I think we can all agree that the founding fathers were very intelligent and had some serious foresight. That is why they made sure to include "well-regulated" when they wrote the Second Amendment. They understood there would be a time one day when civilian access to guns would need to be heavily controlled, aka "regulated".
Let's face it, if the founding fathers wanted you to be allowed to own an AR-15 or any other assault rifle they would have said so, but they didn't. Nowhere in the Second Amendment does it mention AR-15s or assault rifles. But it does say "well-regulated", and that's exactly what the founders intended.
Confiscating assault rifles won't be easy but it needs to be done to stop mass shootings and send a clear message to gun owners and the NRA.
Well regulated militias, not gun laws. You can't just take random words out of a context and assert it as truth you triple nigger
Isaac Martinez
all fields with this garbage go back, kike
Nolan Parker
You were on the cusp of an okay argument with the whole "well-regulated" thing. Then you completely lose it when you say "Nowhere in the second amendment does it mention AR-15s or assault rifles."
Do you really expect to convince anyone when you're this fucking retarded?
Lincoln Gray
constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm Well-regulated in English parlance meant in working order or functional. What the 2nd Amendment is saying is that the right to bear arms is necessary for the militia to be trained, disciplined, and ready to repel attack
Ryan Sanders
>You were on the cusp of an okay argument nope. see
Zachary Harris
*18th Century English parlance. Still no bump for you
William Cook
So are you saying the founding fathers were dumb? Because that's what you're implying.
If they wanted mere civilians to own an AR-15 then it would have said so.
Alrighty then. The militia uses guns and if the militia is well regulated then that means the guns should be too. If all people are part of the militia then that means all people's guns should be highly restricted.
Leo Johnson
I mean I agree with this. I just don't think many people think of the language of it this way if at all. Even less have read it at all. Which might make it easier to make someone question themselves with OP's argument.
Elijah Watson
“Well regulated” in the 1700s, up u til the late 1800s meant “to keep in good working order.”
Sage.
Matthew Diaz
Why?
Carter Ramirez
If you have a problem with the militia being inadequately regulated, then your issue is with our profligate legislature and not civilian firearm ownership. Demand better militia laws today.
Brandon Lewis
Well regulated means well supplied, retard.
Juan Sanders
Well regulated means well equipped. It’s an old phrase. Like if you got a car that was well regulated it would have all the options. Fucking retards.
Working on Sunday, shill. Are you paid by the hour or clicks?
Kayden Sanders
“Well-regulated” was vernacular at the time for “functional.” As in, you compromise the “functionality” of your militia if the right to bear arms is infringed upon. The language isn’t really up for debate.
John Edwards
That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.
Sic Semper Tyrannis
If it is confusing your IQ is too low to understand.
Hunter Long
That's not what moving the goalposts means.
He defined the goalposts for you. He said well-regulated means this. Shoot for this goal when arguing.
Levi Reed
heller vs dc. the whole first half of the amendment literally doesn't matter. it's just there for decoration.
Thomas Campbell
>now we are redefining words? like "gender"?
people should have fucking nukes on their backyard if they wish, fuck off with the commie gun grabber bs
This is my topic, I define the argument here. I don't really care what some NRA shills want to define well-regulated as.
Eli Mitchell
'They didn't mean AR-15s!' is willfull ignorance. The clear intent of the 2nd amendment is for people to have weaponry so when an invader comes they can fight back. Why would they purposely hamstring their own militia with obsolete weapons and deny them a fighting chance?
Bentley Roberts
You see the part where the Supreme Court already heard this argument and ruled on it. They even break down the english for you and your tiny brain still cant process it. What's it like to be stupid and flail around at all the things beyond your understanding ? Tits or gtfo.
Hunter Gutierrez
2/10 trolling. The musket was the ar 15 of the time. No, they didnt do any technological predictions.
James Jenkins
A well regulated milita means that the military would provide weapons and training to civilians who are organizing lawfully under the second ammendment. If you commies dont straighten up then we very well may need a well regulated militia.
Joseph Wilson
Listen nigger faggot, y ok u dont get to choose what words mean because of your tranny desires.
Anthony Gutierrez
see the supreme court decided it, not the NRA
Samuel Flores
It says "A well-regulated militia [keyword: militia] being necessary [second keyword: necessary] to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep [third keyword: keep] and bear arms, shall not be infringed"; which is also clearly enumerated as a right. It's airtight. OP is a faggot.
