Not from the US, but it surprises me every time, why is the most progressive and "free" so to say country in the world criminalizes something as basic as prostitutes? And why hasn't it still been changed?
I get that there's girls who are forced into it and that should be dealt with, but what's wrong with girls who choose to work like that?
It just blows my mind how it still hasn't been changed? The whole idiot gangster culture comes from the US, rockstar culture, fashion business, crazy internet feminist movement but prostitutes are illegal? WTF?
>why is the most progressive and "free" The US was founded by puritans and has always been weird about sex. Even today the sex education in many parts of America is as bad as in many third world countries.
>I get that there's girls who are forced into it and that should be dealt with, but what's wrong with girls who choose to work like that? I'm not against legal prostitution, not at all. Keeping it illegal offers other challenges and at least this way the girls have legal protection. But prostitution is a nasty, seedy business that attracts crime. I live in the Netherlands, we've had legal prostitution for a LONG time, it's still a seedy business full of human trafficking.
The demand for girls willing to fuck for cash is just much higher than the amount of reasonably pretty, reasonably thin, reasonably young women willing to comply. Yeah yeah there's a handful of sex positive "this is just what I love to do" types but for most women this is a desperation move. Either they do it because they're addicted to drugs or because they have debts or something and then once in the business they get addicted to drugs.
Being a whore is not a profession like any other. Your body is more than the vessel for your brain. Having a lot of sex that repulses you, being vulnerable with a (drunk? high?) strange man who scares you, casual degradation etc wears a person out emotionally. It damages their ability to enjoy their own sexuality and fall in love. It can also be an issue that they start associating hoarse lustful voices and panting etc with the disgust or despair they felt at work. But if you can't deal with a horny man you can't have a relationship.
This is still ignoring the stigma when wanting to find another job in the future, the risk of catching something, how it distorts your relationship with your body to have to evaluate yourself as a product that needs to be good enough rather than trying to accept yourself with imperfections at all.
Cooper Rodriguez
>if I don't like it it's the Americans' fault You're an idiot. I remember being in Europe when Bush was president; folks would criticize the United States for not being "progressive" enough and try to tell Americans they needed to be more like forward thinking, democratic socialist Europe. But now, Europeans have changed their mind about "progress." Instead assuming any responsibility for the downsides of their own actions, they've collectively decided to absolve themselves by pinning everything on the Americans.The actual realities America's culture, it's historical context, and relationship with the outside world are inconsequential. At the end of the day, idiotic Europeans, like you, will find ways to connect things in their life they dislike to the United States and its people.
/rant
Colton Peterson
>The demand for girls willing to fuck for cash is just much higher than the amount of reasonably pretty, reasonably thin, reasonably young women willing to comply. Yeah yeah there's a handful of sex positive "this is just what I love to do" types but for most women this is a desperation move. Either they do it because they're addicted to drugs or because they have debts or something and then once in the business they get addicted to drugs.
>Being a whore is not a profession like any other. Your body is more than the vessel for your brain. Having a lot of sex that repulses you, being vulnerable with a (drunk? high?) strange man who scares you, casual degradation etc wears a person out emotionally. It damages their ability to enjoy their own sexuality and fall in love. It can also be an issue that they start associating hoarse lustful voices and panting etc with the disgust or despair they felt at work. But if you can't deal with a horny man you can't have a relationship.
Well yes, you're right, but I just can't believe it's illegal for moral reasons? The US has done so much fucked up shit to other countries and it's own citizens, hell in some states you can murder someone who tresspasses in your house and get away with it. Compared to other countries where prostitution is either legal or in a grey area, that's crazy, if you kill someone no matter the circumstances you're going to prison.
William Edwards
In the red light district there's emergency buttons girls can push because for them a bad customer is not someone who's rude or dismissive but someone who wants to hurt/kill them. Even if something like that never happens if you work there you know there's a reason that button needs to be there, you hear the stories from other girls, and so on. It is a rough place where people gather who had other plans for their life. If you want to more or less manage to live it for some time you have almost no choice but to emotionally harden yourself and that can't just be undone when it's not necessary anymore.
