At a high-level meeting in Rome this week, it seems that Russia reiterated a grave warning to the US – Moscow will not tolerate American military intervention to topple the Venezuelan government with whom it is allied.
On Venezuela, Russia is having to remind the criminal American rulers – again – about international law and respect for national sovereignty, as Moscow earlier did with regard to Syria.
And in case Washington gets into a huff and tries the military option, Moscow this week told regime-change henchman Abrams that that’s a red line. If Washington has any sense of rationale left, it will know from its Syria fiasco that Russia has Venezuela’s back covered.
Political force is out. Military force is out. Respect international law and Venezuela’s sovereignty. That’s Russia’s eminently reasonable ultimatum to Washington.
Now, the desperate Americans could still try more sabotage, cyber or financial. But their options are limited, contrary to what Trump thinks.
How the days of American imperialist swagger are numbered. There was a time when it could rampage all over Latin America. Not any more, evidently. Thanks in part to Russia’s global standing and military power.
>On Venezuela, Russia is having to remind the criminal American rulers – again – about international law and respect for national sovereignty, as Moscow earlier did with regard to Syria. Fuck you
Joseph Reyes
>Political force is out. Military force is out. Respect international law and Venezuela’s sovereignty. I completely agree w/this. Venezuelans wanted this, they asked for it, they voted for it. Why should one single mutt life or dollar be spent correcting their mistake? Hard lessons are the best ones, look at how based the Eastern Bloc countries are now. Best thing we ever did for them was abandoning them. That red pill will past for generations.
Asher Price
>Venezuelans wanted this, they asked for it, they voted for it. Imagine sucking propaganda this hard.
Jace Fisher
t. Bolton on a proxy
> “No, we did not come to a meeting of minds, but I think the talks were positive in the sense that both sides emerged with a better understanding of the other’s views,” he told reporters.
>“A better understanding of the other’s views,” means that the American side was given a red line to back off.
Sounds like another one of Trump's neocons got shouted at by the Russians!
Everyone is saying this except neocon traitors like Abrams and co. Pic related, this is what they have in store for the US citizens if they get their war.
>“I think it’s rather ironic for our government to say they want to take care of Venezuela... by having a coup and threatening them with military violence because they’re not democratic enough,” he said.
>American intervention in Venezuela’s affairs is “unwise, very dangerous, it will be costly, it’s against our rules, and if they pretend that we have to go in because we want to spread American values, those aren’t my values,” said Paul, whose son is Republican Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky.
>He said the US criticizes other countries for alleged ‘meddling’ but “when we do it, it’s right and proper and almost holy.”
How exactly are twitter screenshots a compelling argument against the actual war crimes Maduro has commited on Venezuela?
Leo Barnes
What war crimes?
Jack Cooper
Listen I am sure that I would be against Maduro if I was Venezuelan.
Capitalism without sanctions > Communism with Sanctions
Duh....but you have to do it yourselves, not expect some american troops to save the day...stop being a pussy and start fighting if you want cuckido as your president.
Henry Clark
Sad how easily people get gamed. Why don't people understand to never believe shit on the internet by now?
Daniel Foster
Wew lad >imprisoned minors >tortured protesters >shooting live ammunition against protesters >funding terrorist cells >funding guerrillas >assassination of the opposition >creating actual gangs to shoot protesters >drug trafficking >rapes and tortures in the regular when a protester is captured.
Jeremiah Cruz
The problem is that by doing nothing, we're giving China and Russia footholds in our hemisphere.
Charles Wright
Based Russians. In about a decade the Eagle's wings will be clipped and the military won't be able to do the kinds of shit it got away with in the 80s, 90s, 00s, and 10s.
Rule of law is rule of law bitch. And Venezuala's actual constitution literally requires Guido to take the reins.
Nathan Ortiz
lol putin is a fucking manlet and will do what Trump says. Putin is Trump's puppet now lmfao
sage
Camden James
Sorry, I of course meant Guiado. What an unfortunate typo.
