Small analysis and lessons to learn from the manifesto

>i'm pretty happy that he wasn't explicitly anti-jew in his manifesto.
Yes, because jews aren't the one occupying constantinople. They might influence things, but he didn't go on a rant about them even though wars bring refugees, but still jews didn't genocide christians if you look at history like muslims did.

I saw a video on RT, literal FSA (Free Syrian Army), which are turkey backed terrorists in Syria, they were protesting against Assad in Germany. WHY DOES GERMANY ALLOW THEM?

They were holding FSA flag. Anyone who is against Assad should be killed in Germany. Period. They are the problem why there are refugees flooding europe.

He just seemed angry in his manifesto, he wanted his voice to reach. He called himself violent and he used violence because he want people to understand his pain.

If people ignore his manifesto, then the attack was useless, he wanted to deliver a message. Censoring the manifesto is extremely dumb.

It was already discussed over the weekend. The verdict was that it benefited Jews the most. Pair that with his travel history and tenure in Israel and it’s pretty obvious this was an OP unless you’re a naive statist.

>Imran Hosein is a fool who sucks too much Russian cock. Constantinople is ours and will stay ours
t. Paki we wuz mughals n shit

About Uighurs, you have to look at one belt and one road. US government is trying to destablize it. They are sheltering baloch rebel leaders in Europe and Afghanistan under nose of US military and NATO.

I understand what chinese are doing is wrong, they are doing this to every minority, even christians. I hope muslim countries can talk to them, but muslims rulers are too cucked, they are allies of NATO.

*destabilize
>The verdict was that it benefited Jews the most
maybe, but he did make some good points

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Why would I be talking about retaining Constantinople if I'm also a WE WUZ MUGHAL, dumb shit?
I know you have the IQ of a typical inbred but apply yourself.
Also please stop cousin marriage.

Interesting. Muhammad II, the conqueror of Costantinople, was not the Caliph at the time, Ottoman claim on Caliphate and their correct islamic behaviors was somewhat always considered questionable. Do you think that 1453 was indeed not the conquest of Costantinople predicted by the prophet, but a mere red herring?

Nah, definitely not. Imran Hosein is right about that one and is also right about several other things like interest and currency. I agree with him on about 40% of what he says. The other 60% is batshit tho.

>Did this conquest happen by peaceful means?
Oh I don't know, you tell me how many people who were called X the Conqueror did so peacefully

did you just bump your own post?

OP IS A RABID FAGGOT

SAGE

>If some orthodox christian can answer this question properly, I'll appreciate it.
Speaking as a Serb, I believe Orthodox Christianity isn't really into crusades and violent zealotry the way Catholics are. I could be wrong though, this is just my Serbian observation and other Orthodox Christian varieties might think differently.

>Oh I don't know, you tell me how many people who were called X the Conqueror did so peacefully
Balkans were genocided, and turkish propaganda praised them for doing so. I don't hate turkey, I consider them victim of evil rulers.

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What is happening to muslims today is the reaction of what muslims did to them. I don't know why that's so hard to understand.

>peaking as a Serb, I believe Orthodox Christianity isn't really into crusades and violent zealotry the way Catholics are.
Interesting. Catholics are the one who are siding with Turkey. France was an ally of Ottoman empire for more than a century, I believe

and in 19th century, Germany sided with Ottomans. I doubt if catholics even care about constantinople, I mean a common man might care but not the government.

>the government
See, that's the thing. The only thing the government cares about is profit.

Interesting. Have a bump. Also fuck roaches.

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>The only thing the government cares about is profit.
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Don't be mad, ukistani. I'm stating facts and ready for debate

Islam has changed even in the past 100 years! Your Hafs Quran is from 1924 (Al-Azhar Faruq/Cairo, first made "universal" by Saudi King Fahd in 1985!), and ZERO of its manuscripts agree with one another, the oldest one (ie, Sana'a) being from nearly 100 years after Uthman was supposed to have died. Many Qur'anic stories are repeats of Gnostic and Talmudic fables such as "Syriac Romance of Alexander" and "Targum of Esther and Solomon." Your effeminate rock vagina idol isn't even in the same place it was in the 600s and 700s (pic related).

