I won't bother with green text, I'll just drop the link and everything below the slashes is the breakdown. Yes it's about a dozen post but still interesting. He put in a shitload of time and effort simulating it.
HomePreparednessAnalysis: What Civil War 2.0 Looks Like Analysis: What Civil War 2.0 Looks Like Todd Sepulveda Preparedness, SHTF 27 Comments
This article was reprinted with permission from Drew Pooters.
When you have to look at what is the most reasonable to happen, you have to face it – you cannot run from it.
In starting this simulation, I had to take a number of factors involved: Population of cities right up to states.
- Percentage of Red versus Blue from local to state (the voting tabulations of 2016 - were an invaluable resource). - Which areas have higher crime rates versus those who do not. - Which areas have stricter gun laws versus areas that do not. - Which areas have the most drug trafficking/crime. - Which areas have the most to the least educated people (sites that highlight school districts for people moving there were an invaluable resource) . - Availability of police forces. - Military dispositions of both active duty and Guard/Reserve forces. - Where what bases have in terms of equipment and their locations (this plays into the political climate of the area as well). - The political groups involved and their goals, numerical strengths, organization strengths and weaknesses.
And finally (but not all) worldwide situations from adjacent borders to where the American presence is military and political.
Yes, this took time. LOTS of time – but a few months ago, when I was watching Ken Burns’ “The Civil War” – a number of elements struck me as being prevalent here today, in both quote and action. Hence this thought to see how it would potentially play out today.
The short version? It’ll be a helluva mess; it’ll make World War Two look like a barn dance.
The first actions, just like in the case of South Carolina, will be in California. In any search to find the people who want war the most, look for the place with the most nuts who would commit it, and view it a second “American Revolution” – albeit a Marxist one. Funny how the Southern slave owners wanted domination over others, just like these modern slave owners do and it’s an idea whose time needs to end, especially here. Just like in 1860, these folks love to silence, intimidate, assault, and if need be, murder to assert control over others.
Representatives in Congress were physically attacked then and have been now. They blame the election of the president for it, like they did Lincoln, but just as Lincoln made it clear, so long as the Union stayed together, he would keep slavery (as he told Horace Greely) if need be. Here it’s almost the same thing: here Trump wants economic freedom for all, so that “all boats rise with a high tide” versus those who would use taxation and Marxist centralized control to both indoctrinate and keep a firm grip on people. Unless met with force, such an evil will not stop – evil never does until good finally has to use the same methods (war) to stop evil.
In my simulations of the forces involved in a Second American Civil War, most of the liberal cities would be blockaded and cut off from supply, turning them into “Little Beirut” all over, with factions fighting for what is left until there is nothing left. Most of the military would side with the President, and most of the “Deep State” would go into hiding rather quickly. The left will let loose their refugees and their minions to do mischief, but it won’t last long as regular civilians formed into militias and would reduce the impact of those rogue groups.
Millennials from both red and blue would be fighting each other, and the 17 million vets would be quickly training average citizens who realize that their life is on the line into combat trained members. Of course, Mexico and the U.N. will try to take advantage of this situation, but the pent up anger at both by average Americans will eventually be their undoing; families will have great rifts, just as the first one, but unlike the those that hold fast to the traditional values, the liberal ones will for the most part, have no stomach for a fight – but I do expect some massacres of them as the fields of battle progress, just as they would commit cowardly ones of our own people (when the Waffen SS murdered unarmed prisoners during the Battle of the Bulge, our own troops made sure that those SS they captured did not live very long. I see that same thing happening here) – I’ll write more as it develops, but you can bet the death toll will be in the millions.
When it was suggested that it was dumb to look into the effects of an internal Second Civil War, I felt the need to point out something that make some people uncomfortable, but as young Ben Shapiro has said, “facts don’t care about your feelings”: “While it may be “dumb” it is still a serious possibility, being pushed by both the left and the media. It’s time they know what they are asking for in whole. They only see their own myoptic hate, nothing more, like Southern “fire eaters” and Northern “radical abolitionists” did in 1860.
The first thing is that everyone must accept that we are not immune from history repeating itself, and take it from there, which I have done. My simulation was based upon populations, military and National Guard allocations, “who has how many and of what”, trade and traffic routes, and places where particular groups operate. The military does the same simulations (of which the software is out there, by the way) to determine where one has weakness and one has strength, and overall outcomes that have a high probability of happening.
