What ever happened with this? Last I heard was some user on here saying they were going to be offered a plea bargain a couple weeks ago, and then I never heard what happened with that. If they rejected a plea bargain, isn't that probably because their defense attorney says they've got a good shot at beatingthe charges? If they had taken it, someone would have reported that by now, right?
IIRC they were charged with first degree (premeditated) murder which would be insane to prove in their case, so the DA raising their bail and keeping them locked up all this time just to try and get them to plea down to something that actually will stick and make the DA look better makes more sense then.
I don't know anything about the law but I recall Zimzam getting off partly because the prosecution pursued second degree rather than third or manslaughter. 1st degree in this case does seem like it could be hard to prove, I don't know how these guys would do in a trial though.
Benjamin Scott
I mean, the video does a good job of making them look like evil bigots or whatever, but it also shows a confrontation evolving into a more violent thing. If they had planned it ahead of time, there wouldn't be something like this. it would be done quick. They wouldn't have given him an opportunity to fight back or done it in front of his wife and kids. I really don't think that charge can stick, and I think it's one of two things
>the DA knows it can't stick and he's doing this to be able to get them off on the charges without just dropping them which would look bad for him
>the DA knows 1st degree won't hold up so he's dragging this out as much as possible while keeping them detained on a bail they can't pay because he;s hoping to demoralize them to be able to get them to plea down to something that gets him an actual charge
Jack Peterson
First degree can be proven through the unneccessary escalation of force by bringing guns to an otherwise minor and trivial dispute.
>b-but he was a violent criminal This was literally the first time they interacted with each other. They couldn't have known that.
Lanklets when will they learn to never challenge the Superior Martial prowess of the bloatlord.
Adam Young
They din't "bring a gun to a minor dispute" though. There was no planned dispute and they were always carrying. The dispute broke out and the guns were already there. Actually, I think the younger was said to have run back in to get his gun so maybe he's in more trouble, but the older one was said to always be carrying because there were dangerous types in that area, something about meth houses.
It's perfectly legal to carry your gun around with you all the time in Texas, so how would you go about prooving a first degree murder charge in that way there?
Is it first degree murder now because the kid planned to use the shotgun two minutes before he did, or however long before the video he ran in to grab it?
Jeremiah Bailey
They were trigger happy, settles a very dangerous precedent.
Colton Ortiz
>Alert!!! YouTube is censoring and deleting truther channels before 2020 election!!! youtu.be/Ei-vM3UGx84
Is it trigger happy when you tell someone to fuck off, they attack you, and you shoot them?
Lucas Morales
In Texas you can only open carry in two positions with a handgun. On hip or on shoulder. The shotgun has no rules they can be carried wherever. The handgun in question is in hand and out of holster; this is a brandish/show of lethal force. There are restrictions on when a show of lethal force is justified (usually on your premises, at night, and in defense of one's self when the person feels that their life is in imminent danger). He might get slapped with a felony if he can't proove that he knew that his neighbor had that "anger management" problem that his wife had talked about on the fb post (probably not anger management, but abusive to wife who knows). The kid with the shotty won't get anything.
HIs neighbor was brandishing a bat, which he threw at him. You can see the bat him him seconds before he shoots.
Angel Wright
If he had the handgun in the holster then brandished after the assault, then its completely justified. But, since he was brandishing even before then, he would need to proove that his life was in imminent danger before the assault took place.
>you're not allowed to draw your gun until AFTER the other dude has already tried to hit you with his weapon
No way that's true. It's obvious he is in danger because there's a guy with a baseball bat screaming his head off pacing back and forth a few feet in front of him.
Thomas Long
You're allowed to carry a gun all the time in Texas. The mattress dispute just happened while he was carrying a gun.
I'm just telling you what the law is here in Texas. A show of lethal force on your land is not justified during the day unless there is threat of imminent harm to you, or others. He would have to proove he knew the guy was a schizoid to justify his show of lethal force. You can carry long rifles in any position you want in Texas. Handguns are more controlled where you can conceal with a permit in most places, and open carry on the hip or on the shoulder. Holding the handgun in your hand and walking around is a show of lethal force and has to be justified by law. You cannot just walk around with a handgun in your hand.
>He would have to proove he knew the guy was a schizoid to justify his show of lethal force.
Or anyone at all could watch the video of the guy pacing back and forth and throwing a baseball bat at him.
Leo Edwards
Yeah, a precedent of if someone chimps the fuck out and comes at you, you take his ass out.
Joseph Edwards
I mean yea, honestly I side with the two gun boys, but its what you can proove in court. That and it happened in an alley, where castle laws don't protect the guy with handgun either. I predict the son will get no time, and the father may or may not get time.
They coulda just not be mad about a simple bed. They would eventually be picked up by trash man. They’ll both get prison time
Logan Long
But doesn't Texas have Stand your Ground law? And didn't the boomer tell him don't come within 3ft. of me? And he had a baseball bat hurled at him before they fired. I honestly don't think they can get anything on these guys. You know in NY the cops taught us to back ourselves in a corner this way when it goes to court, it will always count as self defense and manslaughter. According to them, because when you're in a corner and can't run the law protects you, but if you're in an open area, you have to run or get manslaughter.
