Here's an opinion: women aren't pickier, men are just uglier.
Naturally, I do believe that unless a deformation, no one is really born entirely ugly. I will also defend that as you grow up, until the age 25, you can only get hotter and if you aren't, it's mostly your fault if you hadn't any accident in life. Why? Because self-care in term of cream & revitalizer and anything si mroe frequent among woman over man. Also, man are much more overweight than woman. Even in fashion, there's more attention to it when you are a girl.
Also, it's because of those thing that I now have a gf.
>inb4 I have no chin and it's genetic stop breating with your mouth
Women rate men like this because physical attraction is a much smaller part of their total attraction to you. They want and need an emotional connection to be into you, whereas guys can, and do, give more objective attractiveness ratings to women based purely on the visual.
Kevin Bennett
>men are ugly >humans born approx 50 50 >taste is relative to the culture >implying women should have a harem with chad despite people dating down upon realizing who is in their actual league
Is this advice? IS it REALLY
Robert Jones
No one is saying women's selectivity is inherently bad. What makes guys mad is that modern women get to live in both worlds, the prehistoric one where cave-Chad sexes her and brutally kills cave-incel, and the modern one with all of the physical and social safety nets made possible by the betas she wishes would fuck off and die.
James Myers
We actually never lived in caves and what actually happened is by the time farming was invented the betas jumped chad and forced him to share women monogamously 50 50. >bait thread XD
Christian Brooks
What's your question
Remember to sage these stupid fucking threads, get off adv no one gives a shit about your opinion
John Fisher
It's biology. The cost of pregnancy is much higher than the cost of busting a nut.
Which is fine, except we're supposed to sit around and act like everything is dandy and "equal" when women are worshipped like goddesses and 80%+ of men are treated like disposable trash. I can accept the reality of it, but having lies and deception shoved down my throat is not acceptable.
Nolan Rogers
I believe I read somewhere that uglier girls recieve more abuse in most households to the point where they die more. Usually parents don't know if their little boys are going to grow up ugly, so there's too many of them.
William Phillips
yes but im short and cant do anything about it my man
Samuel Clark
I think your statement is true. I think women perceive us as "ugly" because they themselves put a lot of effort into their appearance and see us doing none of that. They spend hours doing their makeup, shaving their legs and armpits, and putting on nice smelling lotions. But then they see us and we do literally none of that. So i can understand why they think we are ugly. I think they might also take into account the effort we look like we put in when rating us, not just solely physical appearance.
Gavin Hall
That's not true at all. Women are completely materialistic and thus only care about looks. They want the hottest guy so she can take his genes and also show him off to her friends. Men are just objects to women
Isaac Smith
t. 16 year old kissless virgin who dropped out of high school and gets his worldview from other basement-dwellers on Jow Forums and Jow Forums
Hudson Gutierrez
1. if someone is overweight is measured in bmi. bmi doesn't account for gender. Men are naturally heavier then a woman their height, but that doesn't change anything for the bmi scale so men's bmi is higher.
2. men aren't uglier then women. women have tons of means to coat their physical inadequacies. also, that study was done using pictures of men and women on dating sites and honestly, the majority of men take shit pictures of themselves so that study is not representative of real life
Joseph Scott
If this statement was true then all women would be depressed. Research shows materialism breeds depression. Men have significantly higher rates of depression than women. We literally surround ourselves in materialism. We buy cars, wristwatches for some weird fucking reason, shoes, videogames, etc. We put so much value on materials that we are willing to work 80 hour weeks for our families so that we can show them "love" with money and gifts, but in reality we dont know our families at all because we never spend time with them cuz of work. Open your eyes man. We are the materialistic ones.
Don't worry, they are "depressed" until 6' chad makes her cum and when he flies away she's depressed again to be around her looksmatch. Btw males have higher depression rate than women because when shit hits the fan you just cry on instagram or find beta worshippers who treats you like a rockstar.
Dylan Hughes
Look a that NPC incel writing out the only lines he has been programmed to.
