Communism and Socialism

so your saying that you think technology will replace most manual labor jobs, ok that is a possibility for the future, maybe even a good thing, but i dont see how that has anything to do with communism

I hate America

> Unfortunately communism will never be done correctly, because communists are inherently retarded, and I suggest you get a fucking job you lazy piece of shit.

Nice argument there boyo!

I like how you say "better alternative" because we know that no one living under communism can afford the computer to get on Jow Forums, let alone uncensored internet.

They honestly believe human society could ever function and develop without hierarchical structures. And if a hierarchical structure somehow develops from the corpse of the one they just toppled, "oh well that wasn't REALLY socialism/communism, let's try again but everyone behave this time ok?"
Marxists are retarded, not worth humoring or even interacting with. They live in fantasy land and aim for a completely unreachable and unreasonable ideal.

Also, Marxist ideology attracts the very worst type of person. That alone should tell you how great it is.

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> why you think they are a better alternative to the current system of your country

Cause they were a better alternative already.
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>They honestly believe human society could ever function and develop without hierarchical structures.

No. Humans are NOT ultimately equal and need management or some kind of coordination. It's just the stupidest shit right-wing forces, while this worldview was debunked even by Marx.

technology creates abundance and in a post -scarce world communism would be possible for real since everyone would have access to everything they need and it would be shared, this is why I think communism is inevitable.

think the block chain, its decentralized and gives power back to the people without a need for a central authority, on the block chain everyone is equal, thats one example.

Don't ask Jow Forums, go read Marx for yourself.

More Natsoc or Natbol, but I lean pretty far to the left of economics.

Nothing, and I literally mean nothing, can make the current elites successful without the labor and protection from everyone else in society. They need workers, consumers, banks, lawyers and protectors to keep everything together. While they are entitled to a higher living standard, it shouldn't be so high that everyone who essentially allowed them to recieve that living standard gets stomped on.

We are approaching an age where machines will do all the labor, and humans will have an ever-decreasing role in the workplace. Western society needs to shift away from trying to benefit the wealthy, well-networked, Jewish elites and shift its focus to looking after the people.

This isn't about welfare or shit like that, it's about treating humans fairly. If this were 3000 years ago, I could build a wooden lodge on some land and call it "mine". Now with many laws, I would have to pay a good amount of money to purchase a house or have one built for me just to be in accordance with other laws.

It's bullshit. Savage cavemen have better rights than modern man does, and they had shorter work weeks.

well i mean first of all puting aside that all technologies pretty much are trail blazed by capitalism, there is still the issue of that not all jobs will be replaced by automation, but lets forget that capitalism made it possible and that all the jobs go away and the machine somehow manage to self repair and manage themselves
so we have pretty much taken the labour argument out which was my main point of discussion ,what other aspects of communism are you saying would be achieved in this theoretical hyper tech ai jobless world?
what if somebody decide that they want a job despite not having to work? now they all of a sudden are more successful then the people who dont work?
lets say that the ai gives everyone enough, what if somebody decides they want more?

isn't it inherent to human nature that some ppl will just naturally be more successful then others?
also, who are the people?
everyone?
the middle class?
a certain racial group?
why should i have any sympathy for an average Chinese person?

> Let's say ai gives everyone enough, what if somebody decides they want more.

Obviously he didn't get enough and there is some measure of deviancy within him or the system that needs to be corrected.

Within the context of a social system, everyone.

Yes there are people who will be more successful than others, but just because they are more successful doesn't mean they are more human. Everyone's needs should be provided for and can be provided for, not just the wealthy.

The individual's success should be transferred to his tribe just like how the tribe's success benefits the individual.

>and there is some measure of deviancy
what you call deviancy may just be basic human nature to gather as much resources as you can
humans are inherently hierarchical creatures and social status is part of our biological drive, i want a bigger house, more food, more moeny, more water, more cars, a faster car, a new paint job, more women, more land etc
its basic human nature, so we should just kill anybody who displays these impulses?

> what other aspects of communism are you saying would be achieved in this theoretical hyper tech ai jobless world?

Healthier community, healthier social relations instead of cut throat competition

> what if somebody decide that they want a job despite not having to work? now they all of a sudden are more successful then the people who dont work?

If you want to work on something then you can you just wont be able to exploit others in the process, you can work on what ever you enjoy and not worry about being fired or having your future dictated by external forces all the time.

> what if somebody decides they want more?

