I'm the best debator on pol. I keep hearing that this manlet leftist Destiny keeps "winning" debates, but I listened to 5 minutes of him talking and, even in that short time, he already resorted to obvious sophistry. Someone get me in contact with him so that I can organize a debate and crush him. The fact that he hasn't already been crushed is sickening.
Btw if there's any leftists brave enough to take me on I'll fight you right here.
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Debate this then.
Are you or are you not a faggot?
What debates has destiny even won?
BLACK girls are hot. Proove me wrong. Protip: you cant
You'd need to have a following to debate Destiny. Try starting a YT channel and uploading some videos first
aslong as they don't look like the yeti from ghostbusters, they can be really good looking.
It just feels so dirty to make a job out of telling people what they want to hear.
Who gives a fuck about some jewish AI, we are talking about humans, imbecile
Go ahead, pick a subject. I'll wait. Just got finished debating in a separate thread.
To be honest, I'd prefer not to have to solve a CAPTCHA every post, though, if you'd prefer any other medium I would be down. Otherwise, proceed.
literally jesus christ here AMA
Blacks: disproportionately obese. They're also the least responded to on dating websites. Meanwhile all you've provided is cherry picked photos.
Name a single non-white country as devoted to diversity and humanitarianism as the average EU member state.
Destiny has defeated the best pol debaters multiple times don't think your different, I used to be right wing before I watched him.
No need to debate, only to listen
Wow great arguments. You should be on CNN.
>I keep hearing that this manlet leftist Destiny keeps "winning" debates
Only leftists could believe that. He keeps getting anally raped over and over again.
>I keep hearing that this manlet leftist Destiny keeps "winning" debates
that's just a meme, friend
So are you going to respond or what? Leftist crushed at record speed. Only 1 post!
Ryan dawson "crushed" him
Once he starts talking about actual issues his lack of knowledge is immediately apparent
That's. . . Not a subject of debate. That's demanding I take a specific position. I don't hold the position that any non-white country is as devoted to diversity and humanism as members of the EU.
Dude here's the response
Kekmate.
Okay, then I will presume that you can't do it, let alone 5. If you value diversity and humanitarianism (which you must because you're a leftist commie), then you have to appreciate the fact that whites are more devoted to it than to any other race. So what are you doing to protect whites, the most humanitarian race?
>Commie mind blown
Wouldn't be the first time!
>Okay, then I will presume that you can't do it, let alone 5.
So if I named 1 country you would've moved the goalpost to naming 5? That's a fallacy, bro.
>If you value diversity and humanitarianism (which you must because you're a leftist commie), then you have to appreciate the fact that whites are more devoted to it than to any other race.
Nope, I don't agree with that, nor did I ever say I value diversity or humanism. You are already committing a logical fallacy in attributing positions that I have not taken to me.
>So what are you doing to protect whites, the most humanitarian race?
I see nothing to "protect whites" from.
>I see nothing to protect whites from
Are you blind?
Your ID is not that of the person whom I am "debating"
>im a leftist
>but i dont hold any leftist positions
k
I'm interested in debating some obscure fringe autistic leftypol beliefs.
>I see nothing to "protect whites" from.
lol
>I'm a master debater
We know already
>don't hold any leftist positions
Socialized medicine, education and prison systems. There's 3 subjects.
>I don't want to debate
Well, at least you're honest somewhere.
What is there to protect whites from?
It honestly is funny to me how quickly the "best debator on Jow Forums" backed out of debating.
Seriously he got fucked up by a literal retard (I.e. Jesse Lee Peterso )
Isnt he that faggot that's cheating on his wife chasing after that LilyPichu mousey runt? Looks like being a beta simp and yellow fever go hand in hand.
You use a meme flag. That makes you faggot and automatically discredits anything you say. Therefore you lose. An hero.
>The fact that he hasn't already been crushed is sickening.
He has been multiple times, but just like a kike conveniently doesn't remember the next day, and claims victory anyway.
Metokur was my favorite. Made him back peddle so many times.
You're not alone, my friend. Sophism and dialectic have not only infected modern debates and discourses. Even in science, especially in statistical science, one either does data mining (p-hacking) or one forms and twists the facts by means of sophistry and dialectics so that they fit into one's own agenda. The "modern" (a funny word for something that is actually the exact opposite) West as the personification of nihilism is the definitive death of our culture. If that doesn't change, it looks very bad for all of us.
