t. when no first amendment...or 2nd amendment. No Bill of Rights. Fuck this country.
We could have been like America minus the nogs when the Eureka stockade happened...but they pussied out.
Is it possible to love and hate your country at the same time?
Love the country, hate the state
Your country isn't the government
It's ok you're being accelerated.
In 2147 when your country is composed of trillionaires who escaped the worldwide collapse and you've been divided into corporate city states where the majority of the population is Muslim, then you can save the White race with your bare hands.
More like love the nation (people) and hate the government. But how am I to love the people when the demographics are what they are?
Man it must have been been nice to live in a society where everyone looks more or less like you and their cultural parameters are compatible with your own and you have positive feelings towards them or at least you don't hate them. And in a society like that you don't have to hate the government as much because when it's not poisoned by (((diversity))) the government doesn't get as controlling and repressive. Well at least the outdoors are nice around where I live I guess I can still love that.
>Is it possible to love and hate your country at the same time?
no. au is no longer your country
that is also a racist and xenophoic viewpoint,
au is a country of immigrants for all people from all across the world, not just white people, and especially not white males such as yourself.
The government is not the country. Now we know for certain that it was a government led push, make them pay for it through voting. Meme them into a massive joke. We have all the time in the world
a time to kill.
>The government is not the country.
yes it is.
govt = morality = country = people.
Get fucked glownigger. The government is a function not the country. The state is not the country. The state is subservient to the people.
We don’t have a bill of rights for freedom of speech because it is an inherent right, it’s not something that can be given to us, as such, it can’t be taken or amended.
>The government is a function not the country. The state is not the country. The state is subservient to the people.
the state is the people dumbass.its not seperate from the ppl. if the govt does not represent the ppl then its an oppressive hostile regime. if your govt no longer represents then you then your country no longer represents you and you are on the genocide chopping block.
>The state is subservient to the people.
That's how it should be but let's not pretend that is reality. We all know (((who))) the government is subservient to.
>We don’t have a bill of rights for freedom of speech because it is an inherent right, it’s not something that can be given to us, as such, it can’t be taken or amended.
no such thing as inherent rights. more dumbass enlightmenet non-sense, much like seperation of civil life and state life.
reality is you have NO rights. All the rights you have are the rights your society = community = govt, gives you.
Well that’s what they teach you in law school.
They can’t take a right away, if it is implied that it is inherent and not given.
(((For you diversity doesn't end
history ends for you)))
Do you honestly think any western government actually represents its people anymore and not the global multicult for the sake of global governance? Kys faggot the government is BELOW the people not above
State enforced education stating the sky is green doesnt mean its green in reality. A million people stating its green doesnt mean its green in reality.
The government is subservient to the people.
VOTE THEM OUT. The meme that voting doesnt matter is glownigger meme meant to neutralise your votes as donkey votes while still getting you to go and vote. Vote in smaller parties with gun rights and protections on free speech. Make them lose power.
>Well that’s what they teach you in law school.
religion 2.0
and we (the west) are now realizing that the world does not confirm to these ideals because when push comes to shove, people take away inherent rights like freedom of speech.
if freedom of speech was an inhernet right then people would not be able to take it away.
proof by contradiction.
>Do you honestly think any western government actually represents its people anymore and not the global multicult for the sake of global governance? Kys faggot the government is BELOW the people not above
the western govts represent the logical conclusion of enlgihtment ideas. Nation-state is an abstract political entity devorced from the people that is designed to enforce enlightment ideas like separation of church/state (civil rights), people are blank slates (assimilation), unalienable rights (hate speech), seperation of civic and govt life (we dont talk about politics), etc.
The problems we are seeing in the west are caused because all these enlightment era ideas are abstract speculations with no basis in reality.
>VOTE THEM OUT
Problem is, these are the cunts that are supposed to be for free speech...
Imagine what would have happened if Bullshit Bill and his Greenie mates were in charge when this happened?
There is no hope with either of the major parties anymore. The Libs are cucked to corporate/UN interests, and Labor is ruled by Unions/UN interests.
Greens are commies and adored by the pozzed hordes in Melbourne/Sydney.
We need a change - this country will be a Canada/NZ/UK hybrid pretty soon without a proper Conservative centre-right party.
Do you have legal precedent to suggest that your inherent right, with no textual backing, is so strong that any attempt by your parliament to violate it results in a law that is null and void, and incapable of being enforced?
The framers of the constitution didn't want to have a bill of rights either, since it might imply that our rights can be enumerated (hence why the 9th amendment exists). Nevertheless, they made it explicit that certain actions must be explicitly forbidden to the government.
