How can I move into a culture where women make the first move in sex and dating?
In the US and Canada men are expected to make the first move, but there's such an epidemic of false rape and harrassment accusations that just asking a woman on a dinner date is a Me Too witch hunt waiting to happen.
Go MGTOW and fuck off, or become someone actually worth chasing. I live in USA-lite and the amount of men complaining about women not instigating then immediately rejecting a girl who instigated (as is their right as peeps with preferences) and go back to complaining that women never instigate is ridiculous. Also don't touch peeps without their permission and don't hit on co-workers who can't escape you and you won't need to worry about me too, but if that's a bit complicated I understand.
Anthony Williams
>Don't bother women without their permission and you won't get Me-Too'd
I hear this a lot but it doesn't work that way. You can just compliment a woman on her appearance or ask her out on a date, without being sexual or coming on too strong, and you're still at risk of getting MeToo'd. Even if she turns you down and you say okay, that's fine you're still at risk of someone screaming bloody rape because you asked them out on a date and they turned you down. Even if you just walk away and accept it they can turn it on you.
Camden Murphy
This guy is right. Dating is pretty much a dead-end these days. I can honestly say that I'd be happier had I just done my own thing instead of dating and even worse get married.
Isaac Cruz
>guy Kek
Xavier King
What epidemic of false rape accusations? Go outside instead of getting your news from incel forums.
Elijah Cook
Men get approached lots. Just be good looking and dont be ugly
Cooper Bailey
Move to a different planet inhabited by a species where the male is the receptive partner and let them penetrate you with their female alien penis.
Jonathan Stewart
This is the best response to this question and I will be stealing this
Leo Flores
It's also a genuinely unhelpful one.
Sebastian Russell
There's a place in southern china like that but I don't remember what's the name of it and they don't date foreigners.
Michael Torres
It's not, it's just stating the obvious.
Females are the receptive sex, they get penetrated, fertilized, go through 9 months of labour, possibly died in childbirth and then have to raise the kids.
Men just have to cum inside a hole.
That's why women are the selectors, that's why they're the ones who generally get approached.
Jordan Thomas
>don't touch peeps without their permission and don't hit on co-workers who can't escape you
It's really not that fucking simple, dude. Most false accusation victims, the vast majority aren't in that situation. There is no karmic punishment going on in a lot of these cases. Just some dude asking a chick on a date and then getting told by her and the rest of society that he's a creep and a rapist because he wants to go out for a drink with a woman.
That's all this me too shit is in most cases, and a lot of what the anti-sexual harassment shit boils down to is punishing unappealing men for putting themselves out their on the sexual marketplace.
I've read a lot of feminist literature, from bell hooks to Mary Beard, and it's disturbing how they and their students don't address this serious issue.
Dylan Evans
The only relationships I've had was actually the girls making the first move(s). One of wich lasted 4 years but I guess I'm just extremely lucky
Brandon Allen
Stop being a paranoid schizo.
Robert Barnes
Can't figure out if this is shit tier bait, or just absolute autism.
Jack Nelson
Genuine concern.
That is good luck
No signs of the schizos here
Ayden Jackson
my first 2 girlfriends moved for me
Just be a glimmering god. I've had dozens of girls ask me out just by being on ultra fleek.
Your face doesn't matter, fashion is key.
Jacob Parker
>I don't ask women out because of the metoo movement you're a literal retard, an effeminate one, to boot
Brody Taylor
Brazil is pretty much does the trick. Unless you still want actual girls and not just one night stands. Then I wish you luck.
Jayden King
Jesus Christ when was the last time you left your house? No sane woman is going to scream rape because you politely asked her out. If you're a staring, lip-licking mouth-breather who thinks every girl who pays you two seconds of attention is The One, of course you're going to get called a creep, because that's creepy behavior.
Matthew Clark
It's really not that big of a deal. Just be respectful and patient.
Liam Diaz
You have to become a man Raise your test and learn the reality that women are shit and are lesser than you.
