Capitalism causes starvation

Are you saying the reality of the human condition is capitalism? People starved to death tens of thousands of years before language was invented, never mind capitalism.

>American kids hungry
So wtf are their mother’s doing with their foodstamps? Selling them for crack? Let’s just give them more food stamps for more crack.

Based + red pilled

Fuck capitalism. Bring on the techno communist yangbux utopia, bitch.

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Blame whites for that with their Hod complex. They kept feeding Africans and now the starving population is out of control.

>means of productions are collectively owned
>rent seeking abolished
>transferable currency abolished
>literally no markets
>>state capitalism
are you ok my friend

>The CIA concluded that Soviet citizens ate as many calories as Americans, and more nutritionally.

That study was just looking at production plus net imports of food. If you account for spoilage, Americans were better fed during that time.

OP the commie kike has no answer

>iphone
>old memes
>wanting to live on welfare

hmmm

>The CIA concluded that Soviet citizens ate as many calories as Americans, and more nutritionally.

True, true, the russian elders also practiced a curious hobby where you freeze to death on purpose in the winter by not turning on the heating in your house

>brit
>old

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Actually have read numerous stories about niggers and other shitskins selling foodstamps for cash

That should have read 'if a system kills a billion people, it was not real communism'

The left cant meme

>>The CIA concluded that Soviet citizens ate as many calories as Americans

How much of it was potato, and potato-derived product (vodka)?

Russians eat a lot more vegetables, relying on garden produce and home-canned preserves.

However, alcoholism and smoking is pretty rampant there....

>1 post by this id
>nothing to back up his claim

Fuck off.

>calories
Nigger if you want to live on fucking cabbage and potatoes go fucking do it. That is if I don't curb stomp you first.

Fpbp.

Why are always communist posters so retarded?

Communism was an invention of the jews.

80% of the Bolsheviks in power were jews and they were funded by wallstreet jews.

Fuck off kike.

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Yes. The Holodomor was just a work of fiction...

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>capitalism is a form of government

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What, in your definition, is capitalism?

lmao callories
whale fat or poverty Scandinavian yogurt has that doesnt mean I wanna eat that shit till I die

>The CIA concluded that Soviet citizens ate as many calories as Americans, and more nutritionally.
source: my ass

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but if a woman kils her child it's feminism
>and that's beautiful

Socialism is non-sustainable without Capitalism though. There is literally no economic growth and the only logical conclution would be stagnation and collapse.

>we live in a society

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Don’t care. I’m asking OP because he’s faulting “capitalism” for the tragedy of human mortality (billions of deaths implies pretty much every death throughout history considering the recent population expansion.)

>Collectively owned
Verifibaly false, Lenij even admitted to stripping worker owned means of production with the NEP, and it was fully killed with Stalinization. Lenin tried to make excises for not following the main objectives of Socialism in What Is To Be Done.
>No transferrable currency
You didnt participate in piecework for a just a pat on the back, comrade.
>Literally no markets
Except for the ones the State and Perty owned and used to trade with other nations, thats why every Socialist can whine that the reason these shithole nations collapse is because "muh sanctions". Laughable, you ideology is based on collectivizing society, yet it relies on a constant stream of capital from other nations. A literal leech ideology.

>Capitalism causes starvation
Then why is everyone in the West fat fucking pieces of shit, even the poor and homeless?

Fair enough.

anybody who bothers to look it up will find this is not true and Stalin kicked out a lot of the jews.

I never understood Socialists. They seem like the most intrusive little shits.

In a free market there is nothing preventing you from starting your own business and collectively owning your own means of production.

You are physically cable of creating your own housing structures and abstaining from charging rent.

Nobody forces you to exchange currency. You do this on your own volition.

Don't like markets? Don't participate in them.

tl;dr In a Capitalist society, there is nothing preventing a group from opting out of participating in Capitalism, other than the fact that it is a shit idea unless they know how to be self-sustainable.

Systems are necessary to terminate the bad egos.

You might want to look up what the definition of the word cause. There are people who starve in a capitalism system but the system isn't taking people's food. They simply can't compete with others for the resources like food. With your line of thinking it would be like saying the Olympics games make me run slow. It's a meritocracy were the best performers succeed. Just because I can run as fast isn't a failure of the system. The system didn't cause me to run slowly.

Its a way for urban socialites to gain the reigns of power from whatever older structure existed. Thats it. They convince urban poors to scapegoat whatever group threatens these socialites, be it the old elites or farmers due to their baility to be self-sufficient. Look at the Mother of all Marxist thought, the French Revolution. A lot of talk of freedom and equality, destruction of the old class of elites to be supplanted by the new ones, and then slow collapse into a shitshow. People view the Paris Commune like it wasnt a terrible regine of mob rule and terror. They set up the convention, ran out all the Girondins they didnt like (though they based it on equality of the franchise, and representation) then marched out with their army of working class scum and killed the very farmers and soldiers who gad fought and bled for the revolution months before.