>The framers of the constitution didn't want to have a bill of rights either, since it might imply that our rights can be enumerated (hence why the 9th amendment exists). Nevertheless, they made it explicit that certain actions must be explicitly forbidden to the government.
Turns out Jefferson was right all along/
Inherent rights do not exist
Rights must be agreed upon.
>Do you have legal precedent to suggest that your inherent right,
precedents are another problem.
rights come from the human mind, not a prior court ruling.
Yeah ok mohamed
The current state of the west is the result of secularisation being used as a point of subversion by anti western enemies
You can take you blackpill and shove it up your ass
Mate I am not suggesting voting for either of the major parties or the greens, start voting for smaller parties that actually give a shit about you. Stating they arent big enough and its a wasted vote is a glownigger meme meant to stop any push to remove power from the major parties. Just look at the asspain shooters and fishers caused, thats just the fucking start cobber.
No we don't. The US constitution is a thing of beauty because it acknowledges that all rights are endowed by our Creator and not granted by any state or government. Its the greatest political document in history. Lots of things in the US are fucked up, but because you have your constitution and bill of rights, you do have protection from your government.
Don't ever let the left OR right change it.
t. jelly
>The current state of the west is the result of secularisation being used as a point of subversion by anti western enemies
No you dumbfuck
When you say all peoples are equal then you get shit like open borders and redistribution of wealth
>by our Creator
Yes, by your parents, and by extension their community which allows them to exist.
'People' back then referred to white men, nigger
I'll be voting Australian Conservatives for the Senate...dunno who I will vote for in the House of Reps. We don't have any decent independents here on the Sunny Coast. Steve Dickson used to be our member, but he just got stitched up by Al Jazeera. We also had Clive before him - its possible we can get an independent up here, but after Clive & Steve all the boomers just want the safe option.
The Southwest US will secede from the US after the Mexican majority successfully agitate for secession all faciltated by the (((media))).
The Northwest US will be colonised by China so as to completely undermine US hegemony in the Pacific Ocean, Vancouver is already 43% Chinese and San Francisco is being used as their base in the US.
Australia and New Zealand will be vassals of China after it successfully colonises its major coastal cities via the unregulated student visa program in both countries.
Canada will be sold to the highest bidder, however Vancouver will be secured by China as part of its strategy to undermine US hegemony in the Pacific Ocean. The demographic push will then head south into Seattle and Portland linking up with the Chinese colonists pushing north from San Francisco.
The complete loss of the West coast by the US will turn it into a banana republic and global US hegemony will be over. This will be the signal for the Sunni muslims to implement their own colonisation program, specifically, Western Europe, where the population has been demoralised by the (((media))) and the massive casualties and destruction of the European wars of the 20th century.
Eastern Europe will unite to oppose the Sunni muslim takeover of Europe, leading to nuclear strikes on Istanbul, Riyadh, Islamabad and Cairo by Russian nuclear forces.
>actually suggesting that anything put out by sand niggers holds any relevance to anyone other than mainstream media puppets
fucking kek
>'People' back then referred to white men, nigger
no, because they would have used the word white men are created equal.
Perhaps I am just dumb...but wut?
You're a fucking joke, cunt. There was no multiracial utopia back then, the US was quite literally set up as an ethnostate, so was Australia. Cry more about it. You wont be doing anything but whinging cunt.
>Steve Dickson used to be our member, but he just got stitched up by Al Jazeera.
Who the fuck cares what sand niggers put out as subversion?
>You're a fucking joke, cunt. There was no multiracial utopia back then, the US was quite literally set up as an ethnostate, so was Australia. Cry more about it. You wont be doing anything but whinging cunt.
and ya and it changed? Why? Because people accepted all men are created equal which means all people. In addition, social justice & communism both want to redistribute wealth from rich to poor cuz all ppl r equal so if you make money then you are doing it unfairly.
you are a total brainlet that doesnt understand the reason the west no long looks like it did 50 yrs ago is because western ideas created this world.
Naturalization Act of 1790
Ah, ok - Al Jazeera...I missed the connection. I've talked to Steve a few times - he seems a decent enough bloke but One Nation attract too many crazies in my opinion. He was a state member anyway. Fucked if I know who to vote for in the Reps. I really do feel its kind of pointless.
womp womp, nigger actually suggesting that "all men" actually referred to the nigger slaves
kek
yeah ok glow nigger
It is entirely theoretical, the logic behind is, there are legal processes to amending the bill of rights.
Also by creating a bill of rights, it implies that rights are given to people by the government, I mean let’s be practical here, I don’t think when the bill of rights was first drafted, what constitutes a right was determined by the general public.