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can anyone provide link to manifesto

>What is happening to muslims today is the reaction of what muslims did to them. I don't know why that's so hard to understand.
The cousin marriage maybe? The amount of diaspora-pakis who simply cannot understand the simplest of concepts has had me at my wits end some days. I just thank the lord I made it out of Bradford. Usually I would not entertain such a lowly beast draped in such a flag but you speak as if you have greater than room temp IQ so you have my ear for this thread Modassa

link: darkweb.tokyo
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>I just thank the lord I made it out of Bradford.
awesome
> Usually I would not entertain such a lowly beast draped in such a flag but you speak as if you have greater than room temp IQ so you have my ear for this thread Modassa
thanks

anonfile.com/Y6r1JbS3ma/The_Great_Replacement_pdf
or
anonfile.com/g4sdJaSdmd/The_Great_Replacement_docx

So Mudassa I'm serious, how can you see Islam in such a light but your countrymen and their descendants cannot?? Do you see Mohammed and his time after Medina as a warlord or a prohet? Can you be both in Islam?

> What does christianity say about conquest of constantinople?
it is still one of the main seats of Orthodox ecumenical councils.
> they told him that they believe in conquest of constantinople where christians will take it back
there are no prophecies of such even, except those of theologians & fanatic believers.
There was a chance for it during Greek-Turkish war right after 1st WW, but Turks were victorious.
Upon this peace deal, a population exchange was conducted, which effectively moved almost all of Christians out of Constantinople & Turkey as whole. As such, any realistic reclaim of the city without ethnic mass murders ala Holocaust died with it.
Instead of dreaming of reconquest of it, I'd suggest orthodoxes to start conversion campaigns in Turkey (fairly sure they have them already) and find ways to reintroduce Orthodoxy in Western Turkey, as most of the Western Turks are larping as Muslims anyway
> muh Quranic prophecies
Quran was recited to his disciplines by him, not any god.

yeah, both France & Germany allied with Ottomans to keep either Brits, Russians or Habsburgs in check.
Other than that, the actual alliance was just spoken words, not much more than that.

funny because trying to upload any of the screencaps is blocked

yes, it's the first thing I tried to do and I got an error

>So Mudassa I'm serious, how can you see Islam in such a light but your countrymen and their descendants cannot??
Well, islamic scholars of today are the worst kind of scholars that I've ever seen. Majority of them are absolute trash, very few of them teach good things.

I can only name a few scholars from my country who teach kindness and tolerance for minorities. We have so many sects in Pakistan.

I hate Saudi Wahhabism and their way of allying with US to genocide muslims. They don't even allow christians to practice their faith in Saudi, no churches, and yet they rule over Makkah?

I'm trying to educate muslims in my country, but of course, my voice won't reach everyone, but hey, at least I can try?
>Do you see Mohammed and his time after Medina as a warlord or a prohet? Can you be both in Islam?
Quite frankly, I see him as a prophet. I follow the quran. I don't take hadith as a source of guidance since a lot of them contradict quran, for instance, drinking camel piss, killing people for blasphemy, and other things.

None of these exist in Quran, only in fabricated hadith. This wahhabist ideology is promoted by Saudi and fed to ISIS. Any muslim who accepts Islam because their father or mom is a muslim or some scholar told them will end up as radicals.

I see quran as a part of christianity since we have the same prophets and it's there for discipline. You don't have to agree with me though.

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>yeah, both France & Germany allied with Ottomans to keep either Brits, Russians or Habsburgs in check.
true, I'm not denying that.

Britain could've given constantinople back to christians, but they didn't. They allowed the turks to keep it.

