Incels are right about some things

You posted 4 dumb wrong arguments, no amount of no u will make them right.

Anyone can get matches on tinder, is that what you're trying to show here?

>Chad gets approached all the time and you're unattractive if this doesn't happen to you
Cope. Men get approached rarely if at all. Maybe the top 5% of guys. Otherwise, the guys with the highest social status. They don't have to approach or get approached, contact happens naturally when you are socially adept.

>The modern dating scene is fucked/stacked heavily against non-elite men
This has always been true, only nowadays most men are either feminised betas or entitled, or both.
Bang ugly chicks or put in the work to bang hotter ones. Be realistic, be thankful for what you have, don't expect things to be just handed to you.

>Personality is always second to looks
Biggest beta male blue pill there is.
Women are far less visual than men. Alpha behavior turns them on. Personality is probably 40-50% of attraction, status 30%, looks the remainder.
Look at PUAs (don't condone, just look at them) some ugly ass motherfuckers can get with hot chicks. Why? Cause they have good game. They learned attractive behaviours. 99% of incels are just needy beta bitches and also badly adjusted. They broadcast to the world "I AM LOW STATUS AND LOW VALUE! I AM A BETA MALE" That is akin to a physical disfigurement in terms of being attractive to a woman.

>Women are much more vain and don't care about a man deep down, only his looks or the safety net they can provide
You can string women along and make them make fools out of themselves if they really want you.
Get a woman really attracted and madly in love with you, she will do anything for you and you only.
Thing that most chumps do, is stop being attractive, become needy, become beta, act like they have no other options than her.
That's when a girl will stop being into you.
Let me ask you something:
If you were in love with a girl, and she gained 300 pounds overnight, would you stay with her?
Maybe you would, but you wouldn't be attracted to her anymore, don't even lie.
Same thing is when you turn beta within a relationship.

Are you really so badly adjusted that you think most of these women are not joking around?
Also, yeah there are girls looking for NSA sex on tinder, if that surprises you, you are a naive fuck.

The first two are at least arguable. There are a lot of shallow people and they will go for looks. Sure the dating scene is stacked, but males vying for the attention of females is hardly unnatural.
The last two I disagree with. They're true for shallow people. To believe genuine women looking for a deep emotional connection don't exist is just wrong. Yes, it takes effort to find a good woman, and you might run through a couple bad ones. But unfortunately that's life. At least we're not all getting locked into a miserable and abusive marriage at 18 because we fear an institution's depiction of God.

those pictures don't look like success at all
the ones who aren't just fucking around will flake

>genuine women

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Incels are literally mentally handicapped men who cannot think on their own. All they do is repeat the same meme charts over and over again, not even understanding how they are deeply flawed or outright made up. Being unable to think for himself is one key aspect of being an incel.

Ok, these all are essentially
>be alpha

I understand that it works and it just how it is. But do understand all things you listed say if you have a soft personality or a bit emotional go screw yourself. And it doesnt matter how solid alpha personality you have in a vacuum either. It is all about relative situation and the hierarchy.

Consider this, at the moment being fit will you put ahead in looks, since it shows dedication and willingness to work. Ok what if we made everybody fit magically? At that point it will be another physical trait maybe like height. And there are some things one can't help with. "Oh you are emotional, you have to change your personality and be an entirely different person and be alpha. Ok so do i have to change my entire personality?

I understand, i genuinely understand it is all about character and demeanor, but it is quite insulting when you hear from peopl "your personality is wrong, change who you are". It just feels odd, thats all.

