Very Concerning

Canvassing opinions from kiwis and abroad on current events and their worrying pace.

Does anyone else feel like Jacinda really has no right or mandate for the radical changes shes proposing and is likely to propose in the future? Gun laws? Likely hate speech laws? Online censorship?

The poor kid thats on trial for sharing the livestream, pretty sure thats a breach of BORA. And now they've DNS blocked posting on Jow Forums? Pretty sure thats a breach of BORA too.

Its really funny, Jacinda isn't actually that popular in general, shes just pumped up a lot by our media and especially international media at the moment. They easily forget she didn't get in with a majority government and now shes forcing through pretty radical, slippery slope type laws that don't lead anywhere good.

Should they regulate 30rd mags beyond a law just saying "can't have that"? Yes, you should need an E-cat to buy the mags, and if you sell the mags to anyone without one you should go to jail. Should we ban all semi-autos just to virtue signal to the world cause a fuckin Aussie IRL shitposter shot up a mosque in the most racist city in the country? I'm not so sure about that...

I keep seeing the number 15,000 MSSRs being thrown around in the news like it matters at all. The ARs we're talking about aren't MSSRs, they are A-Category. ARs, AKs, SKSs, all very popular A-Cat Firearms, all fall into the MSSR category minus a few changes, and between those and the like there are probably 300,000 or more out there, unregistered and untracked.

I'm all for a good social discussion about all these topics but I know Jacinda doesn't really know what she's doing here and shes moving so fast theres nothing we can do to fix that.

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>in the most racist city in the country?
tell me about the jesuit school the special studio effect and The Crown Lodge of ChristChurch please

Footage from 2nd mosque attack emerges
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Always some Canadian autist shitting things up, everyone here knows chch is famous for skinheads

OP - I predict draconian hate speech and gun control laws, and then, Muslim atracks, killing hundreds of kiwis. Then liberals will be thrown out of power forever as the people elect an authoritarian leadership

I don't want New Zealand to end up going in the direction of the United Kingdom. I've always liked this country for the freedom of content you can consume, but online censorship and hate speech laws threatens to put an end to that.
It's even more infuriating considering that this is exactly what Brenton intended - New Zealand has always been peaceful and will continue to be peaceful regardless of gun reforms or not.

>everyone here knows chch is famous for freemason
corrected it for you senpai
so whatsup with the biggest freemason lodge of NZ and the only jesuits school of the country ?
it's a little town
what do you know about the special effect studio at which the parkland student went ? it must be well known right ?
none of you kiwi will answer ?

come on who are the royal arch masons ?

Just adopt the same philosophy as Americans with this shit. Look at the UK, look at Australia, see where this bullshit gets you. Just don't do it, dude.

did i kill your thread ?
sorry kiwi

welcome to the brave new world comrade

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More autism from Canadians. You've never even been here schitzo

>schitzo
and here you are

Totally agree, and I think people like us are going to be the silent majority who watch us become a police state and do nothing about it

We already have a very free and "American" philosophy, which is why potentially losing a level of freedom unique in the commonwealth is worrying.

No one is replying to you because your crap is irrelevant.

Based. New Zealand should learn from Singapore.

no one is replying at all did you wonder why ?
now what do you know about christchurch and freemasonry ?
did you know there was a special effect studio in christchurch that hosted the survivor of the parkland shooting last years ?
did you know it was the host to a jesuit school ?
irrelevant you said ?

>leaf

shiit you're dodging the question way too hard come on tell me what you know
which lodge are you from ?
why can you keep posting if the chan is banned ?
tell me who you work for

when is nz elections? we need to meme her out of office

It will make you rage harder when you find out that your fellow country men will sell out to the government, When our government came up with the snoopers charter that lets them look at the last year of your web history all the fucking normies here just said nothing to hide nothing to fear

Im scared your aids is going to affect us over here. But then again we probably deserve it seeing he's australian.

>leaf
You don't know shit.

You are already in trouble at least we had nationalists in power to moderate left wing retardation for a while.

I don't know anything about CHCH and Freemasonry. The reason there is a Jesuit school there is because it was founded by Catholic brits. Masonry is dead here has been since before it began.

