What was it like to be a girl as a kid?

>playing with (Barbie) dolls obviously, when I was really young (like another user said, the first times you get cat called or stared down can be shocking, for me it was definitely years before I was ready to reciprocate that kind of energy/interest in anyone at all, the sort of power play around sex (making someone uncomfortable, pressuring) was something I was much sooner familiar with than real arousal
>I remember the boys from my school being mostly sweet kids, sure there were jabs about how girls sucked but I don't remember real malicious things, this is no doubt also the area the school is in
>still I was pretty much exclusively friends with girls and spent time with my sister more than with anyone else; young girl friendships can be very intense, my sister turns thirty this year and her big heartache from the past is still her childhood friend "breaking up"

Can't really think of much more at the moment.

I liked to catch snakes and bugs in my backyard, play with toy horses, and play Pokemon. It was comfy apart from my alcoholic dad and mentally ill brother.

After I hit 10 or 11? Hell. The moment I developed breasts in middle school, I was teased and flirted with mercilessly by boys, they'd grope me as I'd walk, pull on my bra straps, made me retreat into baggy hoodies and dressed down to avoid attention. Had a stalker, he'd sneak his hands under my shirt in class, made me avoid school and do worse bc I hated it so much.

Girls were mean to me too because being mean to other girls gets you boys, and I was too awkward and frumpy to be friends with "normal" people till late high school, and even then they ghosted and lied to me.

Got into anime and online communities because I was so alone and depressed. Had a manipulative bitch control my life, thoughts, and interests for the next eight years because I had no frame of reference.

I was molested by my older male cousin for years from middle to high school because I was isolated and vulnerable to coercion for love, still damaged from that to this day. When I hit puberty, holidays meant I worked with all the other women to cook and clean while the men drank beer, watched sports, and complained we were taking too long. If I left the kitchen, I'd be molested. Sometimes I did it on purpose because I wanted a break from the cooking, sometimes I avoided it like a plague out of fear of being touched.

All in all, it's good until you're not treated equally anymore. After that, life is you being forced into roles you don't like and fighting off men who see you as lesser eager to take advantage of you. Would not recommend.

t. feminist

>men who see you as lesser
If you weren't lesser, then you wouldn't have these problems. For example, men don't have these problems.

You struggled to fit into the role of being a woman and act like a victim. I'm sure a lot of bad things happen to you, but to post that men and women are the same is just reality denial. Women are largely lesser beings.

oof, this

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Imagine lacking so much self-awareness that you have a trip on Jow Forums, which says so much about how low of a human being you are, read what I said, make this post, and yet you somehow still think your commentary does anything other than completely validate what I just said.

All I can do is repeat what I previously said, really. You stupid splintered woodchip.
>All in all, it's good until you're not treated equally anymore. After that, life is you being forced into roles you don't like and fighting off men who see you as lesser eager to take advantage of you. Would not recommend.

>All in all, it's good until you're not treated equally anymore.
So it's only good when you're treated equal?

But we are not equal and that is the reality. You suggest you're only happy in an anti-reality.

Ignoring your verbal vomit of a character attack. I don't stoop to your levels, and you still want to suggest that you and I are equals.

The bitter irony is that I'm a man and managed to trigger you.
Truth hurts, don't it, Peebz?

Dude, you partake in ad hom constantly. Don't act like you have a high ground because you haven't been in this thread long enough to make a complete fucking moron of yourself.

first off, not triggered, second:
>Truth hurts, don't it
literally what

>literally what
The moment women hit puberty, their life becomes a dichotomy of determining whether or not they want the attention and whether or not the attention is based solely on having sex with them.

The only reason you deny it is because you guys hate the idea that it sucks ass to be a women.

No I don't.

>The only reason you deny it is
I don't deny that we're not equal

> you guys hate the idea that it sucks ass to be a women
It does not

Fucks sake was every female raped or is this just a lot of larping.

Boohoo women get attention :((

>comes into thread about women talking about their experiences
>immediately uses his maleness to ignore and invalidate everything they say
You know what, this is honestly it. This is a true demonstration of the overall female experience. Imagine that every thread you make or post in, a bunch of tripfags come in, make it about themselves, and tell you how you're wrong and derail the original purpose of your message. Transport that kind of behavior to the real world every time you speak. I couldn't have planned it better.