Height really matters, especially if your on the very short end like me

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>Chad gets approached all the time and you're unattractive if this doesn't happen to you
False, nigga, it’s not either or, it’s a whole spectrum, as an average dude I can tell you, everyone gets rejected at some point believe me, IT HAPPENS.
>The modern dating scene is fucked/stacked heavily against non-elite men
False again, I’m not poor but I’m certainly not rich, Ive worked my ass off to have the things I like, don’t have a car I live with a roommate and sometimes I suggest splitting the bill, and guess what girls don’t mind! (Some will, but the ones who are real with themselves will be ok with paying sometimes)
>Personality is always second to looks SPOILER ALERT NO ONE FALLS IN LOVE FOR YOUR FEELINGS AT FIRST SIGHT, FIRST YOU FIND SOMEONE ATTRACTIVE AND THEN YOU DIG OUT THE REST
>Women are much more vain and don't care about a man deep down, only his looks or the safety net they can provide
There’s never a all back all white scenario nigga, yes there are girls like that and there are others who really look for a deeper relationship, just as there are men who will only date certain girls (in this board you’ll see plenty, not caring for the girl but just the looks).
This whole thing of we nice guys always end up alone is bullshit, it’s just a way you dumb fucks justify being terrible at socializing with females.
PD. I’m no chad, not rich, I’m not white or dark skinned, I’m not tall, and I’m certainly not bumped or ripped. Just just average joe

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It's not that they are wrong about the issues themselves, it's their solutions to said issues that are completely retarded. The fact that they claim to have a complete understanding of others minds yet consistently fail every social interaction is mind boggling and hilarious. People don't ridicule incels simply because they don't get laid, they do it because all of their ideas on social interaction are completely fucking bizarre.

Watch this and focus on the parts where the virgin PUA shows up and when the chubby one shows the picture of what facial surgery he would have to get done to become 'Chad'. It's hilarious.
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>Chad gets approached all the time and you're unattractive if this doesn't happen to you
Chad approaches
The modern dating scene is fucked/stacked heavily against non-elite men

This is just human nature. Women are the gatekeepers of sex. It has always been like this. Sadly for women it turned out it was a double edged sword.

>personality is always second to looks

Do incels even believe this? Either way it's not true.

>women are much more vain and don't care about a man deep down, only his looks or the safety net they can provide

Are men any less vain? "Men only care about her looks and the motherly virtues they can provide"

Yes this image macro sure is proof on the thoughts and feelings of all women.

Try going outside and talking to people and not basing your worldview off of what other incels tell you on the internet.

Too many salty incels today, what’s going on?

This is all true. Not sure how people can deny it.

What's the explanation for men that find themselves in satisfying relationships but aren't stereotypical 'elite chads'?

I'm a poor as shit manlet who doesn't even lift, but I ended up in a good relationship. The difference was when I stopped hiding in my parents' basement and started showing up to events and social opportunities with other people.

Hello fellow manlet.

I too would like to leave the basement and put myself out there. Idk where the fuck to go though, people just suggest bars and coffee shops, neither of which really work in my area.

Where did you go?

>Chad gets approached all the time and you're unattractive if this doesn't happen to you
Not true

>The modern dating scene is fucked/stacked heavily against non-elite men
Cannot be denied and i'm not an incel. It has always been this way

>Personality is always second to looks
Not true

>Women are much more vain and don't care about a man deep down, only his looks or the safety net they can provide
Not true us guys can be just as bad or worse

tl;dr Incels are rarely right and when they are they could easily change themselves to be more like "Chad" but refuse to

Hundreds of years ago the incels were the weak that didn't survive to reproduce, they either died in wars or from the elements or disease. These days, we have to carry these weak and worthless members of society on the backs normal people. Yes, chads are normal, back then you had to be chad just to survive.

Incels have the nerve to complain about not getting attention or sex now. They're the modern lepers of society. All because we started caring for them more, leaving them out in the wild and letting them succumb to weakness would be too "inhumane". Honestly, incels would be doing us all a favor if they just disappeared like they should have.

Did incel steal your girl?

They're right about how most women are whores.

>Chad gets approached all the time and you're unattractive if this doesn't happen to you
True. Good looking guys get hit on and flirted with all the time.
>The modern dating scene is fucked/stacked heavily against non-elite men
Yes. 80/20.
>Personality is always second to looks
Personality is positively correlated with looks. Good looks = good personality
>Women are much more vain and don't care about a man deep down, only his looks or the safety net they can provide
Women go for both. Many live off child support/alimony from beta bob while screwing around with chad.

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There werent that many incels back then because women have to settle and slutting around was social suicide.

>True. Good looking guys get hit on and flirted with all the time.
How do you know this?

>Go out
>???
>Make an assessment
Dunno man. He probably make it up. That fucking incel.