People only want more because they live in a capitalist culture that tells them they should be selfish and greedy and want more stuff so that they will work hard for someone else and consume, you only have to turn on the tv to see that its all capitalist propaganda on it telling you that unless you you should work and buy stuff to impress people. In a culture where sharing and caring for each other were the dominant values, people wouldn't think in selfish capitalist terms any more.

Because capitalism is incredibly inefficient and filled with internal systemic-threatening contradictions. Capitalism has literally no answers to the falling rate of profit, increasing wealth inequality, environmental degradation, or automation. Capitalism was useful while it lasted but if you still support capitalism you're basically a luddite who refuses to use better technology and ideas.
>Don't ask Jow Forums, go read Marx for yourself.
This

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so essentially it boils down to, the people who accelerate should not have a right to any more then those who dont? wouldn't this create a desentive for anyone to be successful and an insentive for people to simply be mediocre, and hasnt human society been advanced by remarkable individuals? some of these induviduals did it for the greater good some for personal gain some a mix of both some for the sheer sake of it, but in the end it advanced society for the better, if we cripple peoples drive to achieve wouldn't we cripple all progress?

> People only want more because they live in a capitalist culture

FUCKING KEK'D
apparently basic human nature only existed in capitalism

>i want a bigger house, more food, more moeny, more water, more cars, a faster car, a new paint job, more women, more land etc
its basic human nature, so we should just kill anybody who displays these impulses?
>more water

So you're just want to overdrink yourself to death? This is ridiculous.

Everything you described over there is personal property (not the one commies want to redistribute), social status or the stupidest claim ever.

>healthier social relations instead of cut throat competition
people would still be able to compete in a cut throat way as you put it on other aspects besides economic wealth, height, genes, looks, personality, iq, wisdom etc
>If you want to work on something then you can you just wont be able to exploit others
what if somebody is naturally gifted as a musician and decides to flaunt his social status in order to fuck every women he sees and use people in any way he wants? and if these people are willing to participate doesnt this create inequality?
you have bob the welder from west virgina who doesnt have to work because of ai, but hes fat ugly and uninteresting, you have chad from LA who is a famous musician and fucks all the hot chicks and is invited to all social gatherings, meanwhile bob sits home and watches tv all day, obv this is a meme example but still

I'll expand a little since you didn't fully get it

People back in the day had to fight over resources in order to survive right? They had this scarcity mindset and we still have it, the situation forced people to always be on the lookout for more, more food, more material, more resources etc, there was competition as well so they had to be extra aggressive and selfish since resources were scarce back then obviously since there was no mass production of goods.

Thing is this mindset would not be necessary in a post-scarce world. I agree that humans are selfish but they are also empathic, compassionate, cooperative and like to share, these traits need to come before greed and selfishness do you understand?

>social status or the stupidest claim ever
social status is the stupidest claim ever, is that what you meant to say?
its a basic fact that humans operate in a social hierarchy on many aspects not just wealth
if you take away peoples drive for basic needs like water, food and shelter, the only thing left would be sexual drive to reproduce and social status

>people would still be able to compete in a cut throat way as you put it on other aspects besides economic wealth, height, genes, looks, personality, iq, wisdom etc

Yeah they sure would, but there's a difference between a competition under the "fuck you I've got mine" motto and under the "let the people do the work they're best in"

>and if these people are willing to participate doesn't this create inequality?

Yes, it does. A fully egalitarian society is impossible. But isn't what commies are trying to accomplish.

>Strong community
>Strong mind
>Strong health
>And good will.
BASED SUPREME BEINGS.

>social status is the stupidest claim ever, is that what you meant to say?

No, I meant to say that you wanted either personal property, either social status, either stupidest and essentially useless for a single and ordinary man thing ever.

Hierarchy is inherent to humanity, at least to some extent. It's not a question of a removing hierarchy, its a question of removing private property. There can be (and were) forms of collective hierarchical ownership. That are not a "let's throw shit in and let the markets decide"

While I do understand your point, the very foundation of that argument is at fault, now I'm not going to go further into this argument because I didnt plan on doing so in the first place. Humans will always seek to better eachother, due our competitive nature, yes we are selfless and etc. but the lust for power, prestige and similar will always be our primary goal, no matter how you put it, this is the universal law for our nature, we will often if not always look at things with a perspective of, "how will this benefit me?".

socialism is a business structure in which laborers own the means of production and the product of their labor. Only actual retards would support a socialist "system" or government, so, no one worth listening to supports it as an alternative.

Communism is even more retarded as a system of governance because it falls victim to the tragedy of the commons.

