What was so "evil" about the Soviet Union? There were no homosexuals, prostitutes, strip clubs, porn, white guilt...

Hate* kek

Mao Zedong really didn't like that by the way. He went "What about living in communes guys? What about COMMUNISM? Why do you want each family to have its own place?".

cn.nytimes.com/opinion/20170814/why-women-had-better-sex-under-socialism/

I won't pretend to know what a commie thinks is degenerate.

Basically the communists did all the same shit as the Nazis. They just had a different logo and spoke Russian not German. Yet Amerimutt Nazi LARPers hate them because Amerimutt Communist LARPers make them look bad.

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They're pronanly going to shit all over Richard Pipes because of his reputation.

*probably

>we have no unemployment guys!
>actually the state forces everyone to get a job
>since everyone is forced to have a job, firing people is kinda pointless now - the state will just get you another job
>which means that people have zero motivation to work - they work good, they get 140 rubles, they work bad, they get 140 rubles, they don't work at all, they get 140 rubles
>gee guys, I wonder why all domestic production is shit

The holodomor. Also they tried to ban marriage.

The soviet Union was only really bad in the early years, when it was most dominated by the usual suspects. By the 1950s it was just standard oppression with a really bad economic model.

Yeah because people have SOOOO much motivation to work in capitalism. The only reason most people go to work is because they don't want to starve to death or be homeless. The majority of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.

Well, he had a point there I guess. Communes _can_ be a great thing, in the best case they function like a big extended family. But that's not a thing the state should enforce on a big scale, which is why "real" communism failed all over the world.

I fail to see how the Holodomor was "degenerate". Homosexuality and gay pride parades are degenerate.

my god youre cringe

Wasn't there all that way in the beginning but it was stopped since goyim cattle can't slave away for their masters in the workers paradies if they're too busy doing drugs and fucking

Nothing,you will never hear anyone give you a single fact that supports their claim USSR was evil or bad.Because in the east,communism was highly conservative and traditional
This guy gets it,it wasnt totalitarianism. It was ORDER AND DISCIPLINE

for example in USSR you didnt have armed cops on streets looking like special forces. No crime etc.

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Kek, true

The party says:
>all families living in rural areas must produce grains for the nation, all surplus production (that is more than your family needs to survive) will be confiscated to be redistributed to the nation
>Why work hard then? Let's just produce the minimum, and we're good
>Or, lets work hard and sell the surplus on black market, risking our lives in the process
>Rural production falls sharply, whole nation starves

Geniussszzzzzzzz guyzzz

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True 10/10
Putin is a hidden liberal but mainstream media paints him as a conservative

Glory to Stalin

vrag naroda applied to more than kulaks user

It applied to the royal family, nobility, monarchists, clergy, aristocrats, bourgeoisie, entrepreneurs, nationalists, any number of political enemies of the faction in power (ie. mensheviks, the old bolsheviks, trotskyist, esers, bundists, bukharinist), any former military/police prior to the revolution, anyone who worked on or administered the chinese far east railway, anarchists, kulaks, cossacks, emigrants, political dissidents, anyone who refused to work, anyone who refused to serve or study, refuseniks (emigrants refused status), intellectuals/artists whose work was considered against regime, diverters (anyone who damages state or collective property), wreckers (anyone who gave wrong directions), saboteurs (anyone who carelessly or did not execute their duties), anyone who failed to meet unrealistic economic targets, anyone who caused poor moral (for example complaining about working conditions), anyone who was incompetent at their duties, anyone who resisted collectivization, anyone who was a merchant, anyone who used hired labour etc.

Plus all the usual sedition, traitors etc.

vrag naroda were executed, imprisoned or expelled and their property confiscated

chleny sem'i izmennika rodiny - or the vrag naroda's friends and family - were also targeted thusly
>wives get 5 to 8 years in gulag
>"socially dangerous" children were separated and placed in gulags, corrective labour camps or "re-education" orphanages
>normal children got to go to an orphanage
>they also got stripped of citizens rights and sometimes even involuntary settlement in remote areas like Siberia

Hell, if you were LUCKY you got to be a lishentsy - which means no vote, no retirement, no occupying government positions, no employment, no welfare, no housing, no ability to join any co-ops, no access to rations etc.
Oh and if the head of your family was lishentsy? The entire family gets to be them.

