For over a year and a half now I have been performing oral sex on my boss (we are both women) every friday in order to get the weekend off and an extra week of vacation a year. I don't even really remember how this arrangement started anymore, one day it just did. I am straight, I do it for the benefits.
Yesterday, my boyfriend asked me to marry him, I accepted and then immediately afterwards went into my room and started crying. I'm at a position now where I feel like I'll either have to lose my job or my relationship. What do I do?
Dunno, in my country its very easy to find new job and very hard to find love. Is it the same where you live as well?
Leo Brown
Hot as fucking shit my girl.
Can you describe it in far greater detail than my mind can imagine? Please if you will be as detailed as possible i will be very happy.
Aaron Butler
Pretty much the opposite. The job I have is not amazing as it is but it was the only one I could find being that I have no qualifications at all. I work at a small shop and she is the owner. I'm afraid if I leave it and get married I'll just become a housewife.
Brody Reed
How old is the shop owner?
Evan Jones
White clever people invented a mechanism where they are secretly looking for new job while they keep appearances for the old job and keep their true intentions hidden. Pretend you are clever and white for once.
What do you mean by oral? Just kissing or something more serious?
Justin Barnes
This is the hottest thing I've heard in a while.
Maybe your boss I'll understand circumstances are different now?
Jackson Jenkins
... Oral sex. Not kissing. She sits down and I do it. Usually in her office at the back or sometimes in her car.
Adam Hughes
Why does this need to be a relationship ending thing? Do you enjoy pleasing your boss? You made it sound like you did not, but if you didn't, I would assume you would have gotten out of there sooner. Why does this need to affect your relationship/marriage? This is the women's empowerment era. Do what you want to to keep your job and your relationship happy. They do not need to be mutually exclusive.
OR, get some pics/audio/video of her demanding you do this and blackmail her. If you do, post on here for us degenerates HA!
larping goes both ways. we like to larp advice as much as these people larp asking for it. That's what I assume every post is and I respond accordingly. now hush up and let the rest of us have fun.
Ayden Cooper
whatever gets you off, buddy
Dominic Lewis
What do you mean? Do you really think that someone would go on the internet and made up lies just for attention?
Henry Reed
So you’ve been cheating on your boyfriend this entire time?
Wow.
Evan Davis
Do you really consider lesbian oral to be cheating? I don't. but I'm a degenerate, so my opinion may not matter.
Jack Sanchez
this. please dont let your bf make the mistake of marrying a lazy whore
Michael Evans
Its clear you don't want to stop and using the job as an excuse.
There are options without refusing to marry. You could continue to work after marriage and eat her pussy to keep the job, she won't care, you've had a bf the whole time anyway.
Or, he can support you and you take another lover while he's at work.
Bottom line is, you like pussy, admit it.
Elijah Walker
>Do you consider sex with other people cheating? Yes, most people do. Doing it because you want an extra week off is just weird on a different level. Getting a new job isn't that hard, you are living on easy mode, just go for it.
Jack Barnes
>I am straight No you are not. Its also funny these guys that perform in gay porn swear they are straight men. What a laugh.
Adrian Ortiz
The oral you give your boss sounds stricjtly business in your mind. It's jsut a way to benefit. I think you should have told your now fiance about this arrangement with your boss sooner as the sexual act can also put him at risk of STI's and such. But thats your decision. Since theres no romantic feelings and involvement with your boss I dont think its that big of a deal, but this is something you should have talked with your partner sooner
Ask yourself what it is you want career wise and tell your fiance you dont want to be just a housewife.
Also post a face blocked pic of your boss.
Nathan James
> Yes, most people do. > I don't. but I'm a degenerate, so my opinion may not matter.
Mental hangups. Get over yourself and the religious concept of monogamy and you too can be secure in your sexuality. You may even find yourself in interesting and fun situations instead of pretending you are morally superior on an anonymous website.
Justin Johnson
you can perform the sex for $$$ without being attracted to guys. Just cause it is gay sex does not mean they have gay feelings for the other men. I feel that there is a distinction between being attracted to guys and have feelings for other guys... and taking/giving dick for $.
