Christians: If you don’t believe Jesus is God, you’ll go to hell

At some point civilization was in the Middle Ages and those days Islam was more civilized. Bad argument

*in those days

Even if it was due to their stealing of knowledge from Christians from Asia Minor and the middle east

Americans btfo'd

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Christians believe that Jesus was one with God, not that he was God. That's the same thing that Muslims believe. Today's Muslims were Christian until Muhhamad accurately pointed out how the passiveness of Christianity allowed the Jews to openly subvert them.

If you believe he is the son of god you go to hell in Islam. So yeah.

Muslims do not believe he is one with God, that is considered shirk afaik

yeah, except for that time when he exterminated a few ethnicities

>he cares if you're a good person.
Define "a good person."

Who chooses who is good and who isn't? Good by who's standard? The God of the bible laid out the standard but I'm sure those law cramp your style and get in the way of your sexual sins.

One cannot serve two masters. The God of the bible and the allah of the quran are two completely separate beings.

>Christians believe that Jesus was one with God, not that he was God.

John 1:1-14 King James Version (KJV)
>1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
>2 The same was in the beginning with God.
>3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
>4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
>5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
>6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
>7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
>8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
>9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
>10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
>11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
>12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
>13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
>14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

You are lying.

>Christians: If you don’t believe Jesus is God, you’ll go to hell.
>Muslims: If you believe Jesus is God, we'll send you to hell.
ftfy

It's honestly just semantics. The Christians and Muslims have far more in common than the Jews want us to think. Also I have no idea what Muslim factions views you are espousing.
I look to Jesus for the base teachings of Christianity and Muhammad for Islam.

They’re both right. We’re in hell.

Christ is God.

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are pure cancer.

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Christians and Muslims have next to nothing in common faggot, kys

if you call on the name jesus you might just be
left out.

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It's a good sign, they are trying to compromise because they are losing.

Both are false Jewish religions.

Aristotle is correct. There is a first cause, but it is not a desert tribal god or a literal kike.

>The Christians and Muslims have far more in common than the Jews want us to think.
Nope.

Christians are taught to never lie. To always stand with your faith in Christ.

Matthew 10:32-33 King James Version (KJV)
>32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
>33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Muslims are taught to hide their faith in times they are being outnumbered or being persecuted. They call this taqiyya. They are taught to lie to non-Muslims.

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Shia are heathens that deserve to be butchered.

Religion doesn't make any fucking sense.
>hey, let's send the word of god to the humans.
>but only to a very small subset of humans in some distant desert. let it spread from there through word of mouth.
>also let us perform miracles as proof but only to that subset of people and only that one time
>don't give people born somewhere else and/or later the same privilege, let them figure all the bullshit out themselves through thousands of conflicting religions
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Would it make more sense to you if an act of revelation happened to everyone everywhere all at once?

"Hurr durr fuck anyone after Abraham"
Try harder faggot
(You)

Did you know he who does without knowing the imam of his time dies a death of jahiliyya?

Obviously revelation would be more believable if it were made directly to people, and not by way of poorly written Jewish fairy tale books.

It would only be fair. Why should some people get the message directly from god and his prophets while others have to rely on bullshit stories handed down from generation to generation.
Knowing how unreliable people's stories are it would be retarded to take them at face value. That's why religion is retarded. There are too many logical holes that have to be covered up with bullshit.

Nope, they were pagans actually. Polytheists.

Cringe.

Everyone thinks they are a good person but no one fucking follows God's commandments at all. Every atheist I know had sex before marriage, lusts after women, lies, watches porn, does drugs, etc. They might be "small and harmless" things to you, but they are all sins at the end of the day and that doesn't make you a good person in the eyes of the Lord.

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clearly you follow the one true God not some pagan moon fetish

Allah is not a moon god, that is hubal

In Christianity, the Beatitudes say the opposite.
>Blessed are they who suffer persecution for justice' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
>Blessed are you when men reproach you, and persecute you, and speaking falsely, say all manner of evil against you, for My sake.
This is why martyrs go straight to Heaven. While it is important to pay attention to life on Earth it is not the final place for us. So you must still love your neighbor like you love yourself.