>As such, any realistic reclaim of the city without ethnic mass murders ala Holocaust died with it.
I have hope. It can happen only if Turks open their eyes and sees Erdogan as an western asset. Let's see. Thanks for the answer

> I see quran as a part of christianity
Quran can't be part of Christianity as Quran falsely claims Christians to worship three separate gods, one of which according to Quran is Mary.
The fact that "all knowing Allah" couldn't get even the basics of Christianity right just proves that the "god's message" is not from anybody but Muhammed himself.

>Quran can't be part of Christianity as Quran falsely claims Christians to worship three separate gods, one of which according to Quran is Mary.
That is new to me. I've read about jesus being god but not three gods. I'll check it out

firstly, the section of Quran that states such is in 5:116-118.
Secondly, let me give you a theological explanation of Christianity's concept of Trinity:

three aspects of one Godly essence, simple as that.
Aspects themselves equate to hierarchical roles that are to teach Christians what is the might of God & model for sons of God (us, the humans).
Jesus, (some but not all of the God's essence in human flesh), is the prophet and living proof of God's mighty that fulfils the role of showing us what a son of God is.
Holy Spirit (again, some but not all of the essence of God) that is God's influence that touches humans and guides them through action or makes a person act exceptionally,
And Father (again, some but not all of God's essence), the father model whose rules & guidance a Christian is to follow unquestioned.
All of these three aspects form the Godly essence & equate the total revelation that is the loving God.

I thank you for your honesty, could denying the hadiths not get you murdered in your home country ?

>In my opinion, he targeted muslims since he's upset about what muslims did to christians during Ottoman empire since he mentioned Hagiya Sophia in several times.

he targeted muslims because:
>they are highly visible
>they do not assimilate
>they are historical enemies of the west
>they are flooding into our countries
>they are a protected class
the ottomans and such had little to do with the motivation. i think he just drew attention to history to illustrate how far we (european peoples) have fallen, that we are now giving away our countries to our enemies.

You can't blame current generations for crimes of previous generations. Otherwise Italy should just give reparations to just about everybody.
Well I'm not inbred and neither is anyone in my extended family.

>Well, islamic scholars of today are the worst kind of scholars that I've ever seen. Majority of them are absolute trash, very few of them teach good things.
Totally agree here.
I'm not even so concerned if they preach tolerance or whatever, I want them to call out the current decadence of the Muslim world first and tell people to stop inbreeding and to to fight back against feminism.
We are under assault on all ideological fronts but these clowns are talking about prayer rituals on the Friday khutbah.

complete one
had to really compress the shit out of it (fuck you cuckchan), but readability still is okey-ish

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Answer this or you're a faggot OP.

You're right. I found one part which explicitly mentions
>"O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'"
I have read most of the quran if not all. This is interesting, I'll do more research. Thanks for taking the time to explain
>could denying the hadiths not get you murdered in your home country ?
These hadiths look fabricated because they clearly contradict quran, so I deny them. Islamic scholars will defend them because it fits their agenda. Quran stands on top of all in Islam. Majority of them still defend the hadith of marrying 9 year olds or young kids. I thank god that child marriage is banned in my country

I criticize saudi arabia for their crimes and hypocrisy, I'll probably get murdered by the government since they love the saudi riyals in their banks and won't allow anyone to expose them

>Evola endorsed Otto Weininger's views on the Jews. Though Evola viewed Jews as corrosive and anti-traditional, he described Adolf Hitler's more fanatical anti-Semitism as a paranoid idée fixe that damaged the reputation of the Third Reich.[15] Evola's conception did not emphasize the Nazi racial conception of Jews as "representatives of a biological race"—in Evola's view the Jews were "the carriers of a world view ... a spirit [that] corresponded to the 'worst' and 'most decadent' features of modernity: democracy, egalitarianism and materialism."[13]
>Evola argued that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion—whether or not a forgery—accurately reflect the conditions of modernity.[24][15] He believed that the Protocols "contain the plan for an occult war, whose objective is the utter destruction, in the non-Jewish peoples, of all tradition, class, aristocracy, and hierarchy, and of all moral, religious, and spiritual values."[49] He wrote the foreword to the second Italian edition of the Protocols, which was published by the Fascist Giovanni Preziosi in 1938.[49][50]
>Following the murder of his friend Corneliu Zelea Codreanu, the leader of the Fascist Romanian Iron Guard, Evola expressed anticipation of a "talmudic, Israelite tyranny."[15] However, Evola believed that Jews had this "power" only because of European "decadence" in modernity.[8] He also believed that one could be "Aryan", but have a "Jewish" soul, just as one could be "Jewish", but have an "Aryan" soul.[51] In Evola's view Otto Weininger and Carlo Michelstaedter were Jews of "sufficiently heroic, ascetic, and sacral" character to fit the latter category.[22]:105
Me too. Jews aren’t the source of our problems, we are.