Daniel Collins
>incel >npc I would actually like being an NPC, I mean writing stupid chinese citation on facebook and getting hundreds of likes because I got a vagina, wew. Also explain me why BBW (big beautiful women) exist on pron sites but not the opposite? How wait you can be 200lbs and still be attractive, how hard life must be.
Nathan Gutierrez
Ron Jeremy is the most successful pornstar of all time. Inb4 dick, hes above average, nothing special.
Alexander Johnson
You have never had an independent thought. You are a low IQ incel.
Dominic Richardson
I despite every circlejerk communities including incels.me or braincels or whatever. I just made my own experience, you don't exist to women if you don't meet certains criterias
Daniel Smith
What criteria are those? Because all men can get women.
Owen Scott
Huh, guess that explains why I find so few men attractive. I thought I was going gay or something.
Legitimately wish men would pretty up more often. Work out, use creams and lotions, and for Gods sake shave or trim that beard.
Even most single hamplanets use lotions and proper products to make themselves at least somewhat appealing.
Easton Torres
This is true. What women think of men's looks =/= what they think of their attractiveness.
>Men are just objects to women If this (and the focus on appearance) were true, you'd expect women to love and collect visuals of hot men the way men love to watch beautiful (naked) women. But they don't care for that at all.
Hunter Bennett
Women see men they are attracted to as more attractive. When a woman is attracted to a guy for whatever reason she will see him as more handsome, nicer, smarter etc than he actually is.
Jaxon Torres
This is universal and commonly referred to as "love is blind". If this weren't a thing two mediocre looking people couldn't be superattracted to one another physically but that happens all the time.
Luis Ross
I'm a guy, and I would encourage anyone going into a serious relationship to be VERY picky.
Sure, I'll bitch about how I can't easily get a 10/10, but society should be that way.
Get fit by exercising and dieting right is basically all you need to do as a male for a hookup. If you want a quality woman though, you HAVE to have decent social skiĺls and a good level of confidence.
For women it's a completly different game all together, and not as clear cut. Incels may not like to believe it, but experience has taught me it is actually harder to get a good relationship with a man, than it is a man get a good relationship with a woman. (I'm talking about LTR'S when I say relationship here).
So to both women and men, yes, be picky.
Jonathan Clark
>Sure, I'll bitch about how I can't easily get a 10/10, but society should be that way. Not to mention most guys actually want a girl who didn't sleep with every normal guy who treated her nicely, 10/10 or not!
Benjamin Miller
guys can also be more forgiving on you looks where women arent with their emotional attatchments.
Hudson Richardson
Fortunately for you most girls haven't done that.
James Hall
go fuck yourself cunt
Ryder Nelson
May work that way for men, but no so much for women.
On a 1-5 scale, I know 0 people who would rate a 5 at the top of my head. I can think of some fairly decent guys at the gym I work out, but they are just alright, so more like a 3. A few dolled up movie stars, like George Clooney and Robert Downey Jr., and both of the Avenger Chris', score a 4, but I'd wager most of the gym guys would as well, if they had a team of stylists available.
That's not even about standards. I'm usually only dating 2s, because I am not exactly pretty myself, so I'm likely a 2 as well. I have still not seen these "super Chad's who gets all girls wet" that certain people claim will steal everybody's girlfriends.
Charles Collins
I know, the point was that men have double standards where they want women to be wowed easily but at the same time they want women to sleep with a fraction of the men trying to fuck them. Those two don't go together.
Brayden Long
Straight(ish) woman as well, I definitely know men I find breathtakingly beautiful. For the record this to me isn't necessarily sexually charged. I like looking at a handsome man but it's no different than looking at a pretty flower, I don't feel sorry I can't date someone like that.
The men I have been with were normal/cute but I was superattracted to them. I could still see they weren't objectively model material but just recognizing their gait or hearing their voice could get me wet at times.
I'm not sure if I even disagree because I'm not sure if I understood your post correctly. The guys you ended up dating, do you still feel sexually attracted to them regardless of your rating of their looks?