You know, in the first part of the Civil War, they force retired General Sherman for insanity when he said it was going to be a long, drawn out, costly war of attrition taking years; events proved him right and the once-optimistic Federals brought him back. The very same elements then are present now, and should not be ignored for their impact.”
Did I take into account, for my simulations that a third actor would to take advantage of the situation of a second civil war? Yes. As it stood, with America effectively paralyzed and Balknanized, China would move against Taiwan, North Korea would move against South Korea, and depending upon how long it lasts, both would move against Japan. Over here we would see a mass migration from Mexico stretching from El Paso to San Diego (and maybe even more) the Antifa groups were wiped out by the La Raza groups with support from the Mexican cartels and military. It later ended up in serious house to house fighting. like Aleppo in Syria. Upon the Canadian border, it would be packed with liberal/socialistic refugees ejected from their enclaves (IF they survived the gang warfare and groups that demanded “compensation” for past ills that did not exist) and fairly well starved, as their inner city food supplies had been shut down for a time – resulting the Canadian government closing its borders to stop the flood – but unable to do so. Cuba would have its eye on Florida, but the Conservative alliance and the anti-Castro forces would keep them from making any successful landing, but they would take Puerto Rico.
Judson Phillips has some insights, like most people who delve into history, as to where things stand: "Since the election of 2016, the left has gone crazy. Their version of the tea party is called Resistance, and the spearhead of that is a loosely formed terrorist group called Antifa. Antifa is short for Anti-Fascist. The irony of their name is not lost on those who actually know history, as their tactics are straight from the fascist playbook. In the past few months, these groups have repeatedly disrupted peaceful pro-Trump rallies. They have called for and used violence against people who support the president or disagree with them and even against members of the media who will report things Antifa doesn’t want reported.
Just a few days ago, a woman associated with Antifa attacked a police horse, using a flagpole with nails extending from it. At the same incident in Pennsylvania, other Antifa terrorists had sharpened bamboo poles and baseball bats. Conservatives and those perceived to be conservatives have been attacked. The weapons have included glitter-filled gel, urine bombs, chains, bicycle locks and baseball bats. As their violence becomes more intense, it is now only a question of when, not if, someone will be killed.
Violence is not limited to pro-Trump rallies. The same Antifa group has made college campuses virtually no-go zones for conservatives. Noted conservatives such as Ann Coulter, Milo Yiannopoulos and Ben Shapiro cannot go onto many college campuses to speak without having their events disrupted to the point where they cannot go on. If this violence continues, the choices are not good. The left-wing academic establishment has quickly surrendered to these groups. They are allowed to riot on campus and even given relief from homework and exams so they can riot. Is there a solution short of a real, violent civil war in America?
California and Hawaii have recently announced that they would sign agreements with other nations so they could join the Paris climate change accord. Liberal states have this amazing ability to find things in the U.S. Constitution that people haven’t been able to find for over 200 years, but they ignore the plain language of the document that organizes the United States of America. At this point, is there any way that America can hold together as a single, united country?
When states are wanting to sign their own treaties with other nations and when one-half of the political spectrum in this nation wants to strip the other half of its rights and engage in violence against them, survival seems improbable. After Donald Trump was elected as president, the hashtag #Calexit started trending on social media. Members of the radical left pushed the idea of California leaving the United States. That idea was tried once before with less-than-great results, but maybe it is time for a peaceful solution that would allow California to leave the Union. There was a time when Americans, despite their differences, clearly identified as Americans above all else. That time has now passed.”
It’s an ugly truth we must now face and embrace – we have no choice, or were as bad as those liberals out there whose world is not based upon reality. Also, let us look at the bigger picture that will emerge as the United States become dissolved and are in conflict with each other:
1. There are always power plays exercised by the lesser nations who have been held in check by the major powers… Once the major powers are fully occupied, and then those minor ones will create their own invasion of whatever neighboring territories they can grab and hold.