I'd argue that cultural Marxism and its subversion of our universities has had more to do with that than traditional western values.
Our systems of Government based on Christian values (noted the lack of "Judeo") has been subverted by the godless indoctrination by stealth of the Marxists. They lost the Cold War, but are winning the culture war.
wtf is a glownigger?
Yeah exactly cunt
Fucking lurk for two years before posting
>Christian values (noted the lack of "Judeo"
Jedism is better than Christianity
All the good parts of Bible like killing fags is in the old Testament.
Jesus weakens you,
>help the poor
>turn other cheek when people wrong you
In fact the entire premise of christanity is a death cult
>accept Christ as lord and savior
>forsake this world
>salvation in afterlife
There is a reason why no one in the alt-right quotes Jesus while a lot of libshits do. Especially Catholiccucks and why the Pope has no balls.
What made the west great was rejection of Christianity in protestant reformation for native white european values
Colonization into new lands
Combo'd with tech growth.
And here I was hoping for some intelligent dialogue...
welcome to Jow Forums
To be fair the only real problem I have with you is you're pushing facebook tier blackpills suggesting that mainstream media opinions have actual substance and being worried about al jazeera and
"crazies" as if anyone but parrots give a fuck
Fuck major parties
Fuck mainstream media
I vote for socialist alliance because we're already getting their social agenda, so we may as well remove money from rich people and give it to ourselves.
One nation is cucked to Israel.
I like the idea of just voting for the smallest and most fringe parties possible.
>you're pushing facebook tier blackpills suggesting that mainstream media opinions
because i did the analysis and realized we need to get rid of enlightenment values & Christianity because natural conclusion is democracy/communism/social_jutice to fix the west
replace it with social Darwinism as the natural conclusion is then national socialism.
Why can't we have proper constitutional protection of our rights as human beings? Fuck boomers, fuck ALP, fuck LNP, fuck the ꜱoyboy brigade and especially, FUCK JANNIES
>Why can't we have proper constitutional protection of our rights as human beings
because rights come from your creators, your parents, and your peers, community.
rights are not what is written on a piece of paper 300 yrs ago.
We are a rule-abiding people user. A piece of paper laying down the unwavering, unchanging rules is pretty fucking important.
>We are a rule-abiding people user. A piece of paper laying down the unwavering, unchanging rules is pretty fucking important.
NO.
rule abiding is confirming to the rules of your family and your community.
rules are in your mind
then they get written down on paper
and if your community changes, then the rules change
when in rome do as the romanians
when in africa, buy slaves as the africans do.
when in japan, watch tentacle porn
etc.
based
I fundamentally disagree with your philosophy.
Just look at your high court rulings against the liberal agenda, faggot cakes and hate speech laws. Your community might have changed, but the right people are still calling the shots because the shots are being called by looking at the black letter of the law, not some wishy washy concept of community cohesiveness.
>Just look at your high court rulings against the liberal agenda, faggot cakes and hate speech laws. Your community might have changed, but the right people are still calling the shots because the shots are being called by looking at the black letter of the law,
You are 100% wrong.
The liberals subverted the culture first in the civil war, suffrage movement, civil rights era, and now social justice movement.
>1st they normalize degeneracy like 2 men living together Bert & Bernie
>2nd they make queer content like TV Shows and Hollywood Movies, Queer Eye 4 Straight Guy
>3rd they put court justices in place that support these policies
>4th laws get changed
The culture is the law. 150 yrs ago, fags would be killed like they are now in the middle east.
firat they make that a crime, like they r doing now in middle east -> slipperly slope to transsexual rights.
The laws DO NOT PROTECT YOU. If they are subverted at the cultural level then the legal level will follow.
Ask yourself this, why is murder illegal? Because the govt says its illegal or because we, the culture, say it is illegal. Which came 1st? Obvious the culture.
Literally just was
Because murder is prohibited by the ten commandments and the first line of the australian constitution acknowledges and thanks God, because it was set up around christian morality which influenced its progenitor the UK.
>Because murder is prohibited by the ten commandments and the first line of the australian constitution acknowledges and thanks God, because it was set up around christian morality which influenced its progenitor the UK.
this is just the same argument
10 commandants to the jews
constitution to westerners
where did the IDEA of murder being a crime come form? And why do all civilizations have this law or a similar law. Human mind.
You christanfags lost, If any of the BS you said was true then society would have never degenerated to this state.
>mfw mainstream ISPs block Jow Forums
>a bunch of fucking stupid dumbshit anons actually email government offices saying hey I'm a user of a website the shooter used and can you do something about it thanks in advance
>here is my full name, my email probably connected to multiple things including social media, my IP and my ISP and all the proof they need to get a warrant to search and go through all my metadata that the government has already been collecting but can now use against you
I hope they get rid of you from the genepool you stupid fuckwit.