The East India Trading Company had as many soldiers as the British Empire at it's height. The CIA's South American coups were coordinated with Rockefellers and fucking fruit companies.

The issue is not of nationalization or privitization- they both produce the SAME results.

The issue is the need to create a separation of powers. Strong labor unions do more to advance the cause of socialism's aims than any system of state capitalism. The Soviets did not empower worker's or worker's rights, while American socialist activism lead to social security, the 40 hour work week, minimum wage, strong labor unions, etc.

Nationalization is hit or miss, but so is privitization. Saddam Hussein's nationalization of oil expanded Iraq's economy greatly and lead to a more modernized, educated, industrial state. The same is true to an even greater extent in Gadaffi's Libya. Nationalizing agriculture was a huge failure in China and the Soviets because people were promoted on ideological loyalty less than competence.

Ideology is bullshit. Certain industries are going to work better nationalized- especially in cases where profit motive is based on an absolute social need and thus some form of extortion is likely from private control. American medical care is dogshit, and fear mongering about wait times is stupid when my girlfriend's insurance means she can get an appointment more than a month out from calling as is.

Actually out medical care is among the best in the world. You just have to have insurance.

No, it's not the best. This is what people with no perspective say. My brother's insulin costs more than a thousand dollars a month. My insurance means I'm still paying close to 100 bucks to see a doctor. I live near the border and people get identical medical and dental work to the US for a quarter of the cost. I'm not talking about poor people either, I'm talking working professionals making 100k a year going to Mexico for their work, regularly. People buying prescriptions online from other countries getting the exact same drugs, for a fraction of what they cost WITH insurance.

I myself took a trip to England as a kid and had a severe nosebleed on the plane that got an ambulance called, waiting at the gate of the airport. The ambulance got there faster than when my great-grandfather had cardiac arrest at thanksgiving in Chicago. I was treated faster than when I went to the Emergency Room after breaking my arm at school in San Diego in 8th grade- where it was 2-3 hours before I was given so much as any kind of painkiller, let alone seen by a doctor.

And we paid nothing for it. As foreigners, I was covered. The ambulance ride for my Grandpa cost a couple thousand, in Englad we were GIVEN cab fair.

Fuck America's medical system, fuck it's soft-brained defenders. You people have no fucking idea what you're talking about. And I'm not poor and none of my experiences with it have been in poor areas.

>Anyone who bothers to look it up
The problem with this form of dismissal is some people will look it up.
Seems like >60% of the original Bolshevik leadership is confirmed Jews just going by Wikipedia alone. This is only considering self-identified Jews, and not counting people of ambiguous background with typically Jewish names, etc.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Abramov-Mirov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Yustinovich_Bagotsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Bakinsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matvei_Berman
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecilia_Bobrovskaya
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Borodin
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Bukharin
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semyon_Dimanstein
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilya_Ehrenburg
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafail_Farbman
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Ganetsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Golos
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipp_Goloshchyokin
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolph_Joffe
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_Kaganovich
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Kalinin
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekaterina_Kalinina
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Kamenev
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olga_Kameneva
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Kaminsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkadiy_Kiselyov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Krasnoshchyokov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolay_Krestinsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Kulyk
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Béla_Kun
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Lashevich
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izrail_Leplevsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxim_Litvinov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Lozovsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Lyushkov

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cont.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Manuilsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Messing
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Mogilevsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyacheslav_Molotov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Petroff_(communist)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osip_Piatnitsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moša_Pijade
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Radek
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Rakovsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Riazanov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itska_Rizhinashvili
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkady_Rosengolts
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Rothstein
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_Rudnik
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasyl'_Shakhrai
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vera_Slutskaya
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abram_Slutsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Soltz
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Sokolnikov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Mikhailovich_Steklov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Sverdlov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Trilisser
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Trotsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Józef_Unszlicht
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moisei_Uritsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V._Volodarsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kliment_Voroshilov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekaterina_Voroshilova
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Yagoda
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iona_Yakir
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Yakovlev
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemelyan_Yaroslavsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Yurovsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Zalkind
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaak_Zelensky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalia_Zemlyachka
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Zevin
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polina_Zhemchuzhina
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Zinoviev

According to the 1922 Bolshevik party census, there were 19,564 Jewish Bolsheviks, comprising 5.21% of the total, and in the 1920s of the 417 members of the Central Executive Committee, the party Central Committee, the Presidium of the Executive of the Soviets of the USSR and the Russian Republic, the People's Commissars, 6% were ethnic Jews.[18] Between 1936 and 1940, during the Great Purge, Yezhovshchina and after the rapprochement with Nazi Germany, Stalin had largely eliminated Jews from senior party, government, diplomatic, security and military positions.[19]

You guys will never mention how many of those people you list never held real power or were killed by Stalin.