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All my good looking friends have had this happen. Women get wet just in the presence of good looking dudes.

Go into more details. You're saying this happens when you're walking down the street or at places like bars and clubs? When you say approach do mean they literally accost them out of nowhere and basically say they want to have some fun or simply orbit and display IOI's? How do you know they're getting wet? Describe what you mean by good looking guy so I have an idea of what level a guy has to reach for this shit to happen?

He has no idea what he’s talking about, he’s just a weirdo, who has 0 higiene, who’s literally a lard, no social skills and someone who avoids talking to anyone who is not in his circle, and yet he cries why no girl wants to talk to him, or throw themselves to him like in the pornos well at least good looking girls 10/10 because no fat chiks or ugly ducklings will suffice this piece of shit

he is wrong that chads get approached most of the time, but being a chad kind of guy can easily get almost any type of girl

they're also right about the promiscuity of women, the vast majority of them are total whores (10-50+) whereas only a few guys had more than 20

That guy isn't that attractive, and his bio and comments are humorous. Acting arrogantly proud about your flaws in a sarcastic manner is acceptable mainstream humour, especially among the normies.

You just have a fucked up social skillset and can't tell humour from reality, and without being triggered.

>Chad gets approached all the time and you're unattractive if this doesn't happen to you
Bullshit. Most women are way too shy and insecure to approach a random attractive guy.

>The modern dating scene is fucked/stacked heavily against non-elite men
I would replace 'non-elite' with 'below-average to average'. You don't have to be an elite guy, but i agree that being below average or just average is not good enough for most women nowadays.

>Personality is always second to looks
I disagree slightly. I think in general, personality is more important. That being said looks do definitely matter and they matter alot.

>Women are much more vain and don't care about a man deep down, only his looks or the safety net they can provide
Again, there is some truth to it but you're exaggerating it. I also think this is true for both women AND men. We all want to 'get' something out of relationships. While there might be differences in terms of what men and women tend to prioritize, we are all looking for relationships that provide some kind of benefit to our lives. This doesn't only apply to romance, but to things like friendship and business partners as well.

If he wasnt attractive, women would block him and not entertain his antics in hope of some good dick

Of course they are, duh.

Try to separate facts from feelings, exercise your critical thinking mind, and perhaps start via the Socratic Method to see for yourself.

The biggest thing they're right about is that all women are inherently evil. It's in their nature. The reason men don't see it clearly is because we love women.

The biggest thing they're wrong about is despair. The incel/r9k mentality is TOXIC AS HELL because of the despair. Hope is always there, always what keeps you going when things are tough. But without hope, there is no action. And no action, means no results. No results means it's terrible advice. That's why "misery loves company" is an expression. They all drag you down with them.

So to separate the good from the bad, the right from the wrong, you just need to exercise critical thinking.

You know what, as a non-incel i'll give you an incel statement which i think IS true:

>the majority of women desire the minority of men. (roughly 80/20 rule)
You know why this is true? It's because that's what evolution is based on. The best genes are supposed to get passed on, while the weaker genes are supposed to be eradicated from the gene pool. That's how we evolved from one celled organisms all the way into complex humans. Now obviously, the past few hundred years human evolution has been a bit skewed. Because of marriage, it's not quite as easy for an alpha men to collect a harem of women and pass on his alpha seed and thus outcompeting beta men. Marriage has leveled the playing field which is why beta men have had plenty of access to reproduction over the past hundreds of years.

We can't deny however, that the female instinct to mate with attractive, dominant and masculine men is still very much present. Bottom line is, women are only truly attracted to the minority of men. A large portion of the women will settle down with a man they aren't truly attracted to. But they do it because they need security/money/comfort etc.

>no
>yes for the most part
>no definitely not always
>no for the most part

>A large portion of the women will settle down with a man they aren't truly attracted to.
How are so many guys okay with this? Id rather be single crazy cat man than betabuxx

disagree, all things

>How are so many guys okay with this?
A lot. Majority of guys cannot deal with living alone.

Because the majority of men are blue pilled betas who either don't realize this concept or they refuse to accept it.