You're a fucking dud talking about philosophical interpretations of basic morality as if it matters, why not just talk about how chimps breed empathy as a form of group safety and insurance?
also
>christfags
and there it is.
Yeah blame Christianity for the fruits of secularlism like the brainlet you are, cunt. But always remember, these nations were set up as christian white ethnostates, and the only fuckup was removing those ideals, not playing into them as if zionist self destruction is actually christianity. kek
>t. when no first amendment...or 2nd amendment. No Bill of Rights. Fuck this country.
>We could have been like America minus the nogs when the Eureka stockade happened...but they pussied out.
>Is it possible to love and hate your country at the same time?
I have these exact feels.
I don't know what you're trying to argue here. We don't exactly have a better solution than attempting to change the law.
Murder is illegal because in a christian-based society we've been taught for 2000 years that you'll go to hell if you murder someone, and we had people lining out the door making sure that you'd get there quick-smart.
I agree that culture shaped the law, but thankfully the written law enforces the culture, despite how many insectoid creatures and soulless street shitters are imported. View are changing as we get more greedy motherfuckers demanding payouts and gibs, but thankfully there are enough sensible people being raised in conservative families that these rules can't be changed and subverted forever. The courts in America are de-liberalising as the boomer judges die off. Who's to say that affirmative action won't dump a bunch of dindus into judicial power in 30 years. Other countries had a much 'easier time' of being subverted from within, because the constitution doesn't protect personal rights and it's RIDICULOUSLY DIFFICULT to change the constitution.
That's the only thing holding America back from turning into the UK. We don't have that, so we're slowly sinking.
>philosophical interpretations of basic morality as if it matters
philosophy means love of wisdom in english.
So yes I am trying to use my mind to determine true wisdom, rather than accept failed religious Scripture
Murder is a sin comes from the fact that if ppl murder each other it stops trust
no trust = no ability to work together
humans are pack animals and hunt animals in packs, in our natural habitat
that is why murder is a crime
all rules and laws derive from reality, from the interaction of humans in their communities.
t. wizard (wise-ard)
holy shit not even close.
The fist immigrants were criminals, not like the New Australians™ who are doctors, lawyers, rocket engineers...
>the govt [...] is an oppressive hostile regime
Now you're cookin with gas
>Murder is a sin comes from the fact that if ppl murder each other it stops trust
Yeah thats all nice and good but what you're giving me here is the OPINION of a random asspained shitposter because you cant handle that written law has influence and because Christianity was the foundation of these ethnostates. Removal of Christian values is what lead to the current state of today, nothing else.
*White criminals and cobbers.
Your new taskforce is shit at this. You are a babby and you glow.
>Murder is illegal because in a christian-based society we've been taught for 2000 years that you'll go to hell if you murder someone,
read >I agree that culture shaped the law, but thankfully the written law enforces the culture,
Yes, written law like enlightment era BS enforces culture, which is what I was saying all along and the end result is the degenerate mess you see today.
bs like equality or blank slate = immigration and redistribution of wealth
cultural Marxism derives all its strength from the culture of criticism establishment and every ting and promoting western values like equality.
the only way to defeat our enamies is with a paradigm change. abondon enlightenment and Christianity and use social Darwinism, and science as your power base. which is how we are winning, gender is not a social construct but science.
>here is the OPINION of a random asspained shitposter
wrong it's a fact based on science.
we are animals.
not all animals have laws against murder.
why do we have it?
because we are pack animals and our evolutionary strategy requires teamwork.
this is also where other moral laws like teamwork comes from.
its all nature, all science.
Is that sweden's new anti tank weapon?
>not all animals have laws
You went full retard, cry more about Christianity back on reddit pleb cunt
t. brainlet
dont worry i'll be mired by future humans
they will learn of my high iq
no one will rmb u
>Is it possible to love and hate your country at the same time?
Oh yes. Very possible. Like holy shit, you have no idea.
typical narcissism from a reddit bugman
society that would give up a little liberty
Jefferson meant that all people are equal as moral agents, he was not saying that you can't have a border, a sensible immigration policies, or the forceful reallocation of wealth.
>typical narcissism from a reddit bugman
typical confidence from a high test high iq alpha male
werent u aussies supposed to be great shitposters
i smell weakness from u.
>Jefferson meant that all people are equal as moral agents,
which means u can import high crime niggers and spics because they got same moral.
Agree with the post but also cuck, prjedice is a good thing, 6th sense to stop yourself from getting hurt or killed
you pajeet
no longer a free country. sad