Jordan Ortiz
Just to be clear, I do have morals. I consider it cheating, yes, and wrong, which is why I'd definitely stop for marriage.
As for my sexuality, I am straight as I have no romantic feelings for women. Do I enjoy the act? Of course, since for one it's been so long and for two giving pleasure feels pleasurable, but that doesn't mean much in my book.
Evan Gutierrez
naw, its gay
I know your kind. A married prostitute cannot cheat because its just my job and I get paid. Or its not murder if its my job or its not stealing if you take things from a corporation that has plenty of money since no one gets hurt.
Matthew Carter
Murder and theft is against the law. Adultery is against religious morals. And yes, I believe a prostitute CAN cheat. It's an emotional game, not physical. If a prostitute is getting paid and is doing it for work. It's a job. If she is sneaking around and gets emotionally attached to another guy, that's cheating. Go live a little. Spend less time on Jow Forums, this is toxic if you don't have life experiences to counterbalance.
Joshua Lee
u need to tell your man, secrets never stay as hidden forever.
Cooper Taylor
>Just to be clear, I do have morals. I consider it cheating, yes, and wrong, which is why I'd definitely stop for marriage. Do you know how your fiance would react to such a thing? Is he a very moral and righteous person? If so, stop and don't tell him. Explain to your boss the situation and see if she is reasonable. If your fiance has a new world open mind. He may not care as much as you think. either way, try to figure out his reaction before you tell him. Drop hints about lesbian stuff. Does he watch lesbian porn? you may not be in as bad of a situation as you think you are. This is a turn on to some guys.
Robert Clark
It would be really messed up. I live in a classic small town mentality where most people, including my family and his, are very religious. Everyone knows everyone around here and people make a big deal out of someone being gay still, and even though I am not, anyone other than us (me and her) knowing is more risk than I'm comfortable with.
I'm posting this as a thank you for the advice so far, since some requested it, and to further my point. This is my boss. She seems conservative and by looking at her you'd never guess she's into the stuff she is. My boyfriend occasionally swings by the shop to pick me up and has met her so no doubt it'd be more than a little upsetting.
Then my advice would be to either keep doing it in secret and enjoy yourself and your job and free weekends/vacations. OR have a deep conversation with your boss. You have not given any reason why she would not be understanding of your situation and you getting married. I'm sure she knows you're getting married. Be upfront with her. If she decides to try and blackmail you or retaliate by taking away your weekends and vacation, then work on your resume and find another job. The job wouldn't last if she is the kind of person who would retaliate. so, this really comes down to a conversation between you and your boss, not you and your fiance.
Liam Reyes
if you, your boy and your boss are really open minded. You can all marry each other, or live together as civil partner.
Look for States or country that allow, go there and arrange the marriage. Many places was done like so for LGBT community.
Adrian Bailey
I hadn't thought about that, so thank you. I am afraid of repercussions, yes. I know she doesn't care and doesn't value the same things I do. When this first started she was single, however for the last three months she's been serious with someone and I thought that'd turn her off it, but it didn't. I have even met her girlfriend in the shop and she seemed completely unphased, like she genuinely has no guilt.
There is also one more thing she has over me that I'm not sure I want to mention at this moment.
Christopher Carter
Monogamy has nothing to do with religion. It is the most basic contract between two people that you don't do that. Obviously it started back when there wasn't birth control and a man wanted to know he was the father and the woman didn't want him to leave her alone and vulnerable after she got pregnant but it doesn't have to be this extreme to be respected. If you have been fucking someone else for a year and a half, why do you not think that would hurt your boyfriend? Just because you get paid to do it doesn't make it better. Just because you claim there isn't anything romantic between you and your boss doesn't make it better either. Lying about it or not telling him about it makes it a bad thing, a divide between you. If you want to get freaky with his permission, go ahead, but that was not your original question. Not having gay sex with my boss doesn't make me insecure or pretending to be superior to you. I am just saying that it is a bad situation that cannot go on. One of them has to end. You sound like a very privileged rich girl, so you won't be in trouble either way. Just make up your mind and pick the path YOU want.
