What do you think the world would be like right now if the Greeks went West after Conquering the East instead of squabbling among themselves after Alexanders death?
Rome and Carthage were ripe for the taking, there were already Greek settlements and bases near them.
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You have to consider, The Macedonians couldn't challenge the Gauls.
Pedos would be normies
I think the world would be a more peaceful, enlightened place to live in right now. The Ottomans and others never would have ventured further west themselves, and the influence of Muslim fanaticism would have been far more contained in the decades to follow.
After Alexander with no clear succesor it would be unlikely that they wouldn't collapse but for the sake of argument if the Greeks went westward the world would be considerably different but not exactly really alien because the Greek and Roman religion and their culture was pretty similar.
I don't see the Greeks expanding in Gaul as hard as the Romans did I'd sees the Greeks kinda keeping the empire on the Mediterranean coast Instead of venturing as far north as England
>I think the world would be a more peaceful, enlightened place to live in right now. The Ottomans and others never would have ventured further west themselves, and the influence of Muslim fanaticism would have been far more contained in the decades to follow.
>American
Ah I see
All of the west would have to pay debts?
What is the evidence the Carthaginians had a colony in France, let alone inland and not on the coast?
The Diadochi ruined greece and alexanders legacy. They were that reason greece fell to roman occupation in the first place.
Alexander should have procured an heir earlier and the orocle of Delchi should have not valued her life instead of speaking the truth.
Error while on paint, fix it for you, I was looking back and forth from source material of the areas under Greek/Roman/Etruscan/Carthaginian rule.
Probably be pretty similar to the Roman Empire considering Byzantium was basically Greeks LARPing as Romans anyways so wouldn't make much difference.
>implying this couldn't of happened
Alexander didnt go west and neither did his successors because it wasn't worth it. At the time all the major wealth and civilizations were to the east. People often say "hurr durr they couldnt conquer Afghanistan" but that is bullshit meme. They not only conquered afghanistan, but also punjab, most of northern india, modern tajikistan, and even western most reaches of china.
Greeks had no reason to go into barren snowlands filled with forest, no infrastructure, and unproductive lands for farming. They much preferred to go east and conquer valuable trade routes with rich mineral resources. (Remember that much of middle east was more fertile back then.)
This was good because Greeks spread western philosophical concepts to Asia. Did you know buddhism was heavily influenced by greeks and greek philosophy?
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>"Greek monks played a direct role in the upper hierarchy of Buddhism, and in its early dissemination"...."his activities are indicative of the strength of the Hellenistic Greek involvement during the formative centuries of Buddhism... "Greco-Buddhist Kushan monks such as Lokaksema (c.AD 178) travelled to the Chinese capital of Loyang, where they became the first translators of Buddhist scriptures into Chinese.... "five monks from Gandhara travelled to the country of Fusang ("The country of the extreme East" beyond the sea, probably eastern Japan), where they introduced Buddhism:"
more debt.
Islam wouldn't exist, you retard. Neither would Christianity.
This is true.
When Alexander died, he had plans to Hellenize ALL of the Arabia and it tribes. This would of happened 100% if Alexander didn't die, and there would haven ever been Islam, Arabia would have been under Hellenic culture and that would of dashed any chances of Islam ever happening.
Even if he let them be Jews and whatever other shit they believed in, there's no way history would run the same course. Without Roman rule there's no way some preacher called Jesus would be born in the same place, to the same people, and go on to have the same life, and gather the same crowds, etc. And there's no way he'd spread it around Judæa.
The Nanda Army was too big to allow Alexander to advance East further into India. He would've been btfo.
>we dont understand acient history, its implications and see the "greeks" as one unit ITT
It's not that. If Anatolia and Perisa where unified instead of warring with eachother constantly, the dessert nomads would have been far less likely to succeed in conquering their lands. I don't think hewould have been too interested in the Arabian peninsula, it's mostly dessert. What hewould have been interested in would have been the Southern tip near present day Yemen, for protection of shippings from India, Grain from Horn of Africa and the production of Mirre and Frankinscence. And the exclave of Oman for control of the Perisan gulf. For the rest Arabia would be too difficult to get a foothold in and of little importance.
