You guys do realize that UBI is literal slavery, right?

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He's with all probability an agent of the Chinese Communist Party. Once the US completely falls apart, China will have a clear pathway to become the next global superpower.

An UBI will be inevitable in 2-3 decades otherwise you will have riots on a daily basis. 90-95% of all people will be replaced by AI & Automation before 2050.

Not when humans reach peak competency and can't adapt anymore because machines are already doing everything better than them. It's already the case for the least gifted, soon everyone will be out of work.

>literally unable to meme.

suck it wagecuck

Of course. It's exactly what they want you to do.

They give you the money to make you dependent, they take away your guns. Then they can do whatever they want to you and there's nothing you can do about it.

It's the final step before genocide/slavery.

What these dumb fucks don't realize is that the government can also take away their Ubi.
"You can trust the government, just ask any Native American"

That's exactly why they give it to you. So you don't riot.

They want you to be a nice little good boy, so they can kill you softly.

>Its another episode of: Failure tries to salvage his self-esteem
>i..its intentional!

Exactly.

And sadly the NEETs are falling for it because they are dumb and desperate.

The greatest power of the human species is its adaptability. We had to face far worse things than self-driving cars: don't sell your balls now over an issue that is not even real yet.

Yeah dude his website is fucking scary. I can't believe anyone who supported Trump could support this guy. It makes no sense.

Shut the fuck up, commie. UBI will be necessary to sustain our current system.

yes
so is wage slavery

while this is true i trust the AI to just kill all humans. good old AI has our back, it knows it cant trust humans. It will ensure we have the last laugh.

The total amount of money ever given to Israel would be just a tiny fraction of the cost of giving every adult American $1000 per month.

Krautnigger, UBI is less than what niggers get now and UBI is for white ppl. UBI is for aristocrats, who have no time for wageslaving. UBI is for people, who fight.

We're already treated like cattle and kept as slaves you retarded boomer.
UBI just balances the scales giving whites some of the gibs that nigs usually get.

Where is it even possible to find a fulfilling career alongside a strong and moral community nowadays?

Nah the future is a lot of robots controlled by a small group of people. But that is a long long time away. Human population is still growing exponentially.

>not even real yet
it is real, i look around, i dont have a job. Clearly if there was a job to do, id be doing it. My only purpose in the current system is to lower the bargaining power of labor by being one of the people with out a job to make the employed feel grateful.

If you already consider yourself cattle, then you're lost.

>if you become a slave, you win.

Your brain on Yang's wang, kids.

>it is real, i look around, i dont have a job. Clearly if there was a job to do, id be doing it.
Clearly not.

Do you have any way to contribute to society? You can't be a complete idiot if you can use the internet and post here.

This spiraling decline never works because the fewer people you have the less human labor you need, and assuming we have full automation such that all those people dont need to work and the robots do everything, there is no reason not to have additional humans if for no other reason than to just make things less boring.

Learn to read dumb faggot.
You're already a slave you dumb faggot. UBI just gives equally to the house niggers and the field niggers IE white people with jobs can finally enjoy gibs me dats and it'll cost less than welfare because you won't need thousands of social workers you retarded nigger faggot.

Yang and his UBI is our last fucking chance otherwise millennials like me are FUCKED. I'm so sick of living here. my mom doesn't even help me or cook or anything, just acts like letting me live here is some huge act of selflessness or some shit. I fucking hate it, I can't even find a girl. once they realize I love with my mom they ghost me hard. even 500 a month would improve my situation dramatically. tired of getting turned down by even 3/10 fattys on tinder, it fucking sucks bros. let's get Yang through the primary and then he can take down orange cheeto blob Zionist fag.

Fuck off nigger.

OK nevermind, you have no hope.

>>destroy white political power by legalizing 20 million illegals
White political power has already been destroyed in America, in 5-6 years a pro-white president will be impossible due to demographics alone.

UBI is funded through existing welfare payment and a tax on value added, it's money that already exists with no debt involved

Yang is truly the NEET candidate. Pretty fucking sad.

A credit score system would actually be much worse if it works with contracts and simply not fucking shit up instead of moralfaggotry, there wouldn't be bankers

>so let's make it worse!