2. The hard truth is that the Left doesn’t believe in the Founding tenets of this nation. They believe in Marxist tenets and will use ‘any means necessary’ to replace the Constitution as we know it. The ideologies are irreconcilable. The time has now passed for them to achieve their aims by peaceful means and they know it. Their anger and hate spurs In-your-face sedition, intimidation and incitement to violence on a daily basis. Traditional America will never knuckle under to Leftist tactics. And, so the battle is joined. It’s been a long time in making and from the early going it looks like it’s going to be one hell of a fight.
3. As far as Europe, our withdrawal of forces allowed the “migrant invasion” to turn into a full-fledged jihad; a badly run NATO would be hard pressed to be dropping bombs on itself. Turkey would move against Greece, and most of central Europe went Muslim via North Africa – elements (Christian, and any others who survived the onslaught) forced out moved East to Poland and Hungary, where they were aligned with the Russians for defense. Ukraine will become part of Russia yet again, as the U.S. supported government loses that support.
4. With our not being focused on the Middle East, Russia would take advantage of the power vacuum and take, by force, the Ukraine, solidify Syria by rather ruthless scorched earth policies, and Israel would align itself with Russia to keep the radical groups at bay (let’s face it, both hate the Muslims), and Saudi Arabia and Iran would go at each other, potentially with nuclear weapons. With both superpowers preoccupied with their own issues, it had a 77.9% chance of happening.
5. What about heavy military equipment? I took that into account – how much would be taken by the liberals and liberal military types, and it would be damn little. Anything left would be sabotaged or destroyed. Infrastructures destroyed by retreating or advancing forces would have a hard time being repaired, but Mike Rowe gives us a hint as to who would have the upper hand: the people who would repair the infrastructure to keep us in power and gas would be the ones who have trades and don’t burn American flags. With power outages all over, the liberals would have a hard time pumping gas, wouldn’t they? I take everyone’s own agenda into account, and the human nature to take advantage of a situation to get some benefits for themselves. That’s why the variables take hours to calculate. But so long as there might be truth to it, it must be reckoned with.
6. The urban areas that depend on rural areas would be the first to succumb. The chaos in densely populated areas will witness massive carnage and destruction. Food will be in short supply very quickly; there would also be extreme denial in many folks – just as the speed in which the improbable became the concrete existence in 1861, it’ll happen just as fast. But given how many conservatives realize the danger, the denial would be more on the liberal side, which denies reality in its total existence. In short, without the internet, snapchat, or Google – they will not meld into a coherent force very quickly. But how many can actively mobilize as a “force majure” … we will have NO communications, no network as they would be under attack. People who look to police forces are in for a rude awakening: by that time, most police would be looking out for themselves in such a crisis, and many of us do note that our forefathers did not have even the slightest of our organization – we would improvise, adapt and overcome, as most of the ex-military would be running the show; Seventeen million vets is a hard number to ignore, if the VA wasn’t so hell bent on killing all of them.
7. Most of the conservative thinking people would rally in various places, establish security and martial law rather quickly, and no doubt eliminate the criminal element that has been enabled for many years; the other side would recruit them.
8. The Eastern Seaboard will see the heaviest action right off the bat; with enclaves from Virginia on up, the southern states, fed up with the North, shall indeed rise yet again. New York is really very red outside of NYC – but that can be blockaded until it is starved into submission rather easily. Maryland and Delaware will see mass riots, and “ethnic cleansing” on a large scale until forces roll in and restore order, no doubt with martial law and many a quick summary execution of riot leaders.
9. The Western seaboard will be a long haul, as most of it does have ports for resupply and food production; with Oregon and Washington States the most vulnerable, a direct move through Washington to make a flanking attack on California will ensue and push down until it hits the northern part of California, where it is more conservative than liberal. Watch as the state gets split into two, like West Virginia was during the Civil war.
10. The Southwest will take the longest to reclaim; that’s just based upon numbers, and the fact that we are not willing to use nukes on our own soil in that regard. Swift armor tactics will help in some cases, like the breakout in Operation Cobra, but we don’t have really too many Patton’s out there.
11. Oh, and troubles from any ethnic groups that want to establish dominance over others will be dispatched over a one year period of time. They may cause as much as 3 to 1 casualty rates at first, but in the end, camps will be used to contain them and then deport them.
