I'm a Paki Muslim and yesterday I was watching a video by this guy where he frequently mentions Logos. At one point he also said something like Islam/Muslims had had an interaction with Logos/ancient Greek logic during the early age of Islam but that they had rejected it because it contradicted Islam. This greatly piqued my interest as I don't recall this actually happening and certainly don't think the general idea of Logos is antithetical to Islam. Also what got me about him is how genuine he appeared to me. I don't think I've observed such genuineness in a single rightwing figure before.
Of course I can tell I am going to get called the usual names, pedo, goatfucker, inbred, rapist, terrorist (or maybe not that one anymore lol) but I would like to hear about Logos from Jow Forums, if any of you know about it.
he's a dumb jew and knows as much about logos as you do.
Sebastian Ross
Owen Benjamin is a fucking retard.
Logan Kelly
Yes, of course Islam is against God (logos) and the moral law. There is a moral law of the universe. Once you accept that, you have to then set about seeing within yourself and in what religions are correct. Killing people who don't believe the way you do is wrong. Christianity teaches that. Islam teaches to kill apostates. To us in the west, this is completely and obviously wrong. But getting that through to a Muslim is like debating the wind. You are viewed by westerners as simply having very wrong morals. Your religion always leads to conflict because it is in conflict with basic universal moral law and moral logic.
Anthony Powell
Is there anyone putting out regular cultural or political commentary videos that is not a retard?
Easton Ortiz
It sounds like you're referring to E. Michael Jones. What he was talking about was the attempt that Islam made, in the same way that Christianity did with Aquinas and that Judaism did with Maimonides, to reconcile Islamic cosmology with Aristotelian metaphysics. Christianity and, arguably, Judaism succeeded, whereas Averroes failed by concluding that both Aristotle, who posited an eternal universe, and the Koran, which argues for a created universe, are correct. This is a contradiction and, so Jones claims, led directly to the divorce between Islamic thought and reason.
God thus, to the Muslim, is pure will. He does simply what he chooses to without any particular rhyme or reason. This is in stark contrast with Christian theology where God, incarnate in Christ, is the logos - the Supreme Reason and order that sustains both corporeal and incorporeal life.
Hunter Phillips
Terrorapistinbredgoatfuckerpedo
Nolan Brown
I would really suggest you listen to this classic book on Christian logic. It explains the logos better than anything I've come across. The logos (natural moral law - not created by man, like the laws of physics) is discussed in the first third of the book). To many Christians, studying the bible is simply like studying the basic laws of any other science. But it's absolutely not treated as a governmental type law that needs to be enforced, the way Islam does it. It's a law the way gravity is a law. This is explained very well here. Also, you should know, that Owen Benjamin's mother is a professor of literature and children's literature, and her favorite author is this author, CS Lewis, and he incorporated Christian beliefs into his children's books, and she read to him for hours each night. So much of Benjamin's ideas are largely sourced from this man's work. Enjoy. youtube.com/watch?v=bgwq09sIpLQ
Austin Howard
typical low IQ just repeating phrases he heard others use
Jack Flores
Go back to both places.
Juan Walker
Thanks leaf, also no need to be a rude cunt All I know is that logos means (or has come to mean) order through logic. Nah he's a bit dumb and gullible which is why he lets tradcucks like Crowder and kikes like shapiro and peterstein do his thinking for him but what I liked about him is he isn't afraid to admit when he's wrong. Such a man has a hope of not being a retard at least. Firstly killing apostates is in contradiction to the religious tolerance set down in the Quran 2:256. What universal moral law is Islam in conflict with? Do we condone murder and adultery? Do we promote pornography? This very much. I'm unaware of most of this desu so it would be dumb of me to try and argue either side without understanding their position. But how are a created universe and an eternal universe necessarily in contradiction? Wait, don't call me an inbred just yet. If we accept that God always existed and that God's "thoughts" are eternal then a created thought of Gods could also be eternal? And are you sure that's how it played out? Also I'm not sure that God to Muslims is simply pure will. You make it sound like the Muslim God is random "He does simply what he chooses to without any particular rhyme or reason. ". I know the typical Jow Forums understanding is that Muslim society is chaotic and random but I have observed a certain degree of order every time I go to a Muslim country.
I'm going to look into it regardless, this is interesting stuff.
I didn't know that about Christian theology BTW, which is a bit worrisome as I've been coming to Jow Forums for about 7 years now.
