To people from EU:
Would you be in favour of creating United States of Europe if it was pro-white and not leftist hellhole like right now?
Would you give up:
>language
>history
>nationalism
>territory
>power
>all things that create a country
For creating completely new identity?
I'm actually curious if you hate this idea no matter what or you would give in if it was led lets say like China (the way it deals with other races/leftist ideology not human rights part) so pro-white.
you can't enter the same river twice
Europe 2020
No.
No because barely anyone will drop their identities and in the end it'll all serve to germans and french. There is natural need for continuity, even amerimutts reach to their 1/Xth Irish/German/Italian or other nigger to maintain some sort of psychological continuity of who they are. Back when america was more the same it seems it wasn't such big problem, but now when 'american' label is slapped onto everything, racial tensions skyrocket etc being american loses lot of the worth. Compared to them we don't even speak the same languages in europe and have much more history to have grudges over so it would never work.
No but working together is still vital. China, Russia and US are absolutely seething when EU stands together.
Just see how angry Trump got as EU didnt recognize Israel in Golan
>Would you give up:
>language
>history
>nationalism
>territory
>power
>all things that create a country
Yes, to all.
>For creating completely new identity?
If it were working like the US with Trump at the helm and have a wall, yes. If it works like the EU, hell no.
if we kill all communist in the process of creation yes
Oh you're working together alright. Simultaneously committing suicide in front of the whole world in less than a decade. Nice teamwork you got there
>>language
absolutely not
>>history
absolutely not
summary: absolutely not!
Fuck off EU, we're full.
nobody fucking cares dude about that this days anymore, I am more scared of communists taking over our lifes now that what happened with my ancestors 1000 years ago.
SOOPERPOWER
they are in the process of destroying history to achive their trotskist goals, its linked, mexico-spain diplomatic conflict its just one of them
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>language
no
>history
no
But, if it's a completely new Identity and and new language then maybe, because everyone kind of loses. I doubt we'd be able to create a brand new language though
Europeans can only be ruled by europeans and not "yurop"
Trying the lattter leads to chaos.
>Bosnia Herzegovina Montenegro
whoever made this deserves 20000 simultaneous hells, and they shall receive just that
saged and kys
yes.
it's called the 4th Reich.
Way to many states.
Just give us benelux, western poland, austria-hungary and the scandinavian nations.
It's the best the EU has to offer and would dominate the world in no time.
The others can rejoin once they get their finances in order.
Jezuz, what a fucking shitshow this is.
FUCK EUROPE!"!!!!
Thought about it recently and it sems to be moving in that direction as it is no doubt the end goal for the powers that be.
I don't mind as long as the "states" of this united europe would get to keep the essece of their culture.
Living in a smal town in Sweden I've noticed a marcant increse of blacks/arabs on the streets these past years and it's disheartening.
Swedish culture today is very distant, seems that everyone's walking on egg shells not wanting to bother or be bothered by others and we only have ourselves to blame.
So I'm not sure what would remain at this rate...
Not to sound like a commie but I belive we need some solidarity, not just in the attitude online but in a real tangable way.
Most people never talk to the people they live in the same apartment buildning as.
More to the point.
I belive a united europe would grant sertain economical benefits if we keep out or put an end to economically retarded countries like Greece and their ilk.
But the current governing format of the EU is quite predatory.
There's a shit ton of laws that are made to smoth things out between countries but they aren't presented in a clear way.
The masses don't have propper education on how the EU functions or what it's limits are it's just this nebulous ruling power with a seemingly (slightly*) hostile affiliation.
Du armseliger Schwachkopf.
Europe is a big fat mess.
A big fate mistake
>Would you be in favour of creating United States of Europe if it was pro-white and not leftist hellhole like right now?
Yes
>Would you give up:
>language
>history
>nationalism
>territory
>power
>all things that create a country
no fuck off if that's the price to pay
rare
why give away something that is slowly being taken away anyway ?? Do you like the results polanon ?
>die sprache aufgeben
deutsch ist die meistgesprochene muttersprache in europa
>Scotland gets to be Scotland
>England becomes Anglia
Also
>All those Polands
>seems that everyone's walking on egg shells not wanting to bother or be bothered by others
this is my world. i suggest you fight it to death.
>EU is quite predatory.
aren't they ran by Germans?
what the fuck kind of commies where your ancestors living with
Giving up your identity will lead to Islam ruled country. People need transcendence, something to anchor to. Europe can't give you that, it's too diverse, although you can identify as a med, slav, celt, etc.
FUCK OFF
SERBIA IS NOT EUROPEAN
nice flag based farobro
I was originally in favor of the EU. For some reason I had convinced myself that it could be a distant power to supplant the European nation-state and allow the regional identities these states had suppressed to reemerge. Like the old empires -- just secure the peace, extract money and let people be.