That's what it's like to be a woman, really. You're only demonstrating the bullshit we have to put up with in our daily lives, PB.

Most of the women I know have been molested or raped by their 20s, yes. Usually it's a pedophile taking advantage of you when you just hit puberty or after because he knows you're too young to figure out his intentions or protect yourself from a bad situation.

>it does not
How not?
Or is your microcosm of a world so limited that attention is of such stark value that rape is a pretty okay price to pay?
Quick google says one in six women are raped. My mother was assaulted. My ex girlfriend was touched by her grandfather.
Frankly speaking yes, most females end up experiencing sexual assault during their lives.

>Or is your microcosm of a world so limited that attention is of such stark value that rape is a pretty okay price to pay?

Not him but men and women won't ever trully understand each other. Most of the guys are extremely attention starved, unless you are among the >popular guys as one girl said in this thread. So they probably can't really see it from your point of view because they'd do anything for some.
I know because I was and am very starved of any kind of attention. I'm 25 and I only had a girlfriend for 2 months during this time, and that was most physical affection I ever got. With that in mind, you can probably imagine that the concept of unwanted attention is something guys won't really understand, unless they are very high value.

But despite this, I think I can partly understand you. Yeah it sucks to be a woman if that happens to you.

Edit: I know you are not a girl, I meant in the general way, not really good at expressing in this language either, so I'll leave this here to avoid confusions.

Men and women are not equal.

And that is a good thing, because like all animals, humans are (in general, as a rule of thumb) attracted to traits & attributes which are most different to their own.
That doesn't mean men and women don't have the same 'spiritual value', since every human only gets 1 'soul' to sell.
Then again, women are more valuable than men because of their eggs.
Most men are deemed disposable when they're not needed to die for their country (read GDP) and unless they're a celebrity (handsome, talented) only their family (if they are lucky enough to have one, or made one by their own) will give a shit.
Most of the time not even then.

So really no, women and men aren't equal and never will be, that's why all truly great works (apart from the 'miracle' of childbirth) have been achieved by men who have lived often miserable lives for the sake of achieving that specific one goal.

Fuck now I'm sad too. Idk how to help, but I pray.

If it makes you feel any better at all, one user in 7 billion people is rooting for you!

F

Try and challenge my ideas, rather than challenge the fact I spoke.

Men engage in discussion. You're suggesting censorship to protect women from differing opinions. Now THAT is pathetic; women don't need your misguided "help"

>value that rape is a pretty okay price to pay?
what the hell does this have to do with ad hom

I want to have this discussion but I'm a terrible person to have it with because I grew up very, very, very different from my peerage simply because that's what deaths do to kids.

To me, the wanting of attention is a sign of a petty person, to believe oneself 'starved' is a sign of a complex most likely. I never once felt like the lack of attention I got from girls was something that deserved dramatization; I never did anything or thought anything girls were terribly interested in. I played vidya and read books and wrote shit on computers when I got the chance, I wasn't interesting to chicks. Fuck, I wasn't interesting to anyone. And I recognized that and acknowledged that. I think it is fair now as it was then to say that's my responsibility, as opposed to feeling entitled to attention regardless of what I do.
I started getting attention probably around 17-18 when I was leaving high school anyway, and most of that was from my older brothers' friends as I was quickly becoming less and less ignorant and frustrating to be around as I left the selfish world that is high school. But nowhere in there did I think I 'deserved' all of this or that attention was a something people were given by latent right.

I worked for my shit, and I worked for it because I understood the world was a shitty place that owed you nothing and more appropriately, you most certainly weren't going to get things out of pity. All of these people claim to be attention-starved but then they're completely insufferable, argumentative pedants with victim complexes. The fuck am I supposed to say? "You'll get used to him"? I just have no idea what they want, to be accepted for someone who's an abrasive shit who never stops to think about others or empathize in the slightest unless it's convenient for them in some way?
These guys never put effort into social graces, so they never see the rewards for social graces.

It's just that simple.