And since we are on the topic of kulaks, because no one has any idea what that means:

In russian peasantry there were classes of peasant:
>batrak = guy who works seasonally for hire and owns no land
>bednyak = guy who is poor farmer
>serednyak = guy who is average farmer
>kulak = guy who is "rich" farmer

Only the first two were considered allies
Serednyaks were kept kind of at length and used if applicable but generally seen as hesitant to join the cause
Kulaks however, were immediate class enemy

But kulak is not defined well - in fact, it was almost entirely subjective criteria. A kulak most commonly ended up being a guy with a couple of cows, and around 5 acres more than his neighbours. Personal rivalries played a huge part in who was or wasn't a kulak as the neighbours could strongly influence this. Hell, kulaks weren't even prosperous - on average they had about 150$ worth of goods when it was confiscated. Any peasant who resisted giving food to the red army? Kulak.

It wasn't until like 1930 where a criteria became semi-official. You were a kulak if you owned any of the following:
>a mill
>a cremery
>any form of processing equipment
>anything with a motor
>rented out agricultural facilities or equipment
>used hired labour
>involved in any trade/loans/renting accomodation etc.
>sold surplus goods on the market

But where did this class come from? Because here's the thing: kulaks did not exist prior to 1905.

In 1906 Stolypin introduced his agricultural reforms. These introduced private ownership of land, development of larger scale individual farming (predecessor to industrial farming), introduced the ability to form an agricultural co-op, developed formal agricultural education, disseminated modern farming techniques and land improvement, and gave affordable credit lines to peasants. It expanded the railroad, gave peasants benefits for resettlement to remote areas, assisted settlers with advice/subsidies and exemption from some taxes.

Fucking brainlet faggot burger

Sage

>but muh industrialization guys! we made a backwoods agrarian country into an industrial powerhouse!
>actual rates of industrial growth in the last years of Russian Empire were higher than anything USSR could muster throughout its lifetime
searchinginhistory.blogspot.com/2014/10/great-spurt-industrialization-of.html

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>There were no homosexuals, prostitutes, strip clubs, porn, white guilt, rap music, casinos, homeless people, unemployed people, drug users, marijuana, hook up culture, or immigrants
???
Homosexual was legalized and encouraged, family social units were eroded and destroyed for the lower classes, people saw no social or economical mobility, wealth was concentrated at only the party officials and their contractors, regular workers would never and could never trade or work for a better economic situation.

Sounds like paradise tbqh. Are there any white countries like this in the world accepting immigrants?

I can't see any reason for any non elite to support the rigid unfree feudal caste economic system of the soviet union.

I remember as a kid hearing Sovietophiles saying that the USSR didn't have serial killers and violent crime because those were "Bourgeois problems", and then the story of the Rostov Ripper broke.

So many lies. How brainlet one has to be, to believe in propaganda. Kek. Kill yourself. Or read a book, whatever.

There were a ton of serial killers/violent crime. People just ignore it because you never hear it talked about.

Just like how they don't talk about things like how the party plagiarized the Stolypin reforms.

Sovietphiles don't exist, there is nothing redeeming about the soviet union nor cuba nor venezuela nor china nor vietnam all thrive at the exploitation, oppression and control of the working classes to enrich their ruling parties.

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A question so stupid it deserves no response. Read a fucking book asshole.

The communist were internationalist though. That said, Moscow somehow is more shitskin today that it was 30 years ago.

There was also no food and no god, and most of the stuff you listed existed in the communist party itself.

It definitely IS Jewish. Millions of innocent people needlessly starved. And if you take a look around at the communist individuals that exist now, they're typically total degenerates when compared with conservatives.

>no crime

fuckin slavroaches really believe this shit

I'm talking about the 1980s dude. There was definitely Sovietphiles back then.
Why u mad?

There's also no freedom or food. Whatever job you're in is where you stay. You can't do whatever you want and "moving up" is next to impossible

I, too, can pull shit out of my ass, OP.

Going to space isn't redeeming. Imagine being this retarded. Americans everyone..Instead if nigs twerking on tv Soviets had chess and math problems for their children, you uneducated american retard.

>"Guys cmon, genocide isn't THAT big of a deal. Real communism just hasn't been tried yet."

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Imagine being employed in the Soviet Union just so you could live as if you were unemployed in the United States.

Stalin persecuted the Jews because he realized what a threat Trotsky was. As soon as he died, they took control again and tried to bury him.

>A movement that says all religions are false including Judaism is a Jewish movement.

