Vegans have a point

I would eat dog, cat, dolphin, human and monkey. I would any animals animal if it was properly cooked in a first world country

There is no point in eating them. They are much better for different purposes like protection, pest control unless you are at time of war/poverty.

yep.
That's why.
Btw this is my argument to justify racism. lol.
Best part is to bring it up at a dinner with friends when you're all eating steak.
You are literally condemning something to death based on its outward physical traits.
No different than racism.
Also good for BTFOing pro-lifers.
The only argument they have is "w-w-w-well muh humanity. Aliens don't exist. Carl Sagan and Drake are full of shit therefore humans are the only intelligent race ever lalalalalalala"
If they bring up IQ as a threshold for giving a being rights, point out that Koko the Gorilla surely had a higher IQ than some human retard, yet you keep it alive.
You can absolutely fucking destroy these people in an argument once you go down this rabbit hole.

Duh

Because >we selectively bred all those animals for the purpose which they have today.

Outward physical traits come from the configuration of genes in the DNA. Like everything else.

Carnivores taste like shit. Only protein-starved gook insectpeople think that stuff tastes good.

We don't eat rats either, Some people still will in desperation but they also
taste like shit, cant be bred in captivity without risk of infection and parasites etc, same reason i dont eat kangaroo, I could.. but its a bit iffy. I don't particularly have a problem with it if its between you and starving but there are better options nothing to do with morality.

vegan's also drink their own piss because of malnutrition and eat sperm when available.
go fuck yourself

>Also good for BTFOing pro-lifers.
Obviously killing an innocent human with a consciousness is immoral

Pigs fatten fast with a neat conversation of boring and low-tier onions, corn and wheat into many different food staples and essential goods for different modern industries. Watch Pig 05049 and praise the animal industry, vegan scum. Actually eating an animal is the least of our problems. Your fucking cat needs byproducts of this industry, idiot. Insulin comes from swine. Hell, even beer, bullets and paint may have a little piggie in there. Wash yourself with corn, motherfucker

>Vegans have a point
No you don't. Stop posting.

youtube.com/watch?v=PJnPZgLHHWQ

FPBP
Also dogs are our companions, rescue and police animals, seeing guides, and mascots.

Save only one for the following questions:
1) You or an insect?
2) Your son or a cow?
3) A stranger's child or a cow?
4) Your son or a stranger's child?
5 A cow or an insect?
Do you see? You evolved to care about your genes and you have a natural reaction to protect things closer to you. We see more of ourselves in dogs and cats than in cows and pigs, so, since we must eat, we eat cows and pigs not dogs and cats.

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what an eloquent counterargument

I don't think it's morally wrong to eat cats or dogs, I just don't care to right now. There's other shit I don't eat as well.

If the circumstances were dire enough I eat a dog or cat

yes and there is no problem in that
i hate dogs, i would kill every single one, so what?
they are inferior creatures without concept of existance why give a single fuck about if they live of die besides being cute?

I don't want to have to go through all the work of skinning a cat. If served at supermarket would consume, no doubt. I like trying weird food

>We see more of ourselves in dogs and cats than in cows and pigs
Yes, that is why we do not eat them, but logically, it still does not make sense.

Logic is gay.

animals can suffer as well. obviously we do not want an animal to suffer.

How does it not make sense? You're making the same type of decision when you choose to eat a carrot instead of a chicken.

Its just like not smoking morality though, oughts vs is

meat eaters > not very tasty.

>Obviously killing an innocent human with a consciousness is immoral
Animals have consciousness, too, faggot.
What's the difference?
They're not human?
What's the difference?
Genetics. Oh, if only we had species with near-human intelligence. Wait, retards exist. Hmmmm....

Are you trying to say we should eat retards?

because a pig, chicken, or cow can suffer the same way cats and dogs can.
But because we "see ourselves" more in cats and dogs, we do not kill them... which is up to the culture.

The reality is these animals can experience the same emotions and same amount of suffering.

Nature requires humans to eat animals to function at peak capacity. You vegans all learn that after 4-6 years of veganism when your body can't take anymore then you quit then every other vegan attacks you saying "You were never a real vegan to begin with!"

Your reality is that cows and chickens suffer as much as humans and so you suffer yourself to avoid partaking in their suffering.
Other people disagree so they see no problem in avoiding their own suffering by doing the convenient thing and eating the meat.

There are 18 essential nutrients only found naturally in meat. Converting them such as from Beta Carotene to Vitamin A is a myth and so inefficient you will still be deficient. Liver contains more nutrients than any food on the planet. These are all facts.

you are missing my point.
We have two choices:
a) It is not immoral for every animal (such as cats, dogs, horses, or elephants) to be raised like chickens or pigs to be fed, killed, then eaten.

b) It is immoral "

We cannot pick and choose which mammals have the right to live or die, it is illogical, as they all can experience suffering and emotion to the same degree.

I'm trying to say that moral absolutism is retarded and morality is arbitrary.

