This needs to be the future of Europe. It is the ONLY way to recreate a European opportunity in this world...

what about burgerland?

Fuck off, you're part of the problem

Although I rue the wars between us (and especially the mass-murder by bombing), you were hardly blameless yourselves.

tell me more

>muh blitz with a few ten thousand casualties all centered around London which triggered
>goes on to obliterate every single German city while the country is being raped by all sides
This is why people hate anglos, anglo.

>which WE triggered (in the first place)
hehe:)

Mosley was right. Danzig was none of your business and the absolute dreadful consequences that declaring war on Germany could have been easily foreseen.

its more about ww1, which triggered everything after. and it whas entirely about economics.

an economic system that is the examplary difference of mentality between the "anglo" and the other germanic peoples.

What is it you want to know?
May I remind you that you lot were on our side? Look what you did to collaborators after the war. You even persecuted Norway's greatest living composer: Geirr Tweitt. You were likely more anti-German than we were. Don't whitewash your history. Face up to it.

it never whas a high trust society but one only kept together by foreighn hirarchies

I agree. (Though I have little liking for Mosley. He was a silly larper.)

watch it kiddo, we have italian-americans

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what universal justice did we call upon ourselves

We chose the wrong side no doubt, but Norwegian WW2 history is for the most part result of a way too serious efford to win the post WW2-who-got-treated-the-worst competition.

Yes, WWI (and England's aggression from the late eighteen-hundreds onwards) was where it went wrong. There was a fairly strong party for the German side in England in the early nineteen-hundreds. They lost. And then we all lost.

Also this union please

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All Europe or nothing, retards

Why do you think I think you got what you deserved? Even if I supported the war against Germany, I do not support mass-murder for any reason whatsoever, whether it be done by my side or yours.

Dude hasn't this board taught you anything about the societal value of ethnic homogeneity?

>an economic system that is the examplary difference of mentality between the "anglo" and the other germanic peoples.
I remind you that it was the Dutch as much as, if not more than, the English who invented liberalism in its political and economic aspects. Why do you give them a pass? Or don't you count them as Germanic?

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4th Reich When?

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>We chose the wrong side no doubt
So why do you give your nation a pass but not mine?

Because we were literally a pawn in the game of greater nations? Because we didn't do shit to world culture in Germany just for the fun of it?

Sounds gay as fuck. Also, why exclude Britain and Ireland from your gay little fantasy. Southern Norwegians are pretty much the same as Scots.

Seriously though, Italy, France, and Spain... they’re pretty cool places with an equally great if not superior culture. Especially Italy. Why would they be vassal states of some gay little union? They don’t deserve to be independent?

Throwing the gay-word around when it literally makes no sense doesn't make you cool young countryman, especially since you haven't alluded to any reason whatsoever as to why it would be gay.

Stop trying to pretend you're a Kraut.

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Yes, because you didn't have the power to do so. But lack of power does not let you off the hook. You the Norwegians supported that power in us. You are as much to blame as the common Englishman.
>Because we didn't do shit to world culture in Germany just for the fun of it?
Don't belittle your own stance with such silliness. This idea of Englishmen gleefully destroying Germany for fun is laughable. For sure, we had evil men (as did Germany) who sought "total war" (namely, mass-murder).

>that panicked expression on SA's face

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How on earth did you construe what I said as pretending that I'm a Kraut? The mind boggles.

Overthrow your German monarch and become the 51st state. We require HuWhite blood.

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east prussia isn't "Germanic" tho...

Fuck off mutt. It’s gay as fuck because it’s the fantasy of some lonely Norwegian teenager which would result in my own countries unique culture and racial make up being suppressed by a much larger population (Germany).

She's not German; she is, like all European monarchs, pan-European. Furthermore, the monarchy is not in power. There is nothing there to overthrow. (I want a restoration of kingship.) Moreover, I am not a traitor and would not sell out my homeland to yours.

Oh and he posts this thread frequently and every time it becomes a debate about which vastly more populated Germanic country should rule over the Scandinavian countries... Britain or Germany.

Pretty sure if Western European people are the master race we’ll be able to work together without having a shared government. Competition between each other also drives innovation, if anything we should split up into regions instead of forming a union.

Racial make up not getting destroyed at a faster rate in current situation? Race-mixing between Scandis and Germans doesn't exist as a concept. Unique culture sure, but you could argue that the unique culture of our regions are getting destroyed already under Swedish rule if you believe that. Same with the German regions and I'd take it, all the other ones.

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Based Dane
Anglos are the eternal pet of Jewry , that said and God knows I hate you bastards not all of them are like that.
Some are actually genuine national socialists and are Jew wise .

What about the Irish ? You know genetically speaking we are as close to Iceland as Norway is ? We'd like to join and if the Anglos get any ideas you can invade from the other side .