The majority of men completely deny that their is truth to the alpha fucks;beta bucks theory. But if you actually look around and talk to people about their lives, relationships and marriages you know there is an awful lot of truth to it. Many, if not most husbands around the globe are little more than just plow horses in an effort to keep their wife happy.

alpha fucks, beta bucks

Yes
80/20 rule has been proven true multiple times

>many, if not most husbands around the globe are little more than just plow horses in an effort to keep their wife happy.
My dad is a workhorse provider. Im not to repeat his mistakes, hell no. A life of drudgery for women and children is not the way to go.

Why is the quality of the english on this board so bad? Jow Forums and Jow Forums both don't seem to have this problem at all. Even Jow Forums isn't this bad.

Is there just a large number of underage users here? Or a large international presence? Or is this board just full of idiots?

>Chad gets approached all the time and you're unattractive if this doesn't happen to you
Chads have an advantage because they take care of themselves and their bodies. They have willpower that usually manifests itself in other parts of their lives as well. Also, men usually approach. So even if you look like a chad you still have to approach girls.

>The modern dating scene is fucked/stacked heavily against non-elite men
Of course it is. We're all looking for the best possible mate. It always has been. You're a descendant of a man who's had success with women at least once, and his father as well

>Personality is always second to looks
Personality doesn't mean shit. I would argue that personality is intertwined with looks. Somebody who looks like shit, has shit teeth, hunched over and fat is probably a lazy slob who doesn't brush their teeth, doesn't bother keeping good posture and feeds their body bullshit. They also almost certainly don't shave and wash their dick. Do you really think a girl is going to want to go anywhere near them if they don't take care of themselves? b-but they're nice

>Women are much more vain and don't care about a man deep down, only his looks or the safety net they can provide
Being able to provide is one of the most important parts of being a man. Women seek men who can provide for their potential children. Women also judge looks because they want good looking children. Some men are born into wealth and/or with good genetics. Others have to work at it. Incels usually fall into the later category. But it's easier to remain in denial and blame everything on women and chads.

Commencing redpill dump, this board needs it as its all bluepilled guys or women

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Friendly reminder that women use YOUR tax money to pay for THEIR hookups with chad

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THIS
NEVER GIVE UP
WE WILL CONQUER THEM
>went from r9k kissless virgin to bodycount of 15

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How to have sex with women: the guide

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Expanding on the taxes thing, taxpayers money goes into paying for birth control and abortions, without which most women wouldn't ride the cock carousel, so in effect your tax money allows women to friendzone you and have sex with other men

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>radishmag.wordpress.com/2014/02/14/pump-and-dump/
>radishmag.wordpress.com/2013/09/27/fair-sex/
>breitbart.com/london/2014/12/04/the-sexodus-part-1-the-men-giving-up-on-women-and-checking-out-of-society/
>breitbart.com/london/2014/12/09/the-sexodus-part-2-dishonest-feminist-panics-leave-male-sexuality-in-crisis/
>whoism3.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/confessions-of-a-reformed-incel/

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Speaking of the 80/20 rule, marriage, and how women at a certain age have no choice but to settle:

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>youtube.com/watch?v=5J93U-iokyw

Most people's lives basically drop off once they finish college, they might have some last hurrahs for a few years but come their late 20s and its basically over, MAYBE they squeeze stuff out until 30 but thats definitely the end, and very few people get that far.
Women have no choice but to get married and have kids because they have no value beyond their bodies (looks and quality of their holes) so they can either get married or hit the wall and be all alone, either way their social lives and freedom are dramatically cut but they can still hold on to some semblance of a life if they settle down, other wise its being all alone and drinking box wine
But with men we don't have a wall, as long as you take care of yourself your value only goes up over time, physically, financially, social skill wise, etc
And remember that yes, settling down = life over
You will at all times be busy either at work, getting ready for work, on the way to or from work, or taking care of your kids, even something as simple as going out to eat becomes a hassle because someone has to watch the kids
Combine this with the fact that most people live in the suburbs with kids and your life literally turns into the boomer meme (suburban cookouts with the 5% of your time that you have free) for the rest of your life until you retire, and then your dead soon