Samuel Turner
and I'm sure you also don't believe having sex with a trap is gay
Christopher Turner
this is so fake holy shit. >extra week of vacation >having to give oral just to get weekends off >otherwise youd work seven days straight >this isnt raising any questions hope you're enjoying your larp yous op
Gabriel Russell
Please read:
Austin Barnes
That is not me. I do believe in monogamy.
It's only saturdays that I get off.
Robert Rodriguez
And you seem conservative, religious and not the type that would be eating pussy at work but you are. Just because you (and her) are concerned about being gay so you hide the fact you both are. Its what every gay and lesbian deals at some point. Lets hide and/or deny and then it never happened.
Jack Foster
I'm the person you linked and I'm not the OP. you framed your retort as if I was the OP. And no it's not a contract. Not till you're married. Then it is a binding, signed, contract. Until then, BFs and GFs are social and moral constructs that people believe mean something special. they do not.
Isaac Peterson
Youre a fucking retard. Next time she wants you to do it record it with a phone and say "no". If she tries to get you have you fired or make your life at work hell report her to whoever is superior and HR and make up a story about how she manipulated you into it. And tell your boyfriend. This is the kind of shit that will haunt you for the rest of your relationship, whether you stop or not.
Colton Price
This is what closeted lesbians do. They have sex in private and put on a charade for the public with a relationship with a man.
Nathaniel Taylor
Please try to read all my posts. I'm being as honest as possible and I'll try to be fair here, she never forced me or demanded it. It's something that came up in a conversation a long time ago and I thought she was joking but as it turns out she wasn't, and in any case, I agreed to it and haven't felt like I was able to stop since then. There is also no higher power, she's the owner.
Elijah Jenkins
If you feel like you can have that conversation with her, then you really need to before the next time you go down on her. It seems you have made up your mind that doing this is no longer something you want to do. If she is a reasonable woman, she will listen and understand your feelings. This seems like it should be much easier than breaking it off with a male boss. Do you have any reason to believe she will not allow you to break it off with her?
Julian Martin
The boss doesn't want to be outed and OP knows it. Its beneficial and she loves the pussy so she doesn't want it to end. If OP's boss were a man she'd be sucking his dick for time off. Its the same thing women do for weed or a ride home or a tattoo or 20 bucks when they're a little short on cash.
Actually, OP has a great set up, knowing neither the community or her fiancee suspect what the women are doing when the door is locked. If the boss were a man it may have been exposed already.
Jaxson Perez
but user, OP doesn't really want to take this way out but to continue. She's not being honest about her sexuality.
Kevin James
I keep trying, but it seems others are adamant on giving bad advice or degrading you. Don't let them. You know what you need to do to fix this. Figure out your feelings and have the conversation with your boss that you need to. Fuck these incels and their delusions.
Nicholas Butler
I'd definitively go with the "I can't perform oral on you anymore due to getting married sorry" angle. Losing the vacation time will suck but you'll survive.
Isaac Young
Ya she does. Honest with her sexuality has nothign to do with this. She needs to come to terms with what she wants. If it is to keep up both relationships, then she needs to work on that. If she wants to be loyal to her fiance, then she needs to work on that by talking to her boss about stopping their relationship.
Brody Fisher
I don't think she'd be evil or anything of the sort but I am paranoid. One of having to explain why I'm suddenly working more hours, which ironically would probably raise my boyfriend's suspicion, and two because she has a video. This is the thing I didn't want to mention.
And despite the comments I am being honest about my feelings, you can ask anything and I'll answer honestly. I do like the benefits, I like the weekend off, sometimes I get extra "sick days" and overall I had a lot more free time to work on things I really want and spend time with my family, I like all of this, and I might as well enjoy the act since I'm doing it weekly for over a year, but that still doesn't change my mind about my own feelings.
Juan Turner
If you talk to her about it in the right way, she might even let you keep some of those benefits. Especially if you don't believe she will be evil about it. Or she could agree with you but talk you into continuing. It does not seem like you want to, but you said enjoy the benefits and don't mind the act of it. This is all something you really can't just take advice for. You need to figure out what you are comfortable with doing. Everyone has secrets and you need to be secure in whatever decision you make. Either cut things off with her and live with the more work hours, or keep it a tight secret and enjoy your extra time with your fiance. you will be fine either way as long as you accept your own decision and can live with it.