>best debtor on Jow Forums
>no greek flag
Destiny is a pedo.
>you use a meme flag
Ad hominem fallacy
GG. Righty BTFO with FACTS and LOGIC
Destiny has won all of his debates, you retard.
Why would I debate against beliefs that almost no one holds? I'm chiefly concerned with combating the anti-white rhetoric that's so common and you're clearly a /leftypol/ autist. I could easily debate the subjects you want. (For example, private schools in India are doing FAR better than the public ones).
then debate him. call up destiny and debate him.
I'm not saying that to be a destiny loving liberal faggot, but because destiny seems to debate literally whos that were just in his chat or something. I'd like to see him btfo by somebody.
I think you're bullshitting and would bet on destiny just because he's a known factor, but I'd love to be wrong
You only dismiss him because he completely shit on your argument with three words.
You'd literally have to be blind to not see the threat to whites, especially in the EU
make videos on youtube calling people out, eventually you'll get there.
Destiny and leftwing debaters aren't bad they just show who really knows their shit and who doesn't. Bunch of newfags who come in and learn black crime stats and make an ideology out of it of course get btfo.
It's so sickening that it's so ubiquitous and it makes me wonder if there was ever even a time when that wasn't the case. I actually have a degree in statistics so I know what you're talking about in regards to p-hacking, yet lefties everywhere cite "studies", when studies very often mean all but fucking nothing. There's no more intellectual honesty or integrity.
What debates? Probably some inane bs. Stop watching ecelebs.
One man's hell is another mans heaven. Fire or water, my dude.
Gullible newfag. Destiny is a retard, but one even bigger retard thinks it is funny spam a forced meme about him being a good debater.
Fuck you diversions commie. We stand with Israel on this board.
>I could easily debate you
>I refuse to debate anyone that doesn't take the positions I prescribe to them
Then you're disingenuous. Also, India having private schools that do well isn't really a refutation but okay kek
You're welcome to explain whatever the position is. The 3 words did not address anything I said, nor did they take a position. Nor have you.
Yeah, you stramanned me. It's not that India has private schools that are doing well, it's that private school is nearly the only option in India. And how is that not a refutation of public schools being good? It's an extremely obvious correlation. Teachers in India know they won't get fired because they have a cushy government job so they don't even bother showing up to work. Actually, no, I'm not getting roped into a debate with you. All your posts are disingenuous as fuck and you use desperate CNN-like tactics like cutting off my sentences short to make it look bad. Go away retard.
>Yeah, you stramanned me.
Dude if you want to talk fallacies you lost the debate before it started by trying to force an opinion on me
>It's not that India has private schools that are doing well, it's that private school is nearly the only option in India. And how is that not a refutation of public schools being good? It's an extremely obvious correlation.
Correlation =/= causation. Just because India is doing well with a private system does not mean that a public system is bad. This is a logical fallacy in itself.
>Teachers in India know they won't get fired because they have a cushy government job so they don't even bother showing up to work.
I think you made a mistake here. You literally said India had private schools as the only option and then said this.
>Actually, no, I'm not getting roped into a debate with you. All your posts are disingenuous as fuck and you use desperate CNN-like tactics like cutting off my sentences short to make it look bad. Go away retard.
You asked for a debate and now back away. I am separating your claims in order to address each claim.
I would say, as a German, there really was a time when that wasn't the case. Personally I am Kantian (i.e. I follow Kant's philosophy). Only through Kant's philosophy did one really begin to work scientifically and factually correct in German culture and in the Enlightenment. Rational discourses were also extremely subtle and precise at that time.
But funnily enough (and strange as that may sound) when Einstein appeared in the early 20th century, the whole science (not only itself, but also philosophical) changed. Relativism was not only popularized scientifically, but also ethically and morally, which in turn led to a decline in morals. In addition, Einstein's concept of relativity had already been criticized by almost a hundred renowned scientists. At that time "television" and radio were still completely new and this was used directly to brand all critics as anti-Semites (because Einstein was Jewish). But there were even Jewish scientists who criticized Einstein's theory of relativity. But nobody cared. And with the solar eclipse experiment (which I say to this this day was heavily misinterpreted), they all forgot about the critics.
I am really firmly convinced that the cultural decline began with ethical relativism and after the Second World War it turned nihilistic, meaning the end of Western rational culture and seeing it now slowly driving is into our extinction.