Liam Garcia
No need to be rude.
It's not even an insult. Your appearance matters very little to me at the end of the day, so just because I don't find guys commonly attractive, doesn't mean I wouldn't want to date them.
Personality >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Appearance. It's not even funny how little it matters, because literally no one pretty is straight. All beautiful guys are gay, because most men hold the belief that it's only gays who take proper care of themselves. That works in your favour if you are an ugly guy, because it sets the standard low.
Lucas Foster
>I think for myself, but i just happen to hold the same beliefs as Jow Forums okay buddy
Kevin Smith
It's funny. I want a woman who likes sex and is open to lots of experimentation, but these very women (ie. sexually experienced women) I seem to have a bit of a natural aversion to, and I seem to be naturally more drawn to the more reserved women. Could be that I feel like I couldn't match up to her previous lovers.
I might change as I date more myself (I hope).
Jack Campbell
# >But they don't care for that at all. Lol what Tell that to my folder of hot wrestler pictures
The whole "she needs to be a sex crazed nympho for me but frigid to any other man" is quite common, in one form or another and more or less extreme. But yeah if you want to get the most out of your life it's good to wonder why you feel this way. It could be feeling inferior, but there's other explanations. Maybe you are jealous of someone already having experienced what you also want. Or you have other negative ideas about actively sexual women that negate the upsides. Only if you understand yourself (more or less) can you work with yourself most effectively.
It's also possible to stumble upon the reserved woman who truly is a freak in the sheets but I personally wouldn't like playing the lottery there if you already know beforehand it's important to you to have a highly sexed and open minded partner.
Andrew Gray
>I definitely know men I find breathtakingly beautiful. For the record this to me isn't necessarily sexually charged. I like looking at a handsome man but it's no different than looking at a pretty flower That's the thing that stops me from placing anyone at a 5.
Like, I can acknowledge they are clearly above the rest, hence a 4, but I am missing that "he can fuck me based on appearance alone" factor. No one actually hits that high note for me. I have not once in my life gotten wet and horny from a guy based on his appearance.
>The guys you ended up dating, do you still feel sexually attracted to them regardless of your rating of their looks Yes, and that's the closest reason as to why I sometimes feel someone is somehow both a 2 and a 5 at the same time. A guy I've fallen in love with can make me go crazy at random, turn me insomniac over sheer sexual frustration, and make me beg for sex, but those "hot chads" do literally nothing for me.
It's actually a but depressing how difficult it is for me, compared to what I see guys manage. Like, a photo of a nude stranger can be enough to get a guy off? Seriously? How? The idea boggles my mind, and I am honestly jealous over not being capable of doing the same.
Nathan Nelson
You are the exception. Of course there's women who love that, there's also women who watch porn on par with the average young guy, but they're not the norm. Even the amount of material for women is a lot less and it is a common complaint in places where "hot man pictures" or whatever is swapped that it typically ends up with gay men being much more vocal than the feminine crowd.
Josiah King
Charts of studies that means nothing. Good job.
Grayson Lee
>mfw I have a trap collection Sneaky does things to me that I cannot explain.
I agree otherwise.
Anthony Stewart
>You are the exception Tell that to every other female friend I have who also collects pictures of men they find attractive lol
Fucking virgin neet thinks he knows about women
Charles Russell
>No one actually hits that high note for me. I don't really think this is a matter of not finding men beautiful and rather of not having a sexual response (or as strong a sexual response) to beauty alone.
>I have not once in my life gotten wet and horny from a guy based on his appearance. Different strokes for different people and there's definitely women who have but in my life experience what you describe is not in any way abnormal for a woman. I can also kind of relate though it's hard to entirely separate looks from demeanor. I've definitely felt stirred by strange men but it was never just looks, always a combination of that and how they looked/smiled at me or whatever.