Ryder Hall
>Im cheating >Im as honest as possible No youre not. Youre a lying whore.
Ryan Phillips
and if you discover your fiancee was sucking his bosses dick for over a year you would think what?
Caleb Johnson
hott (not OP)
Christian Collins
I don't know. I wouldn't mind continuing with it, it's just the marriage that put everything into question. It's a strange thing to talk about because when I first started I thought about it constantly and with a lot of guilt, but lately it was sort of routine. Only now I am reconsidering the situation.
It'd be terrible and I'd probably end the relationship.
Aaron Perry
Also one more thing I'll add to this: I am afraid if I stop and I'm out of it for a long time, and I forget this "routine," I'll think about it and it's gonna kill me inside until I have to tell him. Because a lot of things would seem super messed up in retrospect. There were times when we did our thing in the back office and then immediately afterwards he was there waiting to pick me up, I'd go and kiss him like nothing happened. That's sick to think about, but when you're doing it for so long it doesn't even register.
Camden Wood
Just do everyone involved a favor and tell him about it now.
Kayden Allen
If you take my advice and talk to her and end it, DO NOT ruin your relationship with your BF by being guilty and telling him. think of it as part of your past life. If you tell him, NOTHING good will come of it. Keep it a secret. You can feel like you are burning up on the inside by not telling him. But it is WAY more of a fuck up if he leaves you over it. I generally like to give advice that leads the person to figure out what they really want. But in this situation, not telling him is the only answer that will keep you both happy.
Do you watch GoT? If so, the newest episode has exactly your same situation. Except john fucked up and told people. Now it is no longer a secret and will hurt everyone.
Jacob Johnson
>It'd be terrible and I'd probably end the relationship. Ah, and thus the hypocrite shows their true morality. Rules for thee, but not for me.
Caleb Moore
How do you get pussy smell/taste out of your mouth and off your face for him if he was right there? That is a persistent odor.
Brody Ward
> It'd be terrible and I'd probably end the relationship. Would it though? Does it really matter if he has no attraction and no emotional relationship with the boss. If it is ok one way, it needs to be ok the other. If not, then you need to do some soul searching and figure out what you really are about in life and what your beliefs and morals are. Whatever you conclude for yourself is OK. you just need to stick by your choices and live the way you feel is right. It is not the same for everyone.
And just so you know where I stand and where my beliefs lay, I believe that non-emotional gay/lesbian relationships are ok and should be praised, not demonized. Sex for fun is a thing that, in this day and age, can be appreciated.
Adrian Gonzalez
water and a towel. Wash your face.
Julian Morgan
I have answered this here I also wanna make it clear it's not outright sex, I only pleasure her. She has asked to pleasure me but I have refused and she understands. She's also never seen me nude, only my breasts about twice.
Jonathan Richardson
I guess someone saw "The Favourite."
Jaxson Davis
Then I feel like you have the answers you need to help yourself out of this situation: Talk to your boss, end it DON'T tell your fiance unless you want that to end too. you're welcome!
Colton Cooper
>It'd be terrible and I'd probably end the relationship. Yikes. You feel this way and yet you're doing that to him?
Leo Hill
>Just to be clear, I do have morals. I consider it cheating, yes, and wrong, which is why I'd definitely stop for marriage
So him sucking off his boss while you're not married is bad, but at the same time you do not adhere to your own standards. You think it is wrong but you keep doing it. You should tell your fiance to save him spending a lifetime with a whore like you who licks her boss' pussy to get some time off. That's what you literally are: a prostitute. You get a reward for sexual acts.
Liam Adams
wow so edgy guys. I love how you incels always get off to attempting to degrade women online but are totally incapable of having a conversation with a woman in real life. Great job there. Keep up the good work. We continue to LOL at you.
Levi Fisher
Yeah because my post definitely screams incel.
OP has admitted that she would probably end the relationship with her bf if she found out he was having gay oral sex with his boss and yet she's been doing exactly that behind his back for over a year.
