Ancap/Libertarian thread, for all the people on this board who like freedom and don't rely on retarded pre-40s Darwinist psuedo-science to back up their arguments.
>Real libertarians believe that liberty is for everyone, no matter how "degenerate" >Social degeneracy is a subjective concept that has no scientific basis >The actions of two consenting adults behind closed doors is none of your business >What another person puts into/does to/does with their body is none of your business >The hobbies, interests and career choices of another human being are none of your business >How much money one has is none of your business >What they do with said money is none of your business >Acknowledge the NAP in its full capacity; simply leave others alone, but if they attack you, retaliate twice as hard >Legalize all drugs on every level; crime will drop and natural selection will take its toll >Capitalism is the natural state of humanity, and the government should have no place in the free market >If you are racist, homophobic or bigoted in any capacity that makes you hostile toward any minority group, you are not a real libertarian >Freedom is for everyone. Liberty is forever. Death to all tyrants.
Let's see how long we can make this last before the NatSocs show up and ruin everything
Freedom of speech must be respected we shouldn't go the sjw neo marxist path
Christopher Morales
Freedom of speech =/= freedom from responsibility Call someone a nigger all you want, but don't be surprised if they call you something right back or possibly even violate the NAP--which you technically violated in the first place by insulting them.
Gabriel Clark
Nothing is voluntary in capitalist society. Ancap is just kikery on steroids.
Eli Lee
Incorrect. Everything should be voluntary in an ancap society, and your "hurr durr joos" memery does literally nothing to combat my point
Camden Ortiz
I used to be an Ancap. It's a great theory and I enjoyed making arguments in favor of it, mostly on the economics side of things. Economically, there is much to learn from it. Socially, nothing of value. It ignores the realities of people, and how easily they are led astray. It is necessary to guide people, for they don't know any better. Observe reality long enough, and you'll come to this conclusion. I'd still take an ancap world over these half assed statist democracies we have now, just because it would be fucking hilarious and so many people would die violating the NAP, including shitskins. However, if one countries does it and none of the others, it will fail. It could never work in America. No other nation would allow America to fall into that position. It's literally impossible unless there was a nuclear war.
Unfortunately you have a point. The world we live in is too thoroughly fucked to allow for an AnCap society, but that doesn't mean it can't happen some day in the future, perhaps even after we're all dead and gone. All societies fall eventually, just as Rome fell, the USSR fell and America will one day fall. We can only hope that when a nation falls--it doesn't have to be America--an AnCap nation will rise from the ashes and we'll see whether or not it can actually work. That violates the NAP, and as a result, that's when you start shooting. Ancapistan is no place for tyrants.
Alexander Collins
Also >socially, nothing of value That's because the social side of things is completely irrelevant and everyone should be left to their own devices. It's none of anyone's business what people do
Justin Thompson
Libertarian values are sadly only viable in homogenous, well educated societies. Anarcho-capitalism is LARP faggotry and, like communism, depends heavily on the idealization of human behaviour as not greedy, naturally proactive and altruistic. >system depends on believing that people won't abuse their economic power over others, won't try to snowball themselves into overpowering everyone else and becoming the government once they get some kind of upper hand >thinks that everyone would actually have enough awareness to realize someone is on the way to becoming a tyrant and rise up against them every single time, instead of just giving no shits because doing something about it is too much of a hassle. >idealizes people to the point that doesn't consider that 95% of the people are easily manipulated cattle Sure thing, mate. Ancapism is as cancerous as communism.
Chase Ramirez
But it’s a private business user, how can you force them to provide you services? Should I also shoot the cake baker who doesn’t bake me a gay rectum cake?
Oliver Parker
Then we create a nation of sensible, educated people. The people of America are only sheep because of government propaganda and a false sense of security, no one is destined to be stupid and helpless. People can learn--I was once a statist as well. Are you legitimately retarded? That has nothing to do with anything I said. Private businesses reserve the right to deny you service for any reason. If they do, you simply go to a different business. Refusal of service is not a violation of the NAP, but if a business refuses someone service they're only hurting themselves and will deal with consequences from society, including decreases in business
Justin Peterson
>NAP
Kys, rebbe.
Kevin Foster
>morals are subjective >NAP ???
Joseph Ramirez
Dude can you keep your argument straight? I quote > That violates the NAP, and as a result, that's when you start shooting. I was talking about private businesses You are a 12 year old lolbertarian who just read the fountainhead and thinks he is smarter than 90% of the population. Get a grip
Christopher Cruz
>no one is destined to be stupid Kek. Come on now. Also, while I agree with you on some points, there's never been a free market. America is especially a hub of crony capitalism. Regulation is a check and balance.
Julian Martin
You're misinterpreting on purpose.
Rape = Bad because it victimizes another person and is not voluntary Two gay men having consensual sex = Not bad because it's consensual and voluntary and no one is being harmed
The NAP is objective and clear, your ideas of what's "degenerate" are subjective I think we got mixed up somewhere, what exactly were you talking about? You act like America is the only country in the world that could ever be AnCap
Lincoln Price
But what if my choice is to live in a state with government, national policies and laws for all citizens? Would you mind my business then?
