I was born in a Muslim family, but I have been agnostic/atheist for the better part of my life. Lately I have been ridden with nihilism and apathy, and have regular suicidal thoughts (even though I lead a "normal" life). I want meaning in my life and to strive towards a greater purpose. Shill me your Christian beliefs, why should I be Orthodox, Protestant or Catholic?
I like Catholics the most at atm because they have the best aeshtetics and music:
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>why should I be Orthodox
greek orthodox.
closest to real.
you better keep being a muslim. It'll only benefit you in Germany
What's the main difference between Orthodox and Catholic apart from (obviously) the pope?
catholics practice magic.
they are satanists.
>I was born in a Muslim family
Do you realize that we have a right to be genetically homogeneous?
If you stand by the truth you can not conceal this fact, because otherwise you are not better than the left
how do you support our right?
I thought about going back to Islam but I'm not inspired by Islamic beliefs. It's very literal and superficial, there is no beauty, no depth or divinity.
Although the simplicity of Islamic concept of God and strict monotheism is quite endearing
orthodox christians believe in mass abortion and gay marriage
>he thinks what people believe makes up the faith
Catholics built upon the idea of a Pope and rewrote the Bible. They are proto-Protestants.
Orthodoxy is the true and unchanged Christianity.
saying that most Orthodox Christians live in Russia, im gonna have to doubt your statistics
Don’t kill yourself user, become an independent fundamental baptist and fight against principalities-not flesh and blood
Holy shit. My mom came into my room to bring me a plate of chicken nuggets and I literally screamed at her and hit the plate of chicken nuggets out of her hand. She started yelling and swearing at me and I slammed the door on her. I'm so distressed right now I don't know what to do. I didn't mean to do that to my mom but I'm literally in shock from the schism. I feel like I'm going to explode. Why the fucking fuck is Ukraine being granted autocephaly? This can't be happening. I'm having a fucking breakdown. I don't want to believe the world is so corrupt. I want a future to believe in. I Kirill to be the head and fix this broken communion. I cannot fucking deal with this right now. It wasn't supposed to be like this, I thought patriarch Bartholomew was going to let Moscow have canonical jurisdiction???? This is so fucked.
I don't recognise that right, since I don't recognise any rights. Atm I'm a moral nihilist and a physicalist (which means I don't believe in souls or in God given objective morality). Maybe I'll be convinced of some type of objective morality in the coming future which would mean I would have to adjust my moral framework.
>seething burgerfag hiding his flag once again
>muslim family
>suicidal
Ten bucks this user magically rediscovers his faith in islam and goes boston bomber/pulse night club to recoup for his sins
>Muh Moral Nihilism
>I'll just switch teams and shit up another religion
What members of any religion believe or do is not necessarily the same as the actual beliefs of said religion. They might be misguided or non practising
"i'm just like you'' sure thing shitskin. Subscribe to pewdiepie and eradicate mudslimes.
what do you "shit up"?
And this is not a game that you can simply switch teams. This is life and the only thing that matters is the pursuit of truth
>shitskin
I'm probably whiter than you since my parents were Bosnian, not that it matters
That's fair, just don't go walking into an Orthodox church expecting to find chaste qt 3.14 "trad" gf or what ever.
If you actually want to find people who live the faith then you will have to look for a middle eastern congregations most likely.
Ecть тoлькo oдин пyть
Why would you go from one religion to another? go back to Islam since that's tied to your cultural roots or stay agnostic.
Converting to another religion that you're not familiar with is just a recipe for disaster.
Go tell your mom you are sorry.
this. He is seeking extremism, very common among disenchanted youth and ones who have hrmm..should I say incel problems.. typical radical muslim.
Sinister Tradition
Eh, why not. At least he'll die happily.
Come to Christ my friend, He will heal you.
To add to my comment, i've been interested in Islam myself, desu
Especially Sunni mysticism (in the form of Ash'ari Sufism)
You are not white, nigger, you are delusional af. You are sitting here saying things like "iam whiter than you" wtf does that even mean? You made a thread basically saying
>I was raised muslim but don't believe in the arab socio-ideology of islam because I identify with Christians and the cult of Catholicism
Its faggots like you who do not believe in the religions dogma but want to subvert it and use it for whatever sick shit that you think you can get away with. You are not white or European, you are a shitskin arab, now go back to your homeland and fuck off.