>It just feels so dirty to make a job out of telling people what they want to hear.
just emphasize that you're only telling your opinion and something that may not necessarily be "the ultimate truth" and to do your own research on things or something
also say that you respect people who do their own research than people who blindly follow what other people say
From what I've heard, the decline began in the early 1900's from the likes of Trotsky and other jews infiltrating academia. Psychometric science was just starting to come up with meaningful results before some Harvard jew came in with his ill-gotten authority saying it's all a sham. Of course it's not a sham, it's completely legitimate, but that time marked when academia turned from a dispassionate pursuit of knowledge regardless of the societal consequences to one that's ideology driven and seeks to serve an active role in shaping the public's perception.
Try Zizek.
White ethnostate is as delusional of a fever dream as peaceful co-existance between races. Prove me wrong.
>Correlation =/= causation. Just because India is doing well with a private system does not mean that a public system is bad.
yeah and where did you prove it that's the case?
>Prove me wrong
Okay.
1. If not an ethnostate nor a mixed-state, then what's left?
2. Literal white ethnostates have existed in the past already though. Not only as a cultural ethos but also written into law. The United States was one.
>I'm the best debator on pol
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You're no Jow Forumsster
>I'm the best debator on pol
We have a ENTP here
How are you psychopathic devil doing
You are making the claim. The burden of proof that socialized education is bad is on your shoulders.
Japan leads the world in education and Japan is (mostly) public schooling with a fraction of private
>comparing highly technolized society vs street shitter nation that produces horrible programmers
Classic case of attributing an effect with the convenient variable of your choice when there are multiple variables at play that you conveniently ignore. If you had a shred of intellectual honesty you would understand that your argument is only sound if you had a second japan that could act as a control group. As it stands now you can't de-correlate other extremely relevant variables like culture and IQ.
>dude fallacy what you're doing is the fallacy known fallacy of post hoc burden of proof fallacy that is indeed of whom in fact; ergo the fallacy denying the antecedent fallacy of my fallacy
stop, you worthless faggot.
I'm going to make three assumptions:
1. you're under 25
2. you only learned all these terms for your college coursework
3. you're still in college or you don't yet support yourself
how right am I, commie child? you learned this shit when you were 18 because it was in your textbook. and that's how you carry yourself. as if philosophy 101 part 1: propositional logic is arcane knowledge you're imparting on the unwashed masses. I learned it when I was 12 talking on the internet
cringe.
When the fuck has destiny ever won a debate?
Go forth op and slay the beta
I've watched a couple of his debates and it seems like nobody wins them. Destiny uses logical fallacies and picks opponents with zero credentials other than being vaguely internet famous.
I think he's just autistic. He has facile knowledge of philosophy but doesn't understand it well enough to implement it properly. He spews platitudes like CORRELATION=/=CAUSATION merely because the word correlation was used. That phrase is so overly used because it's extremely easy to say and pseuds thinks it makes them look intellectual. The reality is that it was meant specifically for statistical analysis not to be thrown around all the time randomly in casual conversation.
>comparing countries
Was asked for a citation of public options being good. Not a comparison to India.
Never made the claim that public schools make Japan better. I was given India as a citation. I gave Japan as a citation. I don't consider either as valid arguments
>I'm going to make assumptions
Please don't, because all 3 were wrong kek
Correlation =/= causation is not specifically for statistics.
I have a masters in Philosophy but okay.
Since we're into making assumptions
>associates degree
He is a starcraft 2 pro that's why he is famous. Not because of his "debating skills" lol. It's easy to make it look like you never lose a debate if you just keep disagreeing and using sophistry instead of being honest. It's up to the viewer to see through the bullshit and I'm obviously not even considering debates against absolute brainlets.
>master's in philosophy
yikes
Oh, was that supposed to be an argument? You're such a good debator
you're 25 or over, you support yourself, and you didn't just learn basic logic from your spoonfed textbook?
then why do you carry yourself like a child who did? I gave you the benefit of an exuse. now you tell me you have no excuse.
of course, I don't believe you. you're a child. and you will be until you pay for yourself, instead of with your parents' money. scoring 90% on the name that fallacy multiple choice quiz doesn't make you accomplished.