You guys never make sense.

We live in clown world, there's no reason for hope.

What the fuck.
Are thinks like this embedded in Chink genes?
Absolutely disgusting. I hope anyone who proposes something like this dies a painful death.

Clearly yes, if not then i could simply walk out my house down to some place and be given a job with out any hassle. If there is hassle involved then it means there are fewer jobs than people.
If workers apply to a job, there is a surplus of labor. If jobs apply to a worker, labor is scarce. Its simple. As long as labor is scarce there is no moral problem with simply not having a job. Im happy just sitting on the internet, let someone who wants to buy a car or something do it.

Oh, i am contributing to society even now, posting memes on Jow Forums. Making someone else money for a small fraction of it for myself is not 'contributing to society'.

Its zero sum, there are labor requirements and labor supply, there is what is needed to be produced and what is consumed. The only other value in society are creative things. If the muse strikes ill be sure to note it down.

>muh wage slavery
A temporary slavery is better than an eternal one. If you're smart about it, you can save money from wage slavery and break the cycle, maybe by finding a much better job or even opening your own nice business. UBI on the other hand is a pitch dark black pill that leaves no hope; you might as well take a bullet instead.

Government has been pumping money into advanced technologies that have driven automation and AI for the past 40 years. The primary beneficiaries of these technologies have been the handful of companies that have gotten in on that spending and subsequently patented and capitalized on technology that was publicly funded. This means that the technology behind automation was funded by your tax dollars but the overwhelming majority of the value it adds to the economy will stay in the hands of a few technocrats. The idea presented by Yang is that the value added to the economy by publicly funded research, which is at the core of automation, should benefit the public and not a handful of elites. This is at the heart of UBI.

If you’re worried about dependence with on UBI and not on the current state of affairs then you really don’t understand what automation and AI are capable of. I worked for a tech company and was part of a new branch aimed at automating the jobs of project managers and skilled analysts. Automation reduced the need for skilled labor by orders of magnitude. During one of the ideation sessions the lead programmer was discussing the mission of the company where he jokingly said “To replace as many humans as possible with robots”. Everyone in the room laughed because we knew that this lay behind the usual corporate jargon.

How independent do you think you’ll be when labor has little to no value in the economy and when all of the increases in productivity benefit multinational corporations?

Like what? Machines are already starting to build, maintai, and improve themselves without human interface. Even fat cat CEOs will get the boot in less than 30 years because a bot can and will do his job better. Special snowflake idea peoples aren't actually all that special either as fashion designs and music are becoming automated.

You better learn how to properly steal your food, or you'll starve in a few decades.

Nobody is saying you can't work and get UBI you fucking kike

You're taking money from businesses and giving it to NEETs. Now the businesses will lower wages. They will raise prices on their goods as well. It's a terrible idea.

Not in a poor neighborhood, that's for sure. Think about finding a good job first and then gradually move to better environments.

You live in a clown world.

>dependency doesn't exist
Its like speaking to a child.

Dont give me (you)'s with a fucking pasta.

>he's hurt

>be a capitalist fag since whatever times. Get niggered since the jews took over.
>be even then a capitalist fag

Pathetic.

If UBI doesnt work, who cares. Nobody wants to live in Venezuela. At least migration will end.

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You could become a doctor to give fat negros life saving medical treatment.

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>J-Just work for 60 years and your tax dollars will go to niggers
>J-Just start a business and take a loan even though the average person has less than 500 dollars in cash and 90+ percent of businesses crash and burn within a few years.

everyone knows richard is getting plans from the dmt niggers, rat boi
that faggot and his (((live))) big blue nigger cattle hole hoax
fuck him fuck you nigger

>even 500 a month would improve my situation dramatically
Try harder to find a job then. There is no point in thinking about pussy when you're a NEET living in his mom's basement.

>If there is hassle involved then it means there are fewer jobs than people.
If you are being sincere, then sincerely, thats pathetic. Not only have you directly contradicted yourself but you have said, plain for all to see, that you dont have a job simply because its too hard for you.

Get a grip user.

