25 years of literally no contact with girls, they've become a taboo to me...

Wouldn't worry about it OP.
Had probably 30 female friends slept with about 20 woman.
I've got to say I don't ever care to spend mental energy reminiscing on more than 1 or 2.

Mgtow has got some things right, most woman offer nothing except their holes.
Sad, but true.

>be not op
>just bee myself
>realize I'm deeply distrustful women and see their advances as ploys to abuse or exploit me
>realize I associate this with men's (including my own) advances towards women as well
>don't know what to do
>settle on nothing

Get a tinder, and if anything, practice talking to girls. Going in with pickup lines will get you shitty personalities, being genuine might get you something genuine. Depends on what you're looking for. Try different things, see what works. Spill your sphagetti? It's tinder you'll never see that person again. It doesn't matter how many times you fail, as long as you keep trying and learn from mistakes

Perfect, just continue being yourself and die. Just hang yourself!

Is going to the movies something people over the age of 18 do for dates? That seems like something I'd have tried to do in middle school.

I tried Tinder but it was soul-crushing because I have literally no pictures that I could put on Tinder because all of my friends are men and we don't take pictures when we do shit.

how do you usually fuck up when you get close? Is it more of a trying to be cool and look experienced kinda thing or genuine spergyness?

Absolute shit advice, man. Please stop before some desperate fuck takes you seriously

Through high school and college I was too anxious and oblivious to ever get a girl's number, so I have endless stories where looking back she was obviously in to me but I just didn't make a move. Once I started trying to make moves though shit always goes wrong.

Example: This girl gave me her number at college and we went on a date and went to the gym a couple times. She liked to come over and watch me do lifts because I was one of the stronger people in the college gym. One day she says she's leaving but she wants to watch me deadlift. So I'm bet over getting ready to pick up the bar and she walks like less than a foot in front of me so that my face was inches from her pussy. I don't know if she did this on purpose or what, she was prude and kinda autistic so maybe she was just oblivious. But I start deadlifting and while I'm doing it I pop a boner in my gym shorts right in front of her. She definitely saw it and got like a second-hand-cringe face and then left. I never texted her again after that and it haunts me to this day.

After I graduated I got a few girls' numbers in the summer, but literally every single one ended up going on vacation or moving far away for grad school so I got nothing out of that. A couple months ago I got a girl's number at a bar but I couldn't text her. She put her number in my contacts but didn't text herself on my phone. I don't remember her name so I had no idea how to get her number because I can't look it up, I don't know her name and there's nothing in my texts. So that was bust.

My life is like a fucking comedy.

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jeez user

That does sound pretty tough, to be honest the hardest part to get past is the first few steps. To answer your question from the other guy, yes movies are fine, for first dates you literally just do anything interesting to break the ice, doesn't matter what.
A lot of times though the best way to 'make moves' is to be straightforward. Almost stupidly straightforward. Don't try to be smooth or anything. Don't think there's any minimum you need to text someone or anything, a lot of people view going on a first date as something barely romantic, a lot of times it's just to check to see if you're not an asshole.
I feel you on this one because I used to have a lot of anxiety around that, and I overthought everything, but please just try being straightforward, as in 'hey wanna go on a date, maybe watch a movie', so there's no gray zones. A lot of girls do not get gray zones, if you don't tell them exactly what you intend, they will be confused when you try to go in for a hug at the end of 'wanna get coffee'.
I'm not sure if straightforwardness is your problem, but it was in my experience. Also nice trips.

I'm a good conversationalist and I have a sense of humor so that's not really my problem, I just don't understand the social norms for this kind of thing. Where am I supposed to bring girls on dates other than just going to a bar? I know people who would hang out with their gf for hours but what were they doing, they couldn't possibly have been fucking the entire time? How fast or slow am I supposed to move things? Like just really general things I don't even know and I don't know where other people got the answers to questions like this but I was never taught them.

To give you some insight, usually it's talking. If you're actually interested in a gf, realize that the person that you'll end up spending the most time with shouldn't just be two holes to you. Being actual, genuine friends with your gf goes a long way, and being best friends is great, because it's not only the person you see the most, but the person you put the most trust and vulnerability into. Just imagine dating someone for years, and then marrying- and living with someone who you don't honestly respect, or don't even like as a person. It's in your best interest to be friends with a gf.
That being said, people will hang with their gfs for hours because they feel comfortable enough to talk about anything, even if it's something stupid. Having an open ear is very therapeutic.
The general etiquette is that you treat the girl like you'd treat any friend, respect and all.
It really doesn't matter where you go on a first date, as long as you'll enjoy what you're gonna be doing. First dates are focused on getting to know each other, but it's a bit stressful, so it's good to do something enjoyable like see a movie you're excited about, go bowling, or see a museum. Even going on a scenic walk is nice. In terms of pace, it's all up to what you feel comfortable with. Put your trust in before your dick, even if it's something small. Would you rather have the possibility of having sex once by taking things too fast, or having sex five times a week because you got to know the girl first, and you genuinely like her. If everything's clicking? Great, go as fast as you're comfortable with, but small steps ya know. Like if the date goes well ask if she'd like to hold hands. Don't ever expect anything, cause that's where things go wrong. Just cause you went on a date or talked for a certain amount of time doesn't mean you need, or are expected by her to make a certain move. If you feel good about it, make moves.

I'm ugly and 5'6 but I have female friends and a girlfriend. I would say it's a cruel world, but you have to actually talk to females if you want anything to do with them.