>I grew up very, very, very different from my peerage simply because that's what deaths do to kids.
Not sure I understand what this means

Anyway I'm not saying I think I deserved it or that it was my right to be acknowledged. Just that I really wanted it. If that makes me petty, whatever. I was just feeling lonely.
Indeed maybe some guys are simply too uninteresting or argumentative and other things but I don't know if most are. Maybe it just seems easier to you to paint them as evil, so then it's not really a problem because they deserve it. You'd also see things differently if you still were in the situation. Yes, they should work to change themselves I agree. But not everyone is equal. Some will have to work way more than others. And for some that will seem impossible and give up.

>These guys never put effort into social graces, so they never see the rewards for social graces.

When I was a very young kid, I was severely neglected by my parents who were not fit to be parents (first 3 years).
Then my brother was born, and the abuse started, both physical and mental. I guess it kind of ties into each other at certain points.
It didn't stop until I was 15, when I started defending myself and hitting back.
That's when I became homeless, until I was 17.

I'm 22 now and in a good place.
What I learned from all of this is all feelgood advice is actually not advice.
This world is cold cold.
Might makes right, money does buy hapiness, love isn't real and life a bitch if you let it.
I feel like Bane from batman, the light is only blinding.

All the posts by women hit me in the feels. It's so true. And the other pisters of bitter dudes are really just proving what we say is true anyway. Being a girl will always be harder growing up and by adulthood many of us are able to find enough confidence to enjoy womanhood best we can. Boys will never realize how easy their lives are and that's okay, because they don't have to learn to overcome anything, and will struggle more later.

I feel like my childhood was summed up in other posters stories pretty well. Brother treated a million times better in every way, boys being cunts to me, jealously from girls at school, sums it up.

That's what it is. Social graces earn social rewards, or else sociopaths would never play the nice game. It's cruel, cold and unusual but yeah, that's kind of the gist of it. Whether you're a kind person in earnest or not, kind behavior is going to earn more than unkind or selfish behavior.
It means I never fell for any of their games. Chasing girls, pulling destructive pranks, wanting to compete in all this shit-- it never made any sense to me. Death hit my family starting when I was 5, and pretty much every two years since then I've lost someone near and dear. Whether or not that's unique is irrelevant; what's relevant is that it made me understand the inevitability of death. So to me, all the facetious, superficial games-- and I viewed them this way then, too-- were all just a waste of goddamn time. They were bullshit, time spent wasting sweat and tears and blood and effort in something someone else profited off anyway or which actually made shit worse after.

Granted, I didn't go around waxing my nihilism to people because nobody gave a shit. I knew then as I know now that people didn't want to hang around someone who did nothing but complain, feel lonely and express this constant state of misery. I did for a while but I managed to get some self-reflection in and realize-- holy shit, what a WASTE OF TIME.

Now, far be it from me to not waste time. But you know, I figured if I'm going to die anyway, I really should waste it my way rather than in the big rat race. And all I'm saying is that at that age, I knew it because I knew even younger than that that I was part of a gigantic fucking lie that people desperately wanted to perpetuate because there's a sort of sacred bliss about childhood and its innocence. About everything falling into place neatly until children are 'ready.' About this system of exposures like vaccinating people socially.

Eh, that got away from me. Life sucks, wear a helmet.

>Boys will never realize how easy their lives are and that's okay, because they don't have to learn to overcome anything
Fucking kek.
I'm and you're a waste of air.
>Having a family growing up
Oh yeah you had it rough for sure, what a survivor you are.
Now go ahead and call me bitter.

The fact of the matter is that white knights are seldom what you'd call 'knights of code,' they're more of 'save the princess from a dragon' knight. You know?

Lol see. "Wahh nobody has ever struggled more than me." What a complex that must be.

Did any of you ever feel like wanting to do things boys do? I'm a male and that's how I felt in my childhood but I wanted to do all the girly things like playing dress up and putting make up on. Parents were extremely "boys will do boy things and girls will do girl things" so I grew up hating that mentality.

What does that have to do with my post?
Never did I say I have some monopoly on suffering, or that I struggle more than most, just you specifically.
What I do know is that for my age I have been through more than a lot of people in my life and I am now reaping the rewards for that.
You telling me I have a complex doesn't really have effect on that reality.

>What a complex that must be
The thread: The movie: The experience & Knuckles featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series!