Wrong. A militia is a military force from regular people, and "assault rifles" (semi-automatics are not assault rifles) are needed for a military force. law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246 There are two militias: >the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and >the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia. The FFs aren't idiots, they knew technology changes.
Turn off that VPN, leaf.
Jayden Fisher
1) this isn't reddit, so fuck you. 2) sorry they cut your hours and pay, being a bitch will not increase your shill count.
Thomas Johnson
if I'm reading this correctly it's our right to regulate the militia and bearing arms is the way ensure it can be regulated?
Ayden Williams
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE YOU DUMB NIGGER DOING EVEN KNOW WHAT THE FOUNDING FATHERS ARE TALKING ABOUT. TAKE TWO FUCKING SECONDS AND LOOK UP WHAT WELL RELATED MEANT BACK THEN AND CORRECT YOURSELF.
Also, militia is every able bodied man. Go suck a dick Faggot.
For all Jow Forums fags, keep this for when they come for our guns.
Virginia constitution written by same group of fellas more clearly states just what you said. How the fuck the tards have triuble u derstanding this easily understood right is amazing.
Article 1 section 13
Cooper Peterson
fuck off “I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.” – George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788
“That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that, in all cases, the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.” -George Mason, Virginia Declaration of Rights, June 12 1776
Elijah Moore
If you have to bury your gun you already lost. Shooting is a perishable skill. You fight to keep it the day they come and try to take it. You don't bury it for over a decade convincing yourself that tomorrow you fight for your rights.
Parker Evans
Convenient that Op left out the part that says a well-regulated "Militia".
I think every town, every neighborhood should have a organized gun group. These gun groups should be responsible that their prospective members be of sound character and mind (weed out the "weird loner"). They should be active in educating gun care and safety, gun owner responsibility and proficiency and be tasked to be guardians of their neighborhood.
During the 1950s and 60s there used to be gun shooting clubs in high schools.
Conceal carry should be allowed, but only after regulated training and background checks. The carrier must have a metal badge displayed that authorizes their weapons transport. Guns are a specialized tool that requires training and knowledge. We don't want dumb yahoos to blow their toes off.
The purpose of the Second Amendment is to be a check to the central government. The Founding Fathers, well-read educated men, knew that historically a democracy usually goes more and more corrupt for about ten generations. Then it becomes a dictatorship. A gun-toting populace is the only counter to this.
Ayden Reyes
Here is some historical context to help you understand the 2nd Amendment.
>"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." > -Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787
>"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." > -Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776
>"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." > -Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824
I can do this all day long...
Luke Ross
>The militia uses guns and if the militia is well regulated then that means the guns should be too. Not at all what it means, you fucking moron. Are you saying a military force isn’t “highly regulated” if it uses extremely dangerous weapons? No matter how much training and standardization the troops have to go through?
Jackson Garcia
As the population grows more guns are needed for everyone in the militia to defend the nation; and anyone who is armed & trained is technically in the militia. Kids, too. So yes, exactly. More regulation = more arms as more people populate the US.
I would consider the fact of who you are letting into your country, though. Obviously.
Calling CNN We have a lefty of undefined authority dictating truths Has Don Lemonparty approved your facts yet?
Kevin Turner
Well regulated wasn't the right, copy pasta faggot.
Matthew Torres
>"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed." > -Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823
>"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." > - George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788
>"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops." > - Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787
>"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." > - William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783
>"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun." > - Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778
Michael Johnson
military force =/= civilians with muh ar-15s
Hunter Walker
Dipshit. “Well Regulated” means regular schedule of training and chain of command. Of course an imbecile probably can’t into that.
Aaron Campbell
The fucking militia was well regulated you fucking swine.
It means having an organized group of minute men is constitutional but a ragtag group of armed psychopaths isn’t Unfortunately for you you can’t prove the former from the latter so kiss my ass and eat lead
Hunter Lee
the also included: "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" kys
Daniel Ward
There could be a crazy reason why AR-15's aren't mentioned.
Brayden Wilson
>reading comprehension
Evan Walker
All of my firearms are well regulated, function checked weekly and sometimes the carry pistol is function checked 2 or 3 times a week.