Frankly, despite the fact that I am a nihilist I recognise why somebody would gravitate to the extremes, whether it be political or religious. Since at least that gives them meaning and purpose. It's a shame a lot of the times, it ends up with violence, be it fighting in the name of their race, nation or religion against a constructed enemy
no you haven't. You are just feeding into the globohomo propaganda and do not want to except the fact that you are what you are, a ethnic Dutch European. you think you want to belong to something when you already do. Dutch is your ethnicity and your 'being' stop trying to inject your culture with this globohomo bullshit. You are not Islamic or sunni and these socio-ideologies will never be ok in Europe.
Bosnians are actually European, in contrast to you muttcunt.
>Stay agnostic
If I do so I will probably end up killing myself since I don't see any point in existiing if everything, including our concept of "right" or "wrong" is just socially constructed
>Converting to another religion is a recipe for disaster
How so? All you need to do is change where you morals come from.
I'm Danish, not Dutch, are you this bad at geography
Okay i'm going to be honest with you, senpai.
I'm actually thinking about converting to Islam myself, so i just got a little sad to see someone fall away from it and try to follow something else
The truth is that destiny is in your hands, lad. Do what makes you happy.
Man here you are and I've been reading a Quran getting into Islam
I said that in response to the other dumbo calling me shitskin, as if skin color matters in a conversation about religion?
>I identify with Christians
I never said that, I explicitely said that I don't believe in God or objective morality.
>Bosnia is not in Europe
Me thinking you're too low IQ to have this conversation.
Same lad
We'll be ahead of the trend. The future for the West is Islamic and anybody that can't see it is blind.
accept the lord and saviour jesus christ, fag
how old are you?
This nihilism you speak of is common among all men of all cultures. You need to read up on some traditionalist stuff, go read some works on how nihilism has destroyed man and his soul, read Evola and some of the fascist doctrines. Other than that, all I can say is that you are not going to find what you are looking for by trying to infiltrate and inject yourself into European religions, it will never feel normal or right to you, you wil always feel like an outsider. Return to your homeland, you show symptoms of depression because this fake synthetic multiculturalism isn't natural, we are tribal by default, return to your ancestors homeland.
If Islam gives you meaning and purpose then go for it. For me it didn't work out.
>I never said that, I explicitely said that I don't believe in God or objective morality
Exactly, and you are also asking about Catholicism and Christianity, you are contradicting yourself, achmed.
you can't be Orthodox because you're not of the matching ethnicity/nationality
you shouldn't be Protestant because it's more or less the same as being agnostic/atheist, at least in Europe
that only leaves the Catholic Church as the most widespread, welcoming and meaningful if you're genuine about becoming Christian.
Go read Evola. Do you not see that you are becoming the destruction of the West? by doing what you are doing you are destroying and furthering the divide and chaos.
bosnian hmm most of them were catholic before the muslims invasions
the ban of bosnia was catholic as far as i know
other than that i would reccomend reading more catholic stuff
try find your purpose in life
ive found mine but doing things is hard
a few weeks ago i was contemplating whether to blow up the government here i still have faint ideas of it still
i might never be found after doing something like that but i would have no help after due to bluepilled faggots but then i realised i could do something different that will have a bigger effect anyway best of luck from zoomer faggot over here
nice digits
hes not though
Ameen Insha Allah
>shill me your christian beliefs
Christianity's not something to amuse you you disrespectful moron
and I would rather trust a hardcore devout sharia law muslim that traitor of his faith, for traitors can easily betray me too
News flash, you can't just decide to be a believer because you think the beliefs would be useful. Not how belief works.
I've been reading Revolt against the Modern World recently and I think he'd prefer Islam to the modern West, actually.
>a few weeks ago i was contemplating whether to blow up the government
sounds about right for a potato
go make a few babies, then you'll realize it's not all about you or your feels.
>I was born in a muslim family
Please get the fuck out of Europe. You don’t belong here and never will.
What are you on about? oi, are u gonna blow something up like some kind of IRA cunt? i'm gonna call the Brits
this, OP is a retarded slav mutt who is having an identity crisis. Typical low IQ retard.
>I was born in a Muslim family
>german flag
go home
>Bosnians
>Albanians
>Chechens
>Dagestanis
>Tartars
>Ossetians
>White converts.
What are you on about potato
>What is immigration
>Modern World recently and I think he'd prefer Islam to the modern West, actually.
Seriously? in what way does Evola say that in Revolt? He is a traditionalist, which would put him against globalist ideology like Islam. Islam is just a socio-ideology, it is more about telling people how to behave and how to prepare there food and what not. You have these things as default in most civilizations and culture, only shitskins and retards need someone to tell them how to live. Evola is def not pro- Islam and you obviously have not read any of his work. Please quote what he says about the west adapting Islam, ill wait.
