How is it possible that a woman does not want to have children...

Reproduction is ultimate goal for every human, animal or any organism in this world. The shit you just uttered makes no sense becasue you are brainlet. Fuck off from my sight peasant.

My goal in life is to get the world record for 100% speedrunning Earthbound and Earthbound Origins.

Listen here m8. Your sóy goals means shit. When you fail at life it's understandable that you are worth shit so you focus on something that's not importnant like kiddie video games. Fucking Earthbound mate? Grow up and when you will talk to shit to me again at least hold your horses before you utter biggest fucking nonsense your mentally ill brain can muster.

As i said dont talk to me peasant.

They may exist, but on the grand scale they are merely genetic dead ends who have no place in deciding things that deal with the future.

But video games are important? Fuck off Jow Forums

Just find one that is sterile lmoa

That's not how any of this works. Close whatever breeder propaganda video you was watching for a second and open a HS biology textbook.

It shows a picture of cells dividing aka reproduction. Where do I go from here?

Go one step back. And once you got the survival bit, move up to more complex organisms. I BELIEVE IN YOU.

>So women who dont want kids are weeding themselves out of gene pool?
The point of the post was to illustrate that the human brain does not simply chase after biological imperatives. Humans are too complex to process our behavior with such over-simplified metrics.

Okay let's do this you deranged faggot. Which book, which page.

Fine, I'll try to speedrun Sunset Overdrive. Happy now?

Ok. The picture shows a cell eating something. It has survived. Then it reproduced. Enough small cells make a complex creature. The complex creatures have eaten, and under the black boxes I am assuming that they are reproducing

Do all men want children?

Any basic ass biology book should do. Maybe you could find some for pre school level with pretty pictures and shit.

>Any basic ass biology book should do

Which one? Can you please point direction to this foolish guy like myself?

Yes! Very nice! So what did we learn from it, first comes survival, then reproduction. When talking about simple organisms. Now move up to more complex ones and see what you can learn from it.

Fuck yea i want kids. If girl she i will teach her how to cook if son i will make him into big fucking warrior.

Idk. I do, but the world is pretty shit atm so I might hold off entirely. My original plan was to get a surrogate but I don't think I could sleep at night knowing I subjected innocent children to this clown world

Active learning is much more effective than being spoon-fed. You should be able to find the necessary resources and much more by opening a new tab.

>innate desire of all females
Jow Forums really, more than any other board except maybe Jow Forums, brings out the autists, doesn't it?

You proved nothing. Now fuck off from my sight. If you will next time start shit then be at least competent enought to prove it. Either by sources or something more than just "guess". Faglord

No. I don't have the patience or skills to interact with the little dumb creatures.

It shows a guy sitting in a cave. He's eating berries and meat. He is all alone and thinking about why he's alive. He, ostensibly, feels empty. On the cave wall he has drawn a crude image of what might be his mother and father, who have long passed away. Perhaps his emptiness comes from having no one to talk to? Having no kids of his own to carry on his memory?

No but I do. My family tells me I would make a great dad. Been great with kids and little dogs since I was a teenager and had to look after my 7 year old cousins from time to time. I got a little 11 year old dog I raised alone since he was 3 months old. It's one of my goals to know what fatherhood is like. I know my dad was a good dad even though he wasn't with me all the time until I was 12 but I want to be a good dad to my kids if I have any.

It's not my job to prove basic facts. If you're too lazy too educate yourself, it's not my problem, friend.

>Perhaps his emptiness comes from having no one to talk to? Having no kids of his own to carry on his memory?
Now that's a massive fucking jump. He doesn't need kinds to have anyone to talk to nor to carry on his memory. Maybe he ate the wrong berries or something.

>It's not my job to prove basic facts.
Your facts are not basic. You just made up bullshit and supported it by nothing. Fucking retard

It's a jump to assume the guy who's been left in a cave alone since his parents died is sad because he ate a bad berry, ignoring that he has grown up eating fucking berries his whole life and would know which berries are safe. But yeah, you're right. It is a jump

They do this constantly. Reproduction plays no part in human motivation. How is this possible?

>Isn't having children the the innate desire of all females?
Having sex is the desire. Women just feel a sense of nurture, but not 'having kids'. Because 'having kids' didn't fit into evolution.

Remember that birth control pill was invented just a few decades ago. Women crave sex, to the point they'll morally collapse against the temptation of it. You know? It's super easy to have sex with a woman because they want to have sex so badly. But talk to her about kids, then she'll resist.

