Student loans are literally the reason why college education is so expensive. The only reason Democrats are pushing for this is because they want to indoctrinate as many people as they can into their world views through high school and college education. They realized that it's not enough to indoctrinate them in high school, because your personality doesn't really finish developing until around the end of college.
If you actually wanted to quickly and effectively reduce college education costs in the USA, all you would need to do is make it completely illegal for loans to be used for educational purposes, private or public. Colleges would have to get rid of so much bloat that only the necessary and important degree programs would remain. All of the Democrat indoctrination trash would have to be removed and the Democrat plan to completely dominate American politics through child and young adult indoctrination in state-run Universities would be completely ruined. The "diversity coordinator" that makes $500,000 a year doing absolutely nothing will have to be let go.
The only disgusting plan they'll have left in their attempt to completely dominate U.S politics is destabilizing Central and South America so that more Central and Southern American refugees start going to the U.S-Mexican border to claim asylum.
If you did that you would need to restructure every college, which are private businesses. Many people would lose jobs. It would also require a restructuring at the high school level as well.
I’m not saying that’s a bad thing, but it’s not a singular issue.
Josiah Barnes
If you were "indoctrinated" in university, it's your fault. Of course, right-wing NPCs, who are just as easily programmable as their leftist counterparts, would be against this.
Nolan Reed
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Eli Green
Universities simply do not have to care about the price of their education because the government will give their students guaranteed student loans.
It's the same problem with Healthcare costs in America. Before Donald Trump required that the majority of a hospital's healthcare services be public and online on their websites, you wouldn't know what the price of your visit was. The doctor or nurse would just explain it away, saying "We don't know how much it will cost you, you'll get a letter in the mail from your insurance". They know they can get away with this 99% of the time, because they know your life is kind of important to you.
Hospitals simply don't have to care about how much they charge you because there's no competition whatsoever, and doctor are pressured to charge you a lot of money too, because they have $300,000 or more in debt that they need to pay off. Insurance scams you of a piece of your paycheck while you're still healthy and hides or obfuscates the real cost of your medical bill. Democrats pretend that these are all things to help you, the "common man". But it actually hurts you significantly. Outlawing public and private student loans, and outlawing health insurance is a surefire way of reducing health and education costs in America.
Julian Cox
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William Hall
Weird that someone sporting an Ancap flag would defend making it illegal for people to loan money and use it in whatever way they saw fit.
Adam Thompson
Good luck selling that to the normies who will only hear "poor people can't get loans for college anymore."
Alexander Campbell
>If you did that you would need to restructure every college, which are private businesses. Many people would lose jobs.
That's the entire point. First, get rid of all student loans, public and private. This causes the restructuring of every college, and gets rid of all the unnecessary, junk degrees, bloat and fluff. All of the people that lose their jobs DESERVE to lose their jobs and shouldn't have had the jobs in the first place. The jobs they'll let go aren't their STEM people, that's for sure. It's the useless woman's studies and "diversity coordinator" type of positions that they give ridiculous salaries too.
This is a small government solution to this problem. Student loans only made Universities not care at all about the cost of their institutions because they know that students will get guaranteed loans from the government.
The cost of education will PLUMMET if we can get Trump to do this but we will have to defend him diligently against the ridiculous made-up narratives that the ((greedy ones)) who are getting rich off of these loans will vomit up, all over their news networks.
Juan Gray
)))Weird that someone sporting an Ancap flag would defend making it illegal for people to loan money and use it in whatever way they saw fit.(((
Cameron Scott
Right-wingers are literally the opposite of NPCs. Only leftists can be NPCs. Right-wingers start businesses and have NPCs work for them. Also, leafs aren't welcome here. Begone.
Are you implying I’m an inside out )))Jew(((? Are you just using the flag as a meme? How does pointing out the inconsistency with what you say and what your flag represent make me )))them(((? I’m not even saying I disagree, it sounds logical, but an ancap wouldn’t like it.
Wyatt Cox
>The only reason Democrats are pushing for this is because they want to indoctrinate as many people as they can into their world views through high school and college education.
Tell me, who benefits from having an uneducated population? Why should the nation with the #1 GDP rank EVEN LOWER than 23rd in science, 38th in math, and 23rd in reading?
Austin Brooks
I'm not implying you're kosher, simply put only ((they)) love ((loans)). All throughout Europe ((loans)) were illegal until the ((they)) put them into practice. Also, Ancaps aren't cut and dry, there's variation in regards to the degree their philosophy should influence government just like there's also this variation amongst Libertarians. ((Loans)) are inherently evil and they ruin nations. Most of the world's problems are because of ((loans)). Venezuela, for starters.
Benjamin Bennett
Yeah fuck those evil democrats, wanting to educate my kids
Ethan Stewart
No one will be uneducated. We literally have every single possible book imaginable available at the tip of our fingers. If people aren't actively learning, it's because they don't want to do so, and forcing them to get an education only gives them an indoctrination because these people quite obviously never wanted to think for themselves in the first place. They'll only believe the narrative that their leftist teacher or professor gave them, because they don't want to think about it and further than that.
Also you clearly don't seem to understand just how much of an effect removing student loans entirely would have on colleges. It would force them to dramatically reduce tuition costs or close their college because no one would be able to afford to attend it otherwise. It seems scary at first, but it's a necessary first step to fixing our education system.
Christian Butler
Don't be ignorant and actually think about the real effect that student loans has on colleges. Try for once in your life, to think from a business's perspective. I know it's hard for you, but try.