Ethan Wright
its kind of grey because he shoots after the bat hits him and does hardley any damage. had he shot before the bad was thrown maybe would be more clear cut. but the fact that he threw the bat and shot after he wasn't really harmed by it at all means deadly force after the thread was over with. now had he charged daddy after he threw the bat at him and then daddy shot him it would also be more clear. this will be up to a jury but if i was on this jury i would acquit both on all charges.
Connor Cooper
>this is the last thing someone saw before they died
>It's perfectly legal to carry your gun around with you all the time in Texas
Not if you are brandshing, which he clearly was.The alley in which the dispute occured is public property. The courts will see that as bringing guns off your property into the dispute.
>Is it first degree murder now because the kid planned >planned
Plain and simple, Yes. Don't be a lawyer. You would have sunk your client, right there.
Thomas Thompson
As of February they were still in jail
Luis Thomas
laws don't mean much in texas. they'll probably quietly get acquitted because muh guns muh self defense
Noah James
>Texas have Stand your Ground law? Even so, The victim had the right to stand his ground. They initiated the confrontation as he was dumping a matress into a bin on public property (Which I assume the father and Son owned.)
Easton Sanders
I don't want to be. I'm arguing semantics with you and asking questions to get feedback from people who would know more than I do.
Personally, I would still think that would amount to a crime of passion moreso than a premeditated murder. He sees some whack job threatening his dat with a baseball bat so he runs to grab his shotgun. Who knows if he "planned" to use it or not, but according to you him bringing the gun at all is enough to prove that yes he did.
Kevin Anderson
Someone post the video. I want to watch it again.
Brody Bell
Aaron threw a baseball bat at the father. What a fuckfagnigger
Stand your ground means you do not have to run away from a threat and you have the right to confront a threat to you or others. You are justified with using lethal force if your life or others are in imminent danger of harm at that time and place. Again, he would have had to know that his life was in danger upon walking to the alley and confronting schizoid.
It was an alleyway to the side of the victims house. The alley is in the property line of the boomer, hence the boomer owns it. It's illegal to dump your trash into the neighbors property, it's federal law. You're supposed to put the mattress in front of your trashcans, in front of your property, and the garbage guys will pick it up, or cut it up into pieces and throw it out. Before the confrontation broke out, the victim just threw it over to the boomers property. I don't know about you, but a neighbor throwing his trash into my yard would have me fuming. The victim wasn't standing his ground, he was pacing back and forth hurling threats, not to mention threw a bat. Standing your ground is when you make a boundary and tell the other party to not come closer, which the boomer did. The most they'll get is misdemeanor charges for brandishing their guns. And maybe if the media presses the old boomer will get manslaughter, but i really doubt it. t. i live near a lot, a lot of Jewish lawyers.
I don't think you've actually seen the video. The son has the shotgun well before the deceased is even armed. This isn't even going into the fact that at the time he actually used it, the deceased was unarmed again (He threw the bat)
What will ultimately seal their fate isn't anything in the lead up, but the fact that they executed a wounded, unarmed man. (Shotgun shot and 2 pistol shots AFTER the bat was thrown and he was hit by the first volley)
But the prosecutor would have to prove what you just said. He would have to prove the boomer knew he wasn't in danger, which is basically my word vs. his.
Zachary Phillips
see
Josiah Foster
true, the victim got shot twice before throwing the bat
Jace Perez
The video doesn't start until the confrontation has been going on for a while already and we don't actually see when the bat comes into the picture. We know the kids are already gone and inside by then, but the brother and wife are still there. The brother is said to have given him the bat, but we don't know when based on the video because we don't see it.
Chase Sanders
You can't say I'll shoot you before shooting and killing someone, that's means you planned it
Brody Russell
>my word vs. his. Absolutely. It's what you can proove in court and what the jury thinks. Also to note, even if there are no criminal charges, they can still lose in a civil court case if the wife/family decide to sue.
Retarded logic. To any sane person that would have de-escalated it, but Aaron the big dumb spazoid nigger monkey wasn't sane.
Levi Jackson
>couldn’t have known the whole neighborhood knew the guy was a prior meth head on pills who would constantly get the police called to his home, also his arrest record. That’s precisely why they brought firearms because they knew since this is the 3rd etc time if telling him he cant dump shit there that he doesnt care and would not respond in a coherent manner
Aaron Sanchez
Yea that overly schizo anger issue that his wife was defending...im pretty sure he was probably an abuser of his wife too. Women that defend degenerate behavior are often victims themselves of that behavior. Who knows.
>The alley is in the property line of the boomer, hence the boomer owns it.
Alley disputes between neighbours are stupidly common 99.9% of the time, the state owns it thus public property. They are accessways for Emergancy services, garbage collection etc.
If someone is dumping shit in the alley, you call the cops and let them sort it out.