My post doesn't degrade her for doing so, just directly addresses her hypocrisy. People are so quick to trigger and throw the incel word around as if anyone who questions OP in any way about her cheating is trying to degrade her and is incapable of having a simple conversation.
Sounds like you need to stop performing oral sex on your boss. You’re married, something is going to have to be sacrificed.
What more advice do you need?
Colton Murphy
It's a trigger term. Seems to have worked on you. I wounder why?... shaming is not having a discussion or conversation or advice. What part of your comment actually helped her in any way? Oh wait. It didn't. it was a piss poor attempt at shaming someone. Be more creative next time, incel.
Austin Bennett
>calls out a cheater >wow so edgy waht? tell him or just break up with him, but that doesn't make you less of a whore
Charles Gutierrez
>doesn't make you less of a whore wow, you're so insecure that you need to resort to calling names on an anonymous image board? Top tier loser. I mean, you could have actually came up with something interesting to say or a creative way to say it. But wow, your life is so insignificant that you can't even muster a good post? I would say kys, but you don't matter enough on this planet to bother advocating for it.
Wyatt Martin
>whiteknighting this hard
Jack Collins
>not having a good comeback because your life sucks and I described your state of mind in full.
Tyler Cox
Where am I wong here: As I've said, rules for thee but not for me. Idgaf if she's licking her boss. But don't expect to pretend to have values or morals when her beliefs and actions completely contradict each other. Call me incel all you want, but we all know that she's not going to get out of this unscathed. She wants to have her cake and eat it too. I have more respect for the prostitute, for they understand that they are giving up sex for money. OP, however, is a different nut to crack. She claims that she's has morals and believes this is wrong, yet she's been doing this for a year. She claims she would leave her fiance soon to be husband if she caught him sucking off his boss, yet she is terrified of him leaving if he found out and has kept this situation under the carpet. So, she wants to have her cake of having a good loving husband while eating it too in the form of prostitution to her boss. This is simply a fact. Hypocrisy is rampant.
David Green
At least you actually wrote out a complete thought, I can appreciate that! >pretend to have values or morals when her beliefs and actions completely contradict each other We are on the same page. i tried to call it out in a different way But, people are dynamic and can hold two contradictory beliefs at the same time. It's part of the weird shit that is human psychology. But to shame her for admitting she is wrong and attempting to do better is a shitty way of helping. Help OP by giving advice on the future, not demonizing her for her past. she has consistently stated she no longer wishes to do these deeds and calling her out on hypocrisy when she already realizes it is counterproductive, don't you think?
Dominic James
Is there anything else for me to actually respond to? Any questions?
Luis Thomas
Who are you?
Jeremiah James
The creator of this topic.
Samuel Gutierrez
Oh lol. I figured you got your answers and moved on. I think we did a thorough job of explaining what you should do. Unless you have more questions for us or are still confused? Any way we can help further? I mean, I can turn on my degeneracy and ask for details on how it started and what you do to your boss. but that's simply for my pleasure.
Juan Gutierrez
I'll obviously continue reading until it dies. People seem curious about the subject but they are arguing amongst themselves.
Brody Powell
What is your favorite part about licking her? You seem to really enjoy despite being “straight” so what about the experience is your favorite?
Adrian Phillips
Ya, I'm part of the arguing problem. I gave my advice and proceeded to troll the others because of their shit advice. but if you want to go into detail, would like a >story about how it first happened. As much detail as possible.
Owen Robinson
>At least you actually wrote out a complete thought, I can appreciate that! >*pat pat* Good incel! Honestly, fuck you. If you had any sense of coherent thought you would've been able to pick up on it without me explaing all of that shit to you.
I can tell from what you wrote that you're most likely a woman or a really emotional man. "Muh feelings, do whatever you feel is right, fuck whoever you want" etc. etc. A functioning society is built on principles and truth. Hedonism degrades morality, character, willpower, strength, and so on. If you want free sex, go live with the Bonobos, who have oh so advanced so far in terms of societal peogress and intelligence. Monogomy is a sign of intelligence. To tread on this path is to be as low as animals.
