave it.
Scratch that.
You CAN take it or leave it.

>Grocery stores
What the fuck?
I would never ever think of bothering people at a grocery store.
It's not a social place at all.

You care way too much.

Imagine wanting a cool keychain but not having the keys to use it on. The accessory must come AFTER you have the thing it must be the accessory of.
In this case, getting laid is the accessory of your life. Focus on your life first and the keychain will just about happen.

>Im a nice guy
>Other guys are scumbags because they get girls

Thats incel rhetoric right there user. The vast majority of people are decent (or "nice) in their own ways and are flawed in others. Some people are cheap, some are a bit selfish, some are annoying, some are rude, some are stupid, some are lazy etc, but almost everyone is "nice" By now its a meaningless buzzword, since acting somewhat civilized is expected of you, its not some great character trait.

Also, if you are nice only to get sex, you are not really nice. You fake kindness to get something back.

How do nice guys even still exist without being SUPER self aware these days lmao
It's such a big meme now.

>It’s not fucking fair
Get a grip man Jesus Christ.
It has nothing to do with being fair.

This is true, I guess.
I need to find a hobby that women also enjoy so I can start communicating with them regularly.

Cooking classes maybe?

Hight IQ, has a MacBook.

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>when guys think that "being nice" is a notable personality trait and not just a baseline for being human
I love this website

I'm just saying it is a comprehensive list of the places I go. The only place I talk to women is class or online.

Get a hooker you retard

All we have to be is better than the other guy.

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>Don't give them the time of day
Standard practice for me. With zero results.

Women aren't rational. You can't make sense of their choices. While some woman is worried about you being a "nice guy," she'll gladly ignore being belittled by another guy because she finds something attractive about him and that's all that matters.

You can't even manage that.
What a fucking sight you are.

>women's super-sensitive psychic powers can detect a self-proclaimed "nice guy"'s real personality
>can't detect whether the guy they want to fuck will beat them or cheat on them repeatedly in the near future tho

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>low iq pleb macro
step your game up.
>quality bant
ha.

>super-sensitive psychic powers
i.e. not being autistic

This is true to some extent since a humble person would not brag like that.
Or feel free to do so, it's just doesnt sound right tho

youre autistic and thats never gonna happen, if theyre nice they should be able to give off that by their words without explicitly stating it

Like I said, that very well should be possible in most conversations, not in a Jow Forums post. Obviously the idea that a man who identifies as a good person + can not get laid = bad person is a laughable moral standard.

not OP but
>meet girl from tinder
>tells me she wants to go slow on the first date
>dont flirt, dont kiss, dont try to fuck when im at her place
>finish second date, text her for third
>she tells me she just feels platonic

Im legit a guy that likes intimacy over sex, and i couldnt care about that. Just cuddling, hugging, kissing, or holding hands would satisfy me. But this mind set is too "nice guy" for women and i never get past the second date.

ur thinking too much fgt. this isnt politics. theres no game to be had. all this advice is null when you realize all you gotta do is go out and do shit. seven billion people in the world. one of them is bound to end up in yur lap if all you do is go outside.

thats the trick of it all. dont think. just do.

Come on I need some advice.

Can they tell if I care too much if I don't even talk to them?
Because I don't talk to them and have big self esteem problems

>tells me she wants to go slow on the first date
>dont flirt, dont kiss, dont try to fuck when im at her place
>don't flirt

You overdid it, should have at least flirted.

I'm a piece of shit that can only really care about truly broken people.
Am I a good guy?

nah, ur a fag

>Im legit a guy that likes intimacy over sex, and i couldnt care about that. Just cuddling, hugging, kissing, or holding hands would satisfy me. But this mind set is too "nice guy" for women and i never get past the second date.

Sorry my guy, but unless you show sexual interest right away, not any longer than the second date, in her mind she won't feel a "spark", thus not continue dating you. I went out with a girl on tinder who specifically on her profile said shes not looking for hookups, just something long term. I know that's bs, so I msged her anyway, we went on a date, was all good, kissed her, set up a second date, was all good, invited her back to my place, we made out, she told me she doesn't want to move too fast, I reassured her that it's fine, and she ended up blowing me. She's sleeping over on the weekend for the third date, and she's told me she's a virgin (at 19, impressive). Funny thing though? I've already told her how I feel about not wanting to be in a relationship and that it's too much work. She still wants to have sex. Probably because she has the dumb idea that having sex with her will cause me to rethink it. She was also telling me she went on this other date with a guy who wasn't flirty at all, didn't kiss her at the end, and when he tried to set up a second date, she blew it off. Her reason? "I didn't feel that spark like I do with you". AKA he didn't show any sexual interest. You know who doesn't show sexual interest? Friends.

Listen to me. For EVERYONE in this thread. ALWAYS show sexual interest off the bat. Don't be a goddamn horndog about it. But make sure she knows in some way. Even if she says she's a church girl virgin raised on a farm only looking for a long term relationship. Horny always overrides logical thinking. Women aren't told this anymore so it's a pretty great time for guys who aren't retarded who want to get laid. It's killed long term relationships though so theres a tradeoff there.

i put my arm around her while we watched netflix tho, and i softly rubbed her arm during that time. Does this count as anything? I felt so bad getting blown off, i didnt know if i fucked it up or if she's just going through stuff (she wanted to take it slow cuz about 1 month ago she just got out of an abusive relationship).

>i put my arm around her while we watched netflix tho, and i softly rubbed her arm during that time. Does this count as anything?

Lol no. Nowadays you have to ATLEAST have a heavy makeout session by the second date. I don't like it either. Infact I fucking hate it. But that's the world we live in now and if you don't like it...theres not many options.

Also stop listening to what girls say about wanting to take it slow blah blah blah. They all end up doing the same thing at the same pace when push comes to shove. They'll just justify what they told themselves earlier with something like "ohh but I like him so much and he's a great guy!" or whatever.

It has nothing to do with scum bags and nice guys mang.

Being nice isn't fucking enough. Most people are nice. It doesn't get you points. It's a neutral state. A nice guy is better than an asshole, but that's it. It doesn't make you special, or desirable, or differentiate you from the countless hordes of other nice guys.

It's not the girls who are the problem, it's you.