You're not actually making any real claims your just insinuating there is a conspiracy based on the fact there is a lodge and a school in proximity to a studio?

What evidence do you have that anything is not as it is being reported?

move along, nothing to see here

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Free Masons are fucking dead here they are full of larping boomers.

Glass that cunt, mate.

yeah but the leaf doesnt know that

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>BORA

>"Section 5 allows for "Justified Limitations" on the rights guaranteed by the Act which are "subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society", which is the same wording as contained in Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms. In July 2015 in Taylor v Attorney-General the Auckland High Court took the unprecedented step of issuing a formal declaration that an electoral law amendment stripping all prisoners of voting rights was an unjustifiable limit of section 12(a) of the Bill of Rights."

What this means for us, is that we don't actually have inalienable "rights" like Americans do for example. What we have a pseudo "rights" which apply only as the government sees fit. Not kidding. We don't actually have rights which cannot be fucked with, what we actually have are no rights, but merely privilages, and the government reserves its authority to alter or remove those privileges from us at any time for any reason or no reason.

So freedom of expression is allowed. Unless you say something the government doesn't want you to say, and then it is not allowed.

Jacinda has betrayed the freedom of her countrymen, and you outright, legally, do not have any rights to anything. How is that different from a prison? It is not. You are literally living on a prison Island, like Alcatraz.

Not even being dramatic. You do not have rights. Keep that in mind when you think about doing something the government doesn't want you to do, while relying on the BORA as a defense, because if it goes to trial, all the crown prosecution has to say is "we don't like it therefore you're guilty", and it is so.

This is EXTREMELY concerning. But that's what is happening.

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What is the Holy Cross College and what is happening there ?
What is The Crown Lodge ?
it's a bbq club ??
you tell me a 283 000 habitant city
is the host to all this organization and you know nothing about it ?
the parkland shooting victim went to christchurch for "a summit with the Student Volunteer Army to learn more about youth leadership movements."
the same student that started the hashtag #neveragain and militated for gun control
the same that visited the special effect studio
fucking irrelevant you said ?
let me as you again which lodge are you from ?

always the same
>freemason are dead
>it's just fucking boomer
>they just do bbq party
how are you guy posting if your ISP banned Jow Forums ?

Literally every one of those things makes sense to me without a conspiracy. I'm not going to go into why, I'm actually just going to leave you to rant. Try posting something that can't be explained by coincidence.

We can still post because our intelligence agencies and police are retarded and don't know how to internet. That's why you're seeing them clown on the world stage at the moment.

The free masons down ferry road are just dumb larpers.

depressing

>how are you guy posting if your ISP banned Jow Forums ?
masons get a free pass bro

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NZ is going full retard

>The owner of a Christchurch insulation company that promotes Nazi themes has been charged with distributing objectionable material.
>Stuff understands the Avonside home of company owner Phil Arps was raided by police on Tuesday.
>When asked to confirm this, a police spokesman said police executed a search warrant at an Avonside address at 11am.
>"A 44-year-old man was charged with distributing objectionable material. He is scheduled to appear at Christchurch District Court tomorrow."

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>Try posting something that can't be explained by coincidence.
>Parkland survivor are in Christchurch for a week-long summit focused on enhancing youth leadership movement and visiting a special effect studio
>Just happen to be the home of the biggest masonic lodge of NZ
>mason that use name like The Supreme Grand Royal Arch Chapter of New Zealand
>who has the responsibility for governing the three degree of the Royal Arch, the four degrees of Cryptic Masonry, and the degrees of the Royal Ark Mariner oh and the Red Cross of Babylon
>together these seek to extend the understanding of Masonic philosophy to Craft Masons and provide enlightenment about the manner in which they and all Masons may conduct their lives.
but they're just doing bbq
so your ISP are totally dumb ?