the part about attacking the NGOs is absolutely spot on and i bet someone will do it
ngos deserve to be violently exterminated

>I'll also advise people to research why Russia so willingly took control of the Crimea for the Black Sea
Naval bases. It's no secret.

>implying an Aussie couldn’t help but shitpost in his own manifesto a bit
>implying it wasn’t fucking hilarious when the media misinterpreted the navy seals copypasta, or the Candace Owens shitpost
Fuck off conspiracy nigger

>Well I'm not inbred and neither is anyone in my extended family.
you say this Mohammed but why would I take your taqiyya and kitman as proven truths. p.s. it's time to go back, pic related.
Good luck Mudassa, sounds like you have alot to be careful of.

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Schools of the method of recitation, method of recitation
again, method of recitation, there are many of them, doesn't change the source material, you really shouldn't pick one little thing after thing who actually proves nothing, saying a lot of shit doesn't equate to an actual argument
Don't be a retard
>Many Qur'anic stories are repeats of Gnostic and Talmudic fables
Bullshit, compare the textes, you'll see the differences
Your pic is shit too
Stop taking your arguments from Jow Forums and answeringislam, low iq degenerate

im pretty sure there is a prophecy that says russia will retake it and give it to greece and then continue down towards jerusalem but fail to retake that and then get obliterated

Yes, it's part of the reason. I'd be pissed as hell if my country was flooded with refugees, although we are hosting 3 million refugees from Afghanistan, but I guess we have same culture.

Moreover, even ISIS members have sneaked into Europe. I saw a video from RT of FSA rebels protesting against Assad while waving their flags in germany lol. These guys have ideology as ISIS, imagine having ISIS in your country as refugees...

youtube.com/watch?v=Ud_MkxQ-e-Q

These people will do all kinds of crime, but hey, western countries are importing them in big big big numbers. I hope this stops.

>Good luck Mudassa, sounds like you have alot to be careful of.

can you give me some links, please? I'll like to check it out
Thanks. Good luck to you too.
True

Thanks. Good luck to you too.

yeah here it is
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Saint Paisios of Mount Athos

Awesome. Thanks for that. I knew it was going to be Russia

>taiqya kitman
Kys talmud rubenstein
I have no reason to believe you are using your kafir kitman and taqiya against me either

Answer me honestly, why should they stop at retaking Constantinople? You think you should also give Pakistan back to the Poos? Why don't we give all of North Africa back to the Christians next? Then maybe we also give Indonesia over to the Buddhists. Yeah that'll work.
Why not follow through on your logic? Find a Hindu and let him have your house. Oh yeah guess I exposed what a lying hypocrite you are.
You fucking Imran Hosein students are the next useful idiots of the Ummah, I can see that, only instead of serving globohomo you will serve Russia and China.

okay

do you remember the french priest that was beheaded during service? that too was recorded for propaganda.
truly ask yourself: if i did that to an imam (or whatever you call them) in your country, after i had been invited in as a guest, what would the reaction be? how would you feel about that? what would the average muslim think?

Islam has existed in the indus valley since a long time. We didn't invade the hindus and occupied their land.
>I can see that, only instead of serving globohomo you will serve Russia and China.
Russia is opposing the west. China has problems with Islam but no muslims leader has any backbone to talk about them.

