1. All politics is ideological conflict. (progressive vs conservative paradigm)
2. All politics is class conflict. (rich vs poor paradigm)
3. All politics is generational conflict. (boomer vs their children paradigm)
Which view do you subscribe to Jow Forums?
Ideologies are religions rebranded to D&C people and allow the elites to run the state to their own benefit
>1. All politics is ideological conflict. (progressive vs conservative paradigm)
nope. politics deals with policy.
policy deals with economics.
>2. All politics is class conflict. (rich vs poor paradigm)
nope. politics deals with policy.
policy deals with economics, regardless of amount of assets.
>3. All politics is generational conflict. (boomer vs their children paradigm)
nope. politics deals with policy.
policy deals with economics.
big government won't let me stop minorities so i need big government to do it for me
You subscribe to number 2 then
I've never met a conservative who supported a hyper militarized police state? WTF is this shit even? Lefties have historically been the ones that supported the police state in the US. Going all the way back to Ruby Ridge, Waco and the militia movement. This makes no sense. You're just suggesting that because conservatives don't like #BlackLivesMatter, which is a racist movement that exists to impugn whites, that they're "pro-police state"?
No, that's not true at all, but they likely feel a bit frightened to speak up now since whenever they say #AllLivesMatter they get maligned as racists, which is a claim that can cost you your job, your family your livelihood and everything.
go back to Twitter, or....
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You sound like a faggot
>I've never met a conservative who supported a hyper militarized police state?
>uses the military domestically
Class conflict, absolutely. All modern political paradigms stem directly from class conflict, the Left/Right dichotomy itself is completely an aparatus of class conflict.
Ideology that does not recognize class conflict is itself a weapon of class conflict.
This will necessarily be true until post-scarcity is achieved, or industrialization is undone by pestilence, famine and war.
I honestly don't even know what you're trying to say here. Something like "Drumpf is bad"? I mean I don't get it. Obama literally militarized the police and the left celebrated him for it. The left was maligned as "racist" for opposing it or anything else he did. The whole premise of conservatism and the political right-wing revolves around a skepticism of government and belief that it should be restricted soo.....
Maye try to make a real argument next time rather than just post a picture of "bad man drumpf" or something?
>The left was maligned as "racist" for opposing it or anything else he did
The right was maligned as "racist" for opposing it, I mean.
>bring up obama who is not a conservative
why are you even bringing up obadman? he's not a conservative so you cant use him to defend the conservative position on this.
meanwhile Trump IS a conservative and he literally deployed troops on domestic soil.
I mean literally for 8 years the right was up in arms about the possibility of an impending police state under Obama and the left just WENT AFTER them for it. They called the tea party "racist" and the media ran edited videos to make them appear as a "white supremacist organization" and other mendacious stuff.
I mean for you to sit there and make the claims your making is so patently absurd and untrue, there's no way you yourself can believe the things you're trying to suggest.
This is your brain on hegelian dialectics
Jesus Christ dude. You don't even respond to anything I say you just say "HAY DONT TALK ABOUT THAT!"
Are you serious? The right opposed Obama's authoritarianism for the entire 8 years of his presidency and the left universally applauded it and maligned anyone who opposed it as "racist".
You have zero right to sit there and say "HAY DONT TALK ABOUT THAT!" just cuz you dont' like it and its inconvenient to your narrative.
OH MY FUCKING GOD LIBERALS ARE NOT LEFTISTS
LEFTISTS ARE NOT LIBERALS OH MY FUCKING GOD DUDE
LIKE READ A FUCKING BOOK DUDE FUCKING GO OUTSIDE DAMN
People are literally pouring through the border, you fucking (((retard))). Don't you have better things to do with your life than come here and annoy the smart people?
Also in terms of your OP does it occur to you that you're being insanely reductionist? "All politics" probably does not boil down to any one single paradigm or axis.
Actually, #BlackLivesMatter is racist because it is an organization that is design to keep black people in poverty and identify as a group identity of being poor and oppressed.