Tbh I'm using my 33rd degree VPN, brother

Yeah it's kind of disconcerting that an Internet brainless like me could find a way to sidestep the efforts of our nation's cybersecurity experts. No wonder chinese interests are all up in our shit (just kidding they get everything straight from judith collins)

Unless of course they are watching to see who gets around it, which titillates me greatly knowing some poor asshole is trawling through my shitposts AT LEAST YOU ARE KEEPING THE COUNTRY SAFE. YOU WANT A SAFE COUNTRY, RIGHT? UH OH THAT MAKES YOU A NATIONALIST

you want some information on how to enter Royal Arch Masonry ?
>Based on stories of the Old Testament, the Degrees take the Candidate from the building of the Temple of King Solomon to the aftermath of its destruction when the Jews were carried into captivity. Ultimately Cyrus, Emperor of Persia, granted them permission to return from captivity in Babylon to rebuild the Temple at Jerusalem. In clearing the ground of the original Temple for the new foundations the Candidate makes a number of discoveries which, without transgressing the bounds of religion, lead him to contemplate his personal relationship with his Supreme Being.
sound fun right ?

>AT LEAST YOU ARE KEEPING THE COUNTRY SAFE. YOU WANT A SAFE COUNTRY, RIGHT? UH OH THAT MAKES YOU A NATIONALIST
Kek

Fuck that dumb bitch and fuck the crown.
Do NOT give up your arms NZ. This was worse than Benny Overbeeke and the Port Arthur attack.
Americans will have your back, we wont sit back and watch blue helmet NATO nogs kill new Zreelanders for not giving up their arms.

you guys want an excerpt of the last degree before I go ? no ?
i will do it anyway
>Exaltation to the Degree of the Holy Royal Arch. This degree encompasses the lessons to be learnt from the building of the second Temple. It guides the Candidate’s progress to a greater understanding of the whole meaning of Freemasonry so that at the last, having corrected his imperfections he may humbly, yet confidently, hope to be admitted with the Sanhedrin and be welcomed by the Prince.

So this cunt's name is P.Arps?
Unfortunate.

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heard some mainstream radio show host hysterically asking why ISPs shouldn't be able to disconnect anyone who visits 'gab' a 'right wing extremist website'. To achieve this he wants ISPs to spy on everyone.

The far left are dangerous and they're abusing this event for their own acceleration

Been talking with my gun owning and non-gun owning friends about this and we all reached the same conclusion as you more or less, banning all semi-autos seems like such a knee jerk reaction. maybe get rid of MSSA and just have all Semi-autos need an E-cat.

Don't know much about this lady, but the Muslim head covering she is wearing seems like a rather obvious statement of bias. Also she seems to be anorexic which does not inspire confidence in her stability.

this is what happens when you're an ex-imperial territory with 1,000 years of kissing royal ass baked into your DNA and with no shred of an inkling of the concept of individual rights or liberties. Guns to kiwis are nothing more than a fun hobby or privilege that can be taken away on a whim. Whoop-de-doo you traded inbred monarchs for socialist overlords but the dick still feels the same doesn't it mate.

Sounds like we're chimping out

>National party
>They must be nationalists
Uhhh

you guys wanna know whhat Sanhedrin mean ?
>he Sanhedrin (Hebrew and Jewish Palestinian Aramaic: סנהדרין; Greek: Συνέδριον, synedrion, "sitting together," hence "assembly" or "council") were assemblies of either twenty-three or seventy-one rabbis appointed to sit as a tribunal in every city in the ancient Land of Israel
you guy understand who the prince is ?
probably not have a good night guys

>KEEPING THE COUNTRY SAFE
like they did on friday

e-cat is abit extreme for a .22 semi but thats prob whats gonna happen

Just want to say that there are more than enough real kiwis left to resist the far left. They are making their move now. They are insane and will destroy our country. We can rationally btfo their shit arguments and theories and violence doesn't need to be used. We are living under tyranny make no mistake but there is still hope. Freedom isn't free.

good luck friendo. tell anyone being mean to you that it's what the attacker wants!

What Nazi themes?

There are more than enough level headed people to resist this knee jerk (and conveniently on-hand) law change, but that's why they're trying to get onto it NOW, while its still something of a faux pas to be heard disagreeing with the current climate

NZ doesn't seem to have a very strong national identity. They don't have the whole "muh liberty" thing to fall back on like the yanks, or even the half-arsed australian battler bullshit like we do. It seems like they've just coasted along like a small town that no one has noticed, having a very easy going and free society until now, but they won't be able to resist the globohomo machine now that its eye has fallen upon them.