>Your reality is that cows and chickens suffer as much as humans

I do not believe this. I am an omnivore and I believe human lives obviously come before animals.

refer to my new post:

Morally good things are universally good for the survival of genes.
ie it's good not kill people randomly because the people near you might carry your genes and someone may kill you the same way.
Conversely "evil" is just bad for genes.
It's evil to steal resources because it makes other humans seek to kill or harm you instead of helping you survive.
That's why we eat cows. We need food so we make them food. Their feelings are less important than our survival.
Having everyone become vegan is not sustainable and veganism seems risky and complicated for individuals.
Fair enough that was strawmanning I withdraw my statement however you still believe dogs suffer as much as cows which is not the popular belief. The popular belief is cows suffer less than dogs.

Dogs are good hunting companions. They'll also fight to the death if it means protecting you or your children from man or beast.
Cats are assholes, but they make up for it by being crazy efficient at killing rodents and pests.

Livestock is notably useless at doing any of these very useful tasks.

Animals kill and eat each other all the time. They don't seem to care too much about your morals. Even herbivores will eat meat when the option arises. Deer and Cows will eat mice.

Nature requires you to eat animals if you wish to be at peak health. Humans are designed to eat animals.

Bacon only taste correct, and is correct, if it comes from a pig.

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Eat animals that eat plants its literally the circle of life sun>soil>meat

because eating carnivores is disgusting
also sage

Nigger, we domesticated animals for needs, not for fucking morals. And we found out some of them work out better at this.
If you want to eat cats and dogs, do it, chink. I don't care. Let those faggot domesticated animals loose. Watch what the fuckers will do: gather around fucking human populations for easier food. You ignore domestication as part of what being human is all about and come with this moral bullshit? Diss ALL byproducts, my nigger. I double dare you. Is it moral for vegans to eat plants fertilized with bone ashes? this is common as fuck. Manure as well.
Faggots.

>The popular belief is cows suffer less than dogs.
Whether that be the popular belief or not, it has no scientific basis. We only see emotions in cats and dogs because we are around them more and familiar with them. And they are cuter, and easier to keep as pets.

oh thanks for saging my precious thread. oh wait it already has a lot of replies. and oh wait i just bumped it with this reply, so your sage doesnt matter. :)

>still not understanding my argument
flag checks out

So many vegans in this thread making the "double standards" argument. Are you 12? Just because things have similarities doesn't mean they have to be judged by the same standard, you debate club autists.

Pic related, it's you.

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prove to me that a chicken, cow, or pig does not experience the same emotions and suffering to the same degree a cat or dog does.

I'm sure that they do, so what? There's all kinds of reasons to kill or not to kill something, whether they "feel emotions and suffering" is just one of them and frankly it's pretty unimportant.

>but killing/eating cats and dogs is immoral?
No, but I'm not going to eat my pet you faggot.

Dogs and cats were selectively bred to be more like humans in their temperment, personality and behavior. So they are, like, part human.

And if think there is a moral distinction between killing and eating animals vs killing and eating humans, than you should be able to understand why there is a taboo against eating dogs and cats, since they are kinda part-human in a way.

>Why would you say killing/eating a cow, chicken, or pig is okay
it's not ok but we can't hunt animals without causing massive extinctions so there are no better alternative
>Because dogs and cats are cuter?
pretty much, they work better as a pet compared to other animals and because of that we feel bad for killing them

>Obviously killing an innocent human with a consciousness is immoral
Not necessarily.

no, id say killing and eating cats is barbaric because they exist specifically because they evolved to exploit our empathy, so killing them proves you have none

its a literal fact that psychopaths hate cats and dogs because they're the easiest pets to empathize with, and people who enjoy torturing and killing them are always the most sick in the head

*and dogs

if you are okay with china treating dogs like chickens, then at least your logic is consistent.

It's obvious they are right by the screeches around them. I've never actually heard anyone brag about being vegan, only others REEEing about them. But I've Damn sure seen "lol I love bacon rawr xd BACON!!!!" Enough fucking times.

>Dogs and cats were selectively bred to be more like humans in their temperment, personality and behavior. So they are, like, part human.
Perhaps. But does this mean they can experience emotion and suffering more than, say, chickens or pigs?

nobody said they dont cats and dogs because of morality, we dont eat them because they dont fucking taste good. i guarantee if they tasted like chicken theyd be eaten no questions asked.

Have eaten dog and cat, would eat you too if it wasn't for all these " rules". Just remember the only thing keeping you off my grill is society. Once those lights go out that ass is mine.

Fuck a pig, eat a pupper and raise a nigger then, Socrates. I'm now very enlightened by the first faggot who came up with the same cartoon-tier meme argument about muh eating other shit.
If you have the will, the means and the money: eat it. I don't give a shit. But to feed and guarantee comfort to so many niggers we need livestock in huge numbers to transform grain into almost everything in modern society. This Peter Singer bullshit is the most ridiculous crap ever.
>muh animal liberation
Fuck off.
Saint Anthony the great and his based pig say fuck you, kike

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people have had pigs as pets, or even hampsters, raccoons, etc . they will argue that they experience the same amount of emotion that cats and dogs do.

this isn't real

I can't find cat and dog meat in the store, therefore I don't eat it.