A single historic Islamic scholar being wrong doesn't mean Islam is opposed to logic for all time. I agree its a setback. Nice banter m8. Here's mine >1.35 births per woman (2016) >Italy, Fertility rate Repeating phrases? Lol, I'm just trying to understand these concepts, not having come across them before.
John Roberts
It's for you to decide what moral laws Islam is in conflict with, since you know the religion much better than I. But I'd start by saying perhaps killing gays? Honor killings seem a little off too. Just saying. Also, and again, killing apostates sure appears to be practiced by some pretty hardcore muslims so I'm not sold that it's not part of your religion. In general aren't people scared shitless about leaving the religion in countries that are super duper sharia? Also, free will. Look into that. Islam generally takes the approach of conversion by either military force or HEAVY social pressure. That's against the moral law. Also, you guys really seem to be ok with lying (taqiya) in order to promote your religion. That's a no no according to the Christian understanding of the moral law.
William Smith
LOL, Britain is dead and will never return. From owning a quarter of Earth to having shitposting Pakis raping your children. Wew!
>But how are a created universe and an eternal universe necessarily in contradiction? If something is eternal then it has always existed. It was not made, nor did it come into being. It would also necessarily be immutable, without motion or change as God Himself is, and we know, simply by living daily, witnessing the motion of the heavenly bodies, the changing of seasons, the life cycle of living organisms, that this is false.
>If we accept that God always existed and that God's "thoughts" are eternal then a created thought of Gods could also be eternal? If you were to ask Aquinas, God doesn't "think" per se. A thought is an idea produced spontaneously by the mind in consideration or realisation of a thing. Since God does not change, and since God is, was, and always will be all-knowing, he doesn't have "thoughts".
>I know the typical Jow Forums understanding is that Muslim society is chaotic and random but I have observed a certain degree of order every time I go to a Muslim country. Of course, because Muslims, in spite of how they've come to perceive God due in large part to Averroes, are rational beings. They were not created by some capricious Nietzschean God who is pure will, but by the Logos, the same as I and every other human was. And what Jones is trying to do is to bring this idea of Logos to the Islamic, specifically the Shia, world on the basis of our mutual love of Christ. The Muslims can be reasoned with because, unlike Jews, they didn't meet the Logos and reject Him. They simply don't have the correct understanding of Christ, though a high degree of veneration for him. It would be naive to think that were we to have a discourse with Muslims that all our problems would simply disappear, but there may be room for a via media
>A single historic Islamic scholar being wrong doesn't mean Islam is opposed to logic for all time. I agree its a setback. In fairness, it does if that scholar had a massive theological impact on subsequent generations.
Noah Kelly
I'll check it out. I should have expected to be given a Christian view of Logos I guess, Jow Forums being mostly Christian. There is a reason for Islam being prescriptive about earthly matters though, the general overarching reason is to maintain justice in society. That said, Islam does also cover a natural moral law, as you call it, throughout the text. I do wish more Muslims looked at Islam or the Quran as simply explaining the natural law.
Tbh this is something I've felt for a long time now, how the Quran is interpreted or just understood very superficially by Muslims. Though given the low IQ problem, it's understandable. We really need to fix our house. I'll admit to having ironically shitposted about killing gays here before. However please understand not a single thing in the Quran or even the Hadith states that we should murder gays for being gay. God sending down punishment on Sodom and Gomorrah (26:161) is not saying we Muslims should kill gays. Yes there are Hadith about killing gays who actually engage in sodomy. But there are "stronger" Quranic verses about not invading the privacy of the home, think you get what I'm saying. Honor killings, those are more of a gray area and I don't really have the best understanding of the subject desu. Also if you mean ISIS kill apostates, then they also did (i.e. past tense) a lot of other evil shit that was contrary to the natural order hence God put them into the trashcan where they belong.
Free will, another very complex one. Basically Islam says we do possess free will.
Conversion through military force or social pressure are both stupid. Tbh Muslims (in general) see it as if they are doing a greater good by imposing pressure on someone to convert. I agree it doesn't make it right at all, and more importantly it doesn't accord with how Islam was in the original form in Medina.