Why do women never start a conversation themselves?

I can kind of relate, I'm past 25 and have never dated but had a few chances I turned down. I might try it eventually, maybe next year. Unlike you my looks vary between weeb to above average and good enough I guess to attract city women.

You know my life has been really similar as far as women go and the more I think about it the more I think it just stems from the way I was raised— my parents were really weird about sex and I think I developed this deep anxiety around my own sexuality and aloofness towards women just based on that. Then maybe that was reinforced by my own experiences after. Idk user, you sound like me and we probably just need to see a therapist to get over the underlying problem. It’ll be hard work but it’s not hopeless. Plus what have you got to lose.

Dude this guy doesn’t use paragraph breaks please don’t listen to him.

Get a hobby
Stop caring about girls
Look presentable
Smell nice

They will flock to you

go to a therapist. they will help you.

I have all of these but virtually no contact with women in 27 years. You clearly forgot something.

Get off your high horse and start asking women out.

>The irony is that I am beautiful and attractive
Well clearly you're not, because if you were, you would have absolutely no issue at all attracting women.

Rightttt, then post proof.

my fear around women is mainly due to my step mom. She was abusive and would overreact to shit.

You are actually into gay sex . Its okay,you need to come out to your boyfriend buddies , just use some lube you'll be a good cocksucker

I had a guy co-worker who looks like he would be the lead singer of a boy band or on the front page of GQ. Within the first day of him starting the job he already had sex with one of my female co-workers.

Guys who think they're attractive but complain that they still have trouble with getting attention from girls either really aren't attractive or they're mentally sick and girls pick up on it.

>since girls will expect that you already got a gf, especially when you're actively avoiding them.
I thought that when you have a gf, you attract more them
>You have to have a personality with the women
Yes, I don't have
>Treat the hottest chicks you encounter as if they were just average regular women
I already do this
>make a free online dating profile
It's complicated, I literally have to be a clown and entertain them for attention
>You have to be relaxed
I am, and how do I become charming?
Fuck, man, I already suspected, how do you deal with this fact?
I already do this
That will make me look desperate.
I get many looks and flirtations from them

This.
I wish I knew this before my first marriage. Thankfully I learned it before my second.

I guess that makes sense. But it seems like certain girls expect different dates/pace and idk how to read it. The one girl in college I dated wanted real formal relarionship-type dates and refused my advances when I tried to sleep with her early on but then this other girl I got with through a friend only wanted to go out to bars and didnt want to do dinner date/activity type stuff. So it seems every time I go fast they want to go slow and whenever I go slow they want to go fast and I dont really mind either way but it seems like going too fast or too slow is offputting for girls

>be me
>traditionally masculine in looks and manners
>loads of female friends
>guy don't like me much
>still a virgin
I don't get it.

If all of your friends are women then your personality is probably not as masculine as you think

Shit is hard, but there's a few things I can offer you. Look at their body language. Do they seem like they like you? Are they actually interested in you? Good signs? Then if you're comfortable with it do it. Small steps though. And communicate! Every time you're gonna do something new, ask directly. The reason for escalating in steps is that there are a lot of barriers that you will eventually break. Among many are touch (hands, hugs), the start of intimacy (kissing), sex (don't think too far ahead), emotional, and trust. These are things you wouldn't normally do with aquantances or new friends, which you and this girl start out with on the first date. Start out small if you're comfortable, let's say ask to hold hands, compliment on her on something you honestly like (be honest! Don't bring that fake shit). Remember, these things are for you as well as her, so if you take a step with trust, and she laughs at you, then she's an asshole and you do not want that. Don't think about it as a pace that women expect you to fill or keep up with. Think about it as a pace that represents both of your feelings, and if you're getting enough positive feedback from her, it should make you comfortable enough to take a step. It's not only hard to make steps when you're very uncomfortable doing it, it's bad for the relationship too. The best way to gauge how she feels is to be very open, and have good communication. Try and build something genuine, make the conversation self aware, try and get to her genuine thoughts. Talking about trivial shit for two hours breaks no barriers, and wont give you anything to work with. Talking about maybe, how awkward first dates can be, what you're looking for in a relationship, or what they enjoy to do and why they enjoy it might get you somewhere.

Also...
Don't think of it as bagging a girl, or "picking one up". Think of it as making a friend. Don't put a mask on, or hit them with some fake shit, cause it's gonna have to come off at some point. And if they're coming at you with that fake shit? Do you really want that? I wouldn't waste your time.
Also, don't think of getting girls' numbers as an accomplishment. Think of it as an opportunity.

I can relate as a handsome user who never really had a set of balls until some time in my early 20s. Chicks think youre a douche who slays mad pussy when in reality havent slept with many at all. My advice is to get your feet wet by dwelving into the realm of ho-ism and just go with the flow. I'm high as fuck so sorry if I cant help GL

Your story isnt that bad desu Ive learned to cope with awkward situations by either acknowledging the fact its awkward (out loud) or by simply laughing about it etc. The goal here user is to never be caught off guard, which immediately throws your mind off guard.

I consider myself a funny guy so a lot of the times I say whatever shit pops in my head. Assuming youre not super autist and can filter the REALLY dumb shit, you can get out of any situation. Now if I was in your shoes for that gym event, I would have just told her that her ass was in my face and that its been a few months since I got laid.

>That will make me look desperate

Nope. It will just signal that you are open for business.

>you are open for business.
Like every guy on her