It's not until after the kid is born that she loves having kids. Until then it's only sex. Because throughout the entire chain of evolution, sex is all that was necessary.

Right now, women-at-large are under a giant genetic filter. These egoist women who don't want kids will die out after a few generations and only women who love kids will prevail. Find one who'll prevail, marry her.

When did you get so incel?

>Reproduction plays no part in human motivation

Do you make this shit up yourself. Really? Wanting to have sex aka reproduction is big fucking motivator. It's the reason why this society even exist.

You double fucking retard. Im tired of calling you retard i really am. But when i see how mental illness makes you unable to create any coherent or logical sentence drives me fucking up the wall.

Your ignorance on the subject is obvious enough, you don't have to prove it anymore.

Reading comprehension ... 3/10. Maybe try it again. You did get a few words right, which is somewhat encouraging.

This leaves only one conclusion: They were poisoned and the guy wasn't as alone as he thought he was.

Reading comprehension ... 1/10. This is getting really sad now.

>Reading comprehension ... 1/10. This is getting really sad now.

>Reproduction plays no part in human motivation

>Sex is not motivation

Is it me who is retard or is it you who are retard? Care to elaborate further?

>Your ignorance on the subject is obvious enough
Then perhaps your infinite wisdom can show my ignorant brain how things are going? Or will you just result into ad hominems which will result even more ad hominems from my side? This is my last post if you will write shit in your next post im leaving this thread and i will claim loss. Because im really fucking tired of your bullshit you goddamn fucking troll

I was making fun of the other guy. Calm down. Of course I think reproduction plays a part in human motivation

>We are nothing but animals. Slaves to our base urges and instincts.

Yeah, no. Fuck out of here, you simple minded, unenlightened peon.

You gave me a 3/10 when I said something factually wrong on purpose. I guess we agree after all

Literally no one seriously said the shit you quoted, and to make things funnier the guy who said it didn't get that no one said it (because he can't read for shit), and then you, being the slow cookie you are, quoted him thinking he said it (because you can't read for shit) while he tried to support your point.

>Then perhaps your infinite wisdom can show my ignorant brain how things are going?
You could simply go to the post that triggered you in the very first place and try rereading it.

Very few people transcend desires. I'm trying but it's tough.

then shut the fuck up you are just making me agitated more. Dont reply to me

>Yeah, no. Fuck out of here, you simple minded, unenlightened peon.

Reproduction is most basic human instinct. You fap right? You slave. You goddamn animal. You jacked it off 10 minutes ago and now you claim to be enlightened. Sex is basic human instinct.

>You could simply go to the post that triggered you in the very first place and try rereading it.

Which one.

So what are you saying? I took your presumed position to its extreme (i.e. that reproduction plays no part in human motivation) and yet you disagree. So what is your position? Do some people not feel driven to breed? Of course. Do most want to breed? Yes. What more nuance is there?

The only problem is that you thought that someone said the thing you wrote in the first place, failing to read that it was never suggested.

Let's make it extra easy now:
>Reproduction plays no part in human motivation
Is obviously bullshit that was never suggested. Reproduction being the main driver is the contested point.

Fapping is a great example how some animals hijacked mechanism meant to facilitate reproduction and went around the biological instincts for pure gratification.

>Which one.
It's a long journey. Clicking on the (You)'s will get you there. Godspeed.

>I took your presumed position to its extreme (i.e. that reproduction plays no part in human motivation)
Dear lord, no. That's be beyond stupid.

>Do some people not feel driven to breed? Of course.
Which is the key here. Most people totally want to breed and all, but humans are and can be motivated by way more things. Not something I expected as a controversial position but this is 4chains after all.

>went around the biological instincts

They didnt. Fapping makes men into bitches and makes them less energetic and due to short spike of dopamine the brain wants more and more of fap making men into far bigger bitches than before. Porn is causing absolute disaster across whole western and eastern world. You are literally illterate faglord who is trying to sound smart.

>It's a long journey. Clicking on the (You)'s will get you there. Godspeed.

Godspeed to you too im leaving to your mentally ill delusions. When you wake up in depression remember my post. Because that depression is my energy channeled throught my posts to your pitiful fucking being. I tried to tell you that you are retarded fucking retard but you just kept talking bullshit all the fucking time.

Now perish you deranged animal. Off to void with you.

>went around the biological instincts
>Fapping makes men into bitches and makes them less energetic and due to short spike of dopamine the brain wants more and more of fap making men into far bigger bitches than before.
You probably genuinely don't realize that what you said has no connection to what you quoted beyond the word "fapping".

