Whats the harshest advice you know?

Some people are just bad at being people, and no one will love them "for themselves" because their actual self is intensely unattractive.

It's your fault and the only thing you accomplish by denying it is putting yourself further behind.
Everything is. And if you want to sit there and fight that go ahead, but the literal only thing you're guaranteed to change on this planet is yourself.

Don't take that from yourself.

Everything dies, decays or otherwise fades into nothingness. Nothing lasts.

In the end, nobody really cares about your thoughts

Learn from suffering.

SOMEBODY PROVE HIM WRONG PLEASE

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For Jow Forums specifically?
You're not special and you deserve nothing.
That would answer probably 70% of the posts

I lost my virginity at 28
#gottem

I can't. It's out of principle at this point. I can't stop.

>1 more year to redeem myself

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My advice is too strong for you, op

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But shopekeep, I am riding into town tomorrow and I need your strongest advice!

You can't afford to not love yourself and be a little selfish because nobody else is watching out for you more than themselves.

You can't handle my advice. It's too strong for you

This is wrong, I lost my virginity at 22 and it was literally all up from there

A lot of your apparent problems are actually your actual problems transferred onto something else since it's less painful. For example, how do I get GF, is actually a transferrance of, how do I integrate into society without losing my childish ways.

Even though it isn't your fault you are depressed you are still the only one who can get yourself out of it.

The positive side is that you can still get some help but they can't just make it go away.

Go on user...

I mean this is basic Freud stuff. Look at pic related, find the transferrance, and tell me what painful discussion our society is avoiding.

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>The reason people don't like you is because you never stop fucking whining about how people don't like you.

I've met SO many people (men) who do this shit. Not just "Boohoo, women don't want me." but in a general sense of not having any friends.

Protip: It's because you're a fucking downer.

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If you are fat most of your problems will be solved by losing weight.

Ok. I can accept that that is probably true. Now what is to be done? What is the advice?

There is nothing you can do to stop the unending march of time

>It's because you're a fucking downer.
So people are only interested in being entertained?

>things that never happend the post

If you want gf or girls. You need, to have a decent fashion sense, some guys can be fat and have a cute gf but most men feel usually most confidence when lean or simply not fat. You can be confident as fuck fat guy who's charismatic and get a cute gf. Know your ceiling will be that. As long as your face isn't deformed, you can get cute or hot girls.
You don't have to be the most handsome man in the world.
Just know not every cute or hot girl will be into you. If she doesn't flirt back it's ok, don't take it to heart. It's ok to have female friends. Just don't be a doormat/white knight who is needy and has no balls. You can respectful without being an asshole and you can be nice without kissing/worshipping her ass. Only to get an 8 or plus as a fat guy. You're going to have to give her an affluent lifestyle or straight up pay for sex.

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Next if you have a good fashion sense and confidence covered. You need to be able to read social cues for example like when she's flirting with you and/or putting herself in a position where she is in your view and wants you to break the ice.
Status and confidence helps you get women who are above average and beyond if you're a 5 or 6. I'm not talking gold diggers or sugar babies. Because usually having expensive nice stuff gives the individual supreme confidence.
Men who have a luxurious car, expensive clothing, etc. Struggle with women are either out of shape or have other insecurities.
Confident men don't get butthurt by rejection and go through trial and error in meeting/dealing with women. Also are social, the internet is fun but don't make it your domain.
Dating coaches on YouTube can help if you're clueless. Alpha M and Tripp Advice can be helpful.
Enjoy life young men, don't waste it on insecurity and misery.

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Also if you have masturbation and/or porn addiction. Please stop or maintain it in moderation if it's possible. That fucks up your reward system in your brain, reason you don't feel confident enough nor desire to organically meet women and make friends. Always room for self improvement. If you're awkward start socializing more. You have low self esteem, just become what is ideally the best you. Confidence and charisma you build from self improvement will come.
That's all.

Stop clinging to the image you have of yourself.

Don't ever talk to a girl who says she just has a friend.

You arent special.

If people don't like you or don't socialize with you a lot. Your attitude and choice of tone/words may be the problem. If not you may be awkward/socially retarded. Don't feel bad or different if you are diagnosed with Asperger's or autism. You simply need to learn social cues and try to be polite and considerate.

