Libertarians and fascists are both considered "right wing"

Because there in no such thing as "political compass". Welcome to real life, kiddo

IDK about that other poster, but I'm a redditor. Reddit is cool. What's your issue with that site?

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Do you believe in private property?

Any other answer than 'no' makes you a right-winger. There is no 'but' or 'if'

political compasses is only made for people that are trying to make a point about themselves in opposition to others.

so other right-wingers will call fascists left-wing and liberals will call fascists right-wing. it's all meaningless.

Read Hoppe, faggot.

"In a covenant concluded among proprietor and community tenants for the purpose of protecting their private property, no such thing as a right to free (unlimited) speech exists, not even to unlimited speech on one's own tenant-property. One may say innumerable things and promote almost any idea under the sun, but naturally no one is permitted to advocate ideas contrary to the very purpose of the covenant of preserving and protecting private property, such as democracy and communism. There can be no tolerance toward democrats and communists in a libertarian social order. They will have to be physically separated and expelled from society. Likewise, in a covenant founded for the purpose of protecting family and kin, there can be no tolerance toward those habitually promoting lifestyles incompatible with this goal. They – the advocates of alternative, non-family and kin-centered lifestyles such as, for instance, individual hedonism, parasitism, nature-environment worship, homosexuality, or communism – will have to be physically removed from society, too, if one is to maintain a libertarian order."

Right wing just means not anti-white.

Soviets and amerimutt libtards are both considered left wing despite the first not being tolent of any religion and criminalizing gays

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partisanship due to political divides, the puritanical left considers all not them are whatever can be considered evil. unless given a victim pass like being homosexual or a Muslim regardless of the contradiction.

ex-marxist here
Marx fucked up when he coined the term "private property" for the legally ownership of the means of productions...

BTW Marx is wrong, the historic dialectic is pushed between cultures not classes; the real problem are not the economics but the finances... kill usury, kill jews, kill central and private banks... see capitalism be a heaven

Right = Elitism
Left = Equality
That's all you need to understand this one.
Both encourage elitism in their own ways, libertarianism by the "individual" and fascism by the collectivity, more related to meritocracy.
Quite a simple one fren.

But really this cannot be said to be a mainstream opinion

Right "libertarians" believe in private property rights in the same way feudalists believe in fiefs. Fascism is when right "libertarians" enlist the state to defend those private property rights. This is why fascism is called capitalism under threat.

personal authority

Right of levi Bronstein actually

you were lied to

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>Marx fucked up when he coined the term "private property" for the legally ownership of the means of productions

He didn't fuck up at all. These are all well-defined terms. Just because they are misused by political illiterates doesn't mean he fucked up.

>implying

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i cant read it krout!

oof

Fascism is capitalism in crisis. Every Libertarian and Ancap will turn into a fascist when he regards the Capitalist order threatened by socialist forces. That's why dipshits like you peddle le epic helicopterman meme for example.

fascism doesnt have personal authority though, and libertarians dont have complete authority of self

>What's going on here?

Isn't it obvious? Stupid mutts deviating from the original European definitions for the left-right dichotomy. The Right in Europe means monarchy and hierarchy. In muttland it became “no gubernment dude, weed lmao”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–right_political_spectrum

>Every Libertarian and Ancap will turn into a fascist when he regards the Capitalist order threatened by socialist forces
Ultimately, commie, this is true. Prob the first accurate thing i've heard a damn commie say.
Yeah it is true. Adolf Hitler's political ideology was centered around appealing to libertarians who are seeking to defend freedom against communism.
Ultimately, it's all contextual. If you're GENUINELY being given a choice between the gross and metaphysically evil totalitarianism of communism, or the significantly less authoritarian Nazism, then any sensible and decent person is gonna choose Nazism, even if they're ultimately revulsed by all of that state power, as natural libertarians normally are. In this way, Nazism ends up being hands down the "libertarian" side of the Nazism vs Communism meme.

'Right' and 'Left' are related to the redistribution of wealth, not the balance of power between individual people and the state.

fascism is not right or left, the political compass doesnt work with fascism, it is third positionist, its not on the right nor the left, its retards, jews and commies that thinks its on the right

>Ultimately, commie, this is true. Prob the first accurate thing i've heard a damn commie say.

Whoa dude, it's, like, Communism is basically based on a materialist analysis of the Capitalist mode of production and its history or something. Every single Libertarian or Ancap will claim that he loathes the state and that he wants it gone but the moment the socialists come knocking at his door to seize his shit he realizes that property rights are ultimately and solely protected by the state. So he phones daddy government for help and protection. PATHETIC """IDEOLOGY""""

>Libertarians are actually statists because they don't want to surrender all of their rights to the state
LMAO I can't believe you fucking mouthbreathing mongs can actually say retarded shit like this with a straight face.