Pimps are a huge problem. Still not rid of pimps even though we try to check on girls. They are threatened into lying about their living conditions, they are told they will be locked up for being in the country illegal if they are honest and so on. Pimps get more cruel and creative. Instead of beating a woman up to get her to comply and ruining the product until she's healed up, they will get a woman they moved into the country a lap dog that she'll bond with like crazy in her loneliness, and then if she says no they threaten to hurt/kill the dog to get her to say yes. These are worst case scenarios of course but worst case scenarios we are still unable to prevent from happening at times.
Even the best case scenarios aren't great. I'm sure if you're a pretty white rich woman it can be superexciting to rent yourself out to some rich man of your choosing for a night a month. But a girl hiring a window has to deal with insults, middle fingers, flashing phones, weird dances, people staring with zero shame - basically being treated like they are not human - all day by drunk tourists and then they need to fuck drunk tourists who get assblasted being told they need to wear a condom.
Also if you're a man reading this don't go to a window if you want to get a hooker in Amsterdam, research and get a brothel, they are tourist traps anyway.
Charles Turner
We just took down backpage and craigslist personals to make it illegal again, though it already was we have escorts legally. The christians chimped out and used the FBI and Trumpf to attack hookers here, unless you're rich of course then I'm sure they still get their escorts. You know, people as rich as Trumpff can just go over seas anyway, so they have no reason to witch hunt richies over it.
The things politicians do for votes. It's to get christfaggot votes to be crystal. No one really cares or they'd make mandatory monogamy.
Feminism does play a part though. They want to retard rage at the idea that some women are good for nothing but their sex appeal. Feminists obviously would rage about that.
Joshua Ross
I know this is a tired old cliche but look at your movies. You can show graphic, gratuitous violence with slow motion shots of gushing blood and glimpses of intestines and everyone is fine with this. A woman shows her boobs and that's an issue and people go around saying "it's just not NECESSARY to have nudity in this movie". As an outsider it doesn't surprise me at all.
Apart from morality though, it's also just a pain in the ass to make sure a crime scene doesn't arise around brothels, the men that want to work in that industry are not usually the nicest, most law abiding guys either.
Elijah Cox
>the most free >highest prison rates You don't know shit about the USA by the by to add to my last post. I cannot believe the naivety. Only USA citizens are supposed to be so indoctrinated that they think we are the best and it even doesn't work on us. Different lifestyles, personalities, ethics, mean you prefer different countries. It is misfortune to be unable to choose who's side you get to be on.
Kevin Wright
>why is the most progressive and "free" so to say country
It's really not though
Colton Nelson
Shut the fuck up
Ethan Walker
Pimps protect hookers blue piller.
Julian Miller
I can't recall a single time anyone in all twenty-eight years of my life has referred to the USA as progressive. "Free" is usually the argument US citizens give you; most everyone else will give you an actual discussion.
As for prostitution, eh... the way American pop culture works, you'd see an overwhelming number of girls making money off their cooch. America is a very money-and-sex-centric country, undeniably so, and I can't think anything that is more money-and-sex-centric than prostitution, my man.
It's a slippery slope, in a tldr. Once they do that, they can't undo that. We recently opened the doors to cannabis being legal in Canada and now the booze industry is shitting itself because not even 6 months later it's already biting into their profits. They're worried this is a trend, not a result.
Ryder Kelly
In theory yes.
Elijah Turner
last post was
Didn't realize the thread had this much velocity.
Jose Barnes
So do our police, in theory.
Tyler Young
>gets beaten, raped, robbed, and sometimes killed by the pimp >”pimps protect hookers”
Colton Foster
For police protection it does help if what you're doing yourself isn't illegal. That's one of the main reasons why I'm still not against legal prostitution, that you otherwise pretty much leave women to be raped by policemen without having a leg to stand on.
Hunter Evans
imagine advocating this degeneracy culture isn't the same as law
Michael Wilson
see We have evil police we pay for protection that do all the bad things pimps can do. Power corruption is power corruption. Titles matter not, only the relationships. Pay for protection, literally the mobsters we did that for and they literally psychologically profile the same as our police officers studies say.
Do you wish for no policemen?
Dylan Lopez
>We recently opened the doors to cannabis being legal in Canada and now the booze industry is shitting itself because not even 6 months later it's already biting into their profits.
what
Bentley Jones
You guys have state liquor stores, that is the end result of only having one means of selling to the public.