Pretty much the entirety of the Bolshevik leadership was a mix of Jews, with the remainder being from various other non-Russian ethnic backgrounds (Ukrainians, Georgians, Azeri, mostly). Sure Stalin eventually got rid of most of the Jews, but that does not dismiss the fact that the Bolsheviks were in essence, an alliance of Jews and Non-Russians fighting to take control of Russia. Just because their system was retarded, and allowed a tyrant to rise to the top and fuck them over doesn't make this not the case. Is North Korea not Korean just because a poorly designed state eventually caused it to oppress its own people?

>The CIA concluded
>Trusting anything the CIA says
>Ever

>best form of Government
woah.. so this is the power.. of leftist intellectualism

>If a system kills billions of people
Jesus, literal gorillions now, I'll agree that fascism or natsoc > kiketalism though

I'm referring to the leadership, not the grunts. Stalin is irrelevant, since this happened under their own rule, and is the fault of their own internal failings. The pre-Stalin Bolsheviks are the ones who actually attacked and destroyed an external entity and enslaved the people of an external entity.

Are they attributing people dying of heart disease due to food abundance to capitalism?

>1 post by this id

These people have quite a loose definition of the word "kill"

Compare “hungry kids” in America to starving children in communist countries lol.
America
>house, car, govt lunch, food stamps, low crime, police force, schools, roads, court system, get 3$ beef/lb, iPhones, computer, iPads, internet access, clean water, public toilets, good will, basic sanitation, tv, cable, economic progress, electricity, make 12,000 per year in benefits, average poor person makes 20k per year 10x communist countries
Communism
>shit roads, poor schools, everyone poor, gulags, no justice system, corruption, black markets, lines for toilet paper, die if starving, economic stagnation, lack basic utilities, no internet, constant blackouts, shit on streets, make $1k per year

Netanyahu and Israel have supported and promoted every single right-wing populist in the newest global resurgence and every major figure in it is a Zionist- is it your position that modern Nationalism is a Jewish construct

And the Chinese and Cambodian communist parties were run by Chinese and Cambodians exclusively. Racialists look at one or two groups doing a thing and think the entire trend is their doing- reality is movements, like art, like culture, inspire likeminded individuals wherever they spread. Thinking you can even truly centrally control these things is folly. It's the very folly of Kissinger and the American neoconservatives, as well as people that want ALL industry nationalized. The belief in a level of control that does not exist, because there are too many variables.

Even if you were to assign Bolshevism just to Jewish subversion, they couldn't control it. They were kicked out of the party, just like the Tsars before Stalin had run pogroms when it was THEIR leadership being challenged and questioned. There's no group that has ever been able to consistently sustain and manage control. All the empires fall, even if they have thousand year runs.

Its true but their diet was like 60% potatoes and were not nearly as balanced

Communism killed ~100 million people, and that's using the most conservative numbers possible. Since China lies about everything, the real death toll is believed to be ~200 million.

We are not trying your retarded experiment again, no matter what lies or irrelevant nonsense you push. Sage goes in options field.

>Israel
I don't actually "hate" Jews lel, I will however fight fire with fire, and if Jews point to the Nazis as the reason why whites worldwide (even the ones who granted them asylum and defeated the Nazis for them) should be dispossessed, then I will point out the Jewish nature of the other, substantially more destructive party of the period. I would much rather that anti-white Jews see the hypocrisy and cease the anti-white agenda. I have no issue with Jews having nation states for their own people, provided that they respect this right for other peoples, but I see early Communist parties as a form of pre-Israeli Jewish nationalism, using subversive ideals and ethnic minorities to steal a nation, not from those who had wronged them, but from those who had been most tolerant of them at the time. This is so strikingly similar to what we experience in Europe today that I can't ignore it.
>Netanyahu supported every right wing movement
I'm mixed on Netanyahu. He seems to be one of the few world leaders that still respects realpolitik publicly, which gives the impression that he can be reasoned with, and the leftist war on Israel gives some common ground for that, however given the highly Jewish nature of the international anti-white movement, people will naturally be sceptical as to whether this is really "support", or whether this is Jews refusing to allow westerners to operate outside of Jewish influence.

Didnt communism kill billions of people?

Insulin costs too much? Blame obamacare, government subsidized health insurance is driving up the price.

>Marxists execute 1 billion people
>it’s the fault of capitalists