Interesting.

I have no sympathy for seeing genocide happen to greedy people, degenerates, and people too stupid or prideful to get with the program. Honestly if a communist revolution happens it's not that hard not to get sent to a gulag.

>implying the risk of starving isn't "real incentive"
>implying we don't have the best doctors in the world
>implying economic mobility isn't relatively higher under capitalism

Hell dude I'm actually for fascism but i'm not retarded enough to think there's nothing good about capitalism

There is a Russian saying "If they think they're paying us, let them think we're working".

>implying the risk of being thrown in a soviet gulag isn't real incentive
>implying ameriicans aren't traveling to cuba to receive healthcare
>implying "GDP" is a valid measure of human happiness and prosperity

>the communist thinks jews are just people that believe in judaism and not a race
interesting..

Literally you can't even join their fake fucking church without drawing blood from your dick.

Care to explain why so many Jews today have blonde hair and blue eyes then?

>Basically the communists did all the same shit as the Nazis.

this

Soviet Union was basically Red Fascism with communist asthetics instead of swastikas

I recently found out that Swedes travel to Russia to fix their teeth. They call it "dental runs". One Swedish gril stayed at my place for that reason.

Read about the Holomodor. He just took a whole area and cut off their food supply.

Except I wasn't implying any of those things. I'm not even a capitalist but I can see that it's economically successful, which you can't refute.

No, the majority of americans don't travel to cuba for healthcare lol. And even though our amazing doctors are pretty damn expensive, they are actually among the best.

Lol yep stay în line for a Milk and a bread 3h maby more then that eat fod base on a paper stfu

Care to explain wtf you mean by "so many" lol

What about destroying all culture in Eastern Europe for a century

Daily reminder that the Soviet Union was not Communist, just like Stalin

Lol dude waz full of crime but not show coz waz a cenzure u waz not free

Is this a joke question? Diaspora Jews survive by giving up their daughters to foreigners, whether from imminent threat or to blend in the host nation.

What has this to do with housing, moron?

So nice waz the ppl waz shoot traing to flee to yugoslavia

>Eugenics and discouraging migrants from leaving to anywhere
based and redpilled

They did a better job at preserving history (youth leagues, museums, exhibitions, etc) than nowadays under (((Capitalism)))

I see u r a commie retard or a whana be tipe so .....

nothing is evil about us.

we are going to dominate the world.

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Nobody forces you to be a faggot, pay for sex, do drugs or any of those things but commies DO force you to share the same shitty situation of famine and lack of freedom

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You need to be 18+ to post here...

Because they're retarded. Everything conservatards complain about is literally the fault of capitalism and bolshevism/fascism (soft-core bolshevism) is the solution. Literally the "hard reset" moldbug talks about.

I love socialism as long as I'm the boss!

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Freedom is gay.

> the state of leftie burger education

lol talk about being brainwashed, drugs and prostitution was all over, more common in the cities, drugs was mainly used by the upper classes who could afford them, cocaine was popular even back then, everyone was employed but they pretended to work and nothing got done, not only did degeneracy exist but people were starving so they had to resort to cannibalism as well.

>What was so "evil" about the Soviet Union?
Communism is Jewish and is thus inherently anti-White.

>Care to explain why so many Jews today have blonde hair and blue eyes then?
Care to explain why Jews belong in White nations?

Yet in practice it's more pro-white than capitalism.

>What was so "evil" about the Soviet Union?
Zealous jews killed the Russian royalty and continued to genocide ethnic Russians

Everyone of you fucking rich city college white american morons ignore the Iron Curtain countries and how we were fuckiing enslaved.

>Yet in practice it's more pro-white than capitalism.
Capitalism is just as Jewish and anti-White as Communism is.

Jews cannot ever be pro-White and therefore their creation (Communism) cannot be pro-White.

In practice communism needed to adopt some forms of capitalism to survive

>Removes usury.
>Jewish.

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Same reason Christians belong there.

But user that wasn’t REAL communism

>is filled with Jews
>not Jewish.
Pick one.

btw, Bolshevism is Jewish as well.

>being "enslaved"
>the worst thing in the world

Okay you have to be baiting now.

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>Same reason Christians belong there.
Christianity is pro-White. Judaism is not.

Jews are a non-White and inherently anti-White race. Non-Whites and anti-Whites don't belong in White nations.

>allowing jews in your nation
>not the worst thing in the world.