Blake Nelson
Race realism as it relates to intelligence is the most replicated finding in social science; more empirically valid than most economic ideas libertarians take to be immutable laws of the market.
William Green
What happens when a handful of mega corporations take over all the freshwater reserves of the planet and they charge you $1000 for a bottle and there is nothing you can do about it that won't violate the NAP? You ANCAPs are all literally Jews and literally mentally ill. No surprise there.
Jaxon Gomez
I wouldn't mind your business because you'd be voluntarily living in an ancap society; you have every right to believe what you want. Show me literally any proof that there's any correlation between ethnicity and intelligence This is why I prefer minarchy to anarchy. There needs to be a small, limited government held in check by the people to ensure that everyone's natural rights do not become infringed and that things don't get to that point. Also, your example would be literal tyranny which is a violation of the NAP >hurr durr da joos
Dylan Morgan
> Everything should be voluntary in an ancap society
but its not, how is having you life be dictated by external forces of the market voluntary? What I mean by kikery is exactly what it is you just want to be free to do what ever you like with no repercussions or regard for people, there is no concern for humanity or human values.
Nicholas Cooper
Anarcho-capitalism is essentially only a thought experiment because 1. Mafias (aka states) are profitable 2. It exists in a state of granted liberty rather than liberty that is produced from the culture and structure of the society.
Ancap social and legal norms pop up in large imperial systems where policing and taxing the area isn't profitable.
Liberty as we know it (free expression, trial/judicial rights, private ownership of weapons, property rights) can only be maintained by a population with an interest and will to maintain them which requires a population of moral, conscientious people with the will and ability to defend their property.
You don't understand. In an ancap society the market doesn't control the people, it simply serves the people. You have a choice as to whether or not you want to buy anything and you have a choice in where you buy it from. And yes, you can do whatever you want but nothing i without consequence.
Ryan Ortiz
they know how economics works but not culture. their NAP just means they slowly get replaced until they are an island in a shit ocean of degeneracy and culture that disagrees with them. "leaving people to their own devices" just means ignoring a shifting culture that is replacing them because it's easy and muh NAP. libertarianism is just boomer american retarded live at let live culture. it's dying out and they don't even see it let alone know how to deal with it. just wait 50 years when theres less than 20% gun ownership in america and see how far a 1776 attitude will get you.
I didn't act like that. I offered an example. Crony capitalism is not a unique quality of the US. And way to sidestep both that and the fact that many people are stupid. Often pridefully, aggressively stupid.
Michael Davis
lolbergtarianism is a code word for anarcho-Judaism
>Ancap >not relying upon retarded psuedo-science Pick one and only one. Your kike fantasy crumbles with a simple argument that none of you have ever been able to refute, pic related
>if women are the better sex at running things why do men run things >if socialism is better than capitalism than why does it always fail >if government is bad and inefficient why do always hav--- SHUT UP BOOTLICKER.
Kayden Fisher
half breed orc looking cuck babies are fine because nobody is forcing you to have a half breed cuck baby who is 13% yet commits 50%
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You didn't fully answer my question, also the market is an abstract concept made up by kikes to allow and justify their kikery, and no you don't have a choice you need to work to survive and in ancapistan water and food would probably cost a fortune since thats what some greedy kike decided they think its worth lol, what a depressing shit hole, social relations would be reduced to mere business transactions, no art, no culture would exist but thats what pathetic excuse of a human being like you would want that right since you view everything in life as some darwinian competition and oneupmanship.
>>If you are racist, homophobic or bigoted in any capacity that makes you hostile toward any minority group, you are not a real libertarian This is retarded. Being hostile towards people who actively want to destroy you is not bigotry, it's self defence. Being hostile towards members of a group who is statistically orders of magnitude more likely to stab you is not bigotry, it's threat awareness.
I recognize and respect my countrymen's right to do whatever the fuck they want; I do not respect the right of foreign invaders to fuck up my country and turn it into a shithole.
Brandon Wood
>What they do with said money is none of your business Yeah, go pollute the air, poison the water, and annihilate entire species >Legalize all drugs on every level; crime will drop and natural selection will take its toll Forget all the obviously nasty drugs (cocaine, meth etc.) and let's think about other dangers related to this. Currently, the opioid epidemic is ravaging North America. cfr.org/backgrounder/us-opioid-epidemic The victims of this are not just some dumb niggers who do that shit for fun. It's a public health crisis that's caused by a variety of factors, including aggressive advertising by private entities to promote opioid use and the use of fentanyl in street sales. "dude just let natural selection do its thing" is incredibly stupid. We need well thought out government regulations to make sure that the drugs available for purchase are relatively safe. > Capitalism is the natural state of humanity First of all, appeals to nature make for weak arguments. Dying of polio is natural. Maybe having people die from polio if they can't afford McVaccines is what Libertarians want but no one else does. Second, capitalism is a recent invention. For most of human existence, people were hunter gatherers or primitive farmers who lived in tribes with social relations that were not based on private property and trade as we conceive of it today. After that, people shifted into city-based societies where a small minority of citizens banded together to control their slaves. We also had feudal societies who were rural rather than urban. None of these were capitalist.
That aside, what is the Libertarian stance on unions?
