So why did communism only arise

in shitholes

why didn't it arise in developed economies like Marx predicted?

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shitholes have nothing to lose, they are fucked up anyway, might as well try this new thing that promises to make them developed (it doesn't)

>it doesn't
lol

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read lenin

Because Capitalist hegemony is too strong in the west, people submit against their own interest. It also wasn't supposed to be something that happened over night, it could take decades for all Marx knew

Marxist theory isn't correct and third-world Marxist states became de-facto developmental dictatorships. These governments took on a red veneer because they were in many cases sponsored by the USSR.

Because capitalism/communism/facism.. are means of technological development. The system will accomodate each one according to which will bring material and technological progress with the highest efficiency. Whenever the mean is rendered obsolete (When efficiency decreases for exemple), it gets discarded and replaced by something more efficient (China bears witness)

It appears that communism works best in Eurasia. It appears that capitalism is what generally worked best in the western world.

Communism has been the most efficient way of industrialising countries, so far. Why? I could not tell you. Maybe it is because of the cultural tendencies of the chinese and russian cultures that make it possible for communism to be the most efficient mean of production. Maybe it is geographical... There can be many, many reasons, but it is not where the question lies.

Read Kaczynski. Marx is great, but came too early to fully comprehend the technological question and its implications. Keep in mind that Marx's definition of communism has pretty much NOTHING to do with what we call 'communism'. To Marx, communism is a point in time, just like capitalism. A point in time on the linear development of humanity. Communism is the inevitable outcome of a capitalist mode of production. They cannot coexist, ever. I can elaborate on this topic if you have specific questions.
I'll reiterate: read Kaczynski.

Apathy, most jobs dont horrendously mutilate you anymore

It can only arise in undeveloped places with no access to information and even then only with violence. It cannot stand the test of rational scrutiny.

Regimes claiming to be communist doesn't automatically change the society to communist

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune

Not this shit again. I'm too tired to actually give sources and shit but try to read books that waren't made by US government. Maybe tomorrow I'll comment in this thread. I'm going to sleep.

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typical lazy communist

A tired communism if anything. I got only 5 hours left for sleeping so I'm not going to write detailed posts with sources.

So are you disputing that they were developmental dictatorships, or that they were sponsored by the USSR?

>America bombs every nation that doesn't play by their rules
>Gee, the rest of the world sure is a shithole isn't it?

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>it says "commune" so it must be communism!
history brainlet. the revolution was a hodgepodge of liberals and proto-anarchists who felt betrayed by the conservative administration in charge of the 3rd French Republic and wanted greater autonomy for the area. They called it the "Paris Commune" in reference to the French Revolution, which wasn't communism either.

there's a reason communism has lost relevancy in pretty much all internet forums (and in academia). you guys are simply dumb and wrong.

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Communism is the superior mode of government but material dialectism has some serious errors.

countries are a shithole because of low IQ.

Because it was just nationalist republicanism with red paint. See China

>America bombed Russia and China

IQ is astrology for incels

America never bombed Russia.

>you guys are simply dumb and wrong

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Wow, just wow, you are dumb.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Russia_Intervention

>i don't like the implications it has therefore it's wrong!
common dude. not even liberal geneticists deny the importance of IQ and how hereditary it is. anyone who studies the issue knows egalitarianism is a few years from being discarded

[citation needed]

Learn your history dumbass

>The heritability of IQ for adults is between 57% and 73%[6] with some more-recent estimates as high as 80%[7] and 86%.[8] Genome-wide association studies have identified inherited genome sequence differences that account for 20% of the 50% of the genetic variation that contributes to heritability.[9] IQ goes from being weakly correlated with genetics, for children, to being strongly correlated with genetics for late teens and adults. The heritability of IQ increases with age and reaches an asymptote at 18–20 years of age and continues at that level well into adulthood. This phenomenon is known as the Wilson Effect.[10] Recent studies suggest that family and parenting characteristics are not significant contributors to variation in IQ scores.

>IQ is hereditary
>Wealth, class, and opportunity are not
retard

This. The opportunity cost for revolution in developed economies is too great.

Good. Now how do you explain the gargantuan leap to conclude that shitholes are shitholes because of IQ?

Developed countries require specialists. Can't pay for your brain surgery with 10,000 potatoes. Also, western individualism prevents identitarian collectivism.

you know that's the truth. every single internet space that assures free speech goes right wing or liberal almost immediately, because communists not only have shit arguments, but a history of their system failing beind them. it's sad desu, it would be good if there was an alternative to right wing x liberals but you guys are simply dumb and wrong

Great analysis of Marx, you should write a book.

>gargantuan leap
Doesn't understand IQ. Intelligence structures everything you do in life. Your plans, your actions, your decisions etc etc. You use intelligence every single second, and it doesn't take much brain power to realize that countries who score in the retarded range of IQ, aren't going to be well developed, simply by the fact that they don't have the intelligence to do any complex task.
But anyway, i suggest you read at least these books:
The G Factor - Arthur Jensen
IQ and The Wealth of Nations - Lynn

>Intelligence structures everything you do in life. Your plans, your actions, your decisions etc etc. You use intelligence every single second
Then why are you on Jow Forums?

no one's analyzing marx, i'm just making fun of literal retards on the internet. marx is old, gay, and irrelevant.