Take the Marxpill

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>free people up to focus on doing what they like
this is my favorite commie meme. People don't just like things for no reason. A lack of survival pressure would free people up to lay down and rot in depression, and not much else.

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> this is the universal law for our nature, we will often if not always look at things with a perspective of, "how will this benefit me?".

I dont think it is, its just been put before all other human traits by the culture and propaganda, capitalist indoctrination and scarcity etc.

Not at all. Everything should be taken in moderation. Including one's wine, women, and wheat. If somebody wants more it either means they are deficient or excessive. One is a problem of the system in this scenario, the other the problem of the individual. There are philosophical and sociological arguments that would be in agreement with that line of reasoning.

People can and should have the opportunity to have more, but it shouldn't come at a cost to the tribe. Everyone should be able to own a home with basic amenities. If you want a mansion, you should be able to do so but you should pay for it and it can't be at the expense of others (bulldozing tenements for your mcmansion).

Right now in Capitalist states, remarkable individuals like Newton don't really exist because people are doing it for the paycheck and not for passion. A theoretical socialist economic model would include free university but it would only be for those who show competence in the field already. When people have to choose between becoming a 80,000 a year cop or a 50,000 a year pharmacist, they're going to choose the former though they may have a passion in the chemical and biological sciences.

Capitalism is an interesting system in theory, but it doesn't optimize more give the individual the chance to become something greater than their base desires.

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> it falls victim to the tragedy of the commons

The tragedy of the commons is the tragedy of miscoordination. It's a problem of the lawless and mismanaged society, not a Socialist one.

> its a question of removing private property
like ive said if this is achieved with ai, there would still be things, people would be better at then others, personality, iq looks, genes, race, wisdom, etc, in this world people would simply stop (they woudlnt there would still be those who wanted to gain more despite not having to) fight over these things, im pretty sure the first thing that would happen in this "communist" ai world is a race war

>Explain why YOU support communism
>Go read it for yourself
you folks truly are retards, sad.

If you want to be a musician than thats fine you can be one, musicians dont exploit others they just play an instrument

look, capitalists always talk about drive and passion righ?

> you gotta have passion bro, you gotta have drive bro if you want to make it bro

This means that there are passionate and driven people same as there are people with no passion or drive and thats fine, why would people bu different in the communist tech world I'm describing? If bob wants to just watch tv thats fine he'll have everything provided for him.

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socialism and communism are not the same thing. socialism does not necessarily need to contend with the tragedy of the commons, communism does.

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>any Communists or Socialists
Those living in Western countries can not be true Communists/Socialists. They are pretenders... If you want to be a true communist -- move to Venezuela or Cuba.

This is fact, user. It's been that way since the start. Be real, in no way should everyone be equal, nor can everyone be equal. We can ignore the truth, and fall into the rabbit hole of falsehoods, or embrace the truth, and follow it's trail to salvation.

Communism is, essentially, a futuristic utopia full of societally responsible and ant-like communards. Obviously, it's unachievable, unless you're into posadism.

So, you're essentially right (except for the "retarded" part). I misinterpreted your words.

>which is why capitalism today is exhausting itself since its running out of things to commodify, running out of ideas
Do you really believe this? When did this start happening in your mind?

> This is fact, user. It's been that way since the start. Be real, in no way should everyone be equal, nor can everyone be equal. We can ignore the truth, and fall into the rabbit hole of falsehoods, or embrace the truth, and follow it's trail to salvation.

I keep telling you guys its been like that for so long because of scarcity of resources, you're just brainwashed by capitalist propaganda just like the next person.

>If bob wants to just watch tv thats fine he'll have everything provided for him.
thats my point, if you remove peoples primary needs, the secondary ones will become primary, and now you have a new inequality, sure bob can sit at home and not starve, thirst or freeze to death, but nobody wants his kids, nobody wants to hang out with him, bob has no reason to live, bob an heros, wealth is at least something people can compete over, genes, iq and looks cant be changed, harvy weinstein would just kill himself in this world, and all people like him, because he has nothing to offer
but i think it boils down to this, you are trying to make basic human needs gone, we cant blow up the water food and housing because we need it, so we create magic ai self fixing robots to give us all of it, unending sources of energy etc, a true sci fi utopia, now, we dont need those resources, but we still have other needs, some will still excel in these needs then others, this creates inequality its a matter of replacing one resource for another

Legal to kill commies, keep pushing and we will start

I'm not even capitalist, I'm traditional corporalist. I hope you get well soon, user, because those estrogen pills are affecting your brain.