>People can hold two contradictory views No they can't. They succumb to one view while halfheartedly "upholding" the other. She views this action as immoral and is continuing to lick her boss. She is clearly adhering to one view. Actions speak louder than words as they say.
>But to shame her for admitting she is wrong and attempting to do better is a shitty way of helping. Ah, forgive her sins just like Jesus. I am not Jesus. Humans, man or woman, think that with this forgiveness that things turn out all right. It is not. It only got to this point because he proposed to her. She did these actions because she wanted rewards for it. She knew it was wrong. But she did it anyways. Mistakes are usually accidents caused without thinking properly. This was clearly not an accident. This "mistake" went on for a whole fucking year and a half.
Liam Ward
>Help OP by giving advice on the future, not demonizing her for her past. she has consistently stated she no longer wishes to do these deeds and calling her out on hypocrisy when she already realizes it is counterproductive, don't you think? She dug her own grave. She knew it was fucked from the start. This was not a mistake. This was intentional. A mistake is when one does something, learns from it, and wishes to correct their misdeeds. She, on the other hand, wants to have her cake and eat it too. She continually shows her hypocrisy which makes me question whether she learned anything from this endeavour or not. She just wants to come out of this unscathed instead of dealing with the consequences. Fuck her.
Ayden Harris
>ow, you're so insecure that you need to resort to calling names on an anonymous image board? >calls everyone in the thread an incel >neat
Henry Thomas
I can write it but there won't be any erotic detail in it.
Pretty much it happened on a normal workday. My boss works right alongside me and we always had a friendly relationship as again the shop is small, it all feels very casual. We spend most days chatting between attending to the occasional customer. This particular day I remember feeling exhausted, I was being dramatic and complaining that I wanted to die and so on, and she jokingly said there was a way for me to skip work tomorrow if I wanted to, I just had to come with her to the back office. She always joked about stuff like this so I just laughed it off, but she seemed serious. I kept thinking about it all day and eventually asked her if the offer was real, she said it was, it'd be easy as she could just call the other girl instead of me. I asked her what I had to do and she told me follow her.
In the end I really don't know why I initally agreed to it, I cannot say or remember why it felt like a good idea at the time. It's like I just did it and then kept doing it afterwards because I had already done it before.
Isaiah King
> explaing all of that shit to you No, I want you to explain it so you have to type the words out to prove your bigotry. > A functioning society is built on principles and truth. If you were someone who the world needs or relies on, yes. I can agree. The best men make civilization what it is today and will be in the future. But for the rest of us (you, me, her, etc) we will never be known in history books, we will never dictate world or regional policy. So, you need to make the best of your place in society. That can mean many different things to different people. To you it's being >principles and truth to me, it is sexual freedom and exploration. Do either of us matter in any way to the rest of the world no? then why does it matter what either of us believe. >No they can't. They succumb to one view while halfheartedly "upholding" the other. Call it what you want, it is still holding two contradictory views and most people have this problem. I doubt you are excluded.
>forgive her sins I never said that. I said we don't need to shame her for trying to do better and that your comments are not helpful. I actually advocate for her to not tell her future husband and to keep it under the rug where it belongs. that is no forgiveness. Me and you, as anonymous people on the internet, are not in the situation. There is nothing to be forgiven by us. She is asking for advice, not to have us judge whether or not she is wrong.
>Oh yes, MIGHTY anonymous internet poster! please forgive me for this shit that i do in my life that in no way affects you said no one ever.
Brayden Howard
yup, hypocrisy is great, isn't it?
Carson Hernandez
Why’d you show her your breasts? Kind of unnecessary isn’t it?
Gavin Martin
It only happened on two occasions, one was months after the first one and the other one was like two months ago, not a common occurrence. I guess I also don't know the answer to that, both times she asked for it and in the heat of the moment I just did it, felt like just a drop of water in the ocean. She has asked me to take other pieces of clothing off as well but I never complied.