Destiny. Varg, Contrapoints, and other "ecelebs" I only hear about on this cancerous board just shill themselves on here either directly or through useful fanboy idiots I don't know why the threads are allowed I guess it is "board culture"
Look at all these arguments which are based on character assassination. That's ad hominem, if you didn't know.
>hurr durr just because you know fallacies doesn't make you smart
No, it just makes me good at detecting weak arguments. Like yours.
and he says he supports himself. as what, a philosophy tutor? a philosophy TA? sandwich artist?
I'd like to ask why it isn't a phd. wasn't he good enough as an undergrad?
1. A mixed state of miserable, discontent people blaming each other for each other's problems. They'll be at each other's throats but it never really culminates into anything. Can you really call it peace when everyone is paranoid of everyone else making a move on them?
2. Slavery existed before and during the conception of the United States. Although they did not contribute toward legislation or politics directly (i.e. voted, ran for office, had political opinions considered) to a considerable degree, they still contributed to American culture, meaning in the past, even US culture wasn't completely white. Post-Civil War, the African slaves were recognized as US citizens in 1866 with the Civil Rights Act, and the white ethnostate dream died as they're forced to acknowledge their nigger neighbors as naturalized citizens.
>further character attacks
Yawn, the right wing lacks intellectual vigor, what a surprise
No, it was supposed to be an insult. I can't believe someone who misuses philosophical terms as badly as you do actually has a master's in the relevant subject.
>misuse
>no example
Pathetic
But 1 implies that pure states never existed, which they have, and as far as 2 goes, there are more examples then just the USA, although to begin with I would argue that holding slaves alone does not necessarily preclude "ethno-state" status. That would be like saying your country isn't an ethno-state because it has tourists.
you're pathetic. I expected that ad hominem coming right away. when you didn't reply with it the first time, I thought, "okay, maybe he's not a completely fucking worthless child. he's at least not stupid enough for THAT"
but no. you check all the internet philosophy undergrad boxes. I never engaged in ad hominem. I'll give you 10 points extra credit if you tell me why. do you want to call your supervisor and get back to me?
>Btw if there's any leftists brave enough to take me on I'll fight you right here.
so you like tax breaks for companies i take it. how will you fund the government? will you support cuts to the military or military benefits? probably not. how about welfare? yes? so you want to increase spending on the prison system i take it
>no response
well your going to have to spend more on prisons if you cut welfare any
>no response
look at this the guy eager for a fight wont say anything and isnt a good debater hes just a desperate faggot looking for a hand out and hopes 11th hour faggotry is enough to become some youtube guy. well im sorry nigger but your going to become homeless because nobody makes money on youtube any more. the big names get endorsements and you wont get 5 mil subscribers talking shit online now days. i hope you like sucking dick behind applebees dumpsters because you got a lot of that in your future. just like laura southern
>lots of talking
>no substance
Honestly I can do this all day. There's nothing to engage, as typical of this board.
>So if I named 1 country you would've moved the goalpost to naming 5? That's a fallacy, bro.
Not a fallacy. You never even made an argument to begin with, so how can I be using a fallacy as an argument to counter it? Misuse no. 1.
>Nope, I don't agree with that, nor did I ever say I value diversity or humanism. You are already committing a logical fallacy in attributing positions that I have not taken to me.
It's not a fallacy to inaccurately assume someone beliefs something in good faith. If you're so autistic as to call that a fallacy you're beyond hope.
>Correlation =/= causation.
I did not use correlation in the scientific term, I used it in a colloquial way. Eg: The correlation between touching the stove and getting burned is clear. Yet you scream CORRELATION ISNT CAUSATION!!! desperately despite being one of the most overused and misused platitudes around. It's a surefire way to spot a pseud who's sure of himself because he thinks he's backed by credentials, which, ironically, is fallacious.
>I think you made a mistake here. You literally said India had private schools as the only option and then said this.
This is just bad reading comprehension. I said NEARLY the only option, as in most public schools are so bad you can't even consider them.