>The whole premise of conservatism
NO IT IS NOT YOU FUCKING DUMBASS
IT MEANS TO CONSERVE
IT IS RIGHT THERE IN THE FUCKING NAME
CONSERVE BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY
FUCK GOD DAMN DUDE HOW DO YOU FUCK THIS UP SO BADLY?
>I've never met a conservative who supported a hyper militarized police state
Heh OK well you're just saying the same canned lines that all commies say when they get cornered and can't defend their ideas anymore. You say this expecting people to just not recognize that you can't actually debate the points that are being made to you.
All leftism IS fundamentally authoritarianism. 100% of it. No exceptions. This is because leftism revolves around big government. Even "anarchist" leftism revolves around massive, totalitarian government, just renamed as "a mob" and it's a mob that is devoid of any legal restrictions to act against and murder or enslave the public.
>To conserve
>The fundamental foundational principles of our government, which is that you can't trust government and need to restrict it.
K then. Nice talking. Thanks for playing. You lost this game. Try again next time.
im noting you down as "no strong beliefs"
NIGGA YOU ARE SO FUCKING DUMB AS FUCK
LIKE READ THE FUCKING OP OR SOMETHING MAN LIKE FOR REAL
THIS
>2. All politics is class conflict. (rich vs poor paradigm)
IS THE LEFT NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS
THE ACTUAL LEFT NOT YOUR MADE UP I HEARD IT ON MOLYNEUX OR JOE ROGAN MADE UP SHIT
YOU ARE SO DUMB
Well just repeating what I said over and over doesn't provide and argument. And by refusing to address anything I've said to you, you're really just betraying how completely barren and unimpressive your ideology is.
this guy is why i subscribe to generational conflict.
fuck boomers
Typing things that aren't true in caps doesn't suddenly make them true though.
OF COURSE THE AMERITARD CANNOT IMAGINE ANYTHING BEYOND HIS RETARDED ZOG DOMINATED BRAIN ALLOWS HIM TO
THERE IS NO CONSERVATISM OUTSIDE THE US GUYS
TARDO OVER HERE TOLD US SO
YOU'RE THE TYPE OF BOOMER THAT THINKS HITLER THE FASCISTS WERE LEFTWING BECAUSE OF THE "SOCIALISM" PART RIGHT?
I CANT WAIT FOR YOU TO DIE
LMAO everytime people like you make threads like this, you can't back up your own points of view. You just say "Blah blah boomers" or "blah blah u dont know wut real commuism is!" like or stupid canned cliches like this .
I mean you guys just absolutely refuse to partake in any kind of real discussion because you can't.
I subscribe to MATH
>implying I'm conservative
I'm just here for the eventual right wing death squads
>he still thinks Republicans are conservative and not just democrats-lite
oh no no no, facism is the onyl way.
>THERE IS NO CONSERVATISM OUTSIDE THE US GUYS
I never said this. But conservatism outside the US isn't "right wing". Not in the majority of Europe anyway. "Conservatism" in Europe would be the conservation of the far left governments there. That's why you got Tories and shit that are so left wing.
IDK what it matters anyway. You guys just argue about semantics because you can't defend your ideas.
Let me say that again cuz that's the lynchpin of every thread like these ones on Jow Forums"
>You guys just argue about semantics because you can't defend your ideas.
I'm going to defect to the left in two years unless libertardianism, evangelical zionism and capitalism worship isn't outright removed from the right. I can't take it anymore. I mean there are literally mother fuckers out here who miss the point of conservatism even when the entire point of it is right there in the name. There is no hope.
this
>Ideologies are simple ideas, disguised as science or philosophy, that purport to explain the complexity of the world and offer remedies that will perfect it. Ideologues are people who pretend they know how to “make the world a better place” before they’ve taken care of their own chaos within. (The warrior identity that their ideology gives them covers over that chaos.) That’s hubris, of course.
You are a simple pathetic loser OP. Your envy of others is so thick I can almost taste it.
The problem is class conflict ideologies like Marxism also serve the interests of the elite.