Brody Cooper
And how do actual Venezuelans feel about this? Frankly I don't think they give a shit who does it, I think they just want anyone to overthrow Maduro at this point
Alexander Clark
MONROE O N R O E
DOCTRINE O C T R I N E
Jayden Green
None of the things you alleged him did are warcrimes.
Jose Bennett
It takes him hours to wring the tears out of his mustache.
Hudson Baker
This. All of the Western hemispshere belongs to the US, and Venezuela isn't a real country anyway (just a US vassal), so obviously the 'international law' being talked about doesn't apply here, as it is just the USA disciplining it's own subjects. On the other hand I do also agree that when the situation is reversed the US should stay out; for example when Russia was disciplining it's subjects in Ukraine, the USA did not have a place to intervene.
Parker Long
Why would they want to overthrow him, if the only reason of Venezuela's economical crisis is american and european sanctions? Whole this situation is strong message to all governments around the world - don't trust to eternal anglos to keep your money, they will not return it.
Carson Sanders
Who makes 'international law' anyway?
Chase Myers
>I don't think they give a shit who does it, I think they just want anyone to overthrow Maduro at this point Fuck yes. Are you latino by any chance?
Carter Walker
Perhaps we shouldn't have devoted so much time and treasure to defend Israel and we would be strong enough to make sure our hemisphere went uncontested. Perhaps we shouldn't have turned into a multikulti hell hole that's hell bent on destroying itself.
Evan Morales
>Russia invades Asian and European countries >US not allowed to invade American countries good luck with that.
Brody Williams
>if the only reason of Venezuela's economical crisis is american and european sanctions? Holy shit do you retards really believe this? Couldn't it be for ONCE that socialism just fucks everything up?
Monroe Doctrine, faggots. All of your Central and South America belong to US.
Cooper Harris
Scandinavians countries are basically socialistic, they are okay, just because they side with US on internatinal scene. Stop using labels, it's outdated and only shows that you're brainwashed NPC.
Levi Hughes
it's just a meme, but in this circumstance it doesn't even apply by it's own logic
Asher Jones
I'm sorry, Pedro. It's time to bootstrap your own life though. One day you'll thank us. We have footholds all over their hemisphere though. And why does it matter? Will a nearby foothold in bumfuck Venezuela really threaten our sovereignty somehow? I don't think so, I think it's more likely to backfire on them down the road like Iraq did for us.
Jace Long
There is nothing they can do about it
Kayden Cook
>are basically socialistic Is there a semblance of private property? >they are okay, (X) Doubt
Logan Hill
>Will a nearby foothold in bumfuck Venezuela really threaten our sovereignty somehow?
Well, the main reason that the US maintains influence centers (not to mention the massive Naval force) is to project control over various shipping lanes. Russia having a friendly port so close to the Panama Canal could certainly effect the US's influence on Western Hemisphere shipping
Ian Perez
No. Scandinavia is social democratic, but goes heavy on the capitalism too.
Jose Cooper
Based Russians, protecting Venezualans from bourgeous toilet paper and food.
Nathan Fisher
Panama Canal is an anachronism in the era of supertankers and mega container ships, control of it is mainly to keep 2nd and 3rd worlders from using it to advance their primitive trade levels.
Carter Nelson
No I'm a burger. Even if the CIA is up to their usual shenanigans in Venezuela, all they did was accelerate the problems that were going to eventually happen. Socialism in theory would only work in a chaste system with a no more than a few hundred people since currency wouldn't be needed. But that's more Feudalistic than Socialistic. If its tried in a country with millions of people, of course its going to fail since goods are a finite resource
Austin James
Num num num we drink up all your Venezuelan oil Russian shill.
Another failed commie state.
Putin is going to be BTFO again like when he tried to take over Ukraine.