Cooper Howard
Sorry mate the only culture where women made the first move was in kaiserreich times, there's none left you damn autist
James Cruz
If a person dies from radiation poisoning in a river, it wont happen again as nobody will go near it. Doesn't mean the nuclear waste on the lake disappears
Evan Stewart
If youre not a real rapist then this shouldnt be a worry for you, you fucking idiot
Thomas Parker
Move to Europe. American women are by and large crazy. I'm not saying that to be insulting, it's just a fact. You won't get witch hunted here, unless you actually do something severe enough to warrant it, in which case don't move here.
Jason Perez
now you are in the position of the MGTOW. how does it feel?
David Nguyen
No, I'm not, because I'm not a retard afraid of interacting with people
Blake Watson
>American women are by and large crazy. >implying American men aren't just as fucking crazy
Hmm
Jackson Morales
The chances of getting approached in Europe as a man are by faaaaar smaller. Most countries still have a pretty strong traditional view on such things.
Leo Perez
t. Burger who thinks "Europe" is one country and entity where every culture is the same
Carson Russell
Name a single one which isn't eastern European
Justin Flores
you just made the same complaints MGTOW does, so yeah you are.
Leo Wood
It all depends where you are. Capitals and big tourist spots are not to be taken into account. But to humour you, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Czeck Republic, most things east of Prague. France too but that could be a bias.
Jayden Ramirez
You've never been to Europe have you. Can you even point it out on a map?
Alexander Thompson
Most women nowadays don't want to have kids though. They just like being spoiled by Male attention and are generally lazy.
Kayden Sanders
Wrong. Women do want kids just like before. The main reason couples are not having as many children now is economic.
Landon White
you do know that declining birthrates is endangering the economy in the first place, or do you mean that they want to be financially secured when having a child?
Easton Williams
Except for Scandinavia. Big percentage of women here aren't afraid to approach.
William Campbell
It's more difficult these days for couples to be financially secure enough to have kids.
Sebastian Brown
>women want to have kids They sure as fuck don't act like it when all they do is go after attractive men who remind them of daddy in that they don't give a shit about them and are obviously using them for sex.
Owen Williams
Listen dude
There's a lot wrong with dating these days, for sure. But getting #MeTood isn't even part of the list. Get that shit out of your head right now.
You have months and years of shit you're going to have to learn and the shit you are worried about which is preventing you from starting isn't even remotely relevant.
William Stewart
Not counting random bar nights or visa seeking golddiggers. Which country are you from that I was wrong about? And which city?
Luke Cook
that's because many of them cant keep decent job.
Thomas Cook
nayrt but any relevancy to those countries? are they nice to foreigners visiting and possibly working there?
Brayden Lopez
They do want kids, just not with you. Why would anyone want a kid with a bitter virgin neet like you?
Isaiah Wood
You named three small countries, and were wrong about Czech. You left out 95% of Europe.
Nolan Miller
You may not see it from your perspective but it is. Its constantly making men feel like they are walking on thin ice and for the guys who are really shy, they dont bother.
Easton Gomez
Don't project your massive insecurities on other men. It's only the biggest losers like you who feel that way.
Wyatt Richardson
People seem colder and less approachable, but we are extremely welcoming for the most part.
Landon Garcia
learn to cope fag, it's a real issue for a lot of guys whether you like it or not if anything you were the one speaking for men first.
Isaac Phillips
>Its constantly making men feel like they are walking on thin ice and for the guys who are really shy, they dont bother.
Shy guys have always been shy, that's not a new development. This rape accusation fear is just a new excuse to avoid putting themselves out there.
David Brooks
Incels always think they are a huge group of men and not the tiny fringe group they are.
Robert Anderson
it really isnt since there seems to be an issue when it comes to what the definition of rape really is. There was thread just a hour ago stating this woman thought that though she wasnt physically raped she felt liek she was because the guy didnt tell her to stop drinking. She had a one night stand and felt awful for it, but she used the term rape as casual as saying the guy hit it and quit it. Women do do this, just like men they dont seem to understand what rape actually is and misuse the phrase that causes a lot of peer to peer issues.