Eh, I don't know what there is to get jealous about. I am convinced men have the same potential to become sexually obsessed with a woman for knowing and adoring her rather than her looks, but I do think for (particularly young) men it is easier to be so focused on the obviousness and simplicity of instant boners that they tend to forget sexuality is also something mental that you can foster or allow to grow. Besides I'm guessing that you can easily get off just remembering something you did with your lover/ex, while many men find it hard to jerk off without visual aids.
Carter Hall
I'm a woman who has overwhelmingly been friends with women throughout my life, and again, just look at the fact that women don't consume nearly as much porn despite countless attempts of the industry to reel them in and increase their customers.
Ryan Lewis
I know a few girls who are absolute /d/egenerates, who are shy and timid in real life, and dress conservatively.
It's a running joke with one of my friends in particular. Whenever she starts hanging out with a guy, we always joke about how deep she can dig before he runs off screaming. And I haven't seen half of it.
Knowing one of her fetishes is fucking a tree, while a guy fucks her from behind, kinds sets the tone for the sort of shit she is into, and I'm pretty sure I don't want to know her browser history.
Andrew Parker
No one was talking about porn idiot. You said "collect visuals"
Oh yeah they definitely exist, but going for a girl who by all accounts is reserved and conservative sexually and hoping she does a 180 once in the bedroom together isn't a good life strategy.
She sounds like a fun person to know.
Jordan Myers
>despite countless attempts of the industry to reel them in and increase their customers. Let's be real here, the "porn for women" attempts have been downright terrible.
I have looked so much for it, and found nothing worthwhile. It's either some lesbian shit, or some clean and sterile looking sex.
The only ones that gets me going just a little bit, are the Female PoV, and they are awfully uncommon.
Oliver Miller
And porn doesn't fall under visuals? Besides even if you restrict it to pictures there's nowhere near as many suggestive pictures of handsome men as there are shots of (partially) naked women like get posted here on the non-blue boards all the time. Even your picture is just a portrait/sports shot, not something specifically made to show off his beauty.
Samuel Long
Women can (and sometimes do) watch mainstream porn if they like railing and what not. They can (and more often do) watch lesbian porn if they want more focus on making out and cunnilingus. Then there's the porn actively marketed as porn for women, which I've seen little of but still it looked okay to me. I don't know what your sterile is but it was just more "normal" things like the guy eating her out while jacking off, embedded in a fantasy situation. I remember watching this one of a woman who ran a sex hostel where she slept with all the guests. Oh, and they looked like normal people. Still none of this apparently hits the spot enough for women to be as interested as men are. Besides men also complain about plenty of aspects of porn but it doesn't stop them from getting off to it.
Samuel Diaz
>Oh yeah they definitely exist, but going for a girl who by all accounts is reserved and conservative sexually and hoping she does a 180 once in the bedroom together isn't a good life strategy. That's sort of her issue as well, because most guys *do not* expect this, for very obvious reasons. They tend to bail as well, as they were probably going for a much more vanilla and shy girl than they actually got.
It is a bit unfortunate, but she is always very afraid of showing it. Most guys tend to get very rude and nasty towards her if they find out, and aren't dating her.
James Rivera
>And porn doesn't fall under visuals? More things that are not porn do. I can't tell if you didn't know what the fuck you were talking about or are just trying to change what you meant now that I pointed how out dumb it was. I have no interest in "porn."
My point was on average women don't care as much about looking at hot/naked men as men do about looking at hot/naked women, as evidenced by the lack of material, both looking at porn and looking at sexy shoots or other eye candy.
I still believe the same thing if you take porn out of the equation, it is just a good example because it is much more prominent/visible there that women don't care to the same extent.
Dylan Hill
I think this is a part of it. I am a guy, and picky about character, lifestyle and emotional connection. Immediately this makes so many women non-starters, even I'd they have a great body and a pretty face. If all you care about when dating someone is superficial shit with looks, you're risking marrying a succubus. This is why Red Pill and MGTOW are so vehement, they are shallow fucks with poor taste in women.
Juan Williams
Even the erotica is way less prevalent... unless I'm looking in very wrong places.
Most of the shit on sites like literotica and the other big erotica sites, read like they are written by virgins who has never seen a woman in real life. And most professional books are not really for my taste, like 50 shades stuff.