But those enlightened days are gone and it turned out the EU's only interest in cracking the nation state was to get at the juicy business of micromanaging its citizens directly. And its only interest in regional identity was in bringing in Barbarian tribes to crush it. So it would be hard to trust another European project based on "creating a completely new identity" rather than one based on restoring it.
If you abandon all those things, then infiltration of 3rd party is inevitable, refer to US. Given that it doesn't, then I suppose yes, as it might be the only way europeans to survive.
I would go to war to stop this from happening. We already have enough of EU cuckoldry.
No i wouldn't give any of it up if i had a choice
Europe has always been multi-cultural, show me another place on earth with a similar density of differentiated genetics, linguistics, culture and way of life.
I'll wait
India
>United States: Literally a union of different states forming a republic.
>United States of Europe: Literally a communist and centrally dominated Europe.
Why do you call it United States of Europe and not European Union of Soviet Socialist Republics?
no
fuck off
I would be ready to accept a Federal Union if this new country was a true European country and not just a territoiry that belong to everyone.
Absolutely not. People are defined by kinship first and foremost and there is no fucking way you can just erase that short of genocide.
Yeah - and lets make KIKES our uneelected leaders of this EU, and only use KIKE printed money. Paid at interest of course
No fuck that
A nationalist pact of economic and military co-operation of ethnically European nations.
-limit non-europeans
-rebuild european culture and infastructure
-distance from globalist U.S. driven agenda
-distance from NATO
-focus on protecting herititary land and blood.
-re-education
-punish racemixing
-support european families
-isolationalist (to some limited extent)
Regionalized government sucks. If you hate a policy that happens in District 1, you can only vote out District 1's rep. You have no control over what District Reps 2-12 do. So it gets kike freemason agenda controlled. Your area is at the mercy of the rest of the collective states
>Would you be in favour of creating United States of Europe if it was pro-white and not leftist hellhole like right now?
Yes.
>Would you give up:
>language
For english? Yes.
>history
No need for that, retard.
>nationalism
If the nation actually protects me and it's pro native population? Sure.
>territory
See above.
>power
See above
>all things that create a country
See above. By the way, what's left? We already don't have nation money..
>language
>history
>nationalism
>territory
>power
>all things that create a country
This is what makes us who we are. Erasing it for a "white" state would be (almost) as bad as erasing it with importing niggers into each country.
So NO. Better to keep our own values, while managing our fucking borders as a country should.
NO - because standardized regionalized regulations could really FUCK us and FUCK the human race as a whole. At least if a nation is misled and vaccinates their kids with fetal tissue autoimmune disease, it can die out on its own without affecting the rest of the human race. There's strength in diversity. Not in enforced uniformity
>For creating completely new identity?
No, the new identity meme was only meant to apply here.
Giving up your identity for a new one would be nearly impossible in Europe as you have individual ethnic nations with their own unique heritage.
I'm always amazed how most europhiles delude themselves into thinking that increasingly tighter integration will somehow regress people towards a common mean of universally shared morals and values, instead of emphasizing all the subtle differences and fueling the desire for sovereignty.
no, it's a disgusting globo homo idea
THIS!
Not This
Should also work on reducing the NEED for imports.
>Would you be in favour of creating United States of Europe if it was pro-white and not leftist hellhole like right now?
I wouldn't be against it. I'm not against a politically united Europe.
>Would you give up:
>language
I suppose. Although each of the states could have their own little "heritage language" to run alongside the lingua franca of the union (English, most likely).
>history
It would likely be portrayed the same way German or Italian unifications are.
>nationalism
It would be replaced by Euro-nationalism.
>territory
It wouldn't feel much different from today's Schengen Area. I do like some of the new borders on that map but others need some serious reworking, most notably Switzerland, Bosnia, Corsica. Also if this were serious you would have to leave the Baltics independent and Finland too, after granting her access to the Arctic Ocean. Reason being two great powers (in this case USE and Russia) don't share borders unless they plan to war each other.
>power
The power such a union would have on the world stage (which directly correlated to how much freedom you can have at home) would overshadow today's EU, let alone a single euro country.
Seriously though, the future that awaits the European countries are as follow:
>federal union of some sort
>switzerland-tier armed neutrality *
>satellites of the next big superpower
That's the unfortunate reality of it. Might makes right, today like 1000 years ago, and might comes from the people: having a larger population means more workers, more engineers, more scientists, more executives, more soldiers, more everything. And that translates to a bigger economy in times of peace, and a bigger war machine in times of conflicts. China is a threat not because chinks are particularly bright but because there's just so fucking many of them.
* some conditions may apply (ie favorable geography, being irrelevant, etc) there's a reason Belgium was invaded in WW1 despite its declared neutrality.
I like this idea. New Pax Romana with Latin language.
Fuck off nigger.
Didn't you see the map? This strengthens regional identities, but inside the greater European project.
No, it's bound to fail just like america did.
