Do women really group men into 'lover' and 'provider' roles?
If you get in a relationship with a woman, does that mean she's sees you as a steady, stable, reliable type of guy but not the kind of guy she'd want to have tear her clothes off and ravish her?
Maybe I've been reading too much incel stuff but I kinda find it humiliating being put in the provider category while my partner sees some chad and dreams of no-strings sex with him.
you know that women aren't a single hivemind right?
these girls in the pic look like the type that enjoys clubbing and drinking. "having fun" as they see it maybe. maybe these types of girls like to experience with different men because they enjoy it. if it hurts your feelings to be with someone like that, simply find a different girl with other interests, one who actually likes you and values your feelings. and there are a lot of different girls.
if you don't want that, you can date girls like you described, but then you can't complain because you chose it.
Personally I’d fuck the living hell out of a responsible adult. The idea of having sex with someone I hardly know, ESPECIALLY if they are very attractive, is unnerving at best. I can’t speak for every female of course, but I do know that most of my gal pals™ agree that loving and feeling security towards the dick you’re riding makes it just a little more magical, even if that dick isn’t a solid 12 inches attached to a chiseled and rugged chad. Good luck out there my friend.
No. The overwhelming majority of women don't do that consciously.
It‘s the same as you seeing a beautiful, intelligent girl with good values as a potential partner to actually build e future together whilst that big tittie thot interests you on a more primal level, aka your dick wanting to pump into that.
The one thing that inceldom has gotten wrong is the categories. They are actually 3.
>no interest in breeding or building future with
>interest in breeding (this is on the same low level as the wish to pump the thot. It‘s not exactly a noble interest and this category has definitely become a lot more frequented since the rise of reliable bc. Because now girls can relatively safely indulge in their primal sexual desires without it having serious consequences like having to be pregnant/give birth and raise a kid. Ofc i‘m aware that that can and is still happening, but we‘re talking broader than cherry picked cases.)
>interested in building future with and having kids (note that wanting to have kids with someone is a whole different level than wanting to get fucked by them. The guys girls with questionable morals want to get fucked from are the ones triggering ancient survival strategies aka big, muscular, assertive. In today‘s world, your man doesn‘t need to be physically strong to be able to help you build a desirable future to raise kids. A stable career is a much better indicator. However, ofc it would be very nice to have the best of both worlds. A handsome hunk who thrives in the modern world. Just like guys wouldn‘t say no to a fertile young girl with firm milkers and a juicy ass that also displays great values and can hold a complex conversation whilst being able of independent thinking. We all want our cake and eat it too. Stop feeling like humans are evil for wanting that.)
You need to get off those Incel boards considering your using verbage like "Chad." There are over 7 BILLION people on this planet you gonna find someone. And get this... 3.5 of those people are probably women... Who very in thoughts and feeling just as widely as man. I know, shocker
>whilst that big tittie thot interests you on a more primal level
She doesn't though.
So you don't watch porn?
Almost all guys masturbate to these girls who have had sex with hundreds of men, but of course most guys wouldn't want to date a girl that's had even a little too many partners
Then more power to you. You‘d be the huge exception and you really can‘t talk about broad gender tendencies and then bring your own cherry picked situation to the discussion.
Besides, that was a caricature. Maybe „your thing“ are frail asian girls with pale baby feet. What do we know.
Not really, no.
If your priorities and values are so solid, how come you fell prey to incel theories? Something‘s not adding up here my friend.
>If you get in a relationship with a woman, does that mean she's sees you as a steady, stable, reliable type of guy but not the kind of guy she'd want to have tear her clothes off and ravish her?
This is our reality, indeed. For further information I'd say read The Rational Male by Rollo Tomassi if you haven't so far. Also do not listen to because women often say things and do the opposite. Even if that poster is speaking the truth, it's a rare case.
> how come you fell prey to incel theories?
I'm not OP, my bad.
That explains it, yes. Now you can rest easy, knowing you‘re a special snowflake. Congrats.
The girls in that pic are British “slag” types. These women have no thought process at all when it comes to choosing partners and would gladly get pumped by a troll if she was drunk enough.
Nothing special about it.
Yep.
They internalize it as "love" though so they don't have to feel bad.
Isn't this the opposite of what OP is suggesting?
>Maybe I've been reading too much incel stuff
I think you have. The moment you start thinking like a robot and allow yourself to exclusively process the world in blanket statements is the moment you need to toss your computer in a river and come back down to earth.
No. She has "no feelings" for hot guys she just wants to bang, but with nice supportive guys she "loves him too much" to have sex. Because he's a provider type guy, not a lover type guy.
The fact that there are 3.5 billion women isn't really an argument. It's not like I'm gonna meet them all.
>The fact that there are 3.5 billion women isn't really an argument.