And if I'm gonna raise animals for food myself it might as well be chickens since then I get eggs too

i didnt say anything about the amount of "emotions" an animal feels

i said cats and dogs evolved to evoke an emotional response out of us, and if that doesnt work on you, its likely because you're a complete psychopath

you dont hear of psychopath serial killers having a history of slaughtering pigs or racoons much because they arent as easy to empathize with, so they dont evoke the excitement the sick fucks want to feel

Nah fuck that I like his idea, we should eat tards.

Who fucking cares? We kill people in war all the time and they are humans, why give a shit about how
animal feels.

From a Christian standpoint. God said we had dominion over the animals and just make sure not to rape them. From an atheistic standpoint(if you somehow want to argue morality from this position) you could argue that it is only wrong to hurt things if you recognize aspects of yourself in that thing. Similar to the selfish gene. Basically if you don't see aspects of yourself in an animal you can kill it. This would also apply to humans who you don't recognize yourself in(stormfags who want to abort baby niggers) or those who would harm you or others beings that you recognize as containing the aspects of yourself. Anyways, the whole argument misses the bigger point that logic is only useful as a means to achieve a goal so if someones goal involves eating things like cows, chickens, or pigs while having cats and dogs as pets then logic doesn't really apply there. You can say the goal is odd but you can't really prove they are wrong for having it.

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If cannibals get Kuru from eating normal human meat, then I don't even want to know what kind of multi-chromosomial ultra-kuru you'd get from eating a retard.

Because they are intelligent predators, cows are not. Sage.

in terms of it being a problem, it is not. I will continue to eat as an omnivore.

I am just trying to expose the logical inconsistencies of saying how killing and eating cats and dogs is worse than any other mammal.

> Plants are more useful to human existence than animals.
Why do you hate plants so much?

This.

Nobody cares.

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Kind of weird that prey animals haven't figured out how to be less tasty by now.

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Thats why I gave an atheist argument too. Something something day of the rake

We don't eat cats or dogs because they were domesticated as our companion animals. There is an unwritten inter species bond that cannot be broken. We need the meanness out of the dogs and cats. They are our responsibility to take care of. We domesticated the cow as well, but not as pets so it's ok to eat them.

If you look at a cat and dog and cannot see a bit of humanity reflected off them, you’re a person with extremely low empathy

Pigs, chickens, and cows might be cute but it’s easier to kill them because they have less human characteristics

But honestly, if you reduce everything to observable facts you’re a spiritually bankrupt faggot, because that line of thought can justify anything from murder to pedophilia

You can generally expect a baby to be safe around dogs or cats. Pigs on the other hand have been known to eat babies. The animals we trust and the terms of that trust aren’t arbitrary.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2833098/Toddler-mauled-death-EATEN-pig-crawling-pen-animal-acted-protect-new-litter-China.html

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Who says eating cats and dogs is immoral?

Dogs/cats are domesticated as fuck for thousands of years retard they also taste like ass.

>*EMPATHY INTENSIFIES*

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God didn't give man any meat eating tools at creation. He created man noble not a bloodthirsty predator.

those are all domesticated animals. the utility we get from them is what changes from species to species, hence its logical to prefer to use certain animals as fuel and raw materials and others as helpers or companions

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Killing animals is something that causes men to wage war and kill each other. Extinguishing life for personal pleasure conditions people to rationalize murder and violence instead of admitting that it's never OK.

based and redpilled

Just as you can't ethically rape someone, you can't ethically murder them and steal their organs. Something feeling good or tasting good has no bearing on morality. When animals do these kinds of things it's because unlike humans they can't make moral decisions and it's within their nature. We were not made this way.

If a vegan chose to eat a rose or maple leaf it would not be murder. When you take the life of an animal you are choosing to be a murderer.

Your question isn't much different from many other unlikely scenarios such as being being stranded on an island and having to kill an animal. If you were stranded in the desert with your friend who is human, would you kill and eat him? Some would and some wouldn't. This is where beliefs manifest themselves. How strong our beliefs are in morality.

>These are all facts.
Hahah. There are in fact no amino acids only found in meat. And as far as beta carotene goes, you can literally overdose on vitamin A and die from eating too many carrots.

>the only two choices are what I say
Animals have no rights, they are not moral agents. They are a living resource to be marshalled and respected as any other. You are creating a false dilemma by saying that there is morality associated with consumption of one animal over another, it's merely one of preference.
Moreover there are specific qualities in animals that are used for food.
>How much meat does it produce?
>How hard is it to contain them?
>How much labor will raising it require?
>How quickly will it breed? >
>Does it produce additional consumable resources?
>How can it be prepared?