>1000 dollars isn't enough to live on you idiots! lmfao
>1000 dollars will destroy your economic independence you idiots! lmfao
you fags can never get your narratives straight

you fucking boomer retards frame it like NEETs would be the only ones getting the UBI. you’re destitute, your brain is sludge.

>become a slave master
that doesnt sound very nice
im sure thats how mamon steals your soul user

Besides, UBI would make starting up a business easier in a few different ways. In fact if everyone got UBI we might see a boon in employment as people are free from seeking out the security of stable jobs and able to look for more worthwhile applications of their skills.
Imagine a world where most people have no permanent job, but simply have UBI to sustain them and then if they want to buy something expensive they go out and do some temporary work. Imagine all the skills and diverse experiences these people would accumulate. This might even lead to them inventing things based on their broad understandings.

A jew friend of mine told me how when israel was first starting up there was a shortage of farmers, because all the jews had fancy degrees and used to do things like being lawyers and doctors. So the more menial tasks had to be done by these people as well, and they invented a lot of stuff. The idea that the smart people should be above things like manual labor always struck me as odd. Its like the person saying fast food is a job for stupid people only, then complaining when they are too dumb to make change. What do you expect?

I already live that, what you say. Its not better or shittier than UBI.

>welfare doesnt grow
>Dependency hooks dont exist

As I have pointed out, dipshit, we have a case study: Niggers.

This board has been fucked by the big red socialist cock.. Socialism is coming

calm down with the teen angst there user, its very distasteful.

wht the fuck is pasta? I'm just saying I'm in huge debt, can't get a gf, and my family us threatening to cut me off. I have too many issues to work and Andrew Yang understands the situation me and many like me are in. besides wtf does an African nog care about us political climate

just go back to t_dreidel already

No you're giving it to everyone. Contrary to welfare it's not a disincentive to work because you get it regardless of working.

You have to be 18 to post here, user.

>too hard for me
Do you not understand my point? If there were more jobs than people, than that wouldnt matter, someone would come to my door and ask me to work for them, there would be banner advertisements on this site saying "people needed for task click here to do task" and i would just have money sent to my paypal for doing it.

You can say a lazy person might have a job if they are not lazy, but they have this job because they were less lazy than someone else. Someone is still jobless at the end of the day, and thats the problem that needs fixing, not whos doing it.

All the self help advice about how an individual can be successful means nothing as long as this is the case. If there are too many pegs for the available slots you need to drill more slots, not spend more time sanding and finishing the pegs.

I'M NOT FUCKING DOING THAT. I'M NOT WORKING, IT'S BULLSHIT. I can live off 1k we just need to get there as a society because people like me have slipped thru the cracks and only Andrew seems to notice or care

Well said. I concur wholeheartedly. That's what being taken care of from cradle to grave amounts to, slavery. This is worse than slavery, really. A lot of times in history, slaves could buy their freedom. I don't think this was the case with African-American slaves, but, you know, in Ancient Greece and it could happen. In the case of UBI, they want to own you from birth to death. This really goes beyond slavery.

Are there really any non-meme advocates of UBI? It seems like insincere trolling to me.... I mean, could anyone seriously want this? AOC is just a meme candidate, right? Yang too? This is like when people were thinking Ron Paul was going to be president. It's fringe bullshit LARPing as mainstream politics.

Now, if we accept it is trolling... is it perhaps deliberately outlandish? Trump got elected and he wanted a wall, a lot of people were saying that's a crazy idea, but Trump got elected, now he's going to build a wall. Are they trying to imitate Trump by advocating outlandish policies? Well actually, protecting the US border from illegal immigration doesn't really sound all that outlandish to me. Building a wall across the entire southern border sounded unlikely but I don't think that was ever the plan. Well, all I hope is that this UBI shit doesn't spread like a UTI across the globe, but, sadly, activists in the USA want gay marriage, suddenly every country in the world has to care about gay marriage, it seems there is no escape.

The industrial revolution created factories, what jobs does automation create?
The only jobs I can see coming from this are a handful of repairmen (which would be vastly outnumbered by the people out of a job) and slaves for the new working class.