Well Christianity wasn't a thing until the first century.... everyone was a polytheist if you go back far enough smart ass.

amen it's not just atheists with this problem so many christians think that it's okay to break the commandments as long as they feel bad about it they don't have to make an effort to turn away

God left 10 commandments and jesus left 1 meta commandment. God did not leave a tbd amount of (((sins))) to be created and enforced by you neighborhood pedopriest.

Good thread. Redpill me on Islam

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Allah was a pagan moon goddess long before the quran ever existed before mohammad raped his first 4 year old or pillaged his first village

We are to believe that God is constrained by some kind of necessity. Even the story of "salvation" is incoherent. If a real god wanted to end sin and death, he could simply will it to be so. He wouldn't need to go through this arbitrary process of incarnating as a Jew and then getting himself killed. Why do christniggers believe god would needs to jump trough these hoops?

Matthew 5:17-19
john 14:15

No I mean Arabian peninsula at the time of Islam beginnings. Arabs were pagans. And Christianity existed during 6th and 7th century.

Nope. That is a highly disputed theory. It was hubcap that was a moon god, and he is not the same as Allah, as you might think. They aren’t the same god.

Islam chased civilization out of the middle East. There is no Islamic golden age. It's a myth like the European dark ages, just bad Whig history.

Why would God choose one woman to birth the long awaited messiah? Why not just have every woman in the entire world do it?

Because He has His own reasons. He laid out the prophecies from the very beginning and followed through with it. Whether you choose to believe it or not doesn't matter.

What?

1 John 3:4-6 King James Version (KJV)
>4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
>5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
>6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

2 John 7-11 King James Version (KJV)
>7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
>8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
>9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
>10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
>11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Ok but what about the library of Baghdad. How did they chase civilization out of the Middle East.

>If a real god wanted to end sin and death, he could simply will it to be so.

"if god was real he would do as I say and think as I do"

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Agreed, not just a problem with atheists. So many faux-christians that think nothing matters as long as you believe Jesus is God.

Stop listening to semites

if you give a child everything they want and let them continue as they like without punishment when they do wrong you end up with a spoiled child and a waste of flesh. likewise if you fail to set the example for the child and live by the rules you impose upon them you don't have grounds to reprimand them because they will see through your hypocrisy. The reason Christ's example is so important is simple. No one has lived free of sin in this world except Christ just go down the ten commandments and check it for yourself you are incapable of keeping them all without constant vigilance prayer, and the help of Jesus.

If he were god, he would not be subject to constraints. If he needs to do anything, then he isn't god.

Every single straight man in the world lies and lusts after women you faggot
Christians are just as degenerate as Atheists
See: paedos and fags at the highest ranks of Catholic Church

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Taqiyya.

It's not higly disputed it's history. Allah was a pagan moon goddess long before the quran was ever put together there may be another moon god known as hubcap pagan's have many gods so it's hard to keep track of you all.

That is the stupidest thing I have ever read. If god wanted humans not to sin, he could have simply created them incapable of sinning to begin with.

Who told you Allah was associated with the moon? That’s bullshit. He wasn’t associated with anything. That’s hubal. The biggest moon god at the time.

Why would some people get to see the miracles in person while we have to rely on bullshit handed down 20 generations? At the very least it's unjust.
And I'm actually to believe a roastie that she was impregnated by god without some kind of proof?

Catholicism is a tool of the Jews. Catholics care more about their stupid man made traditions than actually reading and following the bible.

Don't be retarded. I'm well aware the majority of Christians are shit at actually following their doctrines. Just because one Frenchman is a murderer, doesn't mean you all are.