Anyway, have a nice evening, user! Maybe have a fap. Could help you against all the senseless anger over ... something.

Ok. Let's back up a minute and see why I am confused
The post that started this mess was likely
Which implies "people" aren't driven by reproduction, because saying "women are people first" in the context of OP's question of "how is it possible that a woman does not want to have children?" Makes it seem like women/people are not interested in children.
It is then said
>having different desires and goals and shit
This may have been fine if it was all that was said. But moving on
Came along and said "we are all programmed to reproduce"
Says "not quite" and that "the idea of survival is reproduction but the bio link isn't too strong" and then "complex organism yadada"
Gets angry
Replies with a snide remark, again insinuating that reproduction does not play a key role in human motivation
And it falls apart after that.
So if your position is that not all people are motivated solely by reproductive desires, I agree. If something other than this, more clarity and explanation would help your case

As i said im done with you. Told you 1000 times that you are retarded. You still fucking FUCKING WONT COMPRENHEND. So yea take care.

>You fap right? You slave.

Yes, I do fap. But, apparently, unlike you, I can choose not to jerk off.

We have instincts. We also can choose not to indulge those instincts. That's sort of the beauty of being a human being.

>We have instincts. We also can choose not to indulge those instincts

To choose not to eat is death. To choose not to reproduce is genetic death. To choose such things you are ill or genetic dead end.

You are literally trying to say smart shit but fail to realize you are complete donkey. Kids like you shouldnt be allowed to post here until they reach mental age where they can reason at least little bit better.

>Which implies "people" aren't driven by reproduction
Eh, never expected it being read that way. Basically I meant to say that as people (in contrast to the 4chains picture of a woman as some roastie or virgin waifu for breeding white kids), they can have motivations BEYOND reproduction.

>"the idea of survival is reproduction but the bio link isn't too strong"
Mhmm, my wording there was blocky. Tried to squeeze a lot into one post so kept it super brief.

What I meant to say is that the survival instinct is more primal and comes before reproduction BASICALLY, it's super hard to get away from "I want to survive" (with obvious counterexamples making a few threads here daily) while "I want to have kids" is something we have much more control over. Of course one could further ante up the complexity by discussing how it subconsciously affects our actions too but guess the ship sailed for that in this thread.

I don't think we disagree, although I don't think it's as easy to ignore as you suggest. Either way, I don't really care. Just an "interesting" thread that was easy to get wrapped into. Have a good one

I decided I didn't want kids when I was 9 years old. My Mom told me that I was "too young to decide something like that" and laughed. I still have zero desire to have children.

I don't mind kids, I just don't want any of my own. I have no explanation for it.

Take care, mate.

Getting bit tired of looking for busses, fire hydrants and bikes myself now too.

>I have no explanation for it

Explanation is genetic dead end. Not everyone can procreate. Existence literally tells you to stop because if you will have kids they will kill themselves anyway.

>overpopulation

youtube.com/watch?v=NgGLFozNM2o&t=10s&ab_channel=FredrikKnudsen

You're saying this as if it's supposed to be an insult. I'm glad to be gone from the gene pool. My family is a long line of abusive, mentally ill narcissists.

Yet, people choose death all the time. We go to war. We run into burning buildings to save strangers. We sacrifice ourselves for others. People are willing to set aside the strongest biological drive there is, for plenty of reasons.

We aren't slaves to our instincts because we are aware of them, and that gives us the ability to choose to ignore them. We're able to transcend basic animal instincts.

People are able to prioritize other aspects of life over reproduction. Yeah, their genetics don't get passed on, but so what? We don't have to, and it doesn't have to be the driving force in all our lives.

And by the way, I already have kids. While you're going to languish away, ruminating your fate as a "genetic dead end". Ain't that a kick in the balls?

Nothing you're saying is supported by either objective, observable or anecdotal evidence. People make decisions that transcend their "biological programming" literally every day. Your entire argument is one over-simplified "appeal to nature" fallacy. Also, "genetic dead end" is not any kind of quantifiable term. If you're going to be citing science to support your argument then make sure your argument is also based on science and not just some meme terms you read on the internet.

>We don't have to, and it doesn't have to be the driving force in all our lives

You have to understand why i am calling you deranged retard. Just because of this shit you are spouting. We have to procreate. We must continue existence. Our instincts demand it. If we are aware of our instincts so what. We are still slaves to them. We are aware of our existence. Does it mean that we just simple can stop existing if we are aware? Can we just simply stop the instincts just because we are aware of them? What say you deranged mortal? Is this eternal ride not fun for you?