I grew up in a communist country, we didn't have nice things but it was still nice. Travel was cheap, vacation was cheap, food was cheap. Life was not materialistic and it was good.
Living in US, living paycheck to paycheck. Working more hours to pay more bills to buy the things I actually don't need. You buy an iphone and a year later it's shit and you need to buy new one. It's a never-ending rat race.

> thats my point, if you remove peoples primary needs, the secondary ones will become primary, and now you have a new inequality,

Open your mind user, passion, creativity, drive exist within people not because of capitalist lol, they are natural human traits why would passionate people be lazy in communism? Money is only one of the rewards, recognition would still exist in the world i describe just not recognition based on how much money you have.

>harvy weinstein would just kill himself in this world, and all people like him, because he has nothing to offer

Good, he should kill himself, there is no place for narcissistic psychopaths in Communism

> you are trying to make basic human needs gone

No I dont understand how you can come to that conclusion.

>No I dont understand how you can come to that conclusion.
by removing them with ai which will simply provide them
>Open your mind user, passion, creativity, drive exist within people not because of capitalist lol, they are natural human traits why would passionate people be lazy in communism? Money is only one of the rewards, recognition would still exist in the world i describe just not recognition based on how much money you have.
if you actually think the first thing people would do if they dont have to worry about primary needs is make art forever then idk what to tell you user
basically you have replaced the water, food and shelter with ai, now the ai is a resource people will fight over and want only for themselves
>Good, he should kill himself, there is no place for narcissistic psychopaths in Communism
so basically when you give everyone everything with magic self managing ai your going to start shooting anyone who dosnt fit a overly friendly hippy artist profile?

> if you actually think the first thing people would do if they dont have to worry about primary needs is make art forever then idk what to tell you user

Why not? becuase they dont get a paycheck? they get recognition from the collective instead and other rewards for being successful, they just can't be an exploting Harvey Winestein character that thrives on exploiting others since people would shame that kind of behavour in the communist society I'm describing.

basically you have replaced the water, food and shelter with ai, now the ai is a resource people will fight over and want only for themselves

What, why? If people have all the basic necessities provided for them they wouldn't have to be slaves in order to afford them and they could focus on doing what they enjoy, if you enjoy just watching tv then watch tv I dont see the problem.

Working just fine for us here, user.

Wrote a lengtly reply but accidentally clicked out of the page and now its gone shit.

COMMUNISM IS FOR FAGS

If capitalism isn't running out of things to commodify and capitalize on , then why does it feel the need to commodify people now then?

In short, by removing any need for money, energy, water, shelter and food, the next thing will be reproduction, lets say we race mix everyone in to a single race, and remove all cultural animosities with this, lets say religion dies out, and lets say by some stroke of luck no funny mousthace person will ever roll around and invent a new ideology or religion or movement, lets say we cure all diseases, and lets say we invent stimpacks and extend the human life indefinitely, lets say we can artificial program your offspring to look any way you want, lets say we have sex bots so you can fuck as much as you want, great, now you have no cultural animosity, no poverty, resource wars, hunger or thirst, no racial animosity, no diseases, a completely fulfilled sexual drive, and a guarantee of having offspring for everyone, you know what happens now? People start killing themselfs because they have no reason to live, or more likely start shooting themselfs up with every drug they can, or more likely pluging in to ai to lie in a virtual reality forever. Welcome to the brave new world.

Its good for birth rates.

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Cringe and boomerpilled.

People are killing themselves now at a rate higher than ever before. Essentially, the end state of communism is everyone living like 18th century aristocrats, just pursuing whatever they want be it creatively or scientifically. People are killing themselves because the division of labour has transformed them into commodified labour-units doing one thing only, on which Marx says:
>For as soon as the distribution of labour comes into being, each man has a particular, exclusive sphere of activity, which is forced upon him and from which he cannot escape. He is a hunter, a fisherman, a herdsman, or a critical critic, and must remain so if he does not want to lose his means of livelihood; while in communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic.

>People start killing themselfs because they have no reason to live, or more likely start shooting themselfs up with every drug they can,

People are already doing that today and they don't have sexbots, stimpacks or virtual worlds, religion. In my world there would be so much enjoyable things to do and people are most happy when they can do what they enjoy adn thats how they thrive as well, they would have plenty of reason to live, exploring virtual worlds and creating them, doing creative things, learning new things etc, imagine playing a virtual game resembling a walking dead universe or something and its very realistic, that would be fucking awesome, Id could probably do that forever and I would never get so depressed that I would want to kill myself.