Christopher Nguyen
They say that women are the biggest audience for erotica, not sure what that is based on though. I think a lot of women really into it just know what to look for on general websites like fanfiction.net to find what they want. Or fetish-related stories. But agreed, most are incredibly bad.
If you are looking for something yourself that isn't as in your face as porn, maybe try audio porn, like on reddit/r/audiogonewild.
Luis Morales
Yeah, you are looking in the wrong places. Also it's not like women like the exact same content as men just with men in the place of women. They like different shit in general that men would probably have no interest in at all, so your comparison is highly flawed in the first place imo.
Especially because the shitheads on this board never post the 2nd graph that shows that even though the women on these sites rate men as looking mostly below average, they still message those "below average" guys at the highest rates. But then they wouldn't be able to bitch about how evil women are because they rated their fugly ass objectively.
Levi Brown
Pussy's pussy to me, chubby or skinny. On the idea of attraction, i do believe Darwin had a point about attractivity and that people look for their parents personality in people. Is this research purely for like "yeah, id fuck him/her" or is the study showing "yes i would spend the rest of my life with him/her." Dont forget tho, men's value in attractivity and finding a mate peak between 30-50. Its harder for women to find a guy when they're out of their 18-27 age range. Being picky pertains to fuckability between 18-30 with this study imo. Fite me fags.
Nicholas Perez
>Legitimately wish men would pretty up more often. Work out, use creams and lotions, and for Gods sake shave or trim that beard.
Working out I can see, trimming or shaving I can see. Creams and lotions are where we get into the realm of, we're not longer doing basic hygienic stuff or maintaining a healthy body for it's own sake, but instead clinging to vanity and fighting aging by masking it with bullshit. Just as I don't have a strong response to the woman who wears butt lifting pants, pushup bras and excessive makeup, I'm not going to go overboard making my skin "perfect". I'm not joking when I say I'd prefer a woman with a little cellulite or some wrinkles or freckles, than the one who has to pretty up all the time. I'm going to see you like that anyways when I catch you just out of the shower before you put makeup on or shave your legs, so it's whatever.
Jaxon Bailey
Preserving your skin is not "masking bullshit" it's just fucking common sense
Cameron Phillips
So you cringe at half the posters? Perhaps you should leave retard.
At least trip, namefaggin is evidence of being mentally impotent.
Lucas Rivera
I'm not talking about straight up makeup, I am talking about a bit more maintenance than the bare minimum. Lotions to keep your skin soft and nice, creams to not have an oil factory in your face, and refreshers so you don't get saggy eyes and look sleep deprived.
Yeah, it's vanity, but it makes you look way better. I am not talking artificial "bullshit", I'm just talking about proper maintenance.
Jayden Rivera
>>oh noes he's right >>I'll strawman to avoid real talk
>preserving your skin This typically comes down to not eating shit food, if you're worried about things like acne. With age, you will get wrinkles, and your skin will sag, that's just life. Smooth skin is a meme that serves no actual function or purpose. The people who have to put on a shit ton of creams and shit are either 1.) trying to fight aging or 2.) want to emulate the appearance of a healthy person without necessarily being healthy.
>it's vanity Therefore it's "bullshit".
>not having an oil factory on your face Quit eating shit food.
>not looking sleep deprived Get enough sleep at night, otherwise who gives a fuck what people think if your eyes are "saggy", jesus.
>basic maintenance. You're not "maintaining" anything but the appearance of someone who is actually healthy, well rested, whatever without having to be so yourself. It IS bullshit, because it's lying about who you are. It's pretty sad that people care about this, it's even worse that people feel compelled to spend billions a year on "skin care products" because they're worried about looking good for others.
Easton Miller
>This typically comes down to not eating shit food Actually it comes down to just wearing some fucking sunscreen every day. That food shit is a fucking meme. The only thing you can put into your mouth that will really affect your skin drastically is water.