You can always do better

For me, it's the fact that you have to be nice to everyone and never criticize despite pretty much no one else doing the same. If you want people to like and respect you anyway. I'm too ready to just say yeah fuck this person at the slightest annoyance

sometimes you have to lose everything to finally change

Its not harsh unless you live in USA i guess.

> and never criticize
Wrong, you HAVE to criticize, BUT only when you feel that its productive criticism and person can use it to improve.

I had a friend who started hes singing carer, everyone among our friends said "OMG you are soo perfect, you sound amazing." When in reality he sounded like shit. So to prevent him from humiliating himself in front of bunch of people who doesnt know him i told him the truth.

I didnt say "you suck at singing" but i told him that he should improve more before going on a stage. I describet what exacly i didnt like and what i did like.

You see real friends arent afraid to tell people they care about the truth. It actually shows that you care about them.

Story time?

Absolutely these. They’ll resent the shit out of you for it, but only in the way a toddler resents you for not letting them break your favourite guitar.

You are not your brother’s keeper and some drowning people will drag you under with them to stay afloat.

My mother begs to differ, good sir...

the truth is in the bible

Well the advice is that the second part of the equation is different for everyone, and it takes a lot of soul-searching and self-redpilling to get to the bottom of what painful truths you're hiding from. Your reluctance to grow up or integrate into this (admittedly poor) society is one angle, the other angle is that you're actually afraid of succeeding and finding out that having a GF is not all that you imagine it to be ...

A great deal of what happens around you is out of your control. i.e., how other people behave. It's not your "fault" bad shit happens, but you are responsible for making it better, because it's likely nobody but yourself cares.

I like to think of it that its more like you can illuminate one's path in life even when you can't make them walk

Came here to post this. Unless you make people care no one gives a shit at all

This is one of those things that can be turned around though. It's the same when people say stuff like "nobody cares about you but yourself" or "nobody owes you anything". YOU don't owe anyone anything either. YOU don't have to care about other people. YOU don't have to care about the thoughts or feelings of others.

I feel like this stuff isn't entirely true though. If someone really does care about you, they will want to know what you're thinking, feeling, etc. It's rare, but I at least have one friend who cares enough to ask and then listen. Don't confuse people not constantly checking up on you with them "not caring", but if they're really aloof and disinterested when you talk, it's also a big sign.

As someone who didnt get laid until 27, married 32, fuck you satan.

Unless you are an IRL retard. Then you're *real* special.

I was an atypical incel until I was 25.
Went to work, went home, played video games, watched porn then went to sleep.
Was skinny fat, didn't dress well, always looked tired, never went out.
Got some sound advice, sold my gaming computer which I spent 90% of my free time on.
Started a step my step process of exercise and diet.
Started going to different group activities so I would be forced to socialize.
Took me 3 years of years of self improvement til I impressed a girl enough that she'd have sex with me.

Do you have sex more often now? Is she or someone else your girlfriend?

Yeah I do.
The girl I lost my virginity to I didn't really see very long.
It was mostly me being pretty desperate to get my dick wet than being into the her.
I met my current girlfriend a couple years ago and we moved in together just a few months ago.

If by twenty-one you mean eighteen.
>le troll
No. You grew up a loser and that's all you'll ever be.

An excuse to absolve yourself of guilt when not feeling like helping out.

lost mine at 23, if that gives you any hope, might not count though, idk

I think you mean 16.

If a girl didn't blow you in the bathroom at her sweet 16 party why even live

Most of the time, the reason for your failures is your own.

You can blame schools, you can blame the girls/boys, you can blame your friends and you can blame your job.

But most of the time, it's your fault. You were too scared to try. So you never tried. Now you're working a remedial job as an adult, not saving any money, with no health relationships.

Life is a series of chores.

Bbuut, my childhood traumas.

I mean maybe but if you think that most governments and institutions are specifically designed to keep certain people down and to keep some people rich; and if you think that the medical field in most countries is developed, funded, and properly staffed to address people’s ailments; then I want to move to wherever the fuck you live

*if you think that governments... ARENT keeping you down

"Our existence is as meaningless as this advice."

That im my biggest problem.

>21
It's 30 until you reach wizardry you damn newfag

>Not being molested as a kid
Virgin

>Stop being so honest. People don't like honesty.

I'm a brainlet, please explain.

Sixteen is average for those of whom want to go out and fuck once boy or girl crazy, but by eighteen you have to wonder why it's taking so many years into puberty? Past HS you lose so many social connections that you lack the environment to lose it, that's why eighteen.