Honestly I could keep going. Just about every post you made was awful and rife with illogicalities. God help the academic system if simpletons like you can get a master's degree in philosophy.
where did I say I was right wing? where is your intellectual vigor? why are you character assassinating me!?
he doesnt debate in good faith. his version of winning is just being logically consistent. you can see this often in his debates. it's lazy and not interesting after some point. prime example :look at how he debated veganism. he basically took the position as a psychopath to maintain consistency. He spends most of his time debating bottom tier idiots
I won’t prove you wrong I want chocolate womb to instill seeds
do what all day? avoid the question? I posed a direct challenge to you regarding your supposed area of expertise (though, really a masters just suggests to me your undergrad gpa wasn't high)
this is as close to your safe, sheltered classroom as it gets. answer the question. get the ten points of credit. prove to me you're not as retarded as I think you are by telling me why exactly I didn't engage in ad hominem, and why you made a stupid mistake in claiming I did
your expression is stunted. I wouldn't be impressed reading your work, I bet. who would be?
>But 1 implies that pure states never existed
Speculation until given citation.
>holding slaves alone does not necessarily preclude "ethno-state" status
Slaves were people before being enslaved, and the ruling government that enslaved you isn't the final say on your status as a human being. Also, tourists don't take permanent residence in countries they visit, otherwise it would make them immigrants. Tourists also do not impact the culture of the countries they visit.
I should also say that I do not deny the existence of ethnostates in the past. My main point is that the creation of the White Ethnostate Jow Forums ever so lovingly has its wet dreams about will never be realized. I do thank you for pointing out my lack of clarity in my previous statement.
>Misuse no. 1.
Boy, you revealed your intent to move the goal posts. You intended to switch from "name 1 country" to "name 5"
>It's not a fallacy to inaccurately assume someone beliefs something in good faith.
It is not good faith to say "which you must because you're a leftist commie" kek. Do you know what "good faith" is? You created an argument for me and ran with it. Fuck you're stupid
>I did not use correlation in the scientific term, I used it in a colloquial way.
"I WASN'T MEANING WHAT I SAID"
Then don't say it, retard. I didn't bring up my credentials until you did, so that's not an appeal to authority lol.
>This is just bad reading comprehension. I said NEARLY the only option, as in most public schools are so bad you can't even consider them.
This doesn't have to do with fallacies, I was ensuring I understood your argument.
Oh hey, you ended with an ad hominem. You are REALLY bad at this.
Mate honestly at this point you're just being annoying. Dismissed.
you actually can't do it. even when I give you plenty of time to think. it's not that you had a temporary slip. you just don't know.
let those who do observe that this child claims he's got a masters in philosophy. I hope not. revise your first year, first semester classes. you're fucking pathetic.
>>But 1 implies that pure states never existed
>Speculation until given citation.
Just explain what you mean, I understand that a citation might not be effective.
this is what pilpul looks like
Pic related. It's you
>Boy, you revealed your intent to move the goal posts. You intended to switch from "name 1 country" to "name 5"
There's no such fallacy as "intent to commit a fallacy", despite how eager you are to epically pwn the racists on on pol with logic. By definition a fallacy is not committed unless it is used in the place of a real argument to counter another argument.
>It is not good faith to say "which you must because you're a leftist commie" kek. Do you know what "good faith" is? You created an argument for me and ran with it. Fuck you're stupid
Okay, then tell me which fallacy I'm guilty of. There isn't one, hence the misuse of philosophical term "fallacy". Fallacy has a specific meaning, which I would expect a master's holder to understand, but you throw it around haphazardly.
>Then don't say it, retard. I didn't bring up my credentials until you did, so that's not an appeal to authority lol.
Point is you wouldn't have said it at all had I chosen any number of different words to use. You keep dodging the primary crux of why you're misusing everything. Correlation =/= causation is a phrase that's exclusively used to warn people about the nature of statistical analyses. Anything outside of that context is pseud and to use it as such implies you aren't as educated as you're claiming
>This doesn't have to do with fallacies, I was ensuring I understood your argument.
No, it doesn't. It just shows you lack the grasp of language you would expect of a master's student.
>Oh hey, you ended with an ad hominem. You are REALLY bad at this.
Yet again you misuse philosophical terminology. Ad hominem is not synonymous with "insult". By definition I have no committed an ad hominem fallacy unless I use an insult in the place of an argument. If I make an argument and then call you a dumbass, it's not an ad hominem fallacy, dumbass.
I like the work you are doing keep it up. Us oldfags are retiring soon.
I'm not a virgin. I'd lean towards you being one simply because of your autistic, stunted undergrad ways, but that's not provable.
what's provable is that you don't know what ad hominem means. and that you claimed to have a masters in philosophy. reconcile those two for me.
the absolute intellectual rigour.