1/2
Luis Miller
>he isn't afraid to admit when he's wrong >bans a thousand people disagreeing with him
>Tbh Muslims (in general) see it as if they are doing a greater good by imposing pressure on someone to convert. See this here is just wrong. And it's very anti-Christian. The reason is because it's not based on loving that person for who they are. It's just a huge ego trip. "I'm right and I need to save you". For Christians, it is: I love you and to express my love I can tell you about Christ who also loves you and wants to forgive you. Muslims see themselves as little militants for an impersonal God. Christians see themselves as messengers of Christs love, but to put any kind of pressure on someone to convert is not a loving act. It's manipulation. If you understand this, you'll understand some of the major beef Christians have with Muslims. You all feel so damn manipulative towards us. I've lived with a Muslim. He was like this. It's essentially a form of judgement. And in the Christian logos, we are not to judge. We are to love. We actually view many other religions as being partly, or maybe even mostly true, and we respect their free will. Now of course there are some Christians that are more pushy, but in general I think this holds true. And yes of course some Christians judge. I'm not talking about the behavior of some imperfect people. But the general thrust of Islam is basically a subversive attempt to convert people. It's honestly really really annoying.
I do hope you continue to explore this, you sound intelligent and reasonable. The reasonable part I would find to be an exception from your fellow Muslims.
By the way... killing gays for being gay or killing them for having butt sex is splitting hairs. For a Christian, killing a gay not "because he's gay" but because he has butt sex would be abhorrent, and a grave sin. In Christianity we say "hate the sin, not the sinner".
2/2 Taqiya, oh ffs here we go again. There are certain scenarios under which lying is permissible, warfare, reconciliation of 2 warring factions, ending a marriage dispute. (This is from Hadith and not Quran BTW) notice it's doesn't say you can lie to further the agenda of Islam.
Yet somehow this has become a "Islam universally permits lying in order to further the Islam agenda". If Islam was a religion of lies, I'd leave it today and probably get baptised, as would many other Muslims. I couldn't live with lies in something I turn to in a crisis. Taqiya/Kitman are words that aren't even found in the Quran or Hadith or mainstream Sunni Islam, that in itself should tell you something.
>If something is eternal then it has always existed I realise that but (and this is getting a bit metaphysical) its how humans can be said to have always existed since we were always in God's thoughts, I.e. God didn't randomly come up with the great design of the universe.
I get what you're saying regarding Gods thoughts, I don't know a better way to explain what I'm trying to say though. God doesn't change, that much is clear from even a very casual look at the Quran (112). I'd be wary of trying to bring anything to the Shia desu, if they rejected a clearer and more objective Sunni Islam in favour of their emotional and menstruation-tier Islam what makes you think they want logos? Yes a single scholar can have a great impact. I don't know if it means that subsequent generations stop asking the important questions though. Averroes saying some shit way back when certainly didn't stop me from asking you guys about logos. One day I hope to write a book about challenging shitty and broken logic just because the guy who wrote it is "muh respected", probably going to start with Ghazali. I do feel what you're saying BTW.
K I'm probably not the authority on Benjamin then. This is all about learning, my Lithuanian friendo.
Sebastian Thompson
The reason that pressuring someone to convert to Christianity is wrong is because it violates their free will. Whether that pressure is government mandated, heavy, or even mild social pressure, or military force, it all violates that person's free will, and therefore interferes with the very personal relationship that must form between the Christian worshipper and Christ. If God is impersonal and distant, and is essentially just a set of rules to follow, then sure, it makes sense to do what you can (or whatever will be legal) to convert others. You need to "get everybody on board with the program". But this is wrong in Christianity, because in the Christian logos, we are all to have an individual, voluntary relationship with Christ, and in fact that is necessary for true repentance and confession. It must be done fully out of the person's own free will. That is the moral law of the Christian Logos.
Did you know that confession of crimes are considered some of the most unreliable evidence in a court of law? That's because the police often use pressure tactics to force a confession.
Jaxon Young
You mean to say that warlord Muhammad figured out you could simply absorb populations to do your bidding rather than kill them, fuck as many 13 year olds along the way as you want or promise your thralls the same if they died for you in the event populations resit your nonsense and needed snack barring? Inshallah truly this is the one religion
Jackson Smith
I encourage you to sit through as many Southern Israelite videos as possible. It takes a curious open mind, but if you can dig enough into his work, you will find the answers that you seek.
Not based, and not redpilled. I'm not interested in watching his drunken rants anymore because he is kind of babies first real red pill, but he is certainly red pilled.