12. The time elapsed for this whole thing: five years, 3-9 months. However, in the end, we would be back to where George Washington wanted us to be in the first place – out of foreign affairs, tending home and binding the wounds, no doubt adding to the Constitution those things that people have wanted: no income tax, term limits, strengthening of the Second Amendment, and no doubt those items which enables the left to buy votes in the first place. Of course, many will refuse to sign an oath to pledge loyalty to the United States, unlike their Confederate ancestors, and will no doubt have to be deported if not jailed for expressing violent intents.
But as with all things, truth via facts and freedom will eventually reign – it’s a hallmark of history.
>The first thing is that everyone must accept that we are not immune from history repeating itself, and take it from there Well that really is The Fourth Turning cycle isn't it?
Evan Thompson
>how much would be taken by the liberals and liberal military types, and it would be damn little. One thing I see you missing in all your posts, is how historically, it has always been the left that has been the most violent, the most ready to go straight to violence, and murder millions. You are not giving enough respect to the left.
Robert Roberts
It's not my article. Just one I stumbled across and thought others might enjoy. Though I believe he mentioned at the top how the left has been the most guilty of violence.
Charles Gonzalez
Bump while reading
Gavin Ramirez
Good?
Joshua Gomez
But now they are trying to show Pelosi and Schumer as opposing the far left instead of being responsible for them as you say correctly, they are responsible.
Luis Sullivan
They created the monster and now are slaves of it.
Oliver Rogers
Does he mention any thing about historical cycles?
Chase Gonzalez
Not that I remember, though I left link in OP so you can double check around the site to see if he went in depth on another article.
Kayden Young
thanks for thread bro
Carson Carter
No doubt. One of those hidden gems you find and think "damn, this needs more love."
Ethan Richardson
I will read it when I wake up
Zachary Howard
yeah im gonna bump it again for you so other people see it, though i doubt youll get many replies because of how huge this is
Ayden Bennett
>it had a 77.9% chance of happening.
Please to post a quick and dirty overview of your methodology for arriving at this number please.
>Jow Forums is a board of peace This phrase is meant to mock liberals who say islam is a religion of peace you dumb nigger. It literally implies that Jow Forums is violent and that means you have to give Jow Forums what it wants
Kevin Moore
This is the most boomer shit I've ever read. You should feel bad.
Colton Ward
Unironically read Siege by James Mason More accurate than this
Camden Diaz
There’s never going to be a civil war. Civilian populations no longer have the firepower to take on the federal government. The 2nd amendment is useless in the face of heavily armoured vehicles, mercenary armies with geolocation tracking and remotely controlled drones. In case you hadn’t noticed, we’re no longer living in the world of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The best case scenario is a managed collapse, engineered by the (((elites))), with supply lines cut off to major cities. Those who live in the countryside will probably be spared, though be prepared for civilian skirmishes and people fleeing major cities. Stay away from major highways and areas on the outskirts of cities. You’ll be the first to go down when looters come looking for food. Another factor to consider are nuclear hazards. As long as you stay outside the immediate blast radius of cities and military installations, your chances of survival remain quite high. After Hiroshima and Nagasaki, those in the suburbs of both cities came out relatively unscathed. The problem is the radiation which can travel quickly and carries with the wind. An underground concrete nuclear shelter and at least 2 weeks supply of food should give you enough time to wait out the worst of the effects. This can be built in an existing home for only a few thousand dollars. Make sure it’s concealed, as it can also provide an excellent safe location in the event of a home invasion by police, military, or civilians looking for supplies.
I recommend checking out Joel Skousen’s two excellent books on this topic, The Secure Home: how to build a high security shelter and Strategic Relocation, which is also a documentary available on YouTube.
>There’s never going to be a civil war. I hope you are right. >Civilian populations no longer have the firepower to take on the federal government. please see pic related. >The 2nd amendment is useless in the face of heavily armoured vehicles Who is going to face tanks with a rifle? Focus on those sending the tanks. again, see pic related.
>Discuss? It's a bit of a boomerish DR3 take on the world, but he has just about every underlying cause right.
Jonathan Allen
The federal government couldn't stop states from legalizing marijuana. What the future holds, is local governments will accept or reject federal laws as they see fit and the federal government will be powerless to enforce anything. Middle class will flee socialist cities and make their own laws and the cities will become degenerate cesspools.