Didn't you see the map? I actually strengthens regional identities but inside greater European project. How Welsh, English and Scots maintain their separate identities but also feel British? Same here, and all other regions but maintain European identity too.
Yes, I've been in favor of this for a while. It's the only possible way Europe could compete with the US, Russia and China as a true global power. It will be easier to detain and deport migrants and raise our birthrates with a centrally coordinated effort, and easier to govern without the pretense of liberal democracy. We wouldn't have to make apologies for extracting resources from this country, or that country. We could take what we wanted, and the third world be damned.
On the other hand, if we try to unite Europe with liberal democracy and the popular will, it will be torn apart by populism. If we continue to pillage resources through arming rebel groups, it will become increasingly difficult due to immigrants from those countries protesting and rioting. Wouldn't it be easier to do away with the myth of liberal democracy and the popular will, and adopt a might makes right attitude to geopolitics? Wouldn't it make it easier to justify censorship to protect the interests of the state, and thus crack down on whistle blowers? Not that most people would care in such a society, they'd probably agree that whistle blowers are traitors and should be punished.
Really, our elite are making things more difficult than they have to be. Europe a Nation is better for whites and for the elite. The sooner they realize this, the better.
Fuck no. Being pro-white is great and all, but why would I ever give up heritage, history, language, tradition, not to mention ethnicity for it? Besides, such a place already exists in America. I'd prefer retaining my own culture over becoming a "melting pot" of other European cultures. Not because I have a problem with other European people, quite the contrary, I like them, and I'd prefer the unique and distinct European cultures be preserved.
I'd prefer a European Confederation honestly. But if this Federated Europe of yours wasn't a pseudo-marxist regime that seemingly hates its members, but a genuine and organic entity that espoused the Right values then yes, I'd give it a go.
Oh yeah, and turning northern scandinavia into "lapland" because of a handful of reindeer niggers that flooded in during the 1500's makes no sense if you're also going to keep a russian fucking settlement in the baltic, and keep the finnish coasts as finnish instead of nordic, whilst also allowing russia to retain viborg. Read a history book, nigger.
>Would you be in favour of creating United States of Europe if it was pro-white and not leftist hellhole like right now?
No.
>Would you give up:
>language
No.
>history
No.
>nationalism
No.
>>territory
No.
>power
No.
>all things that create a country
No.
>For creating completely new identity?
No.
Only good time with soviet was Stalin era. It shows that there is no tradition of democracy in europe. Maybe except britain.
So yes, I could learn russia and give up history and do all lame things. But nor weak or german leader, I would not allow. I can do a lot for victory, but for losers, I don't give up anything.
Germany needs to split again and put under foreign rule. They are evil.
No, Spain is Spain
As long as everyone else adopts Dutch language, and norms as their own then I do not mind the United States of Europe.
To simplify my ideas, as long as the rest of Europe becomes like the Netherlands in all forms then I do not mind the USE.
It's already been tried, It's called America.
How about this
"spain" is just a word.
Spain is the union of all the iberian tribes
>give up your entire identity to gain ???
Of course not.
Wouldn't that be Hispania? Or Iberia?
Spain is Visigothic (Germanic)
nothing but masturbatory shit
What would you think about United Anglosphere?
I mean, did you see the OP?
This is circle jerk thread
Hispania is Spain in latin and Iberia is the name of the peninsula
I'd quite like it, its honestly a fucking shame that the idea of reorganising the British Empire into the Imperial Federation never took off
It just seems that the UK has more in common with Canada/Australia/New Zealand than the rest of Europe. (I'm sorry if that's an insult)
no, because it'd just become shit again, eventually
europeans should be allies, and respect each other, but that also means respecting each other's sovereignty, which seems too hard a concept to grasp for some
No. Brexit means Brexit
>the g*rman thinks it's iberian
anyone urging to be ruled by corrupt non-accountable overlords living large in Brussels should be charged with treason and hanged.
Fuck the EU! Love Europe!
I'd say we did and still do to a certain extent, considering they were all dominions and commonwealths within the Empire. I'd also say that both Canada and Australia have to certain extent been Americanised even more than we have though
>Would you be in favour of creating United States of Europe if it was pro-white and not leftist hellhole like right now?
No
Would you give up:
>language
no
>history
no
>nationalism
no
>territory
no
>power
no
>all things that create a country
no
Fuck Article 11, Fuck Article 13, Fuck the UN Migration Pact, Fuck Turkey joining, Fuck an EU Army, and fuck you, Macron. Get fucked.
Spain might have meant that in the past. Now, it's just a countries name, nothing else.
t. Iberian who doesn't live in Spain.
>To people from EU. Would you be in favour of creating United States of Europe if it was pro-white and not leftist hellhole like right now?
Definitely. The problem is that, as soon as it becomes a leftist mess, importing even more rapefugees and imposing (((values))) on its states, you have no way to properly fight back anymore.
So... in the end, no. Fuck the EU, Hail Europe!