Easton Parker
>I couldn't live with lies in something I turn to in a crisis. I'm not saying that Taqiya means there are lies within the religion, I'm saying that, as I understand it, Muslims are allowed to deceive non-believers to promote Islam as a whole. This would include concealing one's true intentions, etc. For example, I had a Muslim roommate who was very friendly at first, and I thought we were friends, but later, when I wouldn't give up eating pork, he turned on me, and became very hostile to me, so it was pretty obvious he was only pretending (taqiya) to be my friend in order to try to convert me to Islam, or at least move me down that road. When I clearly wasn't going to be moved, he dropped the facade and became very rude. I saw this as classic Taqiya. Lying to promote Islam.
Carter Campbell
I did say I don't agree with it at all and I don't. Its just a lot of emotional thinking desu. >Muslims see themselves as little militants for an impersonal God. Not really. I'm not saying this is a prevalent thing BTW. Just trying to explain motivations of those who do it. Pretty much all my adult life I've believed that the only correct way to convert people is through a demonstration of virtue in your own life and then if people want to come and ask questions, then you can tell them what path you follow. I don't believe it's so different from your way.
I get what you're saying about the Muslims who do this though, 100%. Believe me it tends to be out of a lack of confidence in being able to convince you through their own goodness and also their low IQ.
I will continue exploring this. As I said, I hope or intend to write a book one day about how Islam has been subverted by the ignorant scholars of the past and that we have undermined the core message of justice, truth, humility and logic in the Quran.
Killing gays isn't something a typical Muslim state would even do. Not even Saudi probably. There certainly isn't any tolerance for promoting a gay lifestyle in Islam. The only reason I can think of there being such strong measures against it is to destroy the notion of being able to spread gay tolerance, and even if there was at one point, Muslims like myself having witnessed gay entryism into politics (or their agenda) would never allow it to happen. I'm fairly sure you yourself realise that things have gone too far in terms of how much corruption they have spread.
Gonna take a break for a bit to have breakfast. Did not expect this thread to get serious discussion but I am quite pleasantly surprised.
Anthony Hernandez
Do you consider yourself white? Also prove that your Pakistani
I mean, I didn't say that, but one could certainly make that statement, as one has done here in this very thread. So what I'm saying is that what you said is something that could be said. Please don't kill me Muhammad.
I hope the OP is starting to understand why Muslims are hated. They deliberately instill fear of criticizing Islam, which is obviously manipulation, which is obviously a violation of free will, which is obviously against God and the Christian Logos.
Also, laws against free speech and free thought are extremely anti-God, and against the moral law. This is why America is the most Christian country in the world, and it's why America was founded. NOT just to be a place to freely practice religion, but to create a society more oriented around respecting the individual, as taught by Christ and the true Logos, and in the way that Christians experience God's love.
I wonder how our Muslim friend will take this.
Cooper Garcia
Allah is a capricious god. I can hardly say if he is a personal god but I doubt it. Is he considered knowable by Muslims?
Jonathan Stewart
>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life,1 and the life was the light of men.
(The word or logos is Jesus)
Jacob Mitchell
Das rite Logos or bust.
Tyler Morris
I'm so happy that you are doing this thinking by the way. Honestly is really impressive. Hell if I was a Muslim who knows if I'd have the guts to question it. We all say we would... but that type of person is statistically extremely rare. I really do wish you all the best on your inquiries.
Jayden Rogers
This, Logos incarnate, jews have NO Logos btw since they believe a pack of lies, the talmud.
Andrew Powell
He's dead. Ghazwa-e-Hind is postponed.
Brandon Wilson
Wonderful and timely scripture quote user.
Jason Martin
>Firstly killing apostates is in contradiction to the religious tolerance set down in the Quran 2:256. What universal moral law is Islam in conflict with?
Mohmad says good things to win followers and the same Mohmad says bad things to win politically
The muslims being low IQ are easily manipulated to do his bidding and think the violence, lying, immorality in general is for the greater good
What about fox gay, hes like anti michael moore and shit. Just want to know whos opinions i need to follow? I'm concerned for children and cupcakekitens.
Landon Bailey
What happened to this guy, I remember I think 2016 he was a kinda mediocre comedian jumping the on the mock the SJW band wagon, but recently he seems have gone full retard, did his wife leave him or did Alex Jones pull a mind transference?