Jesus Christ has saved us all, He died for your sins too user. I am a Lutheran, look up churches in your area.
Why else do you believe then? If not because it gives you a sense of purpose? Ultimately all that you do is geared towards satisfying the needs and desires of the self. If belief did not have this purpose, all the religions in the world would have disappeared along ago.
And none of these people add anything worthwhile to Germany and there for should gtfo.
“One thing becomes very clear; of the Empire declines and if it continues to exist only nominally, its antagonist, the Church, after enjoying untrammeled freedom from its ancient foe, did not know how to assume its legacy, and demonstrated its inability to organize the Western world according to the Guelph ideal. What replaced the Empire was not the Church at the head of a reinvigorated "Christendom," but the multiplicity of national states that were increasingly intolerant of any higher principle of authority.”
― Julius Evola, Revolt Against the Modern World
>He is a traditionalist, which would put him against globalist ideology like Islam.
how exactly is Islam globalist? It's a religion that has exactly ONE book of instructions which anyone can interpret within their own community. It (typically) has no organizational hierarchy where orders and interpretations are passed from upper instances, etc.?
There is hope for you.
Respect my people.
You have a typical defeatist Bosnian mutt attitude. You do not identify with Islam because you are not a shitskiin barbaric in your eyes, and you do not identify with Europeans because your measly country has never accomplished anything other than getting gang raped by mudslimes. This is just what the globohomo kikes want, a lost soulless man who has no identity and has lost faith in his people and culture. Go back to bosnia and better your people. You are miserable because you do not fit in and you will never fit in. Return and better your people all while bettering yourself, we will be here to support Bosnia but we will not support this bullshit that you are trying to mesh together.
Stop trying to bait me. I'm not gona reply to your incoherent ramblings and nonsensical attempts at psychoananalysis apart from this one time
Islam is a socio-ideology I already explained this. It is another ideology that tries to submit all of man under its thumb. True nationalism against Globalism would not try pit peoples to submit to some ideology such as islam. You know exactly what I'm talking about but you wont admit it becaue your a Bosnian whose whole identity has been raped by islam.
>Stop trying to bait me
Not trying to bait you, boz, you know what iam saying is true.
Be Catholic.
The Catholics didn't "rewrite the Bible."
The Bible was compiled by the only Church extant at the time.
The Orthodox split from the Catholics over a theological point called the filioque, but really it was about the Church leaders in the East wanting more political power to reflect the fact that Eastern Roman Empire was now powerful than in the West.
When that situation changed the Orthodox actually met at the Council of Florence in 1405(ish?) and conceded that the Catholic Church had been right the whole time but didn't have to be such dicks about it.
So yes, the Orthodox churches ceased to exist for a time.
That is, they did until the Ottomans put pressure on the leaders of the Church in the East and threatened them unless they split from Rome.
A lot of them acquiesced to the Ottomans like the little bitches that they were and still are. So every Orthodox alive today is the spiritual heir of cowards.
This is where the Byzantine Rites and others come from. They were the former Orthodox who presumed their spiritual leaders were right, but could see plainly in capitulating to the Ottomans what they really were. So they stayed with the One, True, Holy and Apostolic Church but kept the traditions of their culture.
If you do become a Christian, become Catholic.
If you become Catholic, you can join a rite close to your culture.
Tell me what your ethnicity is and I tell you who you would be closest to.
also, here is a quote from Evola, which is what you are experiencing. This Americana soulless identity crises you are dealing with.
“Nothing is further from the truth than the claim that the American soul is ‘open-minded’ and unbiased; on the contrary, it is ridden with countless taboos of which people are sometimes not even aware.”
― Julius Evola, Revolt Against the Modern World
Its the same thing we Americans deal with.
You really stupid
Kill yourself you shitskin, gtfo germany
>Council of Florence in 1405(ish?) and conceded that the Catholic Church had been right the whole time but didn't have to be such dicks about it.
How anyone can in good faith be an Ortholarp after the Council of Florence floors me. Let's just reject this specific council in hope that it doesn't throw every other council before it into speculation!
I have woken up every morning with a smile on my face since the Moscow-Constantinople schism.
What do you two say about this:
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I haven't seen it yet, but I am familiar with both of those, seems interesting
>If I do so I will probably end up killing myself since I don't see any point in existiing if everything, including our concept of "right" or "wrong" is just socially constructed
Do it, sand nigger
except you didn't explain shit, you just used circular logic. an ideology that has no infrastructure can't possibly be considered globalist. who's the muslim pope? who's the muslim archbishop? even the priests are completely independent and there is (typically) no formal certificate, test, rites or such to become a muslim priest. often times it's the oldest or the most senior person in a community. how could that kind of ideology promote a globalist agenda when more or less any random guy in the world could preach his version of said ideology assuming there are people willing to listen to him.