There wasn't really anything worth taking West. It was for the most part forest. Don't forget everything was man powered. I bring that up due to the fact there are records about how the forest would eat villages and farm fields it was a problem.
I don't think much would have changed.
Rome was already back then trying to LARP as greek.
How the hell could the small population of Greeks possibly rule all that for long even if Alexander had lived to 90?
it was a greek penal colony.
It's like the EU
They're good at expanding
But then you have dozens of cultures and ways of doing things lumped in together in one state
And then you have Leftists denigrating those European cultures while extolling and importing third worlder Nigger, Paki and shitskin jihadi cultures.
Homogeneous societies work
People don't want to die for or pay taxes for the benefit of some shitskin Muslim invader who hates you and your people but is happy to suckle at the teat of your welfare system
I mean, even up until the end of the republic, greek culture was almost more important than plebeian latin culture
I suggest you check how the Aitolian Commune btfoed 200k of Vrennus' Gaul.
I just dont understand how the Greeks never just conquered Rome, they had settlements, ports and bases in Italy ready to go for centuries, they could of easily launched an invasion at just had a clean sweep of all of Italy
Most people don't care who rules them as long as taxes are low and crime is low. Its keeping the other .01% happy is the problem. Most of that area was under Persia control anyways and he keep the systems on control in place.
what was Persian religion at the time and was it comparable to Hellenism at all?
"The Greeks" wasn't a thing during that time period. It was city states. There was no top down control of all the peoples of the Greek world. Your avg. joe wouldn't think of themselves as Greeks. It was all about the city state. Once the city state got to powerful the other city states would team up on them. At that time you wouldn't say I"m an American. You would say I'm a New Yorker, I'm a citizen of Boston. And again this was the top of the food chain most where slaves or farmers that just didn't care.
people back then weren't like german drones who wanted to exterminate everyone else
>The Greeks" wasn't a thing during that time period
Yes it was you mong, you weren't allowed to participate in the Olympics unless you were Greek.
Alexanders didn't care what god/gods you had and would make a big deal about following the ceremonies of the local population. When he took Dominion of a location he wouldn't belittle the local population, but took great strides to observe the religion/customs. This pissed off his Greek army all the time.
Stop; it was Greek Culture no a Greek state. There where City states that where considered to be within the Greek sphere. Macedon at the time was considered barbarians
They wanted slaves tho. Labor was hard work. Working in the mines was death.
Dude, the Greeks in Alexanders army influenced the Macedonian core to mutiny. The Macedonians whether or not you agree or disagree them to be Greek, they were at least acting like Greeks, in that they listened and agreed to the Greek Generals & soldiers in Alexanders army, rather than abiding by traditional Macedonian law.
Yes, at that time Macedon upper class was trying very hard to be Greek. But also at the time they where looked down on by the core Greek states.
well rome didnt care for gaul either, except caesar
> after Conquering the East
first conquer debt
Thats because the Macedonian upper class was intermarrying with Greeks. For example, Alexanders mother was Greek.
Honestly, what the unbiased modern historians *THEORY* is that Macedonia was basically a Greek/Proto-Bulkan Upper class, that ruled over a Proto-Bulkan under-class.
By the way, this doesn't mean they were Slavs, so settle down Slavniggers.
christianity is a hellenised hebrew offshoot of what was then judaism. it is very greek.
islam was an ideological unifier of the arabian tribes before it was an expansive force beyond arabia. also, based off early judaism.
neither would have been complicated by a stronger greek presence
While I agree that the Greece was no unified state, I'd have to disagree with Makedon being barbarians. Since when and according to what historian? They were considered to be Greek.