You talk about human nature, but guess what...
I'm human and that does not apply to me...
So, by simply logic, your theory fail.
:)

>imagine playing a virtual game resembling a walking dead universe or something and its very realistic, that would be fucking awesome, Id could probably do that forever and I would never get so depressed that I would want to kill myself.
so basically ultimately thats the thing you propose that we just plug out of reality forever
personally i cant say that i would want to stop anyone from doing this but i would never want to be a part of it, so i guess you can count me out of your virtual ai future
also
>people are already doing that
probably because society is advancing and as it advances people have less and less reason to live, so my point is being proven, people in the west especially are unhappy despite having the best living standards while a simple nomad living in the countryside of asia is much more happy
people are not killng themselfs because of poverty or not controling the means of labour if that were true, everyone in africa would shoot themselves in the next week,
chaning trades would not make people happy in any way, or doing things just for the sake of them
>a hunter
why?
the ai gives you food
for the fun of it?
how much hunting can you do until it becomes meaningless
etc etc

>same rates of births as in the inter-war period
hmmmm

Why would you shoot a man before throwing him out of a helicopter?

Yes, that technology called the government owns everything. We must advance this "technology".

Neo-Commies are larpers just like Neo-Nazis

Suicide in the western world is so prevalent because people are radically deindividualized by the institutions of capital. One becomes a 'hunter' or 'fisherman' instead of being someone who simply hunts or fishes. This contradiction leads to increasing angst. In Africa, even though they're extremely poor, capital and therefor the division of labour haven't really progressed to a point where the people are jumping off buildings everyday, in addition to the fact that African cultures are generally more easy going than western and Asian ones (look into the research where African schizophrenics heard happy voices of their ancestors instead of malicious ones).

As far as the hunter comment, I don't think Marx was really thinking about the future so much, just something he would like to do without it becoming a job. Plenty of people hunt for the fun of it, and it can still be helpful from a wildlife management perspective as we already eliminated all the deer's natural predators.

I'm not suggesting everyone live in a virtual world, its an option to have some fun.

In the capitalist society today, if its supposed to be so great then why are so many people depressed and have unfulfilling lives? Its because capitalism commodifies and turn people into objects/products to be bought and sold in a way on the market, it atomizes and alienates people form themselves. Think about it, capitalism needs people to consume to stay alive which is why sex, social relations have even become commodified at this point( porn, social media etc) which disintegrates communities, social relationship, sexual relationships they lose their authenticity and get reduced to business transactions.

> people are not killng themselfs because of poverty or not controling the means of labour if that were true, everyone in africa would shoot themselves in the next week,

KEK most people kill themselves because the are lacking something thats vital to human needs, social relations, sexual relations, food and money, being deprived of these things makes you depressed and can lead to suicide, and people who are poor often lack these things.

Don't answer my question with a question, homo

Was getting caught part of the commie's plan?

Such disparity between the rich and the poor in America because of evil capitalism. I heard that some people only have one TV and don't live in an apartment. Why can't we be advanced as a nation?

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Also people commit suicide because of not living up to the standards imposed by capitalist society, ideals and standards.

If I seized the means of production, would you die?

don't > only

The end state of communism is an impossible utopia and the methods used to try and achieve it are enforced on everyone, whether they like it or not.
Communism doesn't work and has never worked - it only creates misery and poverty everywhere it is tried in large scale.

It would make me extremely hungry

>deindividualized
but you have agreed with my description of this future in this comment i madecorrect?
in this world people have been removed of all individuality, religion does not exist, neither do different races, neither do any skills because there is no need for them, they may exist but nobody is doing it because there is no need to be a welder, neither does social status because everything social status may grand you based on your predispositions is granted regardless, essentially people are a walking grey blob without purpose, you are proposing that in a world where humanity has been ridden of most basic impulses and needs, the desire for simple non destructive pleasure and creativity would be enough to keep one living with a purpose, this is simply an overrach in to human nature, very few would just want to live for the sake of doing some leasure activities and hobbies

And the Urals

Because it is not Capitalism.The far right has this love affair with hierarchies believes that having things be equal is a fantasy.
Forget that hierarchies are man made. Are enforced by humans. They believe the wealthy deserve their wealth. The most hard working and smarter the system does not reward as they wish it did.