Jackson Myers
Yeah, won't anyone think of the poor, poor businessmen?
Camden Ross
Are you mentally challenged? Do you even speak English? Are you using Google Translate by any chance? I think this conversation is going way over your head; go back to your favela.
I told you to think from a business's perspective because you have to understand how Universities view student loans. They think they can charge whatever price they want for education, because they know student loans will always be available for students. The government profits off of the student loans and is then able to issue out even larger loans. It's really quite simple.
>No one will be uneducated. We literally have every single possible book imaginable available at the tip of our fingers.
And despite there isn't even an appreciably larger proportion of people who are able to do basic math, science, and reading.
> If people aren't actively learning, it's because they don't want to do so, and forcing them to get an education only gives them an indoctrination
Of course you have to force kids to go to school. Do you know what they do otherwise? They get into trouble, they waste time and money doing useless shit, and people who aren't educated at all or only even get through elementary/middle school tier instruction lack even more basic skills like algebraic reasoning and critical thinking than people who are exposed to it in high schools.
If anything public preparatory schools need a reform to remove the complacence and destruction of effective curricula, mostly from lobbyists who want private schools to become the norm. Other first-world countries have well-functioning, cost effective public schooling. The US should have the same, or else it will fall in line with third world countries and most people will be stuck with locally monopolized private schools which are more expensive for worse education.
>and forcing them to get an education only gives them an indoctrination because these people quite obviously never wanted to think for themselves in the first place. Again, kids make absolutely retarded decisions without regard for the future. That's why parents want to educate their kids in the first place. But not even all parents are capable of providing the necessary instruction to produce someone capable of doing basic work or going on to compete with the rest of the developed world in higher education.
Shut your mouth you cock guzzling faggot, businessmen selling the sou you so happily consume literally carry your shithole of a country on their back. This is precisely why you lost in 2018, let’s just hope the retarded fearmongering actually turns out to be truth and Bolsonaro puts out death squads to hunt down little shit stains like you.
Sebastian Richardson
That’s fair, I’d say the level of government you desire would make you more of a libertarian than Ancap but that’s arguable really, so whatever
Wyatt Walker
>They'll only believe the narrative that their leftist teacher or professor gave them, because they don't want to think about it and further than that.
Speak for yourself, people don't respect whatever the fuck teachers have to say in the US. It's disgusting compared to the EU, where teachers' opinions are heard and parents aren't known for storming in and screaming at a teacher for their child failing a test. People in the US don't like to be told that they don't actually know as much as someone else. They think a few infographics and some confidence is enough to show expertise, to the point where they fall for Ponzi schemes and other scams on such a regular basis that US citizens are the worldwide preferred target for these attacks.
>Also you clearly don't seem to understand just how much of an effect removing student loans entirely would have on colleges. It would force them to dramatically reduce tuition costs or close their college because no one would be able to afford to attend it otherwise. It seems scary at first, but it's a necessary first step to fixing our education system. Germany has free/low cost (roughly $600 a semester) tuition, so do Sweden, Norway, Finland, Demnark, Poland, Hungary, Austria, Greece, Croatia, Ireland, and Slovenia. In the UK it only costs about $13,877 dollars for an entire YEAR of college, and in France it's only $192.45 for A YEAR of college. Spain ranges from $880-$2450 a year.
These countries all heavily subsidize their educational systems, but not via tuition.
Also, the EU leads the world in research papers published in Science and Engineering, even compared to the US. So no, it's not the fact that we subsidize education that is the problem. It's that we have a corrupt political system and we spend more for less on shit like healthcare, education, transport, and housing than the rest of the world because unrestrained profit motive in those areas results in price gouging and reduction in quality.
Are thoss heroic businessmen also plowing the fields all by themselves? Are they transporting it across the country on their backs? Sounds like they are not as important as you seem to think. A businessman without his wageslaves is nothing, but a factory can always keep running without an owner. Maybe you should lay off the Olavete kool aid
Kayden Kelly
Wow, those 28 countries with 75% more population than the US publishes about 10% more research papers than the US. This actually proves that the EU is shit compared to the US, but not as pathetic as China and India.
Ian Gray
HAHAHAHAHAHA A FUCKING COMMIE. All those wagie faggots are dispensable and replaceable just like you, idiot. When automation finally takes over and people have to tap into their ingenuity to keep themselves afloat and your retarded ideology finally becomes fully irrelevant due to the death of the proletariat class it will a beautiful day. But while you’re still hear wasting oxygen let me point that employee owned factories when they don’t fail completely profit a lot less, you know why? Because if those people were competent enough to run a successful company they wouldn’t be working there. Also Olavo? Really? You think I’d lower myself to your shitty plebeian Brazilian politics? That old retard is only marginally less stupid than lefties like you, still not enough to save your country. It’s already down the drain faggot, Bolsonaro is too retarded to actually change anything, let’s just hope he kills a lot of commies while he desperately attempts. Don’t worry Fag PT will come back to power one day and I’ll be laughing my ass off as you plunder into complete chaos under them and become a USA colony state just like your Venezuelan brothers.
Asher Hall
>illegal for loans to be used for educational purposes, private or public. literally this
Blake Sullivan
Why not just say government can't issue loans? How can it be even possible to prevent someone from going to college with loaned money? Just remove the government funding, no need to use additional weird regulations.
Adrian Stewart
So what you're saying is the subsidies are working?