>And by the way, I already have kids
Then shut the hell darn up you idiot. The shit you write this shit yet you already reproduced? You mentally ill or something?

>Nothing you're saying is supported by either objective, observable or anecdotal evidence

>starve
>instinct of hunger kick in
>eat

>be honry
>see woman
>instincts kick in
>reproduce

>be mentally ill
>browse anonymous site
>write bullshit because meds start to wear off
>autism increases

>I'm glad to be gone from the gene pool. My family is a long line of abusive, mentally ill narcissists.

Good.

Not every woman wants to be a mother. Otto Weininger wrote in his book, Sex and Character, that women are either prostitutes (concerned with the act of sex) or mothers (concerned with the product of sex).

Looks like otto forget that in both those acts you need pee pee and semen and prostitutes gets pergnant all the time. Thus making them mothers.

You're an idiot. Nowhere in the argument did anyone state that humans don't frequently act on instinct. The argument is that we as humans also frequently decide to not act on instinct. Plenty of people have died in hunger strikes and made the conscious decision not to follow their instinct to eat. Plenty of people have taken vows of celibacy and made the conscious decision not to follow their instinct to reproduce. The mere existence of these people is 100% proof that human behavior is far more complex than simply following biological imperatives.

>We have to procreate. We must continue existence. Our instincts demand it.
>We are still slaves to them.
Obviously they don't demand it and we are not slaves to them because people make the decision not to follow them literally all the time. What part about this concept don't you understand?

Yeah. I hope you have a good life too user and choose whatever makes you happy. I'm going to enjoy mine as much as possible. :)

>What part about this concept don't you understand?

I dont understand why dont you understand that we are animals but self aware. We are not complex we are still beasts. Just because some fag in jail dies of hunger strike or some chink chong who cant get pussy goes into celibacy doesnt mean that every human can do same. Even animals go to celibacy and die of hunger (because they are depressed). Average human is simply driven by chemicals. There is nothing higher in us. It will take another eterinty for us to at least control our physical selfs to some extend.

>I'm going to enjoy mine as much as possible

You wont. We are wired to continue existence. The existence itself demands it. Happiness wont come to the people who dread their birth. You either accept fate and procreate thus completing the circle of endless reincarnations or you will tremendously suffer. If you really want to enjoy your physical self you must do their bidding and create new consicuisnesses.

Really? I'm pretty happy right now. I have a career and various hobbies that I'm passionate about, I get plenty of time to myself which I enjoy, I don't have to worry about rotting in a nursing home because I have enough money put away monthly to ensure I can afford proper care until my eventual death, I have a partner who loves me, and I've helped a lot of people out in my lifetime so far. I'm proud of what I've done and will continue to do so.
I know it's a hard concept to grasp, but people can find enjoyment outside of their base instincts. Otherwise we'd all spend our time doing nothing but having unprotected sex and shoving cake into our faces.
If you want to be a parent then go ahead! That's your choice and you're free to do so. :)

> how is it that a human could be born blind, when humans are adapted to see?

Birth defects can show up in the brain too, user

No, it's a waste of time and effort.

Men who have trouble understanding this are no better than animals driven on pure instinct, and so often lash out because they're so base.

I implore you to get children as soon as possible if you are still young. I truly wish you was right and i was wrong but there is no coming back if you get past certain age. As you will grew wiser you will see and comprenhend how desperate situation is. Maybe fooling around makes you happy to some extend but when will you wake up in desperate depression which wont go away after few shots of wine and sucking off your boyfriend you will know that the existence came to take it's toll. I had to comprenhend the most brutal way possible dwelling into insanity and the only thing that helped was realization of higher self and that we are nothing more but slaves. If you dont want the same, take this advice and not offensive threat to your person.

>We have to procreate.

No, we don't HAVE TO.

>Our instincts demand it.

Already went over that. Your instincts only have the power you give them.

>We are still slaves to them.

All the examples that have been given would disprove that.

>Does it mean that we just simple can stop existing if we are aware?

Yeah. You can kill yourself. Lots of people do it. Not so many animals figure that one out.

>Can we just simply stop the instincts just because we are aware of them?

No. But simply having an urge to do something ultimately means nothing. You're ignoring the fact that society is based upon our ability to control our instincts. It's what keeps all of us from murdering each other over slight grievances. It keeps us from raping every woman we find attractive. It keeps us from stealing whatever we want.