This, based. And with the right kind of federalism we can defend the cultures as well as the race - and make the latter stronger than ever before.

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>we’ll be able to work together without having a shared government.
I agree. I hate big, multi-national states. Great things come from small circles. I'm even rather keen on the idea of a revived heptarchy for England, not that that is remotely likely, of course.

>Scandicucks wanting to destroy their independent nations yet again
Some things never change

you posted this last week

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>being mad they left you out of their gay little group in which they all become Germany's bitches
I am shocked, Nigel.

>
>Although I rue the wars between us (and especially the mass-murder by bombing), you were hardly blameless yourselves.

You are absolutely in the wrong how many peace offers did you snub ? Or rather your government who are also hellbent on muttifying you all out of existence , think about what's happening in your country.
How you are treated , a white British male and straight your the enemy of the (((state))) your women are raped and even children ,your soliders and common folk terrorised and we all know about the bombings and attacks but how many assaults go on everyday?

No you must have no illusions that Britain was right in any way , you weren't and the sooner you realise that the better.
Your government and that fat lumbering junkie Churchill should be looked upon as a traitor

>Anglos are the eternal pet of Jewry
No we're not. We are somewhat corrupted by power. Now, of course today we are Jew-ridden like every other Western country. But to extrapolate from that the whole essence and history of England is a slander against my forefathers.

You misunderstand. I have no wish for England to be part of a large multi-national state. I simply wanted to know why *he* would leave it out.

Beautiful picture Breize ? Brittany? I had a friend from there an oyster farmer nice lad .

He's probably just mad that your country did not immediately submit to the Charlie Chaplin impersonator and decided to only include only the most ultimate cucks to become Germany's ass washers. Honestly, if I were a German, I wouldn't accept them and their cuckery and hate them for it, but I, as an American, can only watch from afar and laugh.

> Burgerdemics "yet again"
The only way my 1000 year old nation has been destroyed is through ethnic replacement, at which enterprise you are currently occupying the silver medal-spot after South Africa.

I largely agree with you, so calm down. But I'm not going to pretend as counterbalance to our crimes that the Germans were angels. Take a realistic view.

>that fat lumbering junkie Churchill should be looked upon as a traitor
He may well be my least favourite Englishman, and if the world was a fairer place, he would have been lynched.

>b-but my ethno-nat
Ah yes, now we see the unhealthy seemingly Continental European belief that somehow civic nationalism and ethno-nationism occupy opposing sides on a scale. I give you a hint pal, they don't. A healthy country is both civically nationalist and ethnically nationalist, loss of either is a great loss for the country. Anyway, you are actually neither. You want domination by an outside cultural force and an outside ethnic force. It seems to be you are a cuck, but a different flavor thereof than your Socialist brethren. You want domination by the Germans, they want domination by the Muslims. Please, for the love of God, be proud of and believe in Sweden. Sweden doesn't need anyone else except the Swedish to succeed.

Yes, people here seem unable to take a realistic view of England's predicament in the lead-up to WWII. I am no fan of Churchill, nor a supporter or praiser of the crimes we committed in that war. But the idea that England would just sit back whilst Hitler did whatever he wanted in Europe is naive to say the least.
>but I, as an American, can only watch from afar and laugh.
Comfy.

Funnily enough, Sweden is NOT an ethnostate. It is a France-like centralist state of Svea people asserting dominance over non-Svea areas like Scania, Jämtland, Norrland, Gotland. Stockholm should be nuked and many problems would be solved

Read Pat Buchanan's Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War. Or don't since you just reiterated the entire theme of the book, Buchanan says that WWII is Hitler's War, but also Churchill's War, and that both figures were power-hungry warmongers. Of course everyone reviled at the book, but it is an interesting read nonetheless.

>Comfy.
I was until that demon-spawn Roosevelt ruined it all.

> Gets schooled
> Gives me "a hint pal" burgermode
> Starts rant about something else and strawmans my position on the question

I do believe in Sweden, very much so. This idea of OP's is what they would call a hypothetical were we can argue pros and cons and if ever seriously contemplated, it's the literal definition of a pipeline which would require generations of civic homogenization, thereby giving you the best of both worlds - ethnic and civic nationalism. I'll let you in on a little secret I hinted to earlier in the thread, our regional civic identity is stronger than the national in Sweden and has been throughout history, it was only through active lingual measures enforced that we actually speak the same language (as in understand each other) Norwegians still have that problem.

Interesting. Are the old ethnic identities still that strong? Do folk still think of themselves as, say, Goths (in Gotland) or Danes (in Scania)?