>anorexic
It's meth

I like that outcome better than all semi-autos being banned, which to my knowledge, looks like what is going to happen.

>We already have a very free and "American" philosophy
If it's not specifically enumerated in a bill of rights, you don't have it. Neither do we.

Whatever they want. "OK" hand signal is objectionable and you're going to jail if you use it

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We can't do anything short of revolution in the short term. Not promoting that SIS you scoundrels. All political parties support law change it's over.

His Van had the black sun symbol painted onto it

you know who i am talking about dont be dumb.

You're not far off. We have an extra naive breed of political loudmouth who cannot comprehend that anyone from an exotic country may not have our best interests at heart

That's what you think kid

i have no hop for anything positive. i've already been seeing fuck white people tagged on buildings. the way i see things going is either retaliatory violence which speeds ahead the rope tightening around us and loss of our "rights" (privileges as puts it). or, we have this sudden bump in gun rights restrictions and freedom of speech checks, but things simmer down and the decay carries on as usual. replacement won't stop, hatred of whites won't stop, and maoris are so retarded they'd side with foreigners over the people who have treated them unprecedentedly well. either way though, same path just a different pace.

I saw "fuck white people" drawn onto a wall today that had been reserved for people to draw on with messages for the people that got shot.

>its eye has fallen upon them

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Your country really is like the Shire. A small oasis of comfyness and sanity in a dangerous world, and very vulnerable. It's not clear that any hero is coming to save you.

Shitposting on something like that
How disrespectful

You should encourage brown racists in this country not complain about it.

it's a pretty apt comparison and i'm not confident in our people or government being equipped to handle it, we're too fat and jolly and soft, like a stupid hobbit. like the huge over reach they've been doing with the video; i think the event is just so shocking to them they don't know how to handle it. i was shocked and i'm on fucking Jow Forums, just didn't expect this to reach us in that way. and of course the very easy and obvious solution is just send islam and incompatible groups packing, no more violence both ways if they're gone. but no it'll just swing in the other direction because people are stupid and naive and some are malicious. just very depressing, but that's the state of the world i guess. we were just spared til now.

I do wonder if the reaction belies a little bit of racism; "I'm shocked that a white person did this, normally terrorism is done by violent brown people, giving me a chance to be publicly virtuous and forgiving over something that didn't actually affect me"

We had this naive notion that New Zealand was a peaceful country, nice and safe at the bottom of the world and that no harm would come to us, that Illusion was shattered.

Another Illusion that our country has is that we are too small and isolated for anyone to invade. I suspect that Illusion will be shattered as well.
If one Tarrent can stroll through a city killing people at random then a few thousand who are determined could easily take over the country while our bumble fuck populace stared in a daze like sheep being slaughtered. It's not like our Key Stone cops or under funded defense force would do shit.

I do get a bit of a sense that we've had it too good for too long. I figured eventually there'd be a terrorist attack, but could you fault me for assuming it'd have been a handful of muslims doing the shooting? In fact when I heard it was a mosque shot up, my immediate thought was "at least they're just shooting each other"

>guy uses Nazi symbol as his business logo
>van has presumably been driving around for years with the same symbol on it and no-one has done shit
>now it's suddenly illegal
>dude gets arrested for objectionable materials
So basically what we're saying is that they can declare something that was perfectly fine and legal a second ago to be "objectionable" at any time and fuck you over for having it even though it was legal for you to own it yesterday and there's literally nothing you can do to defend yourself? Why the fuck is this allowed?

Because you have no constitutional rights. You and us both were established as a colony under the absolute authority of the governor, and that mentality remains.

Honestly i knew we have plenty of loons in this country and with a left wing government it was only a matter of time. James Shaw got smacked in the face the day before this terror attack while walking to parliament, apparently over the UN Migration Pact.
So if darky wants to play get whitey then we shouldn't stop him because we have alot more nutters than them who are already agitated.
The only thing stopping shit getting serious like it was getting under Brash is white liberals who can speak to both sides and we know they don't have our interests at heart anymore.