The fact that there are 3.5 billion women is 100% an argument that your blanket statements are retarded and inaccurate.
>Maybe I've been reading too much incel stuff
Stop shooting yourself in the foot. Falling for incel shit does weed out the retards out of the dating pool due to how glaringly obvious their sexism is, so that's good.
You're not gonna listen to me and call me a whore but as soon as I want to fuck a guy it means I'm attracted to his mind aka infatuated aka in love. But I'm not Stacy.
t.Stacy
It's crazy that anyone can deny the importance of height when it's the first thing every guy who is at least 6 feet tall puts in any dating profile. Front and center, the entire first line he wants every woman to know is that he's 6'6. Before any detail of his personality or lifestyle or anything else, women must know he is 6'6.
Because it fucking works.
Its going to really suck when you wake up one day, you're 45 and you suddenly realize you've wasted your entire life believing in a made up meme on the internet.
It's my first post in this thread.
You really think Stacy and not a 4/10 would hang out on Jow Forums?
Let me correct; The fact that there are 3.5 billion women is 100% an argument that *OP's" blanket statements are retarded and inaccurate.
Jesus Christ you are so fucking boring
It‘s crazy that guys think you can compare thots to respectable women.
It‘s crazy that guys think there are any decent females on dating apps.
It‘s crazy how they completely fail to notice this on their own.
Hello fellow 4/10, how are the boards today?
Men do dream of having sex with porn starts, models too you know. Hell once a man starts to accumulate wealth it becomes a whole new ball game. Money/status does really change a lot. And no i am not talking about ladies settling down at 30..
>It's crazy that anyone can deny the importance of height
It's only relevant because he has a very attractive face.
Height is the icing on the cake of a goodlooking guy, if you're tall and ugly then it doesn't mean shit.
I can guarantee that guy is getting next to no girls. Stop reading incel stuff. He's not good looking at all, and he is as insecure as you for putting height first. He will mainly attract gay men or closeted incels like you.
>Because it fucking works.
Lol no. It's been proven over and over again the men with most success are 5'8" to 5'10".
His face is ugly, wtf are you talking about? Deformed horseface.
Are you insane? The guy looks like a typical male model.
Good, the chans make me wiser and teach me to stay away from men until I can reasonably assume they aren't mgtow types. Some people here are cool tho. How's dating going for you? I'm trying to accept that I may be 4/10 but I still have a good heart and can live life without being hot.
It's because guys only care about how women look, and really attractive women tend to be thots. You think there'd be nearly as many TFWNOGFs if they settled for anything less than a "big tiddy goth gf"? Of course they want to bang thots, that's why they hate them so much
Hint: male models are nearly always gay. They are meant to attract men, not girls.
That guy looks like Jaws with slightly better teeth. If you think he's good looking then you're a weirdo masochist.
Show me a pic of a guy you think is good-looking then.
>Maybe I've been reading too much incel stuff
You think?
Such a cope.
Most of the top male models are straight.
Why would having a good bone structure have anything to do with your sexual orientation?
how psychotic do you have to be to use tinder as a foundation for a thesis on women
I am surprised when anons say stuff like "oh i thought you would be one of those racist types" or "oh i am glad you arent mgtow or red pill". Weird shit..
Dating? Yeah i am out of luck in that. Tried to get into dating a bit too late in life, and being a short dude doesnt help. But hey i am "nice" and "cute" apparently by some girls, however not sure if they are compliments..
I mean, there's a stereotype for a reason, look at the posters above. Jow Forums has a lot of actual misogynists.
I myself am very tall and love short dudes, so don't let it get you down. Only shallow venues like tinder and maybe bars are height focused, and to be a cliché: if they're worth it they won't mind.
Women don't group men into these roles, men do. Long before we meet them they become one or the other and present that to us and we unfortunately have to choose. Why can't men be both or at least try?
This.
The mentality and expectation to be grouped is what ruins it. They believe tinder is an accurate depiction.
> maybe I’ve been reading too much incel stuff
> posting for advice on Jow Forums
What was your first fuckin clue?
Women care about confidence and humor. Everything else is negotiable as long as you aren't deformed-level of ugly or obese.
Short guys get women if they can make them laugh.
The problem is that humor is hard to learn and trying too hard to be funny is extremely repulsive so you will fail a lot when youre learning humor
>The problem is that humor is hard to learn and trying too hard to be funny is extremely repulsive so you will fail a lot when youre learning humor.
Ohhhh man nta but I've even been called out irl for trying to be funny, and it's so embarrassing. I'm working on saying funny things because I want to and not to make people laugh... That's insecurity.
Please add someone people respect. You have all three and a woman will love you till death.
Yeah thanks, i actually try to not let it get me down. Just feels awkward a bit sometimes thats all. I know it all ends in demeanor and attitude, just a tad inroverted with people i dont know.