I like the way imageboards are structured. I can't go back to old style forums, they simply don't flow as well as imageboards.

>Doesn't understand IQ. Intelligence structures everything you do in life.
First you mention IQ, then you start explaining intelligence. Hmm...

So what is intelligence? Is it "The ability to find patterns and sequences"? Then what about people who can't do that but can, perhaps, use language to great effect? Are they more or less intelligent? Is intelligence purely intellectual or is it also emotional and to what degree?

All of those conclusions are based on statistics which suggest correlations between various averages of IQ and social measures such as income and criminality etc - but what those averages don't show you is that there is nothing you can know about an individual with a higher than average IQ - there are people with very high IQ's who can barely function in society and who need help and supervision to cope with everyday life because they have so little of the other types of intelligence, such as social intelligence and practical intelligence.

Literally, the only thing that IQ measures is the ability to complete IQ tests.

Ways to guarantee being a shithole:
>Be communist
Ways to not be a shithole:
>Be Smart
>Have oil
>Be a tax haven

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>1920
So the point still stands America didn't bomb the communism out of Russia, you fucking commie moron lol

Ways to guarantee being a shithole:
>Be positioned where great forces meet
>Have always been a shithole and/or taken advantage of
Fixed it for you.

You took the bait lol

You have to realise that teaching the doctrines of the ""real"" left is way harder than spreading
balant nationalism.
Indentity politics also play a huge role in this, but I would say that a fair critique of the left is their hyper concern with the "social" values they have instead of focusing in political and economical ones. They attract crazy feminists (for example) that only shout the most balant ideas and making the political party shoot itself in the foot. And its not in most men's and women's interest to destroy concepts of marriage, couples and family or see others not binding to it.

Lay off the YouTube cringe compilations, buddy

>Be positioned where great forces meet
Can you give an example? Poland? South Korea? Belgium?

>Lay off the YouTube cringe compilations, buddy
Do you understand that his examples are in fact very supported in the doctrines of the left.

Marx's predictions failed largely because of one misunderstanding regarding economies of scale. Marx thought capital would eventually concentrate into a smaller and smaller number of individual capitalists, which will lead to social unrest and eventually revolution and the overthrow of capitalism. He didn't appreciate the fact that economies of scale can turn into diseconomies as firms grow too large to effectively manage. I can forgive Marx himself for assuming economies of scale can grow exponentially because no economist understood otherwise but I can't forgive modern Marxists who take on his very basic mistakes and refuse to let go of their comforting apocalyptic myth.

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>muh left muh right
I don't speak in memes, sorry.

a system that is incapable of defending itself against other opposing systems is inherently inferior

Yes

What about making good replies and correcting people instead of avoiding discussion.
How else do you want me to indentify those "ideologies" if the most efficient and recognized term is "left"?

>So what is intelligence? Is it "The ability to find patterns and sequences"?
It's the ability to learn novel problems and solve them, using previous knowledge of the subject or not (crystalized and fluid intelligence). IQ measures both of these abilities, with the pattern recognition phase(novel problems that are self explanatory), and the verbal phase (knowledge acquired by reading, being literate etc). This is why IQ tests are used to detect kids with learning disabilities. They are bad at IQ tests because the pattern recognition is self explanatory, and they can't learn how to solve it in the window of time.
>Literally, the only thing that IQ measures is the ability to complete IQ tests.
Wrong. It measures your ability to deal with novel problems. That is literally learning. For example, someone teaches you that a thing plus another thing (novel problem) results in a third thing. Your teacher shows you two apples, the he adds a third and asks you if the number of apples are still the same as before. After some examples showing that concept, your brain understands how to abstract that information, and congratulations, you've learned how to add. This is the type of thing IQ does but in a much more neat and self explanatory way.

>Everyone I don't like is "left"
>How else do you expect me to attack them?

>novel problems
Keeping it vague, nice.

>If he is not supporting me and asking questions and making points then he is my enemy
Im not even trying to shit on any ideology mah dude. This was more meant to be a QnA to clarify things for me.

How is "new information" vague? Read the learning how to add example again, and realize that there is a gap between me saying that having two apples and adding another one equals three, and you understanding that fact and applying to other objects, and later abstracting it further and using sign language (numbers), and learning how to add things like 50+50 or whatever. You can't teach intelligence, that gap between new information and learning belongs to brain structures. All that the teacher does is facilitate the information so that it's easily digestable, but the learning itself can only be done by the brain.

None of those states could or did abolish commodity production and wage labour. Democratic Kampuchea was the only state based enough to even do something as simple as totally abolished money and put four eyed dorks in their place

Economies are much more highly monopolistic than in the 19th century and online platforms will make this worse throughout this century.

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>might makes right
Stop defending imperialism you absolute ghoul

hol up

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>Economies are much more highly monopolistic than in the 19th century and online platforms will make this worse throughout this century.
Companies can be larger and more efficient which results in lower costs. I don't know what the hell your point is because no matter what there's going to be a point where costs begin to rise as a company continues to grow and as long as this exists Marx is refuted since capital is not being concentrated into a smaller and smaller number of hands.

imperialism is essentially darwinism in practice

read Francis Galton

There's little marginal costs when dealing with data, it's not like oil refining. You can have increasing returns.

Okay dude.