Is marriage still viable for men in 2019?

>Pre-nup
kek, you actually think a woman would sign that? I wish I was still so naive

Prenups are a paper thin defense at best. Any Judge can simply choose not to recognize your prenup and have it thrown out. You think a legal system that's heavily biased in favor of women is going to let men have a get out of jail free card?

Get the fuck out of here with that bs. Where tf do you live where the judge can choose that just because the wind is blowing north-east that day?

Talk to a L A W Y E R about law instead of waxing shit you saw on Jerry Springer, fucksakes, they'll tell you how to ensure your prenup stays up
And you faggots call others naive. The sick irony.

god dam...amen to this right here

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It doesn't matter if it's a raw deal, it's your duty.

>It doesn't matter if it's a raw deal, it's your duty

Get the fuck out of here with that nonsense. I have some kind of duty to take a bad deal? Ridiculous! People try to shame men for not wanting women but I'm not going to let them bother me. I don't have to do anything that I don't want to do.

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You sound like someone who's afraid to take risks.

Have fun dying alone.

Have fun losing all of your money and freedom and getting raped in divorce court.

Man, this redpill/MRA/MGTOW shit is pure fucking cancer. It's wreaking havoc with the insecurities of an entire generation of men.

Sometimes marriages don't work out, sometimes they do. Sometimes it's the fault of the woman that they don't, sometimes it's the fault of the men.

Imagine listening to myths and lies perpetuated by a bunch of neckbeards whose only communication with women has been with their mother.

Not him, but risks are only worth it if you can gain something. What do you gain by marriage? Absolutely nothing. You can start family without it, which makes marriage a pointless risk with no reward.

>You sound like someone who's afraid to take risks.
There are good and bad risks, though, and marriage falls squarely on the bad side of things. The upside is meager and the downside is catastrophic.

>Have fun dying alone.
Everyone dies alone, even married folks. And you can be lonely and married, so no guarantees there.

Face it, the institution is done.

It depends on the woman in question, some will go out of their way to squeeze as much $$$ in divorce court if you do get divorced, while others will not ask for much and maybe nothing at all if you don't have children. It depends, know the woman you're dating. Don't commit right away and don't expect too much sex, everybody wins.

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>Everyone dies alone, even married folks. And you can be lonely and married, so no guarantees there.

This. My father literally said that he felt lonely while being married to my mother.

Yep. There''s literally zero guarantees with marriage even for very basic things. Can you imagine the horror of being married to someone who literally wants the very worst for you?

>Can you imagine the horror of being married to someone who literally wants the very worst for you?
Jesus Christ and that woman has full backing by the legal system to be as vindictive as she wants too. If she ever says "Screw it let's get divorced" she'll take your money, she'll take your house, and she'll take your kids and won't allow you to see them again. She'll also probably lie in court and tell everybody how much of a monster you were too to tip the scales in her favor.

Marriage is a bad deal for everyone.

A cousin of mine married a "nice church girl" and had a child with her. She left him for a literal multimillionaire and they both together sued him constantly for over ten years, poisoned the child's mind against him, and drove him to the brink of suicide. The child is now grown and thinks he's a shitbag, when in reality he's a great guy that just got married to a horrible wench.

There's very little upside to it and the downsides can wreck your life.

>If things don't work out then men get raped in divorce court and have to pay ridiculous amounts of alimony and child support and also risk losing their house and possessions as well.
Yes this is true... But only if you're making way more money than your spouse does. So on the one hand you can say, never marry a woman because you'll get divorce raped. On the other hand you could also say, just make sure you don't MARRY DOWN. Marry someone who is at roughly your level socio-economically. Stop marrying dumb whores and start marrying decent women who actually have something to offer other than leeching off of their husbands income.

Exactly, never marry someone who makes less than you do.

so if you are a man, you should never marry. Look anywhere you like that VAST majority of women want to marry someone that is equal or above them. Women that marry down are often unhappy.

Not following this good advice will lead you to unhappiness. If you are unable to find a high-earning woman, don't settle. Men don't hit "the wall" like women do, so time is on your side. And, if it doesn't happen, them it's not meant to be

Legitimate qustion, why is a woman entitled to half of the man's property and earnings when they divorce?

Because in most cases, the woman has sacrificed on career/education in order to look after the kids. Otherwise it would be kind of unfair for partners to decide one stays at home (whether to look after kids or a household/garden or whatever) because the employed person would take so much less of a risk. Many companies are not dying to hire women in the "child bearing age"/with kids because they will take pregnancy leave, be out of the work field for a while, if the kid is sick it is assumed the mom will not show up to work... Plus having been out of the game for a while depending on how long the marriage lasted.

>tl;dr having the higher income partner pay is a way to even the financial risk they take re: the relationship not working out.

Because those laws were set in place for a time when women didn't have equal opportunity in the workplace so it was harder for them to support themselves if they lost financial support from their spouse.

We have equal opportunity in the workplace now and women are fully capable of getting jobs and being able to support themselves so this kind of financial rape for men getting divorced is completely excessive now.

Yea and guess what, staying with a guy who makes more money than you should be an incentive. If you quit the relationship you quit access to his resources. How is this not straightforward?

I don't know who you've been talking to about marriage, lots of women aren't interested in it or don't care as much as you seem to think.