Joseph Morris
>Who is going to face tanks with a rifle? Focus on those sending the tanks. again, see pic related.
I'm also pretty sure you'd see more guerilla warfare tactics in heavily wooded areas. Drones and tanks would be useless. Never mind the military personnel that would outright sabotage any attempt to hit the right.
Isaiah Reed
Baste and Red Pilled >tldr
Brayden Diaz
The problem is modern academia is churning out socialist and spreading them around red states. Look at big tech shifting their shitstains from Cali to Texas. They narrowly missed turning Texas blue in 2018. What happens when they turn state reps blue and states start imposing progressive laws on red conclaves of citizens?
Brody Rivera
That pic is completely idiotic.
As long as the federal government controls the modes of communication, military, media, mass surveillance and finances of the country (which is now heavily automated) there is no possibility of a mass uprising. It simply isn’t possible since there’s no way to coordinate an attack without being exposed. That’s how the North Korean regime stayed in power all this time. Think of the yellow vest protests in France at the moment. All protests are organised via social media which is heavily monitored. Even if social media goes down, the organisational structure of government is such that all key players are heavily controlled (politicians, military, and media personnel). It’s the perfect panopticon.
Not even Orwell could have envisioned totalitarianism on this scale.
You grossly over estimate the capabilities of American surveillance agencies within the US
Justin Mitchell
I don't know why people assume civilians will attempt to face down military armor and artillery. You guys always like to throw that scenario around, but who would engage the enemy that way? It wouldn't take very long at all for people to realize that shooting at enemy officials, firebombing unguarded strategic locations in the night, sabotaging enemy ports, power infrastructure, and highways, and then scooting back into the civilian population and disppearing, is a better long-term strategy. When the military shows up, you stash your guns, dip back into the population, and then assume the "who, me?" posture until they are diverted elsewhere. And then repeat. Wear them down.
Jose Reyes
A thread died for this.
Anthony Howard
If that happened, the challenging Dems trying to run for office would be more right leaning in the primaries and play the same games they play today. If one party takes over, it fractures into two fractions and the game keeps being played.
Thomas Gonzalez
You’re missing the point. The hierarchical structure of the organisational structure works in a pyramid fashion, with the Rothschilds at the top. It’s a huge leviathan structure. If you chop off one head of the beast another appears to destroy you. Throw in a giant surveillance state and apply a similar organisational structure to the military and you have a virtually impenetrable fortress. That’s why trying to enact change through the political system is ultimately futile. With the rise of technology and automation, it becomes impossible to start a grassroots revolutionary movement. That’s the NWO in a nutshell.
To be absolutely clear I hope we have a peaceful divorce and I don't advocate violence.
>modes of communication Ever heard of ham radio, or short wave for that matter. Outside of those modes of comms even in durkafuckistan where bombs are actively raining down these people are uploading videos. >military The enlisted control the military, I'll give you one good guess which side of the equation the side with overwhelmingly. Look at the survey results when they asked a few years ago if they would take guns from civilians. >media Over half the country doesn't buy their shit as is. In such a situation they'll be more useless than tits on a bull. >finances Yes fortunes held in US dollars will be flushed away overnight. Other forms of currency will be used. Ammo will be a currency unto itself, along with gold/silver/smokes/booze and possibly crypto. Also there's a thing called barter.
Your thinking is very urban. All these things work on a small Island that's totally disarmed. That is not our situation in the least bit. Under obama they estimated about 3-5% of the population in this country are "preppers". Think about that for a second. 3-5% of 350 million (I'll give you a good guess what the demographics of that 3-5% are) have been preparing for well over a decade for a prolonged SHTF/civil war/whatever you want to call it. The overwhelming bulk of the actual fighting arm of the military are southern white males. The govt acts in the way it does because it fears the populace more than you know. Look at bundy ranch (not the malhure reserve retardation), fed gov cucked out. Look at the attempted salt weapon registration in connecticut after sandy hook(a very liberal state), a few cops were talking tough about how they're gonna kick doors down, but the state ended up backing down. I know a lot of people here say burgers are spineless and nobody will ever get the backbone to stand up to the govt but it's happened twice in recent history.