Jeremiah Cruz
Weakling pussies like you just use it as an excuse. Anything to make it not your fault you never ask girls out.
Liam Allen
I never said I was a huge group, but as a guy and listening to other dudes about and seeing posts on Facebook from other women saying their significant other basically raped them, yeah it's a legit thing wether you like it or not.
Chase Lewis
from what I can tell you are simply projecting. I have no problem asking a woman out and dealing with that rejection. There are millions of fish in the sea and I take what I can get.
Nolan Ross
I wish.
Charles Nguyen
Oooh that's what I've been doing wrong!
Thomas Anderson
>Anything to make it not your fault you never ask girls out. Where do you meet them?
Jason Butler
Lots of women make the first move. My sister did with her old bf. I pushed for contact with my current bf. Several of my friends have initiated too.
Aaron Ramirez
I don't want to have kids. The process of pregnancy and birth is horrifying and men are disgustingly callous and uninformed to the point of absolute naive ignorance about it. Yet they are also usually the one more against adoption go figure.
I know many other women who don't want them because they are horrified by pregnancy and birth. The rate of dying in childbirth is also rising in the US for some reason.
Eli Mitchell
I thought like you until I read multiple books on the subject. Women actually start the courtship process the vast majority of the time in America. We have some of the most forward woman in the world actually, but in humans females start the courtship process. How can this be, you say? Well, women just happen to be much more subtle about it. Everything from extended eye contact, to hair flicking, to standing in close vicinity to their man of choice, to asking for a lighter, to putting on lipstick and preening their hair... the list goes on. It was suprising to most anthropologists/biologists when this observation was first made, but its a face, women make the first move. Sure, with some women you may have to start the verbal interaction, but a lot of the time they all but shout at you to tell you its ok to talk to them. And you'd be surprised by how many woman have started interactions that you didn't know were flirtations... Infact, the most common complaint among women in canada wasn't that men are too boorish or rude, it was that the vast majority of men are too stupid to take the hint, or many hints. So basically, if you're a well groomed man, there are most likely women hitting on you or giving you signals. You probably just don't notice. Once you notice, though, it is up to you to respond in kind.
Charles Ward
and yet there isn't one case of this happening.
Luis Lewis
Vic Manahna he is now seeing funimation and Sony because of falsely being metooed
Cooper Brown
I am sure you read a lot of books by women and their perspective on how they start the courtship by saying yes.
Carson White
Worried about getting MeToo'd? As a woman, my advice is to learn how to take an L. When women have problems with men, it's because they're scared that the man won't take the rejection well. Just look at that case of the kid who got thrown from three stories because some punk got angry about being rejected by women. LEARN HOW TO TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER.
Additionally, if you're really worried, have a witness with you.
Jason Long
He doesn't have any proof of being falsely accused.
Ayden Gonzalez
Nice analogy. Bricks are known to have fallen off buildings and killing people. Are you gonna stay inside your whole life like a pussy because of it, you dumb shit? I hope you'll get struck by lightning through your shower installation
Jace Ortiz
Be a male submissive and go to munches.
Tyler Clark
>women draw the line that men have to navigate with uncalibrated tools
Carter Anderson
>In the US and Canada men are expected to make the first move, but there's such an epidemic of false rape and harrassment accusations that just asking a woman on a dinner date is a Me Too witch hunt waiting to happen. Cringe As Fuck
Get out of here, loser. Women not taking initiative isn't your problem.
Cooper Collins
>There are obvious rules when it comes to human interactions, and autists are responsible for their own inability to navigate those rule sets.
Fixed that for ya.
Asher Bailey
I just graduated uni and almost every single girl didn't give a shit about metoo, radical feminism, intersectionality, or whatever BS you guys are claiming. Among normies, everyone wanted to party and fuck. If you went to a college bar or party, there was drinking involved and sex was expected despite the drinking. The only time it was bad was if the girl was seriously too drunk to verbally consent (the rule about any alcohol is too drunk to consent didn't exist in normal circles), and at that point people would be forcibly pulling you two apart before it could ever come to sex.