Ethan Nelson
The difference is that all kinds of people for all kinds of reasons want to become a police officer. It's pretty telling for a man's disposition/background that he feels drawn to becoming a pimp and it is rare for a man like that to not already be a criminal.
Christopher Lopez
I know it's not the most progressive place, and of course I don't know that much about the US; I've never been there.
But it's undeniably the most influential country in the world, the biggest most successful musician acts I know are from the US, same with movies, same with tech, social media, food chains, feminist movements, the hood culture that's so popular amongst kids even in Europe right now, etc etc
Levi Green
Illegal is relative. They attack you because they have power over you. They attack you because they are above you.
No difference between the two scenarios.
Also, why would police not rape the women now? What makes you think they don't already?
Are you really this stupid? Pimps raping hookers was a feminist meme. They WANTED them raped and kidnapped by the males they have sex with. Why they took backpage and such down is so there is no trace of who kidnapped the escort. They hate them, the law does.
Nathan Russell
In the USA the only reason you become a police officer is to sadistically fuck with people. They only arrest blacks and druggies and give people speeding tickets despite going the flow of traffic. They are bullies for hire. A pimp is some chill guy that wants to be around sex all day rather than cause people a bad day all his life constantly. One after another. A cop does nothing but attack attack attack rather than drive a girl around to make sure some guy doesn't get wise and try not to pay her (and him).
Angel Williams
>Also, why would police not rape the women now? Because unless you believe in a huge conspiracy, the woman can go to another police officer and file a report and her being raped will be treated like a crime rather than her being a prostitute.
>Are you really this stupid? Pimps raping hookers was a feminist meme. It's not, plenty of women who got away have testified. I'm sure it differs from region to region but again, prostitution is legal here. If prostitution is illegal then a pimp has a clear purpose/function and indeed needs to compensate for the lack of legal protection. Where I live a pimp basically needs to intimidate girls into believing they need them despite them having a much different legal position and already working in a place with a security system and what not. Not to mention pimps/loverboys are at times involved in some form of human trafficking.
I don't know what the situation is like in your country but I definitely know mine.
Christopher Richardson
I, too, wish sweeping assumptions made everything I said correct.
Alas, Anonymous. They do not.
Definitely the most influential but I stand by saying that they simply prefer to deal with the problems it brings being illegal, than the problems it would bring being legal.
Personally, I don't really have much of an opinion. I guess if it became legal, I'd want the insurance that it's well-protected and equally-lauded and not just 'it's legal, but it's still going to burn down every bridge you try to cross as soon as it comes up,' but then I might be asking for a bit much.
Suffice it to say, the reason America keeps it illegal is probably little more than stubbornness and poor education, combined with has-beens and too-olds being in power-- America's politics are fucking atrocious and godawful at best, and an absolute self-destructing mess at worst, as far as I can tell. And that's nothing to do with The Drumpfsterfire, that's everything to do with the fact that any decision made has to pass under noses that will turn up if it threatens to take their power or profits away.
Lincoln Scott
>We recently opened the doors to cannabis being legal in Canada and now the booze industry is shitting itself because not even 6 months later it's already biting into their profits. They're worried this is a trend, not a result. yeah that's why we sell booze at grocery stores and also have booze delivery now, it evened out plus, legal weed is expensive
Liam Thomas
Because Jesus.
Jacob Cox
Not the leaf you were replying to but that's not entirely accurate.
In my province at least yeah most of the alcohol is sold in the state-run store BUT you can still buy beer and wine and like kiddy meme alcohol at grocery stores and convenience stores or even costco. So yeah for hard liquor it's in the state store but any other alcohol you can buy next to hot dog buns.
It absolutely blew my mind when I heard that it was for the most part illegal in the states and they even had things like "dry counties"
This is also the first time I heard anything about our legal weed cutting into alcohol's profit, sounds like fake news.
Brayden Rivera
>another pimp Problem solved. >implying human trafficking has ever been a problem If laws go away people still have ethics. There are no sex slave outbreaks in history.
Sociopathy is rare in any country. WIthout sociopathic rings you won't have illegal and cruel sex trafficking. It's a spook to make a country say YES to surveillance so they can ban you jaywalking, an excuse to give you a ticket in the mail for scratching your ass without washing your hand first a hundred years from now. Etc.They just want absolute power over peasants and to stop drugs and hookers you need absolute surveillance . That's all this kind of bullshit is really about is the rich using you as a toy.