West, mainly US is funding baloch rebels like BLA, BLF, BRA, and BRG, and they are trying to destabilize Xijang. China is using extreme force against muslims because they think it's okay. I never said that China is a friend of muslim. They are oppressing the muslims, but do you really think I can do anything about it? I condemn it, yes.

However, Russia has helped Syrians more than any muslim country, and of course, Iran and Hezbollah also helped to fight ISIS and other rebels.

>do you remember the french priest that was beheaded during service? that too was recorded for propaganda.
Sorry, no. I just googled it.
>truly ask yourself: if i did that to an imam (or whatever you call them) in your country, after i had been invited in as a guest, what would the reaction be?
An average muslim would hate the person who did and probably give extremely racist remarks.

If the west tries to cure the cause rather than the symptons (importing refugees), I think the problem will be solved (like Russia), but currently in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan there is foreign military who are funding the "moderate rebels" or "democratic forces."

No one would love the people that commits terror attacks in their country, and I guess the hate is justified.

>how would you feel about that?
I would feel bad about it.

LOL
Islam literally invaded India. Muhammad ibn Qasim ring a bell?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests_in_the_Indian_subcontinent
Its so fun to expose your hypocrisy.

Russia and China currently aren't as bad as globohomo, I'll grant you that. But that doesn't mean we bend the knee to those subhumans either.
Neither of them want anything good for Muslims.

Stop apologising for past misdeeds. Yes they were misdeeds. No we did not commit them. We are not going to pay for the sins of our fathers. If you don't believe that then you reject the Quran you were just now strongly defending over Hadith (correctly BTW).
We aren't giving land back. If they want it they have to fight for it. That's how the world has always been.

Imran Hosein can go fuck himself. I will probably attend of his many lectures as he is now based here and tell him to his face.

im not sure i agree with this.
Some interesting things to note. In hebrew, the holy spirit is a feminine word, so when the holy spirit descended into mary, it was basically feminine god inhabiting marry allowing her to produce fully god jesus (as god the father was father, and holy spirit was mother, but so was mary simultaneously)
This is an interesting thing to note that ive never heard before but picked up when studying language and feminine and masculine words.
It also fits, in that the holy spirit is that part of god which creates directly.
jesus himself is logos, 'the word' can be taken to mean that part of god which is mirrored in the all of creation. As the universe was spoken into creation, jesus is that speech, and by being born it is the universe coming to know itself, and by dying it is god becoming no longer an impossible external force, but one that has experienced that which a god can not experience, and becoming wholly complete.

The problem with using the word aspects is that this implies incomplete parts of a whole. While people might want to question my above interpretations, it is fully dogmatic that each part of the trinity is in itself fully 100% of god. This might make 300% you say, but jesus himself is considered both fully god and fully man, so thats 200% just in himself. Such are the capabilities of god i suppose

you must understand that the same forces funding "democracy" abroad are the same ones denying us a democratic solution at home.

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Islam is fucked; they just don't realise it yet.

I'm not against Jihad though. I fully support Jihad in Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, and Iraq. These are occupied lands.

I'm talking about europe, where the war was unjust. Muslims were not oppressed or something. There was no muslim genocide. Mughals did the same thing.

Let's say if there is muslim genocide, we first try to deal in a peaceful manner, and if everything fails, and there's absolutely no other option, then Jihad can apply. Jihad is different from a normal war, you can only wage Jihad if muslims are getting genocided and there's no other way to stop them, something what ottomans did to christians and mughals did to hindus.

All muslims in Pakistan are not invaders. Do turkish people look like europeans? No, majority don't. We're more close to indians, despite of how much one wants to reject it.

I come from KPK, so I'm more close to afghans in terms of appearance.

>you must understand that the same forces funding "democracy" abroad are the same ones denying us a democratic solution at home.
Yes, and I feel sorry for your people. Taking back your country would result in a civil war, and I don't know if there's any other better way

>Probably the smartest Paki in his country posts about his theological conclusions and geopolitical estimates
>His cousin in England replies back
Beautiful.