Until they hit the wall in their 30's-40's. Then the narrative changes from "I don't want to get married" to "Where have all the good men gone"? lol

But now it's just become
>re: getting into a relationship basically entitles someone to your shit

Yeah okay, and then they turn 35-40

No.

marriage before kids is safe mode and after kids it's more like "somehting that had to be done" right ?

but honestly i don't like seeing evil everywhere but, giving that much power to a woman that could fuck up your life for fun over nothing at all, is getting to me.

currently i was thinking about this hole engagement (pre-nup) thing that should makes it for it.

guys we should just slow down and not rush things... i'm 23 and i think i rather not date a woman that doesn't want to get married, that's just a good exit to take.

you all act like you got engaged, married and divorced the same day, srsly ?

So, you're telling me that broad that divorced Bezos is entitled to half of his endless billions?
Why?

It's not like he needs all of that money anyway, and he lured her into marriage with that money.
Now that he has shown his true face he must step up and be a man.

Ffs people aren't shaming your choices. You are the ones coming to complain and say that everyone else should be as miserable because misery loves company, rather than the people who do end up happy. Your unfortunate experiences are just that, your experiences.

all the pro-marriage posts are just ad-hominems or point to the prenup as if that solves everything

this has to be bait

BAIT?
ON Jow Forums?????
Neverrrrrrrrr.
Not on Jow Forums. It's the highest quality board on Jow Forums!

Marriage is in general a very pathetic concept to me, an extremely material way of proving affection.
Fuck marriage, it is not at all a crucial part of a happy life.

nah. your best best is coke and hookers, bro.

visit mexico.

Not as a legal contract, no.
If you want to marry insofar as just the ceremony then godspeed. But if you're a man, and your partner divorces you, you could end up paying for the entire divorce. The law even demands that you pay your spouses lawyer fees.

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Pro tip from a woman: don't marry someone who refuses a reasonable prenup. If you earn 70% of the total income, make a prenup for 70% of your stuff. If she refuses, she's a gold digger.

This is simple stuff, and it's only due to sheer stupidity that so many guys falls into this trap.

Literally every commonwealth country.

>You sound like someone who's afraid to throw €100,000 in to the woodchipper and expect a million.

Have fun co-renting.

>don't marry someone who refuses a reasonable prenup.
I'm male and I honestly believe if you need to sign a legal contract to be with someone, your with the wrong person. Why the duck would you marry someone who you are not 100% sure won't leave you or at the very least will be civil about it. You should marry your best friend not some random you picked up in some bar/club. Seriously if you don't know your significant other intimately why get married? People these days rush into everything and take no time to think of the consequences. People who loose their shit in divorce get what they deserve for putting a ring on the first slut that walks out of the club with them.

People change.

You stupid fuck, people have free will, and Women are easily influenced by groupthink. If her friends are weary of you I can guarantee within 5 years she'll get gone regardless of if your very souls were matched by god himself.

>I'm male and I honestly believe if you need to sign a legal contract to be with someone, your with the wrong person
I'm talking to people who actually wants to marry someone.

You do know marriage is itself is a legal contract, right?

>People change.
Not in the blink of an eye. If you know your partner intimately you would see the change, or the cause.

>within 5 years
Implying you should be marrying someone you have not known longer than that.

>You do know marriage is itself is a legal contract, right?
Well it is now. It was once just a symbol of union.

>I'm talking to people who actually wants to marry someone
I'm not opposed to it. Just wouldn't marry someone I didn't know as well as i know myself. Anything less is just trying to avoid being alone all your life.

How does this work in cases where there's no children? Genuinely curious. Say the husband makes a significant amount more than the wife, but they're a simple family of 2. In situations like these does the woman still get a chunk of man's belongings?

On marriage, your belongings become shared. You own everything together, so when you divorce, you both get half, if there is no prenup. This is reasonable as a default, afterall it shouldn't get skewed in one way or the other from the start.

Prenups exists in case there is a large gap between the two.

Children doesn't really matter all that much in terms of the split of assets, they only really matter for the alimony payments, which is an entirely different issue.

>Have fun dying alone.
Once you're useless and can't do anything for yourself, your kids sure as fuck ain't gonna be at your beck and call 24/7. That's assuming they care about you. Spouses die too and you might be alone for decades if even. You'd best learn to fend for yourself until you croak. And when you're about to, hope you go downhill fast so you're not as the mercy of the "aids."
t. work in a nursing home

Though I do agree everyone should have kids but marriage as a legal contract is a shit deal.

Oh and here's the funny part:

>MY kids and wife/husband would NEVER do that to me.

Please. Sometimes going down fast is hard is superior to rotting in a home with fat black aids

I think guys like you are the honest ones.

Every time someone claims they enjoy their marriage I swear they are lying, or things just haven't gone sour yet. Or the person is not capable of self-reflection.

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t.proud cuck

>b-but it's not fair that my tax payer money should be used to take care of your wife!!

I've heard this ''argument'¨' so many times..I fucking hate male feminists.

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I've seen a lot of mein being guilt-tripped and coerced by their peers into not signing a prenup.

Absolutely based. My dad told me the same thing all the time.

lol what do you even know about risk?

Agree. Life isn't what it used to be when women knew their place and it was easy for a man to make a living for his wife and 3 kids.
Now women have a say in everything, and not that there's anything wrong with equal rights, but it should be up to a certain extent. Women that get married need to fall back into place I think.

All that said, you need to be absolutely sure you find yourself a woman who complements your personality and life. Regarding sexuality, hobbies, interests, everything. I married a boring bitch and it's literally death. My thoughts are sort of all over the place right now