Alright Jow Forums. If UBI isn't the answer to neo-automation, what is?

>identical total output
>cant have identical quality of life because people have to work fewer hours to produce it!
Technically yeah, you would have improved quality of life.

This.

Learn to code is a meme. And even simple code is starting to get done by AI programs. There has to some kind of cushion for people to adjust and allow people to adjust. This round of authorization will kill millions of everyday jobs more quickly than the previous industrial revolution.

complete shutdown of immigration to the US.

I think UBI may be useful in the future but I think for now, we should just focus on making sure everyone is fed, housed, and productive. That really means we only need to spend on those under the poverty level, which is far cheaper than UBI.

the private accumulation of wealth

we’ve already gone through automation in industries before... it was no big deal

Also
libertarianism.org/columns/libertarian-case-basic-income

>Both Milton Friedman and Friedrich Hayek advocated for something like a Basic Income Guarantee as a proper function of government, though on somewhat different grounds. Friedman’s argument comes in chapter 9 of his Capitalism and Freedom, and is based on the idea that private attempts at relieving poverty involve what he called “neighborhood effects” or positive externalities. Such externalities, Friedman argues, mean that private charity will be undersupplied by voluntary action.

>[W]e might all of us be willing to contribute to the relief of poverty, provided everyone else did. We might not be willing to contribute the same amount without such assurance.

>Friedrich Hayek’s argument, appearing 17 years later in volume 3 of his Law, Legislation, and Liberty, is even more powerful. Here’s the crucial passage:

>The assurance of a certain minimum income for everyone, or a sort of floor below which nobody need fall even when he is unable to provide for himself, appears not only to be wholly legitimate protection against a risk common to all, but a necessary part of the Great Society in which the individual no longer has specific claims on the members of the particular small group into which he was born. (emphasis added)

Explain the stagnating real wages and the 1% receiving most of the profits from productivity gains then

self responsibility
learn a skill that won’t be automated for a while
don’t ask the government or big business for a handout, get an education and training
the future for unskilled people should be stop having children and try to survive with meagre skills you do have

YEAH MAN KILL THE RICH PEOPLE AND TAKE ALL THEIR SHIT

that just encourages people to drop out.
you tell people they cant work so here is money, they wont even try. Even under the UBI idea, which exists to compensate for the fact that jobs are scarce, its not telling people they cant work so here is money, its just giving everyone money, and psychologically people will not feel like they shouldnt be taking jobs where they can for additional income.

UBI is internally self consistent, it is an idea that works within capitalism. Unfortunately if we dont end capitalism in the next 20-30 years we are going to go extinct anyway.

>eat cake :^)
thats my solution, yangfags are trying to stop it by implementing an alternative

white genocide.

mass deportation or extinction

When there’s a large portion of the population that doesn’t have a chance to get a job, they’re either going to start a revolt, or train to compete for your job. What we’re talking about is a complete destabilization of society.

For you to get off your ass and own a machine or starve

>Please let me work 60 hrs a week for the same real compensation for a few years while I wait to save up and have kids when I'm 35 with no paternal or maternal leave
>Oh yeah and executives deserve constantly increasing wages no matter what the economic situation for workers because they're so valuable

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Sure, just $100,000 to $150,000 for the robot arms alone including peripherals and not including the rest of the manufacturing plant, supplies, building, power, supply chain, etc.

Executive wages aren’t the problem. The difference I never the return on capital and wage growth is the problem. Between automation, offshoring, and mass immigration, the value of the average employee is basically shit. This is especially true in low skill jobs, where workers are actually making less than they were 40 years ago.

All of the productivity gains are being funneled to the top. Workers were supposed to have a 15 hour work week by now because of technological advances. But no, they keep getting juiced for everything they're worth and treated like shit and brainwashed into fighting each other to the bottom and begging for the right to suck some corporate cock for the unchanging scraps of their operations.

Nothing is going to change. The people controlling the economic machine have every reason to keep it going this way. The only real solution is for you to use the system to acquire capital for yourself and your posterity. Save up money to invest so that your family can be part of the future elite. Social mobility is still such that a poor person can acquire enough wealth to move up the ranks. It’s harder than it used to be, but it’s easier than it will be once automation and AI kick in. Start now and your grandkids will thank you.

The productivity gains are being funneled to capital, not to wages for executives. Wages have barely kept up with inflation over he last 40 years, meanwhile, the stock market has returned 7% a year. Those with capital are getting wealthier, and those working for a wage are stuck. The problem is only going to get worse. Be frugal, invest your savings wisely, and work for yourself at he earliest opportunity. Continue to live below your means as you acquire wealth so that your posterity can live comfortably.