Jow Forums isn't that useful.

Can you explain what the advice you were given was? Specifically? What was your motivation? Your situation before is like literally my life now. I'm so tired of being unmotivated and exhausted all the time. PLS

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Do your work right now.

Get rid of your fucking computer, idiot, and stop procrastinating.
t. not that user
t. [spoiler]literally you[/spoiler]

Essentially the more you have to offer, the more success you'll have with women.

A relationship between a guy and girl is like a balanced equation.
I'm kind of hesitant to give this example because it's literally objectifying, but it's the easiest way to get incels to understand.

But basically you have to think of your pros and cons as desirability stat points.
Are you fit? If you are, then that's + desirability.
Are you fat? That's negative.
Funny, good personality, dress well. + points. Some more than other.

Fat, chinlet, passive aggressive, needy. - points.

The key is to maximize your points. The more points you have, the easier it is to have a girl give you a chance.

But it all starts with hard work and dedication.
Distractions will fuck you. You're essentially trying to unfuck 20+ years of you being a fuck up. That's not going to happen overnight. It's a long and arduous journey.

Anyone have the twitch clip of this? I'd love to see the chat blow up at this revelation.

>just don't be a procrastinator.
Come on, I am clearly asking what got off his ass.

I fit your earlier description to a T. What was your underlying motivations/reasons for changing? That's what I'm really looking for. Thanks for responding btw.

Let go.

When I got a new job, I moved to trendy neighborhood which was by the trendy shopping center.
The concentration of beautiful people there was staggering and it made me feel really, really lonely.

I talked with one of my friends from high school who was just like me, and he cleaned up his act throughout college and became a social butterfly.
He told me the main thing is I HAD to get rid of my gaming hardware because the temptation of distraction and escapism is too much for people like us.

But other than getting rid of distractions, is you need to improve your life with baby steps.
You don't need to change your diet from McDonalds every day to kale salads and smoothies the next.
First, just try cutting out sugary drinks. Then go from McDonalds every, to every other day.
Learn to cook, and when you do cook. Use chicken and fish for your protein. Not ham and beef. Cooking classes is also a great way to learn to socialize.

As for working out. Going to the gym is a lot better than working out from home. The gym has a working environment, and makes it easier to stay on task. Home is for relaxing so trying to work out at him makes it hard to stay motivated.
Start by working out 3 times a week, and don't forget to do your cardio. Cardio doesn't always mean jog for 2 miles. Go out to your local parks and walk. Walking is great cardio and relaxing.
If you can afford it, try getting a personal trainer. He'll set you up with a routine and learning proper form. And after that, if possible, try to get a workout buddy. A workout buddy does wonders to get you to push yourself. When working out, it's the last couple reps that you can barely push through that gives you the most results.

Thanks dude. I really appreciate it.

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Oh. And also drink a gallon of water(outside of the fluids you drink during meals) every day

In a sense, in a deeper relationship between people (romantic or not) people will search for support, advice, someone who listens and discusses stuff.

However, a superficial friendship will want to be entartained, someone who is fun to hang out with.

The reality is you will always have to be likable on a superficial level to be able to get on a deeper aspect of a relationship. No matter how good of a person or how great of a friend you might be, if you are not likable on a superficial level to at least a small amount of people, they are never going to see that part of you.

So no, people are not ONLY interested in being entertained, but its also true that NO ONE wants to hang out with someone who is a downer (at least, not at the start).

so your advice is to spend even more time on the internet to learn about life? dude guys like me need ACTUAL experience like in real life tho are you jewish or something?

Is 27 too late to start?
It probably doesn't help I don't have a job, and can't afford shit like a gym membership.

but jews dude

no offense but this is pure trash dude! you don’t need to feed the gymjew all you need is barbells and dumbells and there are all the exercises all over the world in youtube! and cardio? dude are you gay or something fucking jew

Expecting Life to treat you well because you are a good person is like expecting a tiger to not attend you because you are vegan

>just stop doing things you love and start doing things you hate lol

>HAD to get rid of my gaming hardware
or just decrease amount of time you spend gaming from 12 hours a day to 2 and increase “outside” activity. why gotta be so drastic.

Easier said than done when you have a gaming addiction

Never take advice from tripfags

there’s no addiction involved. it’s simply lack of discipline. take it easy - each day or week try to go offline 15 minutes earlier until you reach your goal time.