YES PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN
I WOULD GIVE MY LIFE TO SEE THIS COMING TRUE
Es Lebe die Germanische Bruderschaft. Eines Tages werden wir erwachen, wir werden uns vereinigen, wir werden die Eindringlinge vertreiben und wir werden unser Platz als herrschende Nation der Welt zurückkriegen

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>Read Pat Buchanan's Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War.
I was thinking of buying it some years ago. I shall get round to it at some point.
>Buchanan says that WWII is Hitler's War, but also Churchill's War, and that both figures were power-hungry warmongers.
Absolutely. People seem unable to take a balanced view. That was what me attracted me to Buchanan's book.

Putting it simplistically, it was a war of evil against evil. And evil, unsurprisingly, won.

>I was until that demon-spawn Roosevelt ruined it all.
Your worst, I reckon. Even more so than Wilson, if that's possible.

Historically the Swedish state has been very active at crushing independence movements, so it has been weakened. but a lot of Scanians hate Stockholm, some want independence and Gotland is rediscovering its language gutamal.org/ordlista/ . In politics, the differences are clear, SD is really popular among SD, and Jämtland+Norrland vote for commies to leech on Stockholm.

I'll do you one better

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Why are Danes always so Anti-everything-that-isn't Danish?

SD is popular among Scanians*

They are strong, as I stated above they are to some extent more identified with over our national identity but that also comes down to what region we are talking about and if that one has a rich history and a fleshed out culture. Strong ones would be: Scania, Dalarna, Goths (Gotlänningar), Småland, Jämtland etc .. I might have missed one or two. These regions have a distinct culture with unique traditions and a stereotypical, but true, mentality. We obviously all share culture within Sweden to some extent, but I think this factoid is often overlooked.

Nonetheless it appears this mindset has permeated throughout Scandinavia and the Benelux, it will take years to wrought it out, I wish you luck on that. Getting rid of Stockholm doesn't appear to completely solve the issue at hand.

Ok listen bud, once again I see this mindset at play. Do you know what nationalism is? Believing in Civic and Ethnic nationalism simultaneously. We tried here in America "to get the best of both worlds," by bringing immigrants (but it is ok because they're white) and teaching them muh val-yoos. I say this knowing well I descend from those immigrants who flooded the streets and lived in crowded ghettos and tenements much like the Mexicans of today. Even then, they never fully assimilated and there is still faint distinctions, especially regionally. You need to have the absolutes of civic nationalism alongside the absolutes of ethnic nationalism to fully succeed in these trying times.

>b-but muh regionull indentutee
We tried that, the Native Americans tried that, the Germans tried that, the Italians tried that, the Welsh tried that, the Greeks tried that, every time it ends in failure. I remember hearing the Welsh snickering about a village not far off being obliterated by the Anglo-Saxons and didn't care because "it ain't me!" You need to have united nations or else you will not survive buddy.

Well, to be quite honest they got hit hardest by immigration and I would think that's the major factor at play rather than "based" danish genetics.

because dansk = hygge. everything else is uhyggeligt

How interesting. I believe that the Swedes and the Goths came together rather early on (late 10th century). But I reckon it is hard to wipe out all traces of otherness, and that these traces will be there whether people acknowledge them or not.

Do Danes reckon Skåne-Swedes to be pretty much Danes?

Frem til den dagen kineserne kommer og voldtar dere. Da er ikke alt like hyggeligt mer.

Thanks. Really interesting.
It amazes me how well things can stand up to a centralising state over so long. Well, the old kind of centralising state. Modern states are a whole other matter . . .

we have to cleanse europe first

thats more important

>Absolutely. People seem unable to take a balanced view. That was what me attracted me to Buchanan's book.
People naturally want to have a side to root for, but sometimes that side is non-existent. Another example I can think of is the Civil War, the North was shitty, sure, but the South was as well. Sometimes the only winning in war is not to have that war in the first place. There was no winning in WWII, there was no winning in the Civil War, and there are also many other cases as such.

>Your worst, I reckon. Even more so than Wilson, if that's possible.
I hate to say this, but Wilson did have some redeeming qualities. He did segregate the federal government, stopped hiring and fired all the blacks within the administration of said government (who were mostly office clerks or janitors) and was an isolationist until December 1916, ironically just after he won his second term on a "no war" platform (like Roosevelt). Wilson's actions were recoverable too, we did recover from him and when we did we were better than ever. After Roosevelt there was no such recovery.

No you retardo there aren't any Svear, Götar and Gutar left. And there probably wasn't even any genetic difference between them since they were just tribes. I'm really starting to dislike you Danes.

No

The culture that all Swedes share is stronger than regional cultures. I've never met a single person from Jämtland that value the fact that they are from Jämtland over that fact they are Swedish. And I'm in Jämtland all the time.

> tried ethnic nationalism and enforce civic homogeneity in America
You sure made it a lot harder trying to bring Irish, Italians (big chunk from Sicily) , Scandis etc. There is both a vastly bigger cultural and genetic difference between the peoples you were trying to nationbuild with than would ever be in a germanic nation.