Jeremiah Rogers
>Be John Bolton >Be traitorous neocon trotskyite >Realize Amerilards don't know that >Work together with other neocons >Help plan 9/11 with the PNAC >Start the war on terror >Kill millions of people >Claim moral superiority over others >Get trillions of tax $ for the military industrial complex >Amerilards still defend you
Matthew Jenkins
>America sanctions your oil production >70% of your economy is based on oil >Amerilards claim 'Yup, 'nother failed socialist state' >I tell ya hwhat
Elliot Abrams is a convicted war criminal who helped kill hundreds of thousands under the Reagan admin, only to be pardoned by H.W Bush. He then went on to help George W. Bush with their failed coup in Venezeula in 2002, after that he helped W. Bush take out Saddam.
This is the man you are defending. Let me guess, Trump only hires le best people.
>don't trust to eternal anglos to keep your money, they will not return it. True! Also don't use western companies when possible. IE don't use MasterCard / visa because one day the USA can just shut them off with a whim. countries will band together to abandon the dollar whenever possible so the US can't just on a whim sanction them
>war criminal That's an oxymoron as war is survival of the fittest. Either way though Venezuela is in their current predicament because of Chavez; the CIA only accelerated Venezuela's inevidible demise
Sebastian Sanchez
>oxymoron By Abrams and the other swamp creatures own logic, they are war criminals, far worse than anything Maduro has ever done.
They're in their predicament because the NWO which is currently based in America wants them to be. You are spouting the Bolton narrative that war is good for America, it isn't good for America, it's good for the globalist institutions which are driving the actual citizens of America into the ground. Crumbling infrastructure, entire states falling apart and yet trotskyite traitors such as Bolton demand more tax dollars for the same machine. If you are an ancap or think America should have a smaller government in any way shape or form then you should be disgusted by the extortion of that much money from the taxpayer. There is no bigger example of big government overreach and bloat in the entire history of planet Earth.
Adrian Reed
>Donald Trump is a russian agent REEEEEEE >Why won't Donald Trump Listen to Putin REEEEEEEE
How quickly the jew pivots in his propaganda.
Angel Price
Putin sending troops to venezuela is telling trump to suck his dick pretty much, trump called for venezeualan military to defect, put up sanctions then they stroll in ignoring Trump 100%
Aaron Gomez
The biggest illegals are the CIA who enter others borders. U.S. government who arms radical muslims like Saudi Arabia.
William Brooks
Bullshit and you know it. They did that all over Latin America for the last 100 years. The world needs a wall from the invaders of the U.S Government.
Levi Rodriguez
I never said war was good, I said war criminals is an oxy moron. Do you think the crew of Enola Gay were considered war criminals, do you think the Japanese that were involved in Pearl Harbor or the Rape of Nanking were war criminals? Do you consider billions of people that lived before our time that pillaged, raped and murdered innocents for their own gain were war criminals? And frankly a US invasion of Vebezuela would be a big waste of time, just like with the Bay of Pogs invasion back in 60s. Bolton and the majority of CIA agents are traitors that deserve death, but you can't blame the current situation in Venezuela solely on them
Adrian Powell
See And the CIA hasn't been around d for 100 years dumbass. The drug wars and cartels that they started were created in the 60s/70s
He is friends with the Saudi Prince and arms them. That is a fact! REEEEEE U.S. makes terrorists while its stupid supporters believe the lies he against terrorists.
>Venezuela’s sovereignty when you have two large powers fighting over you, that tends to show that which is being fought over has absolutely no sovereignty.
Liam Murphy
I agree with you, but I'm using 'war criminal' as the language of them not me to prove a point. For example, 'human rights abuses' is another one of these crooked phrases. Realistically pretty much everywhere has some human rights abuses, and it's a joke that we heard it about Syria meanwhile Saudi Arabia doesn't get touched. Etc etc, it's all just buzzword language designed to manipulate.
Caleb Nelson
No one except the most NPC leftists of all time believed that Russia drivel. I'm not a leftist either. What is being discussed in this thread is real politics, not the trials and tribulations of the worlds foremost banana Republic known as America.
Also, in regards to why this is happening right now. Prepare for war with Iran likely by 2020
Saudi Arabias oil supplys are running very low, you can read they've long surpassed the maximum oil reserves in the Ghawar Field by their own numbers from the 1970s. Couple this with the fact that if war with Iran breaks out then it means the US wants a non ME source of oil because Iran will block the Strait of Hormuz.