Also INB4 "U just don't understand REAL socialism!". No faggot, it's YOU who either doesn't understand or outright lies about your own broken, objectively disproven ideology.

This, political compass is just like INBT, made for autists to feel better about being cummie socks(taxes) eating autists!

Exactly, every Libertarian and Ancap is a statist at heard and during the moment it counts because property rights don't exist without a monopoly on violence in the form of a state. A world without a state is a world without property.

SRS too now I know the script completely. "U dont know wut real socializm is! we're gonna abolish the state!"
except by "abolish the state" you actually just mean "rename the state as a mob" and abolish all of the legal protections that the citizenry has against it.
You are literally advocating for building a complete totalitarian police state where every aspect of humans lives are governed by the state, you're just changing the name of "the state" to something else.

Typical leftist language rigging.

So you are actually doubling down on your assertion that "libertarians are statists because they don't want to surrender all of their property and rights to the state"

OK. And you're saying this unironically and you really believe it. And this is literally the argument that all of your faggot retarded commie buttbuddies make too. Absolutely fucking moronic.

>right and left
Kek. Brainlet.

Keep the strawmen coming and don't forget to call daddy government for protection when someone is about to seize your 'property' while you keep your cognitive dissonance.

Progressive =/= leftist.
There are conservative leftists (i.e., liberals, most Americans) and progressive leftists (coming up with the stuff that conservatives will later defend).

If you make either liberty or equality (or both) your highest political ideals and watchwords, you are a leftist.

My God, you're a retard.

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It's not a strawman. It is literally what you are saying. Literally. You said it twice, yourself. We're statists because we won't surrender our property and rights to the state.
OK. That's not a strawman. That is your argument. You're a fucking retard.

It's based on the ramblings of an incoherent old man who was afraid of technology.

Anything that isn't gay as fuck is far right

>lolbertarian not understanding politics

I'm fucking SHOCKED

Confirmed for never having read Marx. It's like listening to someone who has never read the bible making comments on what he has seen in children's cartoons on the bible channel.

right or left simply depends on the seats taken in parliament.
talking about fascism, in one of the early elections, when the party was still small, they were allied with PLI (italian liberal party) so they sat on the right seats in the parliament emicicle.
That's why fascism is right wing despite mussolini being editor of "l'avanti", an italian left wing socialist newspaper

This. FPBP

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God you faggots are broken records. It's the same exact script every time. It's like when JWs show up at your house on Saturday morning.

>How is this possible? What's going on here?

Libertarians tend to side with the right more often than the left. Fascists also. Libertarians will often claim that fascism is left-wing because of its economic position, though most fascists consider the preservation of traditional values to be more important than economics.

It's not fair to use a person's economic position to purely determine his/her leaning. It's better to consider all factors.

If it's not Karl Marx, it is literally Hitler

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i judge christains by how they live, the same as Marxist.

leftism is a specific thing - the ideology of gibs and chaos
all other politics is right wing by default. different right wing ideologies don't need to have anything in common, except they might make strategic alliances against the leftist horde.

No, you are statists because you believe in private property and property rights require per definition the existence of a statist entity that defends those property rights. In the absence of a state monopoly on violence property rights don't exist because in the absence of a state entity to enforce them you only have the law of the jungle, the law of the strongest. So ultimately whoever can defend what he takes owns what he owns. This isn't even Marxist ideology, dude. This is literally civics 101 Adam Smith shit.

Why do Libertarians always expose themselves as some bumbling politically illiterate fools that can't make 2 coherent arguments?

autism

I am, to say the least, not in any way sympathetic to your position, but you are right here: hardly anyone against Marx knows what he was about. (So much so that it's funny to hear American anti-communists agreeing with many of his aims.) Saying Marx was afraid of technology is about as far from the truth as one could get.

based and leafpilled

>First of all, fuck your meme flags.
Doesn't the sticky post forbid ad hominem?

>Secondly, any form of self discipline is considered right of liberalism.
Really? Most liberal men self-discipline themselves in a feminist sort of way. This may not be your preferred form of self-discipline, but it is a form of self-discipline nonetheless.

>he fell for the left/right dialectic
Wew lad

The O inside the A literally stands for "order". "Anarchy" is not a libertarian ideology at all, it's literally a massively totalitarian ideology where the "state" doesn't get abolished, it just gets rebranded as "a mob" and all of the protections the citizenry has against this new mob (AKA state) are non-existent. There's no bill of rights. They can just murder you, or rob you, or fucking rape you if they wish. It's the ultimate form of totalitarianism, where the violent collective mob/state is fully unrestrained to oppress the people.