Dominic Russell
Like a lot of youtube rightwingers, he's useful as an entrypoint. Clearly the guy isn't the sharpest tool in the box but what drew me to him is his absolute sincerity and desire for truth, even though I disagree with him on some things (obviously Christianity/the Trinity being one of them). I mean I know he's 1/4 Jew or whatever, but the way he unflinchingly went at them on every single point that scum like Peterstein have shied away from, you gotta respect a man who has that conviction.
>Do you consider yourself white? >Also prove that your Pakistani LOL. It's funny because the false concept of whiteness is one of the things he goes after in that same video. Also why would I lie about being a Paki? We are possibly the most hated demographic on Jow Forums after niggers and Jews. That's a national identity card which overseas Pakis can apply for to get visa-free entry.
Hi good sir. Did you remember to worship your toilet witch today? I originally typed out a long response to this just before making breakfast and my stupid phone died on me, yep I shouldn't be phoneposting I know.
Anyway your friend's story disturbed me a lot because I wasn't brought up to be that manipulative or deceptive, though certainly Paki parents do teach their kids to deceive as a means of survival I won't deny that. I guess I'm assuming he's a Paki since you didn't mention.
I have never been interested in making friends only for the sake of converting them to Islam. Why bother? They can either blow air out of their mouths in the forms of the correct words to use to ask a question with and just ask me if they're keen on learning (I think a few people have actually done this before). Or they could just fucking google it. You should have told him to fuck off. I honestly think a lot of them know you guys are gentle hearted and play on that, and yes it is clearly manipulation and treachery, things which have never sat well in my heart. 1/2
Whiteness is not a false concept, Europeans are a clearly discernible genetic group
Oliver Richardson
You'd have to watch the video for his reasoning. I agree Europeans have some kind of clear distinction as do other 'metagroups'. I was just pointing out that the exact point was attacked in the video, thought that was kind of funny.
Cameron Lee
He was Somalian. Couldn't really tell him to fuck off as he was my roommate. but I did move shortly after. And yes, they obviously play on our altruism and good heartedness, we're all becoming more aware of that. And it really sucks because we'd really prefer to not have to be callous, and that's part of the degradation of our Christian societies that we really don't like. Two groups of people cannot co-exist if one of them is constantly attempting to manipulate or "convert" the other. It will cause resentment in the long term. It's like a marriage where one person never accepts the other for who they are and are constantly nagging the other. It's not based on love and affection.
Ryder Bailey
>Card Well that's enough proof It's just too easy to LARP Cunts form Jow Forums make bait and blacked threads all the time for the lulz, but their just being good goys; just ask around. >I ask if he considers if he is white >Changes the subject to the video What are you hiding?
Jose Howard
The thing is, I agree with a non-confrontational form of preaching, like where you have guys in the market square shouting about God or Jesus. That to me is acceptable. Same with people like Ali Dawah, who even though there clearly is manipulation going on, they tend to let people decide for themselves.
Social pressure as in friends pushing their friends to convert, nah fuck that. Its meaningless to force something like that. I am starting to get your line of thinking regarding an impersonal God now. I still don't feel like God in Islam is as impersonal as you believe, but then I have had a very unconventional path in life so I've likely seen things from a very different angle to the majority of Muslims. I mean yes I was raised Muslim but my father who was not very religious always loved science and pushed me in that direction. I found my way back to Islam in my teens and quickly found that the mainstream Islam was very fucked and around the same time, 9/11 happened and the discourse was effectively ended for about a decade.
Anyway that's a long way of saying that the God I met in Islam is actually a caring and loving God who guides through logic and reason. Hence why the idea of logos appeals to me so strongly.
Without doxing yourself or your friend, what line of education did he go through? As my field may have had some effect on how I've turned out as a Muslim, I'm a software engineer, pretty good at it too. We tend to be very analytical and factual and logical so it's very hard to bs us with emotional arguments. I believe the work you do is a reflection of your inner being (I guess that's obvious).
I guess I need to learn a lot more about Christianity.
No I didn't know that about confessions btw, but it's interesting.
Liam Gray
>Somalian ouch cringe and nigpilled If it was a Paki, I'd have been mad, but hearing that just *fits*. Manipulation is never good for fostering real understanding between 2 disparate groups. I'm sure most people learn that through interacting with their own extended family lol.