Now consider that Venezeula will default on loans to Russia (12billion) and potentially hand them Citgo. Again, bad for Murica if war with Iran happens. China are the wildcard IMO, I don't know how they will act in Venezeula but technically they could throw endless amounts of men into a proxy war with 0 harm to themselves.
Very true. Although even of they are traitorous scum, there are people who view them as heroes. The perception of good and evil differ from individual to individual.
Tyler Sullivan
bump
Carson Collins
Not our problem. It will be a good character builder for them to rise up and overthrow their oppressors.
Christian Campbell
sanctions are in individuals not oil, no one wants the oil cause its shit and they fucked over the bit oil companies by stealing billions in equipment.
Zachary Garcia
any proof that trump is gonna militarily attack venzuela?
or are these the same faggots who for the last 2 years said that trump is gonna attack north korea and iran any day now.......
We elected Trump to keep us out of other nations affairs, not start any more wars, and bring our troops home. Venezuela has to fix itself.
Jeremiah Anderson
what's he gonna do
Hunter Bailey
whine and posture and get his little RT reading western disinfo minions to portray him as an actual global power
Isaac Rodriguez
Low energy troll that can't lie properly. Needs to project theories cause reality is too difficult to understand. Sad.
Jackson Ramirez
user, we are sorry, but we didn't vote for Trump to get us involved in more fucking wars that DON"T CONCERN US. Venezuela didn't rise up when Oscar Perez stepped up. Now he is dead and you guys are fucked. They sell AR15s in Miami.
Jose Long
So what you're saying is Democracy is a lie and doesn't work.
Jordan Martin
Didn't he cuck you in Syria though, and prevented you from turning Syria into a Libya 2.0? Maybe you should take him seriously.
Anyway, this isn't WW3 we're talking about. Venezeula will become a South American version of Syria, a proxy war involving the US, China and Russia. China can throw as many men as it wants into Venezeula with nothing to lose and the Chinese side with Maduro.
William Morgan
You're talking about the same Syria where the US backed terrorist group ISIS got destroyed by Russia and then did major damage control saying 'I-ISIS WAS DEFEATED BY US'?
Austin Torres
based putin preventing ww3
Samuel Wood
To be fair, that simulation only considers that China and Russia would both attack the US. Reality is Putin would sooner let the US and China destroy one another and sweep in and finish off the victor, or he would use it to invade Crimera for his natural clay without having to fear retaliation from NATO or the US
Ayden Peterson
>implying russian red lines mean jack shit remember their epic retaliation when America bombed syria? Or when they killed 300 russian mercenaries? If you haven't noticed by now, Putins an absolute good goy just playing a part for optics
Screw Venezuela and the rest of Latin America. They want socialism, that’s their choice. We need to be spending our time, money and effort BUILDING THE WALL so that when they collapse all the third world refugees won’t be our problem. We can’t just go around fixing broken nations, it’s not our responsibility plus it just doesn’t work... couldn’t do it in Vietnam, couldn’t do it in Iraq, and Venezuela would be no different.
Tldr let them rot and build the wall
Angel Richardson
The only reason America ever fucks with anyone is because they want to ensure that the country maintains a central reserve Jew banking scheme. If the nation has oil they'll also install a regime that promises to keep the US currency as the petro dollar trade currency. It's all Jew shit.
putin is a literlal manlet and won't do shit to the US, he has lost all support in his own country, and his days are fucking numbered. some drunk russian psycho will kill him before 2020 screenshot this
Levi Long
I'm ashamed of you. We have mostly economical reasons for defending (and indebting further) Maduro, but don't spew this bullshit. But were there any red lines though? mercenaries are just mercenaries for a reason. I remember this shit, later they updated the pic with an "actual" photo, but it was too late and no one cared. Not true though, people actually started to forget about pension reform (well, not really "reform"), so his rating is recovering.
Just watch abrams questioning to the whole situation about who is president. Look at the whole history too. Abram was very defensive when ilhan omar questioned him about said history.