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>lawless and mismanaged society
which is why socialist economies always fall to authoritarianism and mismanagement. I don't want to put words into your mouth but how does this work with Marx's theory that the state will "wither away"? That's my central gripe.

I'm a socialist because socialism is the best way to destroy the international jew

>Giving Communists any excuse to larp as 'intellectuals'!

Ewwww! Lad!

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>In my world there would be so much enjoyable things to do and people are most happy when they can do what they enjoy adn thats how they thrive as well, they would have plenty of reason to live, exploring virtual worlds and creating them, doing creative things, learning new things etc, imagine playing a virtual game resembling a walking dead universe or something and its very realistic, that would be fucking awesome, Id could probably do that forever and I would never get so depressed that I would want to kill myself.
This is pretty sad. You've just admitted that you live in your own world where everything is awesome and no one is sad. The difference between your politics and mine is that I'm interested in actionable solutions that could bring about positive change within my lifetime.

There's an idea called capitalist realism where we essentially can't envision any other system but capitalism because we have become so engrossed in it. The concept that purpose can only be found in a struggle to survive and not grow, that a new system would never work because it does not look like today. Communism is not antithetical to the ideas of religion and race; on religion Marx was mostly opposed because he saw it as an impediment to class consciousness. Civilisation existed for thousands of years without capitalism, and it's heading for this type of world anyways. Full automation will happen at some point, and the people not at the top can either enjoy it, or be ground into paste.

your central premise seems to be that without struggle, humanity lives for nothing. That's pretty fascist (in a literal sense).

while it is true that being deprived of basic needs lead to suicide so would having them complete granted without any work for it
i have not expressed any personal oppinions so far, so i am not defending nor promoting capitalism although i understand why you are basic your point of reference to it because it is the leading system that most of us live in, what you are saying about capitalism that it essentaly dehumanizes people is true in many ways, but at the same time as capitalism may make people unhappy in the way you have described it so would a ai communist world where there needs are simply met without them being involved in them in any way, what makes people happy is when they can participate struggle and succeed, having all your needs met would desentivize people from them, its the same as getting a first place trofy for not doing anything

yes that is correct i have many beliefs that are in line with fascism

My point was that once everyone have access to what they need, be free from wageslaving and can do what they enjoy and whats meaningful to them, this would make for a more healthy society and people would less depressed and not want to kill themselves.

>There's an idea called capitalist realism where we essentially can't envision any other system but capitalism because we have become so engrossed in it
i am not a huge supporter of capitalism nor do i think that we shoudlnt look for alternative systems
>Communism is not antithetical to the ideas of religion and race; on religion Marx was mostly opposed because he saw it as an impediment to class consciousness.
my point on religion and race was that by replacing all our needs with the ai, the ai would become a resource and people would fight over who will inherit it, i asked both of you communist anons about whats your solution to this but you gave no answer, so i pruposed a solution that people would race mix to the extend that race would disappear as we would all become one race, and that religion will wither away with time or by being replaced by a single world wide religion with this cultural and racial differences would go away, and there would be no tribal need to fight over the ai, i assumed you agreed with the premise
>Full automation will happen at some point, and the people not at the top can either enjoy it, or be ground into paste.
please explain further what you mean by this

CAPITALISM ENSLAVES THE HUMAN RACE. CAPITALISM BAD.

COMMUNISM GOOD.
-marx

It's the nature of capitalism to destroy itself. Capitalism motivates people to be selfish, and to try destroying their competition, which means all the other people.

It motivates only to help each other to destroy people who stand in their way, and discourages helping each other, as in capitalism doing so doesn't make any sense. It only makes sense to pretend helping another person, while making sure they get nothing from it, so that you get social credit without strenghtening your competition.

Unlike what Ayn Rand claimed, it is in fact capitalism where the smartest suffer the most, since they are the most competition for everybody, so nobody is motivated to cooperate with them and is in fact motivated to harm them in any way possible.

So the nature of capitalism that all the extra resources are spent on fighting each other through various means and there is no real profit for anybody, and it eventually breeds people stupid on top of that.

It may bring temporal wealth to the lucky few, but that is an illusion that is going to fall, as everybody is motivated to get their wealth, or to destroy it if they can't get it.

Communism discourages competition since by its nature you benefit from the existence of others, so you gain no benefit from harming them, and it can use the extra resources for savings and further growth as they are not spent on endless competing.

Essentially the same principle that made the Argentine ant conquer the planent.

I am third position, so a kind of socialist I guess. it's better because anything would be better than current Burgerland policies.

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