The US isn't the free-est country despite popular belief, there's plenty of civil and economical liberties which the US doesn't provide due to their bloated government and two state system. Also, prostitution isn't federally ilegal, it's a state choice. There are US states where prostitution is legal, this just happens NOT to be the norm for most states in the USA.
Colton Powell
two party* system
Both democrats and republicans get the bullet to be honest.
Samuel Hernandez
>There are no sex slave outbreaks in history. You can't be serious. You really think all those twelve year old Thai girls just looove to suck off middle aged men? What world do you live in? Just because they aren't hidden away in a camp with hundreds together doesn't mean they don't exist.
You know, I don't want to blame people for being ignorant but if you are not trolling you should be ashamed for making sweeping statements like this when a simple fucking google search could've shown you data on human trafficking.
Christian Martinez
I'm one of the guys you replied to, and neither me nor the two other guys were saying that America isn't a major cultural influencer.
As far as their actual freedom and even quality of life? It's actually really bad.
Xavier Roberts
>Not from the US, but it surprises me every time, why is the most progressive and "free" so to say country in the world criminalizes something as basic as prostitutes? And why hasn't it still been changed? America was founded on religious values. As it grew, many of these were incorporated into the law. Practically speaking, prostitution encourages depravity within a society. It converts what is supposed to be a monogamous sexual act into a casual business transaction, devaluing the concept of love.
There's a bunch of tangentially related reasons, ranging from crime to drug abuse, but those are more related to prohibition itself. The spread of disease among the population would also explode, exponentially increasing the chances of creating drug resistant strains of Gonorrhea and the like. Do you think Flu season is bad? Imagine sleeping with a person who's had close contact with every other sick fucker in your local town.
>dry counties Wanna know a secret to put into perspective our absolute prude status? Only Oregon and Nevada (of which has legal prostitution in the desert, Nevada) has both legal recreational weed and no laws that allow for a dry country to be made. Only those two states have those two things in common.
It's hilarious. Hilarious that people think the country respects freedom when it's literally only two states that you can cross reference that over and Nevada's ass doesn't count for obvious capitalistically corrupt gamglin' reasons. They are the one state with legal hookers after all, Nevada doesn't count.
There are other states with no dry county laws but they have no legal weed too. Just figured people would find this an interesting fact that it's just Oregon's based self.
I'm a venting FL that is still mad you get five years for diviner's sage here, higher than the rest of the USA, another random interesting fact about no fun allowed laws varying. In Oregon of course they export salvia in contrast.
Jace Edwards
You really think those twelve year old Thai girls would rather go hungry?
Ethics are relative. India has the largest sex child industry by the by. They are starving and their people are many. The children die if they don't get used as sex objects. If you were that child ask yourself what you would do for life itself?
As India gets westernized their children will die.
Alexander Taylor
>The spread of disease among the population would also explode Countries with legal prostitution aren't exploding with disease. Just the opposite. Making it legal and at the same time having a social infrastructure that allows for free health services prevents diseases from spreading around.
It's when you ban prostitution and don't provide health care services for citizens that diseases run rampant, as it does in the US where prostitution is illegal.
Parker Cook
Well to make you feel a little better I guess, I used to smoke Salvia all the time back in the 2000s but it was made illegal some years ago in Canada as well.
Weed is nice enough, but I miss having my consciousness ripped out of my body and stuffed up god's asshole as Salvia does.
Mason Watson
First of all we're talking about kids that don't exactly make independent decisions but are usually sold by their parents. Secondly yes, I think a given child unless just about starving would prefer to give it time and try to steal or do other work over getting fucked by a grown man.
Also this is arguing semantics at this point but while not exactly the same thing I don't see a huge difference between outright human trafficking and giving a child the choice between dying or servicing men. It's not exactly a choice at that point - still disregarding that it's usually still adults calling the shots.
Liam Russell
All humans make independent decisions. They can kill themselves if they don't want to live in a sex industry to survive. That's not how life works though, if you were open minded to realise it. There are far worse things that can happen to you than being raised to be a sex object.
What you are is using virtue signalling to stop free thought and freedom in genera of which I resent. The mind game you play ends in less rights not for children but for adults.
>tfw it's for the children meant to post the one you are thinking of but couldn't find the stamped snake with text 'it's for the children'.