Joseph Anderson
>>I ask if he considers if he is white I thought the intent was clear through my answer and my photo. I don't consider myself white as the concept itself is somewhat undecided and has been used in different contexts in history, most recently (as Owen Benjamin talks about) it has been used to give Europeans migrating to America a sense of unity in burgers and MTV and Kim Kardashian's bumhole. I'm a Paki, I did state this in the OP and with my image. Not sure what else you want. If you're asking what 'metagroup' (I'm just making up the term rn) I'm from, then it's whatever Pakis belong to, which is basically some kind of mix of North Indian and a tiny bit of Turkic.
David Bailey
The eternal/created universe was just the initial point of contention. What it led to was a lesser embrace of 'science' and reason in contrast with the Christian world. Essentially, the west saw science and reason as a co-equal way to interpret/read God's mind/will where as Islam just stuck with the book. Of course, this difference has also led to it's own problems in the West as it gave rise to deism>atheism, and less willingness to believe that God interacts with the world.
Thomas Ward
So, when you converting bruh?
Juan Powell
I was going to type something like that but you summed it up nicely. This is what myself and a Muslim friend who is also redpilled have been discussing a lot recently. How it's bad that the Muslim world is backwards but at least we're not so far down the path of advancement that we're now promoting trannies to our children. He also believes in flat earth like Benjamin though, so there's work to be done.
What I hold about creationsim is that God is quite capable of having made everything as it was or as we understand the universe through science. Nothing I've found in Islam contradicts anything I've learned about cosmology and astrophysics, and I've learnt a fair bit. Muslim stupidity (i.e. the majority) is what causes people to chimp out at the idea of evolution and mankind being formed from apes. The Quran doesn't say that we're not evolved.
>Indo-Europeans From what I understand (could be wrong obviously) it's more of a language group than a racial group. Though clearly many Pakis, myself included, have a lot of racial similarities with Europeans in terms of physical appearance. I mean we're closer to each other than niggers or chinks are at least.
Juan Rivera
Logos is the ‘Word’ aka Jesus Christ.
Lucas Ortiz
Ah, there is Professor Kafir, that motherfucker. What a tool. But seriously though, when I get time to sit down and write a document, I'm going to debunk a lot of that shit he's written. I just have bigger problems to deal with these days so it won't be for a few months at least.
Josiah Robinson
Closer to us than you are to the Arabs as well What languages do you speak?
Adrian White
I came into the thread thinking I had to drop some knowledge again, but I am pleasantly surprised to see the Logos seeds I planted in 2014 have grown well and strong in you lads. Much love to you all.
Jaxon Morris
Punjabi, Urdu. I've been known to speak some English now and then. Some moon, of course like any Jow Forums-dwelling weeb.
Adrian Morales
In case it hasn't been said. Logos is used in the first chapter of the book of John. It means logic or thought to the Greek mind. To the Hebrew (notice, I didn't say Jew) it means the spoken word but the spoken word is related to the word for spirit as it is like a wind from the mouth of God ( God breathed life into Adam). So this word is also life. I'm a lay theologian and I am still struggling with the depth of just the opening of the book of John. Good luck, truth awaits
Charles Lee
Logic and reason are like perennial trees my friend. As long as men walk the earth, so will we seek out logic, rationality, reason.
Adrian Smith
Never heard of "moon" Why are you in the UK, anyway?
Isaiah Clark
it's funny to hear this from an african country like yours
Joseph Jenkins
>Never heard of "moon" Haha you must be new. Japanese. I was born here.
Elijah Perry
Yes, but few men and even fewer women come to understand the innate relationship of Logos and Jesus Christ, the Living Word made flesh. He who in the beginning was with God and was God.
Aiden Hernandez
Do it faggot, if you can post on Jow Forums it means you have nothing better to do.
You will be like most of the fags here and do nothing anyway. If you can agree or refute anyone then do it first.
Nathaniel Sanchez
I just said I would, kermit-ass, when I get time after the problems I'm facing now are dealt with. I need to sit down and be able to focus to write a decent document taking him apart, it won't be that hard but it will require time which I don't have much of these days. Inshaallah!
Oliver Carter
Watch this: youtube.com/watch?v=FADP5SIbqwI This is from who (E Michael Jones) Owen Benjamin is basing his ideas of Logos from.
Isaac Flores
Pakistani's are so mongrelized and inbred they are probably an a front to logos. 70%+ inbred 1 in 5 infant deaths in London due to pakistani inbreeding...
Michael Allen
Inbreeding is a clear evil, and is an affront to Logos. I wish my people would cease doing so. The problem is slowly fixing itself though.