The theory is that hubal and Allah are the same but it’s not true.

source? oh right the cresent moon and star
which isnt an islamic symbol and many muslim scholars reject. it was the the symbol of the ottoman empire that was later associated with islam

The word Allah in Arabic is cognate to the word Ila and Ela in the cousin Semitic language Aramaic which Jesus and his disciples spoke. Furthermore, it is also similar to the word Elohim and Yahweh if looking at the etymology to the characters in the letters as well.

This is why you see Christians and Jews in Arabia referring to God the Father as "Allah"

You can make an argument from the Christian perspective as to why it's bad that they disbelieve in the Trinity of divinity of Christ, but the pagan theory is easily disputed. You can see this in how during the time of the rise of Islam and after that Jews were permitted by their religious leaders to pray with Muslims if only a synagogue was unavailable although not with Christians due to their similar belief in the oneness of God.

Islamic flaga literally have crescent moon on them.

he didn't HAVE to die for our sins, he could've left us to our own devices, that is what makes the Crucifixion so incredible. He loved us so much he came down to us in human form as Jesus Christ, to set the example of how one should live their earthly life by rebuking the world, removing themselves from sin and striving to follow the righteous word of God (jews hated him for this so they conspired to have him killed). Then he died willingly to pay the price of all our sin overcame death itself and offered to be an advocate on our behalf befor the father that we may find forgiveness for our wickedness and iniquity our own inability to remove ourselves from sin that we might find eternal life and not have to suffer the cost of sin which is eternal death.

well then I guess Jesus is in hell for healing someone on a sunday /s

Thank you for that, user.
Christ be with you.

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Wrong. Moses never sinned in the Bible, neither did John the Baptist.

>christianity
>founded when a man return from death and become god.
>islam
>600 years later from christianity
>some faggot saw a falling star and made a religion out of that.
GEE I WONDER.

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Islam=Judaism

You have to go back, Ahmed. Your country needs you.

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Islam is a pagan cult, they do not worship the same God as the bible and you can tell because Allah and God act completely differently in their teachings / commandments. The reason why muslims and christians will never get along is because God gave us free will to choose where allah told muslims to kill anyone who disagrees.
God leads out of LOVE Allah leads out of FEAR. To claim the two are synonymous is ridiculously uninformed at best and blasphemous at worst.

Low IQ post.

>Then he died willingly to pay the price of all our sin overcame death itself
To whom is he paying this price? What price? Why is there a price in the first place? Do you understand how stupid you are?

He is God. He exists outside of time and can see the beginning and the end. He has His own mind and His own reason.

But of course you a being subjected to time, space, and matter that will live at most seventy years totally knows so much.

You want a nanny that sticks your binky back in your mouth every time you spit it out.

>Why would some people get to see the miracles in person
Because they were there? Because that was one of the many prophecies laid out in the OT?

>while we have to rely on bullshit handed down 20 generations?
Because we are unfortunately subjected to time, and time passes.

>And I'm actually to believe a roastie that she was impregnated by god without some kind of proof?
First, it was a prophecy from the very first few pages of Genesis.
Second, God demands faith.

Matthew 16:4 King James Version (KJV)
>4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

You can choose to believe whatever you want. It is YOUR choice.

Matthew 12:11-13 King James Version (KJV)
>11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
>12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
>13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.

Mark 2:27-28 King James Version (KJV)
>27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
>28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

1.Sunday isn't sabbath sunday is the first day not the seventh that God rested, blessed and hallowed read genesis
2. Jesus had no sin in him and doing the lord's work on the sabbath is not sin so long as you are glorifying God as Jesus did and not ones own self.

All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

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>Christians: If you don’t believe Jesus is God, you’ll go to hell.

"Behold my beloved son in whom i am well pleased" - God

The offspring of a monkey is monkey
The offspring of God is God

"Behold my beloved 9 year old wife who pleases me well" - Muhammed

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The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind

Read it

>To whom is he paying this price?
The Law

>What price?
Death is the wage of sin.

>Why is there a price in the first place?
Order.

>Do you understand how stupid you are?
Do you?

Your entire argument is "God is not like me, does not think like me, does not do as I do therefore he does not exist."