Oh i am quite funny with my friends and confident in what i know. But when it is new people i prefer to take my time and know people first, and it doesnt look like that attitude isnt very attractive.
You've got it the wrong way round.
Women find attractive guys funny, not women find funny guys attractive.
And what makes a guy attractive? You definitely sound like an expert on women and not a basement-dwelling incel. Have you fucked over 100 or over 200 girls?
>Have you fucked over 100 or over 200 girls
You're not gonna believe me buy yes, because I'm old(ish) and I used to be into PUA bullshit, until I realized why I was having success and my uglier PUA friends weren't.
Looks, frame, height, confidence, vibe.
you're wrong. are some attractive guys funny, of course but being funny takes a degree of self deprecation in the humor. Some attractive guys are unwilling to do that
Attractiveness is a combination of things. For most women nonphysical things are more important.
Yeah I'm not saying they're actually funny it's just women will laugh at any retarded thing that comes out of their mouth.
Have you seen this in real life or are you just repeating Jow Forums memes?
Guess once.
Have you never had a girl attracted to you before?
You can say the most inane shit and they will laugh their ass off.
Meant for you.
Not the guy you areI think maybe twice in my entire life
Oh shit, hit sent by accident. Anyway, maybe twice in my life i guess girls were attracted to me? And i am closing to 30..
Isn't it strange that you accuse a person for being boring just because he doesn't have a flaw for you to pick upon?
I have had many girls attracted to me and they laugh because I am actually funny.
Maybe they are funny but you just don't understand their jokes.
This, you know most of being funny is in delivery? You can say something retarded but if you time it right it'll be fucking hilarious. T. not stacy but uggo
>all girls are exactly the same based on the lives they seem to live in their social media posts
please go outside
I thought women weren't all a hivemind >you know that women aren't a single hivemind right?
so which is it, is it only allowed to use women as a hivemind when its convenient for your argument?
> incel stuff humiliating my partner
You talk like a faggot, kys
The very aspect that everyone thinks and says wildly different shit when they're asked about "what women [X]" should be your biggest clue that they're not a hivemind precisely because everyone has different experiences that contradict each other.
They can fall in love with a beta provider, but when they’re ovulating, alpha masculine men will turn them on, like real on. Not you.
Take your cuck fantasies to the garbage where they belong.
This. Women don’t know what they want. They often confuse “what they actually want” with “what they think they should want”.
>that OP pic
Goddammit. I really AM a loser.
there is no such thing as a beta provider, they are nothing more than a roommate with a job that helps with groceries and rent.
You are wrong. We know exactly what we want but sometimes settle temporarily
Then what would be the point of giving advice, since everyone would have subjective sets of rules?
It’s science, senpai. Love and lust are two very separate and different things for women. You don’t know what they think, you don’t know how they rate masculinity inside their head. Maybe there’s someone above you in their imaginary sexual hierarchy.
>b-but sex with love is a magical thing!
If you believe that, you’re so naive. I mean sure, they can enjoy the 30% physical orgasm and 70% mental orgasm with you, but when they’re ovulating, they will feel the urge to experience 100% physical orgasm and 0% mental orgasm. No feelings, no emotions, just savage penetration that touches their anterior fornix. Sure they won’t cheat, but in their heads, during ovulating period, you’re no longer the number one sex appeal to them. A picture of a big cock that usually disgusts them, now it’s turning them on. But since they’re in a relationship, they’ll ask sex from you. But it wasn’t you that turned them on.
This is not a cu.ck fantasy, I hate cu.ck fantasies they make me sick and feel bad about myself. But my naked reflection in the mirror also makes me sick, so..
Yes! Exactly! These sort of subjective questions are literally pointless, no advice can come actually from them, people are just looking to be told they're right as opposed to actually wanting any real help in their lives. You figured it out.
this reads like the kind of shit cucks jack off to, that "science" proves them inferior to other men, further humiliating them
again, please see
I don't need a lesson on love and lust and know they are separate. Don't assume however that I would love a roommate romantically.
Wait...
Can we go back to the 'Asians with pale baby feet' part...?
You need to be able to fulfill both roles as a male partner.
If you're only a provider, you'll be using your fortune to hide from your wife in a renovated storage house on the other end of town with your antique cars, and if you're only a stud, you'll never be able to make a happy home.
>Do women really group men into 'lover' and 'provider' roles?
It would be weirder
if
they
didn't.
You might as well ask "Hmm do men fantasize about having sex with other women besides their girlfriend? :O"
that's exactly what they do
don't let anyone tell you different
Yes, not only that, but every woman wants 4-5 men in their lives with different roles.
>It's science
Then let's see it, let's see scientific articles that show women want both an alpha fuck and beta bux. Blogs of incel cuck fantasies are not science just to warn you, incels usually can't tell the difference.