Dylan Roberts
Consider this if you are nationalistic or patriotic to your blood's country: Immigration does the most damage, not to the host of the migrant, but to his home country. Look at what happened in East Germany. All the people tried to jump the wall and go into the richer west. Why? Because it had better living conditions, incentives, pay, everything, as compared to the communist east. What did this lead to? Brain drain. When most of the skilled labourers and academics left, they also took with them the fruits of their labour; their working power, leading to the deprivation of East Germany's. That is why East Germany's ecconomy had such an awful ecconomy even after they recovered from the Soviet Union's rape. All the good workers do good work for another country but not their own. The country stagnates.
Caleb Robinson
I think he said he was going to stop drunkenly rambling.
I realise that and you aren't the first on Jow Forums to make this argument to me. When the conditions imposed by the state are so restrictive and impede freedom to the point someone who is fiercely independent like me can't function without the state shutting my ass down, then it makes it too difficult and also stupid to consider a complete move. Partial one, maybe. I mean if you already saw my Paki national ID card, you know that I've travelled there, and I have thought long and hard about moving back. The Pak state, like the states in the West, is too addicted to power and eventually will fall, like the states in the West. At that point, will it really matter where I am? I've lived *here* all my life, British culture is my culture, I know the Brits better than I know the inbred low IQ Pakis back home. I despise the UK state as much as the Brits here who have been fucked over by it. If anything, I have as much of a stake in helping them bring it down as they do, having spent my whole life here. I think you fail to understand how much history there is between a Paki and Britain i.e. going back to the colonial period. Yeah there has been a very dark time recently with all the rapes (which the Jew Blair let in, "rub the rights nose in diversity" google that quote). I mean look at the dates this shit started and tell me it doesn't link directly to the 1997 UK general election. I don't hate the British and yeah I know a lot of them want us gone after the rape shit. If it comes to it, and we get kicked out en masse, then I'll gladly go back.
tldr at this point it doesn't make any difference where I go.
Eli Evans
Given that the UK is a wealthy country, it wouldn't make much of an ecconomic difference if people left or moved there. Pakistan is still a developing country, so people leaving damages it. The negative feedback occurs: Pakistan isn't plesent to live in from an ecconomic standpoint; people are poor, so they leave. This stops it from getting richer, and more people leaves; the loop continues. >freedom What freedoms do you have in mind? maybe expats could get dual citizenship or a Pakistania passport and form a voting bloc to influence elections.
Thomas Scott
Then his khan destroyed any mudlim believers
Colton Foster
>What freedoms do you have in mind? To start a business and live a life without much interference from the state. I do see myself moving there on a partial level, like maybe buying an apartment there just to see how it goes for a few years. I don't hate it but the low IQ inbreeding problem and the state being an absolutely corrupt bastard put me off.
Christopher Russell
Pedo rapist sand nigger goat fucker. Kebab remover for u sandy faggot
Jayden Adams
>sand nigger Now just a minute..
Blake Lewis
Libertarian, eh? >Inbreeding and IQ My theory is that the polygamy makes it harder to get a wife so they just wed their cousin because its easier >Corruption At least they don't hide it. If you want to donate a million dollars to a politician, you split it between hundreds of people like a pyramid scheme. Corruption can be fought as long as people will fight it. If they don't, it will continue
Justin Russell
He's basically regurgitating E Michael Jones, who's been talking about this concept for decades. Owen's not doing it any justice, with all his "wizardry" bullshit.
Adam Harris
There are much better EMJ videos out there, but one must read his work to grasp it completely.
Noah James
kinda mad to think a paki brit is on pol lol RE the grooming gang stuff how does that shit happen? whats it like inside the community about it? is it being dealt with? do mothers make sure to teach their boys not to do it or do they not give a fuck? indians are pretty rapey but they tend to leave that shit at the border
Lucas Turner
>polygamy It's not even remotely on the level people in the West think. I've never met anyone who actually has 2 wives out there. It might happen in the boonies and even then it's uncommon. People wed their cousins because trust is so low and no one trusts people out of their family, hell even families there eat each other alive over trifling shit. I'm honestly a bit surprised we haven't had a few actual Pakis from Pakistan come to say their bit. >Libertarian Yeah, basically aligned with a lot of libertarian principles.