Not an argument, actual idiot. Don't come on this website if you don't want your mind getting opened. If no bad cops exist then no bad pimps exist is the point of that post.
How you feel about cops and pimps is entirely up to you, but people are going to be people either way.
>Countries with legal prostitution aren't exploding with disease. Being in close contact with another sick person dramatically increases the chances of infection. By having sex with a prostitute, you are also exposing yourself to every other person he/she has slept with, making them highly virulent. I'm not only talking about STD's. >Making it legal and at the same time having a social infrastructure that allows for free health services prevents diseases from spreading around. Government mandated healthcare is a meme and a resource like any other. If you spread it too thin across a large populace then it becomes ineffective at treating diseases efficiently.
Jose Diaz
>There are far worse things that can happen to you than being raised to be a sex object. I hope you live long enough to realize this is an incredibly disrespectful and arrogant thing to say. Yes of course seeing both your mom and dad get eaten in front of you while someone pushes lit cigarettes into your arms is no doubt worse but people are different and many people grow into irrevocably damaged adults over a lot less than that fate.
>free thought and freedom in genera Well that's quite the ambition. You can think whatever you want but I sure as fuck disapprove. You want to think you are a free spirit with a nimble mind moving regardless of cultural constraints. But really you are just rationalizing some very ugly sides of this world so you can tell yourself it all works out in its own perfect order. I'm not going to pretend I lift a finger to make the life of anyone in some shithole situation better but at least I don't tell myself it's all for the best.
William Martin
that's the opposite of what makes sense
Eli Rogers
If a woman has sex with sexless losers why would that make an STD explosion when society has slutty culture in the first place?
Are you implying despite countries having free healthcare that prostitutes are going to be so frequent a thing that it will damage the economy?
They were going to starve anyway. It's not harsh to remind you that you imply DEATH is preferable to letting an old man fuck you as a child.
You're the harsh one, you're just too small minded to know it.
Dominic Walker
Data please deactivate your emotion chip. There's a big difference between having a slutty culture and turning sluts into a state sanctioned commodity. Prostitutes don't serve a single demographic, and not every country is Sweden.
Aaron Martin
There's a huge, huge difference between acknowledging few fates are worse than death and being content leaning back concluding that at least someone's horrible youth is better than being dead.
Julian Roberts
Pedophiles are only one percent of all males so it's inane virtue signalling meant to strawman anyone that thinks that the rules should be more lax.
What of the suffering caused to the adults that break rules that end up in cages that did no wrong? You could end up caged for years over consenting adults just because of random virtue signalling, pimps raping, children getting raped, random small instances those are just so things can stay illegal so masses of adults can get arrested for no real reason.
The type of person that wants to free criminals that committed victimless crimes from jail is a pedophile is what you turned the argument into.
You could not be any more American. You're supposed to be the best country with the best economy and can't figure out healthcare
William Mitchell
It's the 'fuck you I've got mine' country. That's why it's the (((greatest))).
Jason Ward
We did figure out healthcare. As it turns out, if you attempt to socialize what should be a privatized service, the government fucks everything up.
Dylan Hughes
>The spread of disease among the population would also explode
Coming from a country where it's legal I can tell you that this is not the case, we have very low STD rates here, this is more about education.
Tyler Hill
prostitution is disgusting and degenerates enabling it ought to be beaten
Nolan Stewart
>rap and country is disgusting and the degenerates enabling it ought to be beaten
This is what you sound like except rap and country actually effect you more than someone fucking for money whilst we are slutty anyway. It'd be a minority that use them and they'd do it behind closed doors. *subwoofers in the distance*
Also, christianity is degenerate and etc etc because I"m sick of them knocking on my door and protesting in front of family planning clinics. They are guilty of blatant harassment. There are many things worse than hooking.
People love excuses. In reality most people don't use hookers, only the most desperate of men would pass it to themselves that would get no sex otherwise, through the whore that is going to be slutty and have STDs in the first place. If anything having sex with virginistic men as a slut would benefit the slut as the STDs would logically not increase if they're having sex with men that cannot get any sex.
>he doesn't get how the data plays out No pun intended.
It's easier to ban it then to deal with underage girls being abused, trafficked, and using prostitution for revenue if they're underage. It's a lazy system, but it's about trying to keep young girls protected from rape, STDs, and pregnancy.