Girls for the most part found those radical feminists weird and in need of dick. Your fears on getting metoo'd are just a convenient excuse not to try, because the reality is that you're not afraid of getting metoo'd, you're afraid of trying. And probably not just with girls, you're probably afraid of any sort of social risk that could possibly get you judged by others.
Adam Morgan
>Someone who loses their legs through no fault of their own and has to use a wheelchair is responsible for their own crippled state
That's what you sound like
Joseph Ward
Even if you take no for an answer you can still get accused of sexual harassment just because you asked a woman out. You might not realize it but that's how it looks from a male POV
Logan Torres
1. become rich 2. register at the appropriate platforms to look for sugar babys
done.
Adrian Reed
Uh, yeah pretty much dude. It's your life to live. What you want other people to for some reason assume the responsibility of managing your dumb ass / fixing your problems for you? Grow the fuck up.
Colton Jackson
You need to stop getting your worldviews from incel forums and step outside the basement once in a while.
Luke Ward
>suggesting that autism is only a retard dibilitating affliction and that functional autists don't exist as most of the population Yeah that's also how disability works as an adult. Some people don't have parents to pitty them either. You are responsible for your own wellness. is right
Ethan Harris
>In the US and Canada men are expected to make the first move, but there's such an epidemic of false rape and harrassment accusations that just asking a woman on a dinner date is a Me Too witch hunt waiting to happen.
Neither one of those things are true. I'm Canadian and girls have asked me out all the time and there isn't an epidemic of fake rape claims. This some incel bullshit
>Just some dude asking a chick on a date and then getting told by her and the rest of society that he's a creep and a rapist because he wants to go out for a drink with a woman. >That's all this me too shit is in most cases
I'm sure you've got a study with concrete numbers that proves this, and it's not just incel fantasy
Daniel Myers
I hope you get falsely accused of rape you snivilling piece of shit.
Josiah Wilson
Cringe as fuck dude.
>Just some dude asking a chick on a date and then getting told by her and the rest of society that he's a creep and a rapist because he wants to go out for a drink with a woman.
This is so rare that it's negligible. Sub 0.01% of rape accusations.
>punishing unappealing men for putting themselves out their on the sexual marketplace.
Wrong again. It's creepers and abhorrent autists being told they're creepy and autistic and them trying to blame everyone but themselves. It's fucking childish.
>it's disturbing how they and their students don't address this serious issue.
It's because what you think is an issue isn't really an issue.
A real issue: >Women being pestered by creepy austists
Not a real issue: >I swear I'm not creepy and autistic! The whole world is aligned against me in some sort of illuminati-feminist conspiracy!
Easton Jones
not him, and not gonna happen cause there is no epidemic of false rape accusations you autistic retard, you're talking shit you idiot
Jason Phillips
You have never been in a position of leadership with good money on the line. A woman will knife you in the back and go to HR if you turn down advances she is only making on you to further her career.
Ian Taylor
Women make the first move all the time. If you have to make the first move, she’s most likely not all that into you. It’s not to say you shouldn’t make the first move. Also, as long as drugs and alcohol aren’t involved, you aren’t likely to get accused of sexual misconduct for something completely consensual. If you go to other countries, things are more likely to be traditional where you’d really have to court a woman.
Kayden Morris
beautiful analogy, bro
Camden Thompson
>you can still get accused of sexual harassment just because you asked a woman out
This can only happen in specific contexts, like a student asking out a teacher or a boss asking out an employee. No sane woman is going to accuse a man of sexual harrassment for asking her out ONE time.
Jonathan Carter
Nah, you're just bad at spotting the signs. If you come onto a woman and she's receptive, it stands a pretty good chance she's also attracted to you, making it a more natural experience. The only time me to is called upon is when they aren't attracted to you and you cant pick up on the social cues that no matter how hard you try, it just ain't gonna happen, therefore coming off as creepy.