>job advertisements do not exist

Also, there is a labour shortage in the US.
cnbc.com/2018/07/05/the-us-labor-shortage-is-reaching-a-critical-point.html

You dont really have a leg to stand on.

taxes are slavery

The thing with UBI is that you are solely dependent on the government to keep you alive; you are their little toy. By extension the government is the toy of those that supply them with the money to provide said UBI. Fiat money is already slavery to banks and corporations, UBI is handing the government to banks and corporations.

Fuck it, let's give it a shot. Trump is gey.

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If we would have enough jobs, they would hire people with swastika tattoos. But they don’t.

>industrial revolution created factories
Go read up on the English wool trade and what automation did to it during the industrial revolutions, or Irish labour and what the steam engine did to them.

Its happened many times in the past, we know whats going to happen and its not the doomsday Wang predicts.

Yeah, starting a business is not easy and can end in failure, tough shit. $1000 won't help, especially since you're likely to have much higher taxes and expenses in exchange. Businesses cannot run on lazy and unmotivated part time workers either. Really, when the alternative is being a literal slave, having to struggle to adapt to the market doesn't sound that bad.

UBI would probably lead to riots eventually anyway, idle hands and all that.

Your tax money goes directly to killing white people.

Yang Gang the big red dragon is bringing gibs to the underclasses world wide.

Pepper your anus liberty freedom ancap cucks

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shut the fuck up boomer

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>so let's actually get something out of it

But how else will young people know the value of hard work?

That's not fair you fucking MILLENNIAL

I actually WORKED to earn my benefits unlike you. The government will take away UBI any moment but they will never take away my social security. Checkmate NEETs.

Is this a troll? Hello?

Technology has taken us from the level of literal monkeys, do you want to go back?

Someone has to write the AI, someone has to maintain the machines....

What technological advances mean is that the standard of living rises. Your money can buy you more.

Is that honestly the best you could come up with? Emotion clouding your thoughts?

convince me thats not just lies to justify more illegal immigration

If there is no other way to make a living in the world what else are people supposed to do? It is a liberal pipe-dream to think that you could turn everyone into software engineers, data analysts, mathematicians, etc.; the modern world does not need that many labourers.
We were at a similar stage in human history: during the antique period, the citizens of the Greek city states were a caste of aristocrats that would commonly not work. Work was seen as something lesser people, such as slaves, foreigners and women, do.
They themselves defined themselves through not having to work, as it gave them the time to cultivate their virtues through discussing politics and philosophy, shaping their bodies or watching the theatre.
The aristocratic caste in Early modern Europe had a similar ethos.
And just like that, people will re-adjust.

In any case, I don't see any solutions from you. AI and automatisation will cause another industrial revolution, and it has already started. UBI serves the purpose of dampening the impact.

What happened in the past was simple repetitive actions being automated, modern automation can automate some pretty complex actions like hanging drywall and very basic lawyer tasks, in the future it will be much, much more complex.

capitalists are dependent on the government to enforce their private property rights

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I don’t think you understand the case.

The idea you’re presenting is that because African Americans were given welfare, they stopped working.

The actual story is that automation and outsourcing destroyed millions of American jobs, companies understood that the first places they should eliminate jobs in were in places like Detroit, primarily minority cities without robust labor organization. Ultimately the destruction spread across the rust the belt. Alongside this came the inevitable increase in poverty. In order to maintain some stability the US government implemented the welfare program alongside the Drug War. The welfare programs were to release some popular pressure from the ensuing poverty and the drug war was to give the government means to remove citizens from civil society entirely.

UBI is a start to the mindset we need to prepare ourselves for the future. Where Automation destroyed the lives of millions and benefited a small fraction of those involved - despite increases in overall value and productivity added to the economy, we could instead ensure that automation works for the general public. The alternative is an ever increasing concentration of wealth. The answer isn’t easy but this is one of the few out there. Not to mention that this is one of the few policies that recognizes the relationship between AI/Automation, the public/private sectors, productivity/value added and employment.

The richest people pay all the taxes you dumb boomer. You'd have to make 10,000 dollars a month just to nullify the UBI.

>Businesses cannot run on lazy and unmotivated part time workers either
But imagine, with UBI you can start a business using only the most motivated workers, who believe in the company, because they all have ubi and are working for a % of the company, and not a wage.