Jason Campbell
> something as basic as prostitutes Its illegal in most of the world including most of Europe.
David Reed
it's almost like the US isn't particularly progressive or free, never has been, and is this way by design.
Dylan Murphy
>But now, Europeans have changed their mind about "progress."
who? they're pushing back at immigration and political correctness not legal prostitution or liberal drug laws
Jack Ramirez
False. It's legal or not illegal in most of the world including most of Europe.
Camden Martinez
Don't feed the teenager Jow Forums virgin.
Luis Thompson
It's nowhere as illegal as it is in America. Maybe in Muslim countries it might be even more
Adrian Cox
>just ban sex and porn to avoid abuse of children >ban drugs, movies, video games, junk food, going outside at night >ban it all
see image
Nicholas Miller
Citation needed.
Hunter Campbell
>We did figure out healthcare. As it turns out, if you attempt to socialize what should be a privatized service, the government fucks everything up.
Really cause I'm not American and I'm sitting here with universal healthcare and it's great.
Julian Green
> hell in some states you can murder someone who tresspasses in your house and get away with it.
What's wrong with self-defense? It would be insane to prosecute someone for killing in self-defense, once someone breaks into your house, you have no idea how the situation will end.
Christian Reed
>>hey >>HEY GUY >>I need help my daughter needs CPR >goes int doorway >bang >>they always fall for it hehehehe >don't know the guy so stand your ground law applies even if unarmed say cell thought was gun alternatively >meet faggot via grindr with fake information >he goes into house >kill fag >>DEUS VULT >microwave his cell >call cops on nigger and say broke in >he's black because USA get away with everything if put black market gun in the nigger's hand before cops show up
It was until around the time feminism came about. We had brothels, low sex age of consent or no age of consent even, legal drugs, etc. Then the turn of the twentieth happened and everything got real fucking serious suddenly along with females getting political power.
>In reality most people don't use hookers, only the most desperate of men would pass it to themselves that would get no sex otherwise
That sounds like what someone would think who only knows prostitution from american movies and tv shows. The reality is much different. I've worked as a driver for a brothel for a few months after I finished trade school and what those girls told me about their job was sometimes very different from what I've expected. First, there are men of all ages visiting prostitutes. And many of them are married or live in a relationship. Some men do it because they're just too old and therefore too ugly to get a decent looking woman. Some because they have weird fetishes no woman would be willing to voluntarily participate in, so they pay prostitutes for it (I've heard all kinds of stories, from BDSM and penis cages to diapers etc) Some men are visiting them because they're just socially inept or unwillig to get a girlfriend Many young men, mostly age 20-30 are visiting them because they don't want the hassle of hours of talking a girl into sleeping with them, when they just want to relieve themselfes quickly. Some regular customers who visit them weekly use them as some kind of substitute for a real relationship. It's a shady business and sometimes there are drugs involved, that's true, many girls do poppers, some do cocaine occasionally. But it's not dirty and certainly not STD ridden. The women are very aware of STD's and they'll make sure you're wearing a condom.
Charles Adams
>most people don't use hookers That's why it's been one of the oldest businesses, of course. Because most people don't use them.
I get that you're just baiting for (You)s, I just thought I'd point out the glaring, smoking fallacy running straight through the center of your disappointing post
Elijah Taylor
>owning firearms is not only legal, but actively encouraged and vehemently defended >sex is present in just about every form of marketing and media >simply paying for sex is illegal because of reasons >you can drive a 2 ton death trap at 16 years of age and go get killed in war at 18 years of age, but you must be 21 years of age to drink
Really makes you think.
Logan Kelly
>sex is present in just about every form of marketing and media >simply paying for sex is illegal because of reasons
Exactly
>you can drive a 2 ton death trap at 16 years of age and go get killed in war at 18 years of age, but you must be 21 years of age to drink
That blows my mind too, and to think that some insane fuckers probably have followed the law and didn't drink until 21, fucking hell, I just recently became 21, started drinking & partying with my friends since I was 13 almost 14, peaking at 17-18, and to think that some people are just getting started now, that's insane
Ian Powell
This.
America's freedom is only available to those with the money to afford it.
Nicholas Rogers
Prove it.
Of which is all to do with nepotism despite our forefathers wanting no classes.