Yes, as the Aus fag says we were set up as colonies and they wanted to keep power centralised so we didn't end up in rebellion. If the British hadn't lost WW2 we would still be a colony and technically are still a colony as the Queen remains our head of state.

The irony of it all is that the shooter wasn't even a kiwi. If anything, they should immediately close all borders. But of course, Jacinda is likely simply trying to please her international keepers. She's probably scared. But since women in general suck at leadership, she'll be easily controlled into what the elites want. Hell they probably placed her in the first place.

I'm posting on 4 chan and it seems to be working

>Look at the UK, look at Australia, see where this bullshit gets you. Just don't do it, dude.

You're assuming we have a choice.

>Should they regulate 30rd mags beyond a law just saying "can't have that"? Yes

Tell me the difference between a magazine that holds 29 rounds and one that holds 31. Why the arbitrary number?

It's bureaucratic nonsense designed to placate an idiotic public that demands action

She doesn't but the media love her and that's all that matters!!!!

Well its true

Your own prime minister is parading around in a headscarf, fast tracking anti gun legislation and is pledging to import more shitskins. NZ has overtaken Canada and the uk on the western country cuck list

>heard some mainstream radio show host hysterically asking why ISPs shouldn't be able to disconnect anyone who visits 'gab' a 'right wing extremist website'. To achieve this he wants ISPs to spy on everyone.
lmao we're fucking doomed

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Mate soon we’re gonna reach UK levels of speech restriction when it has bipartisan support here

yeah we're completely fucked, look at that snake cunt ScoMo completely cucking and selling us out, he's somehow even worse than fucking Shorten

absolutely disgusting

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Was it some cuck on RNZ?

Worlds going to hell
Probably for the best

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Testing if I can actually post, if so op you lie

Burger elite's secure little patch of land they were going to use as a bolthole
Gone

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>look at that snake cunt ScoMo completely cucking and selling us out
It's not helping that there's an NSW election on Saturday and he's probably trying desperately not to have the state libs wiped out

>
that was whole point of shooting, :) defend your freedom or perish faggot cuck. all this would happen anyway, but slowly, like this you can easily push back.

Jacinda & her party a pack of EXTREMIST MUSLIM TERRORISTS.

THE BRITISH GOVERNOR GENERAL SHOULD REMOVE THEM FROM OFFICE.

MUSLIMS TEACHING EXTREMISM IN BRITISH SCHOOLS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=95GxhqjHZ3E

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>"We are being dragged into the status of an Asian colony and it is time that New Zealanders were placed first in their own country."
>On 26 April 2005, he said: "Māori will be disturbed to know that in 17 years' time they will be outnumbered by Asians in New Zealand", an estimate disputed by Statistics New Zealand, the government's statistics bureau. Peters responded that Statistics New Zealand had underestimated the growth-rate of the Asian community in the past.
>In a speech at Orewa in 2005, he criticised immigration from Asian countries as "imported criminal activity" and warned that New Zealanders were "being colonised without having any say in the numbers of people coming in and where they are from."

I don't know about you blokes, but this sounds very familiar. I don't know, how about replacing 'Asians' with 'Muslims'. Maybe that might help us to remember.

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Let's all keep pretending that muslims are the problem and ignoring the fact that Australia and New Zealand are literal Chinese colonies at this point. I've been to both countries and Australia has it much worse. I spent a week in Sydney and it is insane. It was RARE to hear English spoken on the subway and good on you if you manage to find a good honest pub in between the blocks and blocks of chinese and hot pot restaurants. I literally saw more white people in SHANGHAI than I did in downtown Sydney.

New Zealand wasn't as bad, they don't have as many Chinese colonists but they have a problem that is arguably worse. Every fucking place I went there, Wanaka, Tekapo, Queenstown, Franz josef, you fucking name it and it's full of 4-6 mega buses all disgorging a horde of loud shouting chink tourists who push and shove and throw their trash everywhere. I can't even begin to describe some of the things I saw there.

And he's flying to Istanbul at the behest of the Turkish government so he can bend the knee to the same man currently using the footage at his election campaign rallies. What a fucking joke.

Fuck off back to your country achmed.