To fight corruption you need precisely what is currently lacking in Pakistan, people with non-retard IQs. They haven't dealt with it yet because they can't. Everyone there is saying let's see what this new guy will do. I'll go along with that, he deserves a chance, he's the closest we're going to get to a Paki Trump, but I didn't like his talk about creating a welfare system. He obviously didn't learn the right things from his time at Oxford. But at least he's not as bad as the last few thieving bastards (we hope). If he turns Pakistan around and actually makes it a safe place again, you can bet I'm going back there at least semi-permanently
Justin Anderson
Logos = Christianity
Join us, brother. So we can both enjoy Heaven.
Joshua Garcia
Nice personal blog
Nolan Rivera
its not true racism m8,if it was it would be aimed at all browns like sikhs and poos we simply dont have that problem
i know you aint all bad,i grew up in a northwest town with a high muslim population,but there are alot of bad eggs making you look bad
its not really racism but tolerance fatigue,whites are just sick of waiting for yall to fit in and the grooming shit was the straw that broke the camels back
islam gets blamed cause its the 1 common denominator,it might just be the backward pakistan village mentality though but explaining culture is harder.
Kevin Adams
>Jewgos
Elijah Phillips
>the grooming gang stuff how does that shit happen? See >Yeah there has been a very dark time recently with all the rapes (which the Jew Blair let in, "rub the rights nose in diversity" google that quote). I mean look at the dates this shit started and tell me it doesn't link directly to the 1997 UK general election.
>whats it like inside the community about it? I don't interact much with the community anymore, I keep my distance from the inbreds these days. Pretty much blanket condemnation from all I speak to. One thing I hear is why the girls were allowed to go with Pakis. People do question why and how it all took place. I personally blame a breakdown in parenting here in general.
>is it being dealt with Tbh if the community got its hands on the ones who were doing it they would be served up as kebabs the following week. >do mothers make sure to teach their boys not to do it or do they not give a fuck? indians are pretty rapey but they tend to leave that shit at the border Paki mothers as far as I know teach their sons to not even fuck outside of marraige so I don't know where the cunts who did that shit were raised. Something really went wrong and the state being involved impedes an actual solution. The Paki pedos do need to be killed (meaning the ones who actually went after young kids, not talking about 15 yr old girls who should know better), I think that wouldn't contradict the idea of logos. The ones who went after teens are still rotten as fuck but there does need to be a lot of blame on the shoulders of the parents and also of how the State has made it impossible to control teens these days.
Noah Rivera
>literally a Greek word >muh Jews
Hudson Garcia
>responding to roachbait
Brody Parker
>crooked teeth posting
Jordan Murphy
He seems ok Dosent mention the jews tho Suspicious
Not all Muslims are Sunnis or Shias who subscribe to the hadiths, which are responsible for virtually all the objectionable parts of Islam, such as stoning apostates or waging war against the infidel. Hence why in 2016, 30,000 of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community gathered in Hampshire to demonstrate their support for Britain and to protest Islamism, as did they in 2019 in Australia on Australia day.
Until the 11th century, there was an enormous Islamic school of thought called the Mutazila which believed in subjecting the Quran to reason, and which did not accept the hadiths. They had the support of the Abbasid dynasty, but were persecuted out of existence by the opposing Asharite school under the auspices of Al-Ghazali, shortly after which time the Islamic Golden Age came to a complete and permanent close. But there are many dissenters and freethinkers still living in the Islamic world; it is simply that they cannot give voice to their views through fear of persecution. Which is a situation no different from that of the Wycliffites or the Lutherans during the 15th and 16th centuries. Ahmed Subhy Mansour, for example, a Qur'anist who rejects the hadiths, and formerly a professor at Al-Azhar University, was forced to flee Egypt in fear for his life because of the views he holds. There are many people who think like them, they are simply in the same position as (say) Thomas Jefferson or George Washington in the 18th century; keeping their true religious views a secret, and going to church along with the rest of society because they have no other choice but to do so. It is estimated that 50% of Turkey is now Deist.
Are you Ahmadi? I need to ask the Ahmadi community how they reconcile how Muhammad was very clear about how he was the seal of the Prophets (this is even in the Quran) and then you get an Indian guy claiming 'wait no Muhammad wasn't the last but he was still a true prophet and everything else he said was correct'. Surely this is illogical.
Robert Phillips
Muslim scholars have explicitly rejected causality - cause and effect. They say god does it all and effects don't have causes - god just makes it so. That would be a rejection of Logos.
Charles Diaz
is this bait it is, isn't it. I just fell for bait.