He actually looks dumber with eyeglasses on.

Depends of what people mean by left and right. Economically Fascists are more left wing, but when people are talking about social conservatism vs social liberalism, the Fascists are more to the right in that regard. It’s mainly the fualt of people twisting the meaning of left and right. Regardless tho, Fascists and true Libertarians have more in common with eachother than other groups due to how things are nowadays.

But you're not talking about abolishing the state. You're talking about abolishing all of the protections people have FROM the state, and then just changing the name of the state to "a mob" which then has total and complete control over all of citizenry.

It's most total and complete form of totalitarianism there is. So yeah you're literally saying "libertarians are statist" for not wanting to submit their rights and property to the state.

There's really no way around this for you. Sorry.

I thought libertarians were all about freedom.
what part of fascism do libertarians disagree with?

>IDK user, as a libertarian who sees himself genuinely on the right-wing of the political spectrum, I don't feel like I have much in common with any kind of fascist, other than that we both hate communism and neither of us want the white race to die out.
From what I have seen, fascism and libertarianism are two different forms of conservatism, each of which emphasizes a different aspect of conservatism. Fascism emphasizes patriotism and the social right. Libertarianism instead emphasizes the economic extreme right.

>You'd think those two things would be fairly universal sentiments though.
The vast majority of people already hate communism.

Dude. You didn't even understand what I just said and commented on any points you just posted the same shit twice, lmaooo.

>"Anarchy" is not a libertarian ideology at all...
>They can just murder you, or rob you, or fucking rape you if they wish.
>They ...

...who is "they"?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

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just blows those lil libertarian minds doesn't it?

Both Hitler and Mussolini subsidized big corporations and were supported by big business as a result.

The Communists want the government to seize the means of production. The social anarchists favor more grassroots action, such as the creation of worker co-operatives, unions and worker strikes. Fascism does neither.

>You didn't understand wut i said!
>Literally understood everything you said and refuted it.
Why do you waste your fucking breath? You have a BS "giant lie" of an ideology where you promise people you're gonna "abolish the state" but then boom you have "mob rule" and it's literally just "the state" without the bill of rights to restrain it.

Kill yourself, faggot. I gotta go watch some Sopranos now.

>I thought libertarians were all about freedom.
Which means they're left-wingers.
If you make either liberty or equality (or both) your highest political ideals and watchwords, you are a leftist.

libertarianism was originally a leftwing concept.
it was about freedom from authority/ political correctness/ the right. I’m using the word “right” in one of its earliest meanings, for in
Old English “riht”(pronounced “writ”) as an adjective meant lawful, proper, correct,

>so other right-wingers will call fascists left-wing and liberals will call fascists right-wing.

Fascists ARE left-wing and always have been. Anything else they spout off is projecting.

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all the elites are fascists
the only peasants that are fascist are rightwingers

>Old English “riht”(pronounced “writ”) as an adjective meant lawful, proper, correct,
You need to brush up on your OE. "Riht" is pronounced /riçt/. "writ" means "writing".

but that's mostly because rightwing peasants are stupid

Really? because I don't see right wingers defending antifa. Stupid piece of shit.

They both benefit rich people.
Just in different ways.

they'll defend their leaders ( like, oh I dunno what's the last 3 that went to jail?) longer than the left will defend theirs

like the good people that protected and believed the catholic church perverts

they didn't wanna believe their group were corrupt becaust they are the good people

"Libertarian" was always a false flag. It was literally a movement created by billionaires in an effort to recreate another gilded age. Of course it's fucking rightwing, because capitalism is rightwing. Literally always has been and always will be.

Ho ho, let's all listen to the dumb cunt who probably calls democrats "communists" 50 times a day.

so a spokesperson from the church could say we investigated for the 100th time and didn't find anything. that was good enough for them

The only part of this that is wrong is that, like all rightists, redditoss is the brain of a mongoloid and thinks that donut twitter is "communist". Actual leftists fucking hate the rich.

>Go to the zoo
>Call a chimpanzee an elephant
>People correct me and say "That's a chimpanzee"
>I respond "NO TRUE ELEPHANT! NO TRUE ELEPHANT!"

>t. triggered commie

I'm not a socialist of any kind. You're just stupid.

The political compass cannot explain all of politics by itself, but that doesn't make it entirely wrong. You might as well claim that a map of the world is useless because it doesn't label every individual street.

they probably don't know what that is either

>What's your issue with that site?
A lot of people on this site seem to think that every leftist on Jow Forums came from Reddit. This is, of course, a bullshit argument. Many subreddits are right-wing, and I can name several sites that are further left than Reddit off the top of my head.

Lolbertarians are left wing in every single way that matters

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