You really need to start using your own brain, and stop getting all your arguments from shitty youtube videos.

The roles aren't permanent. Women can oscillate between the two. And yes the prostitute-woman can end up being a mother biologically but mentally she may still be a prostitute

I'm not so young anymore. It sounds to me like you're actually a person who wanted kids but couldn't have them? If that's the case then that's quite unfortunate and I'm sorry that you went through that.
I can assure you that I have done no "fooling around". My partner and I have been together for nearly 10 years and will likely be getting married soon.
There is objectively more value to a person than the passing of our own genes. We are genetically similar to others of our species by well over 99%
My taxes and the labour I provide to our society does far more than reproduction. I worked in a nursing home for 4 years during the time I was saving up for my education. I saw quite a few of the residents and many often complained of not getting phone calls or visits from their children. Visitors were very rare. Their children had their own lives to worry about. Children do not guarantee happiness and companionship. In reality you must forge your own.

>said a woman unironically

>No, we don't HAVE TO.
We do. I want to be wrong

>Yeah. You can kill yourself. Lots of people do it.

Desperate people do it. The people whose instincts are unfulfilled.

> You're ignoring the fact that society is based upon our ability to control our instincts. It's what keeps all of us from murdering each other over slight grievances. It keeps us from raping every woman we find attractive. It keeps us from stealing whatever we want.

This reddit talk pisses me off. People never wanted to murder each other they had disputes yes but killing instinct is to protect from predators and not to kill your friends.
>raping every woman
Rape was acceptable back in the day if you married the victim. Instict of rape is still there but you wont do it because the consequences could threaten your survival same with murder.

>You really need to start using your own brain, and stop getting all your arguments from shitty youtube videos.

Funny coming from you.

> I saw quite a few of the residents and many often complained of not getting phone calls or visits from their children. Visitors were very rare. Their children had their own lives to worry about. Children do not guarantee happiness and companionship.

Hoping them to come to visit you one day is still hope. Having no hope because there is none to visit you must be fucking terryfing.

>I want to be wrong

I have some good news for you.

We'll see that in about 30 years. Remeber my post. It will haunt you until you fucking die.

You've got real issues with being alone, don't you?

Just imagination of me being alone strikes absoulte unimaginable fear in me. It stuns me and then i start to scream. That shit is too much on me my man.

>Hoping them to come to visit you one day is still hope. Having no hope because there is none to visit you must be fucking terryfing.
The difference is that I enjoy being alone. I don't not need many other people around me to feel happy. A good conversation once in a while doesn't hurt but there are plenty of things to do with nobody around. I've already come to terms with the fact that my partner will likely die long before I do, as women tend to outlive men. I think it must be much more heartbreaking thinking your family will support you in your old age only to be abandoned. Elder abuse is a surprisingly common occurrence.

No it won't. It will haunt you, because your life is empty and devoid of happiness, and you think that the things you don't have will fix your issues (Spoiler: They won't).

I won't think twice about your post once I get off my computer, because I'm perfectly content with my life, which is filled with friends and family and deep personal connections with others. It's why I'm able to cope when bad shit does happen. It's nice.

>because your life is empty and devoid of happiness, and you think that the things you don't have will fix your issues

My issues of not having children is really bad. Im 25 year old male but even i know that when there is nothing to live for the children will shine a new light into life. I am devoited of happiness and my life is empty this is why i will continue to want to procreate until i fucking preish like dog i am.

That's sad user. Not in a pathetic sort of way. Like it just makes me sad.

If it makes you feel any better, we're all alone in the end. No getting around that. No need to run from it either.

>If it makes you feel any better, we're all alone in the end.

Alone in the end while getting heart attack is not so bad. Being alone until i die is what im afraid of.

user, I've had three kids, and they don't make your life better. They make it harder. They drain you. I like mine, but they don't fix shit. If you're miserable before having kids, you'll be miserable after. Only you'll have another human being that you'll drag down with you.

>wah im miserable

You dont comprenhend what even miserable means roasty. If you could comprenehnd the miniscule of absolute fear and desperation im having you would go insane the very next second. So what if they drain me so what if it will be harder at least there will be something to live for.

user, I think you need to seek mental healthcare providers and a support system of close friends and family members. You clearly do not have a healthy mindset which is why you're lashing out at others and looking for someone to blame. I hope you get better.

I wont get better.

I think you can. It will be a tough journey since this has likely been going on for quite a while but it is possible. I have faith in you.