Isn't the Russian orthodox church completely run by ex kgb?
He is Bosnian born muslim, did you not read the OP and read the thread? He also says he does not believe in God or Jesus Christ. Hes a larping idiot.
Don't know why people in this thread are telling this shitskin foreign invader of Germany to do anything else but kill himself
>its jay dyer
>it's nick Fuentes
I know that Nick Fuentes is somewhat responsible for the trad caths on here but I don't really watch his content so I can't say.
>Muslim
>German
I've tried to convince myself that the Muslim invaders of Germany was just a meme. I'm having a really hard time convincing myself though.
Because just like yourself and OP you fucking nonce, Islam has been forced onto your country, correct? It is a globalist ideology, it is a social ideology with heiarchy through mosque and the Quran, wtf are you talking about? Its almost like Bosnians were just rape babies of an Islamic empire that has no fucking identity or ethnicity.
Hey lad.
I was brought up a cultural Catholic but haven't been to church since I was like 11.
Embrace the Deism pill. Essentially the belief is that there is some form of God or architect of existence, however because human understanding has so many constraints and limitations, attempting to deduce or infer any characteristics onto this entity is fruitless.
The basis for God is essentially at one stage in the universe, all energy, space and time was confined within a singularity. That means whatever existed at that time or before would be all knowing - as all information is concentrated into one source, all being - as spacial and temporal dimensions are enveloped within each other, infinite - as there is no distinction between anything in a singularity.
Fuck all these kikes that tell you otherwise.
TAKE THE DEISM PILL and then life happy.
Islam is globalist actually, it has inherently universalist dimensions. Anybody can convert in and out of it, much like Christianity. Only ethnic religions like the Shinto of the Japanese or the Shamanism of the Koreans or Judaism of the Jews or the pagan religions of old Europe can be considered to not have global dimensions since these people don't (or didn't) actively seek to get new converts and the "religion" is (was) just tradition and culture which developed organically.
Orthos are the masters of living with cognitive dissonance.
They remind me of Flat Earthers. They will do amazing mental gymnastics to justify all sorts of things instead of just simply accepting the simplest truth; truths often not just Catholic origin, but agreed upon and collaborated also by Protestant and secular historians as well.
I once had an Ortho lady try to convince me Robin Hood was Orthodox. It was really important to her that I believe her.
Well that's 2 hours long so idk.
I would encourage you to find an impartial source, even an atheist, to guide you through Church history.
I'm not even gonna try and say don't listen to this person or that person or only read my cherry-picked texts. I ain't even worried about it I'm so confident.
You will find that Orthos in general seem to have a better grasp of history or theology, but for the same reason a liar learns to be good at keeping track of the lies he has already old.
Like I said, just read a lot of books. the truth will be self-evident.
>did you not read the OP and read the thread?
no not really. I skim.
>He is Bosnian
Then he is a brother Slav and I'm glad that he is considering coming back to the One, true faith of our ancestors.
Also to add, you cannot convert to ethnic religions. "Conversion" is when you assimilate completely into that culture. Contrast that with Islam, you can literally convert in less than 10 seconds.
freemasons are recruiting?
I thought you guys would be killing yourselves at this point
>forced onto your country, correct?
this year the Franciscan order of the Catholic Church celebrated the 555th anniversary of the agreement giving them complete freedom to operate and even proselytize. there wasn't a single Orthodox church in Bosnia in the pre-Ottoman times. you're confusing Ottoman imperialism with the religion. It's like saying Manifest Destiny was a Christian crusade against the Natives. Jow Forums is the perfect place to gain a tiny amount of knowledge on a subject, the most dangerous kind of knowledge in the history of mankind.
>however because human understanding has so many constraints and limitations, attempting to deduce or infer any characteristics onto this entity is fruitless.
So he is not perfect. Because he can not be understandable for humans. So he is not omnipotent. So he is not perfect. So it does not exist, because a non-perfect god is not a god.
Believe me, if god exist, he would have shown his presence since a long time.
just read the bible.. NT then go to OT..
dont worry about the sects and shit. the truth is in the bible.
legst es dir schön zurecht, wa
abschaum
Yeah, just pick up a 1,700-year-old book the interpretation of which has been one of the most controversial subjects in history and just wing-it.
That's how you get geocentrists and young earth creationists, when some redneck thinks he can do a better job than a magisterium of Ph.Ds with 2,000 years of scholasticism and tradition on their side.