The big problem with just giving people money, is there is no longer any selection pressures on reproduction.

What that means is, your gene pool slowly degrades. People become fat, lazy, stupid....etc.
The better solution is to keep the gene pool by creating an "artificial" scarcity. So people are still forced to work for a living, people who work harder and smarter earn more....etc. This is accomplished by limiting certain technologies.

But this is where things get interesting. It means we can completely shape the culture we live in to suit our preference. Want a culture that fishes certain mountain streams and lives an easy rural life in the mountains? Wouldn't be economically feasable normally, but we have the power to create that. Want a waterborne culture that sails around in wooden ships trading across the Carribean? We can create that too.

Of course important technologies such as medicine will not be limited whatsoever, you can have space age medicine and absolute top tier nutrition.

Immortality is coming soon. The life we have here on earth will soon be seen as sort of a growing-up phase, or a second childhood. These cultures that we build are simply designed to produce a certain type of man.

Draft all neets into the border patrol

Be a white ethnostate and economic problems won't exist

It's almost as if socialism was created by Jews to spread chaos

The people in charge of the world right now are complete fucking psychopaths, off their rockers insane. Whatever future we have does not include them, this is the struggle we are facing right now

womp womp
they have netflix and nascar
do you think we should be scared of people incapable of proving their worth over a mindless robot?

population reduction through reproduction restriction

UBI is a meme to force everyone into a bank account so our rulers can abolish cash and monitor everyone and autotax them according to their monetary transactions.

>do you think we should be scared of people incapable of proving their worth over a mindless robot?
First off that "mindless" robot can already do a ton of things that neither you or most human beings can do. Second the answer is unironically yes. If you have wealth and there's a ton of people around with no wealth then there's a huge incentive for them to rob you since they won't have anything to lose.

In case you've not noticed it's next to impossible to save and invest nowadays unless you're making 6 figures, unrealistic for most Americans. Car and home expenses are skyrocketing as well as healthcare. People work long hours and never get around to having kids.

"Immortality is coming soon."

Approx 100 years away. We're the last generation to die.

Sad.

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Destroying the machines.
Uncle Ted was right.

mindless robots can do simple tasks we program them to. they can’t even flip burgers. i’m in a.i. so i know what will and won’t be automated in the near future. if your job is pushing a button all day long then you might want to think about learning something new

You didn't address a single thing in my post. Don't reply to me just to waste my time you dumb leaf.

Where the fuck did you hear about socialism reducing labor hours ever in history?

>he productivity gains are being funneled to capital, not to wages for executives. Wages have barely kept up with inflation over he last 40 years, meanwhile, the stock market has returned 7% a year. Those with capital are getting wealthier, and those working for a wage are stuck. The problem is only going to get worse
Yes
>Be frugal, invest your savings wisely, and work for yourself at he earliest opportunity. Continue to live below your means as you acquire wealth so that your posterity can live comfortably.
no, simply sieze the means of production

Its always the goal, everyone is worker, of course the goal is to improve working conditions for all.
its only when the people in charge are not worker that we get this problem occuring.

>they can’t even flip burgers
there have been automated pizza cooking vending machine in japan for decades

There will be a convergance. The jobs that are entirely mental will get automated, and the jobs that are entirely mindless labor in fixed locations will get automated, they will close in towards the middle which is the jobs that require both some thought and moving around in the world and interacting with nonstandard environments, these are the safest but they too will one day become automated, and everyone competing to get them will be a problem long before we have to worry about the complete automation of all jobs.

unless we kill the elite class off now they will simply hog it for themselves and most people will continue dying anyway.

What's to stop them from doing that anyway?

>what is
living traditionally

collapse

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Have you a relative that lived through communism through majority of their development years and adult life? I married in, frequently thinks Americans are retarded about wanting communism. The goal is to serve the state, there can be no classless society, which is what communism touts, so long as a ruling class exists. Production lowers because people literally showed up and did the bare minimum for however long they were required, which was 40-50 hour weeks. Unqualified people doing shit they literally had no clue how to do taught by the state who didn’t know either. They dumped fucking invasive beetles on crops thinking it’d help crop growth ffs. The less you ask of people, the longer they must work to make up for lost productivity to keep meet break-even demand. Only benefit he said is everybody had nothing, drank on the job, and all hated the government, stopped there. You’re listing off literal what ifs and more “looks good on paper” when it has failed every time in practice. If you think that the people only being unified by their hate for the govt, then that govt is 100% destined to fail each and every time. This sci-fi fantasy of all industries being completely automated to the point that humans will not have to labor as much as they do now is an absolute pipe-dream