You literally have no idea of my life except what you made up in your head so you could live out your complex. In actuality your life doesn't even compare but you don't see me trying to invalidate your experiences. I didnt feel the need to write it out because I have left it in the past. That's part of having a victim complex. You even called yourself a real life Batman. This thread isn't about you, it isn't even about boys like every other thread, so if you need more attention make another one.

It's to do with the fact that you're biting bait.
Open wide, user-kun, because there's no winning an argument with someone who'll happily watch the ship sink. No sense arguing with a wall.
Winning an argument on the internet and all that

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>You literally have no idea of my life except what you made up in your head so you could live out your complex.
Except you gave us some insight by posting you had to do some more housechores than your brother, and other bad experiences you had were already given by others in the thread.
>In actuality your life doesn't even compare but you don't see me trying to invalidate your experiences.
But you did literally just that in this post right here >I didnt feel the need to write it out because I have left it in the past.
That's part of having a victim complex.
No, I was trying to give you some perspective since you were pushing some 'boys have it so easy' bullshit which just doesn't fly with me personally.
>You even called yourself a real life Batman.
No such thing happened.
I said i felt, or could identify with one of the characters, probably because that's why the movie is enjoyable in the first place.
>This thread isn't about you, it isn't even about boys like every other thread, so if you need more attention make another one.
I was just reading it and not posting, until I read your mental vomit.

I guess you're right, but I'm pretty sure the person isn't baiting.

The thing is that it's a lot like "Being The Bigger Man," sometimes you have to decide that someone probably isn't going to have a change of heart or turn of faith over an internet debate, no less with someone who patently disagrees with them.

The construct of the effort-- IE absolutely fucking nothing, a zero-sum game-- is what should be the determinant of bait, not whether or not there's a line cast to a hook with meat. As it were. Mister Francis York Morgan.

Give it a rest user.
The whole woe is me thing is just sad.
You have the rest of the board for that.

P.S. Your experiences have nothing to do with your gender, so why you came to a "share your experiences growing up as a girl" doesn't make any sense either.

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I am the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the waters of (You)s, freely.

Amen.

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Guess you're right.

This thread was over when someone said 'life sucks' because that's about the only thing objectively true. Everything else is just waxing experiences and he-said-she-saids. Jow Forums isn't exactly a wealth of reason or rationale, either.

It's bait, because there is no construct involved. There is no determinable endpoint or any willingness to find a truth... only to assert one.
There was no discussion. This is Jow Forums, and we know what happens here. It was only ever our error for expecting otherwise.

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>pissbutter stop fucking posting holy shit

>Try and challenge my ideas, rather than challenge the fact I spoke.
>Men engage in discussion.

???

I'm sorry that your parents and the adults in your life who were suppose to take care of you failed you. I hope your day (and life) gets better.

Tripfags are not reasonable people, newfriend.

They never have been even once. It's probably not a misnomer to say none of them are stable people.

Subjective truth is still truth. It's when people started trying to compare their subjective experiences that this thread fell apart.

Everyone's experiences are subjective, Anonymous, and the thread prompted for subjective experiences.
The real problem was that people stopped discussing experiences and started discussing some level of morality, correctness or truth to the idea of various peoples' experiences.

Didn't realise men were such pigs in general. I grew up in a small community not really exposed to the reality of the world. I was taught to have some moral standing. Its pretty sad to think that it's not an uncommon situation. I dont think you can call anyone who sexually abuses a girl, a man.
What a shit world it is when this is how we treat the future mothers of our own race.

It's about how people raise boys in general that they are supposed to be pigs and rough. It sucks but that is the norm unless your parents are both angels delivered from god.

Being a little girl was fun especially with my grandma. She would dress me up all the time and take me to markets to get more outfits. It was having my hair braided everyday with big bows and wearing frilly white socks. In kindergarten, we used to pretend to be powerpuff girls. It all changed when I found my grandpa "asleep" on the floor. He died.

>It's about how people raise boys in general that they are supposed to be pigs and rough
It's kind of sad. I am kind of glad I grew up where I did. It actually makes me violently mad knowing other males are that sick. I really thought I was rare for girls to be sexually abused

They're only sad if it's the ugly/average guys or guys without social status doing the groping. Hot guys get away with it.