Easton Scott
If you want to live a happy life, don't worry about what tyrant is in power. Focus your energy on your local government. They don't give a fuck about that as long as you use their money. You want to fight the elite, then up your power level and take them on. Otherwise focus on your local schools and your mayor. They effect your life way more then anything else the elite does.
Lucas Wright
Where do they suppose any major "battle" would take place? Always makes me laugh thinking about how our civil war would be people banging it out on the streets and then ducking for cover in McDonald's ball pits. Even better if historical paintings of it were produced like OP's and they have to memorialize the battle of Burger King by painting a ragged Pepe flag being raised at the top of it.
Nolan Anderson
Of course liberal cities and college Marxists are fucked. It'll be a genocide and a few suicidal lunatics could take out every Marxist and progressive within a few weeks.
What are we supposed to do about foreign mercenaries? The military will have its hands tied up and border defense will become impossible. Its fine if we lose some land to the South to Mexicans. It's not so good if militias are fighting well-funded and trained PMC's and state militaries from China, Russia, India, the Middle East, Israel, Europe, etc.
Every actor with the ability to will get a piece of the cake.
Here is where Jow Forums's true power level is. If we focused on promoting /ourguy/ mayors, city council, or state legislatures they way we try to do at a president level, we would be unstoppable. We would actually see the change we want, instead we fall for the divide and conquer and focus on national and global level shit and lose overall.
Bentley Jenkins
We could also focus on shilling for calexit. We could have a balkanization that we know is going to happen eventually in a controlled way, excise a cancer from the country, and have a peaceful divorce while averting a civil war.
Aiden Sanchez
>literal armorys and national guard bases loyal to states over feds.
The people can figure it out and in any scenario, russia and the chinese will be feeding both sides tech to further exacerbate the situation
Samuel Brown
I dont really like the idea of giving these shitstain progressives such a valuable commodity of resourceful land such as California. That's our fucking state. I'd rather see them removed by force before giving them our piece of America that Americans actually died taking from Mexico.
Kayden Russell
To unseat the Rothschild spider you have to unseat about 3000 other extremely powerful and wealthy individuals.
That’s never going to happen in an age of mass surveillance when 90% of the world’s wealth sits in their pockets. Even if you somehow managed to get a section of the military to break ranks and join your side, the enemy has access to hundreds of nukes and enough hard and soft power to wipe you out in seconds. What’s more, the military is now comprised of roughly 40% non-whites and women. Do you really think you’ll be able to convince them to join your cause?
They’ve got the game rigged from top to bottom. You haven’t got the first clue the extent to which these people control your life. All they need to do is keep pushing the racemixing meme a little longer in the media and they reach the final stage of their plan, which is full consolidation of power. The ship sailed a long time ago.
I don’t mean to blackpill you, but it’s important to recognise that we really are up against the wall and to prepare accordingly.
Yes. I believe that level of stuff we could win. Democracy is just one big propaganda game. Play by the rules and shill for what you want at a local level and you will see changes. Keep playing big time and you will fail overall unless you are a billionaire.
Isaiah Cox
Push for the 3 state plan. Give the libs their own state of the major cities and surrounding areas and everwhere else becomes a new red state.
Angel Richardson
Ken Burns made a straight forward, blunt, and brief explanation at the end of the last episode.
The confederacy was a romantic idea since 1776, to build a southern and tropical empire. the confederacy was a pipe dream. The mid states simply just got stuck in a war started over nothing, but ended up being everything. Long live the Union. Fuck the traitors, Lee included.
Parker Parker
Are you stupid? Them actually nuking the world changes the scenario enough to count as a win.
Ryder Powell
I'd be willing to give them the shitstain, non agricultural parts. They could have big tech since that pretty much falls in their purview, but industrial and agricultural parts that are hardcore red areas I wouldn't be down to lose.