Jordan Johnson
>then that means the guns should be too SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>"This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." > - St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803
How does the following fit in with your theory? >"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." > - Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788
The next one is very relevant to where we are today... >"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them." > - Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833
If you're wondering how we've lost so many rights considering we have the 2nd Amendment; this is how. >"For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion." > - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787
Anthony Ramirez
My favourite part is where it says "shall not be infringed."
Dylan Sanchez
>It means having an organized group of minute men is constitutional but a ragtag group of armed psychopaths isn’t > a ragtag group of armed psychopaths isn’t
Oh, you mean like all of the psychotic mass shooters we have today? ;)
Well regulated means well armed. You need to lurk and research more before posting.
Jordan Bell
A WELL REGULATED MILITIA BEING NECESSARY vs THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AN BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
What the government wanted was for individual liberties to be free enough that someone can purchase and use firearms to the point that if need be they can be called up in a non professional militia, WHICH IS WHAT THE USA DID FOR DECADES AS ITS STANDING FORCE. They used the exact wording to make it that militias were under regulation of the government so you can't just make your own personal army, BUT PERSONAL FIREARMS USAGE WAS UNRESTRICTED
Julian Bell
>military force =/= civilians with muh ar-15s I agree. Civilians need access to body armor, night vision, suppressors, armor piercing ammo, and even explosives. Shall not be infringed.
Robert Ross
Kek >OP is a faggot >OP BTFO
Caleb Foster
The responsibility of arming, equiping and training military forces is that of the government or entity raising it, not bubba with his 300 dollar AR. If the government wants more than just civilians with AR-15s they'll need to either raise their own forces or give us access to better gear that we can own. Right now, we have the professional standing forces of the USA and the unprofessional levee en masse, which if you have enough people with guns it doesn't matter if they don't have good equipment if they're fighting in their own back yard.
Kevin Morris
The militia is to be well regulated.the right of the people to hold and bear arms shall not be infringed. average joe can own whatever hand cannon he wants but the civilian militia is to be regulated by the state in some way.
OP is correct, the 2nd Amendment was never designed to equip criminal gangs of niggers and beaners with firearms. We've screwed up our Constitution since the 13th Amendment with too much meddling.
Guys this is obvious b8, nobody could possibly be as stupid irl as OP. Let this thread die
Ryder Miller
You build it from cheap secondhand parts off armslist like a true bubba
Sebastian Powell
You are incredibly stupid. Do you even take yourself seriously,user?
Joseph Ortiz
>IM IN CHARGE HERE
Maybe if you learned how to argue, you wouldn't be in this mess.
Grayson Reed
Why not just a little?
Jose Jenkins
Well Regulated
By the people, for the people
Not regulated by the government you absolute derelict
Elijah Jackson
Luty*
Justin Sanchez
In the Federalist Papers the authors of the 2nd Amendment stated that the overall goal of the amendment was so that states would have equal or greater military power than the federal government in order to insure that the federal government could not become a tyrant over the states and their people.
Nicholas Hernandez
It's typical of you people to isolate words of a passage so that you can invent your own context around them.
>implying the criminal gangs use legally obtained firearms >illegal purchase of guns >felons can't have guns >murder is illegal Surely one more law on paper would stop them. Give up your guns and Tyrone will as well!
Dylan Jackson
a well regulated militia >a militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the people's right to keep and bear arms shall be regulated op you have some explaining to do
private citizens owned cannons and warships of the time
they wouldn't have been afraid of a semi-auto rifle in the slightest
kys
Nathaniel Wilson
You having fun, dumbass?
Jackson Hughes
The nation was never meant to incorporate with international bodies and get flooded with immigrants, either. You also should have sent the slaves back to Africa. What decimation. At the cusp of such industrious revolution. Now everyone wants a piece and it was horded.
You have never debated an anti-gunner face to face have you.
Ayden Peterson
I think she is using daddy's computer.
Jason Gray
You're right. "Well regulated" is the best part. Because "well regulated" meant "working properly" or "well trained". And so it meant that the militia (aka the people) should be well trained with firearms.
Carson Wilson
Destroyed a bunch in AP government. Never seen someone this dumb before in my life.
Blake Reed
The common meaning of a well regulated militia in use at the time of the writing of the constitution included militia consisteing of citizens willing to completely to arm themselves at their own expense. That means every citizen willing to arm themselves in defense of the country and the Constitution.