Jesus Christ, our Holy Messiah is subservient and inferior to our Lord in every was whatsoever.

Being one with God and a "son" of God does not make him equal in any sense to the Father. Other prophets including Moses and Abraham were given such distincitions with Moses himself being the only prophet in the Bible to speak directly to God himself without Gabriel.

Trinitarians like to spout out "Before Abraham was, I am" as disputing all of that, but examine how many more times Jesus singles out himself and even chastises others who take venerate him beyond common respect.

Conttt

Sin isn't something God created, he created Lucifer lucifer grew too egotistical and sought to overthrow God, he rebelled thus became the father of sin (goes back to that free will thing that people like to pretend Christians don't believe in) . The wages of sin are death, when God created man Lucifer got jelly and tricked man through woman to rebel against God (again free will, and deception) he infected our race with sin like a disease 6,000 years later God is still cleaning up the mess Lucifer made with Adam and Eve because all of us are infected with the original sin of rebellion against God. This is why it's impossible for someone to follow the ten commandments without prayer to jesus Christ for assistance and if you don't believe you can try yourself you'll see you can't. God wrote the commandments on stone tablets that we might understand sin so we would have a guide of how one could live a holy life, but like the stone they were written on people turned away from God and sinned they chose to love their sin more than God's commandments knowing full well the wages of sin are death.

You're welcome. Bless you as well.

Which type of pill is this?

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Where is the fun in that? You have the freewill given to you by God to believe or not believe. He still loves you either way. It is not about God rejecting you but you rejecting God. This is how we know God is all loving. He gives you the choice. It is not some vain attempt to make His creations (made in His image mind you) worship Him.

Humans knew no sin until after the Fall. So we were created to be incapable, or maybe a better way to put it would be we were created to not know sin. But after eating the forbidden fruit from the Tree of Knowledge our eyes were opened. What’s the first thing that happened? Realized we were naked and tried to hide from God. Never did that before. Again, God gave us the freewill to do what we choose even if it is against His own will or prohibitions. And later on God came back as Jesus Christ to save us from the original sin of our progenitors.

John 1:1-14 King James Version (KJV)
>1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
>2 The same was in the beginning with God.
>3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
>4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
>5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
>6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
>7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
>8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
>9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
>10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
>11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
>12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
>13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
>14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth

All things were made by him. Now, to Genesis

Genesis 1 King James Version (KJV)
>1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Uh-oh.

before Abraham was I am

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not [a]comprehend it.
The jews tried to stone Jesus twice for revealing himself to be one with God. Jesus is God the son, The Lord is God the father and the holy spirit is God the spirit which jesus uses to help us, communicate with us through prayer ect ect.

Jesus is not a God, he is a Son of God

Jesus is God
if you are a scripture following christian you can't dispute this.

Christianity attached to the greatest race and civilization, Islam attached itself to a bunch of inbred pakis.

The choice is easy if you have to choose one.

>The Law
So god is subject to The Law?
>Death is the wage of sin.
Why? If God willed it to be so, then he could just as easily will it not to be so or will one of any infinite number of alternative possibilities. Why is sin even possible to begin with?

>Your entire argument is "God is not like me, does not think like me, does not do as I do therefore he does not exist."
No, my argument is that the Christian god, as presented by Christian theology, is not absolute, is subject to necessity, therefore does not meet the qualifications for being "god."

>Mark12:29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[a] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[b] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[c] There is no commandment greater than these.”

Notice how Jesus says "OUR" God in a collective sense. It is considered by most Christian historians that the book of Mark is the most verifiable and oldest out of the New Testament and this speaks to that truth.

>Mark13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father

Another example in showing the humility, humanity, and limitations of Holy Christ by showing how he is very much separate and inferior to God.

It's simple.
Jesus is God and Muhammad was a liar, a paedophile and a warmonger.

>Sin isn't something God created
If he created the potential for sin, then he created sin. He set the parameters for creation, which includes sin. Why is your god such a failure that he cannot create beings that act as he designed them to act?