Alexander Davis
very good summary for an arena type setting, but diplomacy and intervention should be more tking into account. For example, when the liberal cities are cut off, about to have teir food run out they will invite foreign actors, like Syria did with Russia, or Spain did with Germany in 1936 etc. Depending on who is president at that moment, it might be a democrat in the highest office and he might have full official authority to invite, for example, european and chinese military to the besieged liberal cities against the 'terrorist' conservatives. This will be framed as a humanitarian crisis intervention. But in pratice it will mean artillery, aircraft, supplies to regain initiative from the conservatives. Now everything hinges on two factors: 1. Is the US navy willing to blocade the liberal cities and prevent chinese massive supplies, or is the US navy liberal itself? 2. Are the chinese and euopeans willing to act decisive and quick. And commited? Again, a lot depends on who is president at the time, who is president in china and europe at the time (is the EU in the hand of marxists or nationalists) whi is the leadership. bonus: Russia won't play any role in this, they don't have the resources to spend.
There is no final stage Alex. You worship men with money as devils, as evil gods. Do the world a favor and swallow a .45.
Samuel James
Jow Forums is a board of peace in the same way that liberals are peaceful when they violently screech for you to hand over your guns. We're not going to be peaceful since the left completely refuses to be peaceful. Gun grabbers need to be ventilated no exceptions
Where will they nuke? What would be their target sites? It obviously wouldn't be the cities, which are typical nuclear targets, because the cities would be the patriots' targets. Hell, it would be their chief objective, to starve/freeze/isolate the blue cities and let heatstroke, starvation, and frostbite do half the work. The military nuking the cities would just spell victory for the patriot side. So if they can't nuke the cities, where do they nuke? The suburbs? The literally thousands upon thousands of suburbs that dot our continent? Doesn't seem like that'd be a sound plan. Apart from sapping any patriot support the government might have been able to hold onto, it would in turn end up isolating the cities anyway since our suburbs tend to encircle our cities.
There really is nowhere for them to nuke.
Jace Perez
And so apparently is Islam.
Alexander Martinez
Are the ho k memes manufactured? Feels like it.
Benjamin Allen
I like how the author assumes that every """right-wing""" person is going to side with each other. I personally don't want to share a country with (((republicans))) or (((democrats))). No more bullshit enlightenment values and no more Freemason worship. >out of foreign affairs, tending home and binding the wounds, no doubt adding to the Constitution those things that people have wanted: no income tax, term limits, strengthening of the Second Amendment >a power strong enough to conquer and massacre its people will just downsize itself The absolute delusion of this boomer. Assuming the U.S. is weak enough for a civil war to happen, then no, you wont have a strong military structure or a unified political system. It's going to be complete chaos, not some meme fantasy where the patriotic freedom fighters(tm) arrive and send leftists to death camps.
I hear ya, but as far as it stands now they've already ruined it totally. Would you move there? I sure as shit wouldn't. Also keep in mind the shitlibs probably wouldn't get the whole state. Norcal and the "inland empire" would probably split off from socal and silicon valley.
As far as the natural resources go qui bono? We don't need their agriculture, we have enough of that in the rest of the us. The only important mineral mined in cali I know of is Boron. It is the worlds largest deposit, but we do mine some in nevada as well. Idk about you but I'd give it up to have dems never win another national election again. Or we could just keep that part of death valley and give them the rest. Silicon valley might as well be an enemy state appararus as is, its certainly how it treats us. Obviously all military assets would be moved prior to separation and we'd need a strict monroe doctrine with this new state.
Connor Myers
I disagree with his assessment of Washington and Oregon. Both are very conservative outside of a select few cities and those cities would fall very quickly under food shortages
Owen Baker
This is where we have power. Start a propaganda campaign to let the big city fags have their areas and the conservatives get control over their lands. It is peaceful and legal and you could actually see results in your lifetime.
Gabriel Barnes
When's the last time Jow Forums was responsible for the murder(s) of people that didn't deserve it?
Anthony Brown
They haven't ruined every square inch. You can fit every human on earth within a few square miles. Into the world's biggest cave complex even.
America is still a land of breathtaking natural beauty and Californians have tons of illegal firearms.
Ryder Wright
... and if they nuke food production areas or produce fallout, the cities they want to protect are fucked.
Alexander Watson
>shooting at enemy officials, firebombing unguarded strategic locations in the night, sabotaging enemy ports, power infrastructure, and highways, and then scooting back into the civilian population
None of those things you mentioned hold any strategic significance in the modern age. Keep in mind the elites have been building deep underground military bunkers for decades with hundreds of years of supplies and their own private armies. They can control the outside world from within their bunkers. Blocking a few highways isn’t going to unseat the power structure.