Kayden Nelson
Do you think about her or pleasuring her when you’re not around her? I’m not believing that this is as “automatic” as you want to think
Anthony Hill
> asked her if the offer was real how? what did you/she say? >I asked her what I had to do and she told me follow her. Explain. you said you don't know why you agreed, but you did. How did it come about? I doubt it was "lick my pussy for a day off" you: "ok, sure" What were you going through, what were you feeling? Did it intrigue you? Was it because it was something new? I hate to validate some of the responses here, but if you had no interest and detested it, I am sure you would not have been thinking of it all day. You had to of known a little what you were getting into.
Isaac Lewis
Lmao imagine being so much of a cuck that you attack people who call out cheating whores. Good job bitchboy, maybe if you keep defending m'ladys honor shell let you kiss her on the lips after she sucked on her bosses genitalia.
Noah Baker
>No, I want you to explain it so you have to type the words out to prove your bigotry. I never knew truth was so bigoted. >But for the rest of us (you, me, her, etc) we will never be known in history books, we will never dictate world or regional policy. So, you need to make the best of your place in society. That can mean many different things to different people The calibre of people in society determines whether it is a good place to live in or not. Interesting, as an example, how corruption and HDI are inversely correlated. This is to say that while a specific instance doesn't affect society, an aggregation of these corruption instances does indeed affect society. Do you choose to help society get better or fight against it? >to me, it is sexual freedom and exploration. Do either of us matter in any way to the rest of the world no? then why does it matter what either of us believe. Your relativism does not hold up in this world. Every stable society has principles of these sorts in general. If the majority of people uphold these principles, then it will be a better society overall. Hedonism takes into account the present and not the future. When not taking into account the future, you might as well be some person living in the jungle who has no care of industrial advancement. >Call it what you want, it is still holding two contradictory views and most people have this problem. I doubt you are excluded. This is the heart of the problem. The more people do this, the more society disintegrates due to a lack of trust, belief in others, selfishness, and so on. Perhaps I do hold some contradictory statemens, but I do not delude myself into thinking that I am moral under these circumstances.
Nathaniel Gonzalez
No, but when I'm finishing my expedient on friday now I sort of automatically expect it. A lot of times I'll just be waiting for her already at the back entrance. I don't wish to paint her as forceful or a rapist or whatever because I feel it wouldn't be fair.
Just like I described. I didn't know what the offer meant, I thought maybe I'd work extra the following week or clean her office or something, even though the joke felt sexual it seemed too outlandish to assume it was. When we went into the back she very directly asked me if I liked women, then told me she did. This took me by surprise and made the entire conversation feel surreal, because it was unexpected. She basically sat on her chair and told me I could do whatever I felt comfortable, and if I did, I had saturday free, but if I didn't, I could just leave and keep it a secret and we'd see each other at work tomorrow. It wasn't a quick decision, she sat there for like five minutes with me thinking about it. I told her I could try but there would be no kissing or deeper physical contact and it'd be as formal as possible. She told me to lock the door and then I pulled her pants down. The rest is obvious.
Robert Hall
>Oh yes, MIGHTY anonymous internet poster! please forgive me for this shit that i do in my life that in no way affects you
My forgivness was metaphorical. What I meant to say was that she should not be recieving any kind of advice regarding this situation. She should be shamed for clearly intentional and deceptive actions.
>>I never said that. I said we don't need to shame her for trying to do better and that your comments are not helpful. I actually advocate for her to not tell her future husband and to keep it under the rug where it belongs. You are part of the problem. You are what makes society go downhill. Principles are there for a reason. Principels are there so everyone lives happy and in a stable society under pretrnses that they have agreed to. Instead of dealing with the problem like an honest and truthful person you decide to play it deceptively. You think that she is deserving of a husband that has most likely remained faithful to her. I do not. Fuck anyone, man or woman, who does such actions. At this moment, she does not deserve happiness. Only when she realizes what she has truly done (and I mean by telling her husband and stopping this filth) does she have a chance at redemption. Her husband does not deserve to live his life only to find out that she was a whore. Marriage is a two way agreement. If the husband is kept from this information, the marriage is invalid because he married someone he would not respect but did so due to deception. Fuck you too.
I would also condone this if the situation was reversed. Screw you people who flippantly go through life not taking these things honorably for thr sake of societal happiness and stability.