> regional identity tried
I wasn't talking about trying. I was saying that today and throughout history the regions (states) have had a much more distinct identity over the national but we were still manage to unify the country to become the absolute paradise. The unification of Germany, same there, merging in regions under a nation. Like I said, it would be a big fat pipe dream and looking at the US, it was only after 100 years or so that you have reached an acceptable level of homogeneity between whites. Although I'm absolutely confident it would be easier to nationbuild according to OP's plan rather than the american project ever were.

>People naturally want to have a side to root for
Indeed. But I can never grasp why people can't root for one side whilst still acknowledging its wrongs. I am a strong, one might say, hardcore English nationalist, but in that I want to understand what actually happened in history and also to acknowledge our mistakes and crimes. To be a nationalist one must want what is best for one's nation. Wallowing in error and crimes is not for the best . . .
>but Wilson did have some redeeming qualities.
No doubt, but that's an insider's/domestic view. I am thinking of his foreign policy: "making the world safe for democracy". Amazing that he was once an isolationist.

Social democrats are still popular in Scanian cities, its the countryside voting for SD.

I think Danes consider Scanians to be Swedified a lot, but yet with greater familiarity compared to people of Göteborg and Stockholm. typical view is they are Swedes, but almost Danish

Thanks.

>t. pozzed by state school system

I can see what you're saying and it depends on the context, but there is still a strong identification with the region and they all have their unique little cuisine features as well as other cultural traditions that are somewhat unique to the region.

Never? I've met a few jämtar who almost unironically support this arch-meme:
sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republiken_Jamtland

It's because the cities are filled up to some extent with liberals who moved in for the multiculti utopia they've imagined. The countryside are 100% scanian but still experience the shitshow when they head to the cities during the weekends to do heavy groceries or attend some cultural crap and let's not forget we still let the immigrants themselves vote so that will sway the numbers.

Fuck EU and fuck germans. They're all retarded immigrantloving faggots

EU is a progressive union, there is no salvation for it.
It will always be a fucking immigrantloving homounion so wake the fuck up you retarded faggot.

>Republiken_Jamtland
Why is no-one strong enough to want a kingdom these days? Republics are the political form of comfy boredom.

why is EUs replacement of all Europeans so fucking important to you you, do you have down syndrome?

>Italians (big chunk from Sicily)
I'm not even considering them here, their awful and pitiful attempts to masquerade as Americans is so sad and poor it is hard to even take it seriously. Moreover when they came they weren't considered Americans, we even had two acts of Congress on trying to ban their immigration. Not only that they came well after America was well built and settled. They don't even try to reach outside of the community, they only marry other Italians, which is a good thing all considering.

> There is both a vastly bigger cultural and genetic difference between the peoples you were trying to nationbuild
Discounting the Italians for a second we tried to nation-build with the Anglo-Dutch landholders leftover from colonial times coupled with Catholic Irish, Germans, and Scandinavians. Which is ultimately the same stock you are now trying to nation-build with except without the peoples of the British Isles. You still are trying to unite Catholics and Protestants, peoples of different languages, a vast territorial region, and now with the added detriment of trying to do it in their own homelands AND with the people who don't want to do it in the first place (in America it was all voluntary). It is not going to work, and if we want to consider the miniscule possibility it does, all it means is that you now become apart of Germany, congratulations pal.

>I was saying that today and throughout history the regions (states) have had a much more distinct identity over the national but we were still manage to unify the country to become the absolute paradise.
Yes, but never closing gaps this big. Generally when that happens millions are genocided and it takes thousands of years. Look at the Occuitans, 1100 years of the French trying to make them French and they're still whimpering.

>Why is no-one strong enough to want a kingdom these days?
because sweden is full of lefty faggots. No need to even try to save it. Let it fucking die in the misery it has created for itself.

>almost unironically support this arch-meme
That's what I'm talking about. A lot of countries have serious problems with keeping their nation together because of peripheral nationalism. For us it is not even a little bit of a problem since it's just memes, for now.

In my eyes, regional patriotism is something very bad if the patriots don't feel a connection to the rest of the nation.

Yeah you're atleast 3 purges away from that dream. Look what happened the last time germany tried one. Jesus mensch, you gotta up your game. You dont genocide jews with guns or ghettos... you get them to do it to themselves.

I think the fact that our current king is not Swedish (frog descendant) has been contributing to our ever ongoing disconnection with the monarchy, the current one is an absolute retard as well even tho some will hate me for pointing out the emperor has no clothes.

Drunk Torsteinn entered the chat

My dear Norwegian brother. Even the leftists in Sweden support the monarchy. In a way, we Swedes are one of the most monarchy supporting people in the world.

Brave