>not to mention threw a bat I will mention that, in fact it's exactly why they are going to be done for murder. He threw the bat and is thus unarmed. They both shot him AFTER he threw the bat.
Owen Williams
>This was literally the first time they interacted with each other
That's not true. This mattress disposal dispute had been going on for days with the mattress being put into the dumpster and taken back out and tossed onto the mattress owners lawn multiple times.
Brayden Brooks
No idiot
Lucas Long
You're delirious, throwing a bat at someone is intent to injure. They waited for him to do that to shoot him for a reason, it's why the cops wait for you to reach your pocket before they anhero you. Any murder charges just got thrown out the window. Manslaughter at best.
Mason Wilson
wrong, faggot he was warned numerous times and hothead got shot in the head they stood their ground, and your legal bullshit can't refute the factual evidence
Benjamin Torres
What was the matress brand?
Joseph Cox
What's stopping him from throwing anything else at them at that point? How do you know he wasn't grabbing for a rock or running to get something else to try to hit them with? You can't know his intent.
It's obvious he didn't ust drop the bat to the side and try to get away because you see the bat him the odler guy in the video. It's obvious from that that he's currently engaged in committing assault. The second the bat is no longer in contact with fat, it becomes murder? GTFO of here.
Jeremiah Anderson
Have fun convincing the court otherwise
Jayden Anderson
The Millers would have been arrested for trying to dispose of a mattress in a dumpster if they hadn't kept removing it after Aaron kept sneaking it in.
Owen Sanders
>Aussie logic: guy throws his weapon at me now he's unarmed and I can't shoot him. No. Maybe in your disarmed state but not in the USA. Assault is assault. It can be countered with justified lethal force as it is a threat/act of harm to another person.
>tells somebody else not to be a lawyer >says this is literally the first time they interacted with each other You don't even know the basic facts here, just keep you mouth shut and learn you dumbass
Wyatt Morales
Likewise orange shirt man could have just disposed of the mattress in a normal manner instead of trying to bluff his way through a mexican standoff where he was outnumbered and outgunned
Jose Allen
>I doubt it Kek
Lincoln Rogers
Poor choice of words, as dumping something on someones lawn could be seen as an interaction. I had read somewhere, it could have been in the police report that they hadn't actually spoke and weren't known to each other.
Wyatt White
That can't be true. They're neighbors that have been involved in a dispute for days. You think they never interacted before the fateful meeting in the alleyway? It was common knowledge Aaron was an asshole.
Jackson Powell
that's what is so fucking retarded about the legal system. This dead guy was a complete asshole who instigated things and was just a general lowlife criminal. He forced these guys to act, and they pay the price. It's the same as when cops get persecuted for shooting a black thug who instigated the entire situation to beginning. THe only thing left is to generate billable hours as lawyers debate and hairsplit intent and motive autistically for weeks on-end
Dylan Kelly
They face charges of first-degree murder
Lock these degenerate losers in a jail and throw away the key, absolute scum
Angel Torres
You just sunk your client right there faggot.
Grayson Russell
Suckling to much nigger dick?
Jaxon Wright
Lethal force situations:
1) You are already being attacked with lethal force (by then it's usually too late to save yourself, but at least try to take the attacker with you) 2) The attacker threatens to kill you and then retrieves a weapon. 3) Multiple attackers when you are alone, even if the attackers are unarmed.
Dominic Moore
This, wheres the full vid??
Evan Bell
4/10 b8
William Brooks
they will probably serve time if not life because Texas is full of pussies now.
Juan Green
Murder is premeditated. That means they would have had the plan to kill him. It's obvious that that's not the case here, as they gave the idiot a long time to fuck off. It would be manslaughter at most.
Owen Phillips
>2) The attacker threatens to kill you and then retrieves a weapon.
Well that's mostly on camera. We don't see the actual retrieval of the bat but we know he had to have gone to get it at some point from him throwing it.
Carson Gomez
>fat, ugly, degenerate, unskilled and stupid morons, who have nothing better to do than rile up and keep an argument going with a guy over a mattress
if these subhumans didn't have their little guns, they would've ran away like little girls that they really are
Jaxon Long
Lmao what?
Gabriel Bell
Underrated
Luis Adams
they stood their ground on an issue for which they were the correct party. SET THEM FREE
John Perez
He could have had a second bat or a gun or a gun that fires bats. They didn't and couldn't know. Sorry, fren. They did the right thing.
>can't even brexit >talks down on americans for 3823274023th time neck yourself, cockburn
Carter Foster
2 shots occur before the bat is thrown. in which he is hit. You could argue the deceased threw the bat in self defense after being fired upon. In this moment he is currently unarmed and wounded, then they chose to fire upon him again.
Brody Hughes
>the fact that they executed a wounded, unarmed man You’re definitely kikish enough for law
That’s the lefts unironic goal A horrible proletariat hellhole full of slave workers for the elite to rule over supports this
Jaxson Watson
>Where's your Brexit? You haven't been able to have a valid opinion of America since 1776, and now you and your kin run away like girls from muslims. Surely you understand why we fight so hard to protect the rights of gun owners in our state.
