Why do women usually respect you more when you disregard their opinions?

>liking bad boys or people treating them like shit
>a myth

You must be very young or very inexperienced.

Are you incel or brocel?

Being a yes man shows that you lack your own internal integral consistency. So you should listen to them but voice your concerns about whatever you disagree with.

>Are you incel or brocel?
Guy who's lived places and done things

My wife is unusually intelligent, self reflective and honest. She's great to talk with because she's very female with female reactions, but she's also able and willing to actually talk about what drives her to do things.
We've talked often about why women like "bad boys", why some like abusive guys, how to help keep our daughters from being with the wrong guys. But she's never said or implied that girls don't like bad boys.
Bad boys are exciting.

It's similar to our sons and slutty girls.
I completely understand why one of my sons is attracted to the 19 year old girl dressed like a porn star. Hell, I think she's hot also. But in the long run, she's not the best girl to date.

>My wife is unusually intelligent, self reflective and honest.
Once we were watching a post-Armageddon type movie where everybody was killing everybody else. The female main character had to make a run or stay and fight decision and I asked her what she would do.

She answered "I'd find the meanest, smartest, most aggressive and dangerous SOB out there. Walk up to him and say 'I'm your new girlfriend' and then do absolutely anything he wanted me to. If he dies I'd go to the next one."

There is a woman who is telling it like it really is.

>Women liking bad boys or people treating them like shit are a minority
Not a minority actually. It's a significant amount. Perhaps even most.

Seemed to me you were coming from that direction. Because there is no universal attraction to "bad boys" or "bad girls". Blatant sexuality has something to it, but for some people that's about it. It's not like everyone feels attracted to it to the level they need to control their urges.

Inexperienced people may confuse bad boy-masculinity with real masculinity because they don't know better. Insecure girls can be pressured by bad boys at times too. But other than it, it is either like minded bad girls or troubled girls who feel strong attraction to bay boys. Not much to be done about that.

Feeling drawn to it a bit or have certain aspects of it seems fine to me, as long you don't go fullblown bad boy/bad girl. Maybe that is the case with you and your wife?

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This the case generally, no one likes a dummy sycophant.

This is a case with men, too.

I will never understand why men who objectively do not talk to women think they know anything about them.

This board, and Jow Forums in general, is just a bunch of men and women spouting behind a screen how the opposite sex is objectively the more hysterical, ungrateful, conniving, and deceitful sex and must therefore be ruthlessly be attacked in generalized strawmen to bait the exact emotions out of the defenders who come forward so that their generalizations be "validated."

It's a meme, an echo chamber, and a pressure cooker bomb .

n-not all guys. i'm a strong, silent loner pls pay attention to me.

>Inexperienced people may confuse bad boy-masculinity with real masculinity
This was my exact point with my 16 year old daughter who was starting to hang around with a 20 year old loser. Fortunately for us, she only did one day of screaming and locking herself in her room before she came out, apologized and said we were right. Later when visiting relatives she did "date" a few guys losers she thinks I don't know about, but for the rest of High School she dated nice guys.
Interestingly, since then she's just dated USMC officers and Army Special Forces soldiers. All of whom I've liked and have all been truly bad ass men. So I guess she took the "truly masculine" part of the talk to heart.

Basement-dwelling incels think that they are "objective outside observers" and that's why they know more about women than those who actually date them.

Weak people frequently mistake cruelty and coldness for strength, and kindness for weakness. It's not just women, weak men are the same.

Seems you did the right thing and your daughter understood what you were trying to tell her. "Bad ass" doesn't equal toxic abusive bad boy like "sensitive arist type" doesn't equal to manipulative and passive-aggressive artfag. Kids often don't know the difference.

This. There are quite some men who flock to toxic bitches and later vent their anger on Jow Forums.

>Maybe that is the case with you and your wife?
It's certainly what we both agree is true. It's a second marriage for both of us.

My wife had a horrible home life and was very wild for a while. She certainly dated her share of great guys, shitty guys and everything in between and had to learn many life lessons the hard way. She is a very strong personality and obviously had the typical female problem where she had no respect for the "nice" guys and wouldn't put up with the poor treatment from the "bad boys". So she just bounced back and forth between the two. By the time I met her, she'd figured her life out and was a successful career woman.

I got married young and am a loyal person by nature, the perfect type of guy for a narcissistic woman to take advantage of. I was always in good shape and very financially successful, so it was easy to get dates, but I was frequently the nice guy that was dumped in favor of the bad boy. After finally divorcing my horrible wife, I was not interested in catering to women any more and that "i don't give a shit about you" attitude apparently gave me enough of a "bad boy" air to make me very attractive and my mid 30s were a very fun time. I can tell you personally, that as a man being cold and distant gets you much more sex than being loyal and attentive.

Anyway my wife and I smoothed out the other's rough edges and it's been a very successful and happy marriage.

>"sensitive arist type" doesn't equal to manipulative and passive-aggressive artfag
heh
Truth.
Some people may be amazed how many truly bad ass men are actually very sensitive and artistic. I've sat on a mountaintop next to other guys, all of us smelling like sweat and piss and had real discussions about the nature of beauty, complimentary and discordant colors and the ephemeral nature of life.
and also about dicks.

Glad, it worked out for the both of you! In my opinion "nice guy vs. bad boy" was always false extremes, both harmful in their own way. Bad boys have deep rooted abandonment-issues and therefore are overcompensating to the point they deny their own emotions or the wellbeing of other persons involved. Of course this gets you more dates and is an improvement to being pushed around. Nice guys on the other hand seem to be undercompensating. They behave like small children who aren't able to stand up for their most basic needs and instead turn passive-aggressive whenever they feel mistreated. Works the same for women. Being a loud and annoying bitch will get you much more attention than being a wallflower.

Masculinity is for me about the right balance for myself and finding a woman who has a compatible balance. If you are more the bad-ass type - where are many likeminded and women and vice versa if you are the sensitive artist type. There is enough and room for every type.

Good point. Nice experience, I experienced something similar when helping a friend moving inside of town. Repressing ones emotion or not being able to control them at all are false friends. You can have both at the same time.

Agreed
Nice discussion mate,
I'm back to work

People are always looking for a leader and if you look like one and stay firm in your believes then you will attract followers. It just seems to be human nature, like the person who is confident to the point of being arrogant about something is probably right. It makes sense evolutionarily but not so much in practice because then fervent idiots, narcissists, sociopaths are all rewarded.

And women in particular are looking for a guy to put them on a leash... of course until they get bored because people don't have any long-term integrity or commitment.

In enjoyed it too. Have a good day!

>of course until they get bored because people don't have any long-term integrity or commitment.
You got this from your incel bible right?

You've never accomplished anything in your life and never will.
And you will get married and your marriage will fail.

And you won't have any idea why because you're another mindless cog in the machine.