Oliver Nguyen
King County in Flames? God... Please stop... My penis can only get so erect.
But imagine what would happen if for 1 week the right side of the state stopped sending food to the West Side. The Peninsula would be good, lots of Meth Heads and Preppers, but the entire I-5 Corridor would be complete anarchy.
Henry Turner
So your entire thesis comes down to "you'll never boof the guy at the top so it's meaningless" sounds like quintessential british thinking
Connor Howard
The leaf speaks the truth
Chase Ward
patriotic power centers and their main emerging command centers won't be always invisible to the enemy, they aren't dumb. As the brutal war of attrition goes into its next years and human decency goes more out the window, the socialist side will use one or more of their nukes on those conservative power hubs. Then the patriots will retaliate with one or two in kind. Then a short armistice will be negotiated because of the shock of what we just did. Then as news of more curel massacres and misunderstandins emerge the hostilities will re commence.
Juan Jones
>hundreds of nukes Lol so they're gonna nuke their domestic enemies so they can rule over a contaminated fallout zone where they destroyed all the infrastructure. Just like the soviet govt did to its citizens when they collapsed.......
>military is now comprised of roughly 40% non-whites and women
Yes those are called pogs and diversity hires. They push papers around offices and slack off while pretending to run the supply lines. In combat they are useless for the most part. There are some brown fighting men. They are sure as hell not the majority.
This is the same military that can barely keep control of a few poppy fields. They have more drones and tanks than just about anybody, and a bunch of 80iq rag heads with franken parts ak's have essentially won the war of atrittion. They can't control afghanistan, they cant control iraq, they couldnt win in vietnam, they had a stalemate in korea, and they lost in fucking somalia. If you havent noticed our military has a hard time with 3rd generation warfare, let alone 4th. This is all assuming your premise that any part of the military would fight right wing america. I estimate 10% tops would and thats being very generous.
William Peterson
Everett to Olympia would be fucked. And I'm fine letting them burn. Up north we have the Skagit valley and whatcom county (which has the best dairy cows in the country) and a bunch of blue collar conservatives. The few liberals and spics are done for. My region would be clean and safe in hours. Can you say the same?
Logan Gomez
>Russia won't play any role in this, they don't have the resources to spend.
Russia is an empire waiting to collapse. Their whole fucking country can be broken down to separate regions that have unique culture, language, colors, words, even language. Kek Russia will be broken down to pieces and there's nothing that can stop it. Of course, it won't be as easy and they might just go ape shit and start another war. So you're half right
Russians might just say fuck it and go ballistic.
Carter Anderson
p.s just wanna add, best thread on Jow Forums so far.
The only thing Russia may be tempted to do is annex the baltics and Ukraine, if the US is busy with itself. And ironically, this would help the US patriotic side, because it ties up the europeans in fear of the russians and they won't be able to help out their liberal buddies in the USA
Lucas Ross
You also forgot about the small country named "Moldova". But apparently Russians have the Red Army there already (near Ukraine I think) so you're right my chinese fren.
Henry Reyes
They might nuke a few cities for the sake of depopulation or as a false flag to justify the enactment of martial law. Joel Skousen hypothesises that North Korea is being used to start WW3, so no major power can claim they started the war (which is beneficial for propaganda purposes in forming a one world government - which is the globalists endgame).
I’m simply pointing out that the likelihood of getting the military to side with a civilian militia makes too many assumptions. Unlike the Nazis, white nationalists and militia groups have virtually zero grassroots support. They’ll support the president, but it’s no well kept secret that Trump is a zionist puppet.
Your (((elites))) control the entire military industrial complex, the media (and hence can shape public opinion), most of your politicians, and your finances. That doesn’t leave you with much in the way of support or resources.
Aiden Walker
It's 2015 Jow Forums again all of the sudden...
Thomas Evans
>They might nuke
Might is a very powerful word in this current thread!
Mason Hall
>Blessed dog is blessing this thread of high quality. Comfy Ethnostates and peaceful resolutions will come to you if you bump this thread.
Civil war threads are easily the best threads. It's why the gay fag mods delete them as soon as they start gaining traction. Meme magic in real warfare would be devastating