Zachary Moore
Confidence Shower regularly Lower your standards Jesus anons, just fuck a pudgy bitch til you get confident enough to find a solid 5-7/10. Y'all put too much scinece behind talking to a female.
Carson Jackson
learn statistics whore
John Bailey
>Lower your standards it's women who need to lower their standards, look at the graph.
Jayden Allen
>Y'all put too much scinece behind talking to a female. It's just them trying to rationalise why the fat lazy fucks can land a decent girl, but they can't.
Brody Reyes
Kys, you guys do same shit everyday you are all fucking retarded incels, go outside.
Men and women age attractive in different ways. Beauty is determined by a gender based standard. You cant say that one man is more beautiful than another woman, unless in extreme cases.
Cameron Martin
You're weird then. Females dont get turned on by men the same way men get turned on by females.
Leo Mitchell
I never said they did.
Oliver Martin
Im a newfag on 4chins so i dunno how to directly reply to posts and shit. But who's the FUCK is this L lawliet faggot posting emofags and stupid ass music bideos? Nobody likes you fuck off of advice bro, you dont help anybody or anything. Shit tier kid 'listen to muh shitty music while read my phalangical dhirrhea' fuckin faggot.
>I'm a newfag on 4chins so I dunno how to directly reply to posts and shit. But who's the FUCK is this L Lawliet faggot posting emofags and stupid ass music videos? Nobody likes you fuck off advice bro, you don't help anybody or anything. Shit tier kid 'listen to muh shitty music while read my phalangical? diarrhea' fucking faggot.
A very nice tip: ignore all name and tripfags. Don't bother replying to them, we all know their shit is retarded. As said, many already do that but advice is filled with newfags so he still gets replies frequently here.
Colton Rogers
Ok so just call him a fag and keep movin' gotcha.
Austin Campbell
Try living in the real world kid
Men are actually idealists. If what you said is true, men are more likely to be depressed because materialism doesn't satisfy them. Women and children are ardent materialists and so of course we work hard to satisfy them through material acquisition.
Men and women view attractiveness differently. Women view attractiveness at its base form as something to do with good genes, men view beauty as something that allows them to get close to God and pursue the ideal. The reason women don't view hot pictures as much as men is because for women, the hot guy's genes aren't available to her so there's no point, while for men every picture of beauty brings him closer to God.
but to entertain your cucked idea, women are picky and that's because they're dumb. You're hot or not to them which isn't representative of reality. I know a balding fat guy isn't hot at all but women aren't angels either.
you are single, a female, and stupid. Swallow a shotgun barrel.
Daniel King
Weinigger was a mental invalid who killed himself at 23. His words are worth nothing outside the context of a historical curiosity like Freud.
Juan Taylor
Everything he said is true
Joseph Stewart
You seem really fun. Women must love you.
Landon Parker
They do, bluepill fags hate me. I appeal to women that aren't ugly and gross. Guess by you being turned off you can probably guess what you are.
Carter Torres
You're on Jow Forums, you don't represent the average woman t. normie who is put off by porn
Jackson Young
No, women want men who aren’t neet garbage.
Charles Wood
>beauty standards are all set by men about what they find attractive >women are too dumb to make up their own minds and need men to decide their opinions for them >a woman's beauty standards are just a man's Who is exactly surprised to discover that men aren't considered good looking by women?
Jonathan Johnson
You sound like a fat chick larping. Or a kid whose just got his first girlfriend at 25. Ur points about improving yourself are true but as for the man hate u sound like a beta bitch whose gonna breakdown when ur first bitch eventually leaves you.
Brandon Jones
You sound like a butthurt ugly guy that goes on the offense to avoid improving yourself or thinking critically for a moment
Gabriel Collins
Did u not read my post ? Improving yourself is good (duh). You know it's true that's why u couldn't come up with anything to say.
James Sanchez
Yes opie, improving yourself is good, very good. You say that, but talk is cheap. The "man hate" is for good reason- men "know" that self improvement is good, but they don't do it. You probably don't, either. They know they can skate by on mediocrity