>so whats the alternative
Just dont get married or have kids, and you can do whatever you want forever
Also some people might ask
>what about get married but no kids
Most women wont go for that, and even if you find one that will, your life will still be dramatically cut, maybe instead of a 90% reduction you get a 50%, but at that point isn't she just a glorified girlfriend? For all intents and purposes shes basically identical, so why make it official and risk loosing money/property/whatever?
And no matter what don't live in the fucking suburbs

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The one right post gets ignored

The wall is the phenomena where once women loose their sex appeal: their physical good looks and the quality of sexual acts with them (maybe their pussy gets loose, their ass is blown out, they cant suck dick or deepthroat, or their sex drive goes down the drain, whatever), they loose all value. A woman's only value in life is her sex appeal, and the ability to be a baby factory. What have women ever done throughout history? Those two things. What did women do in prehistoric times when we were all hunter gatherers? Those two things. Women are inferior to men in every single way, but that's the one thing they have. Around 30 it ends. It varies by a couple years give or take depending on the girl, some hit the wall in their late 20s, some their early 30s, but the point is the wall is real and it comes for all of them. And its not like a lightswitch either, the closer they get to it the more they feel it coming and the more it taints them and how they feel. They get less and less attention from guys, guys don't seem to be as desperate for them as they used to. Their attention whoring Instagram pictures of them showing off their ass or whatever don't get as many likes. Guys they hookup with don't even try to contact them again (wow, now she's getting ghosted). Its like a slow burn out.

Men only talk to girls because they want to fuck, they want to find a wife, or because they are bored and have nothing better do to (Im at work so why not chit chat). Once her sex appeal tanks it eliminates the only 2 thing that give her any kind of social power or influence. None of the guys want her and none of the pre-wall girls want to be around her (girls are vicious in only associating with girls that have good sex appeal).

So the long and short of it is either get married before the wall, or become a cool wine aunt cant lady who always reminisces about her glory days of being able to run the show.

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Here's the real funny part, since women only want chad, and there's not nearly enough chad to go around, and multiple wives is illegal, the majority of women will have to "settle" for a guy they would normally friendzone, or else hit the wall and be all alone.
Women have made this bed through their cuntyness, and I think the response of all men should be to fuck them 100% by not even getting married, and instead doing what I talked about here Let them all kill themselves for all I care, that's the mentality they've always had about us

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And yet no one has ever posted a single proof of it. As if you're making shit up.

>not wanting to pass down chad genes to future generations
Incels are WRONG.
If they had their way, the world would be filled with ugly little rat people in two generations time instead of glorious ubermensch gods.
Not to mention most incels are subhuman Jews anyways.

Christ, what happened to Jow Forums? Why are all the idiot incels from there flooding this board?

This.

And my point with is that as women creep closer to the wall, THIS is where the typical incel/chump/beta male comes in to play. The guy who rarely or never got laid in his late teens and early to mid twenties, always struggled with women all of a sudden starts noticing a few glances here and there. He's delighted that he's finally able to date this particular woman so in no time he smashes a ring on her finger. He's relieved he finally got himself a girlfriend he can show off to his parents to prove to them he's not a lonely loser after all.

But little does he know he's getting the leftovers. This woman chose him because she had no choice anymore. The guys she truly wants no longer want her so she marries him because ''atleast it's better than dying alone''.

Literally everything you said is false. You are repeating incel cuck fantasies. This doesn't happen in real life at all, this is a fantasy that low intellect basement dwelling incels tell themselves.

It's because the 80/20 rule isn't an exact science. It's more like a rule of thumb which basically means ''the minority of X are often responsible for the majority of Y.''

So for example: in a business, it's usually the minority of employees who drive the company to it's most important successes. The majority of employees are just passengers putting in the minimal amount of effort to collect their paychecks.

The same goes for sex. Only the minority of men have genes which females have a strong desire for to reproduce. Now to be fair this isn't only about looks. It can also be about the vibe you're giving off or your social status. You can trick a woman into making her think you have better genes/higher value than you really do. That's basically what pickup and 'game' is about...

We as men need to ignore women who have hit the wall completely, for the rest of our lives we should only associate with women who are pre-wall unless forced to by circumstance (I'm at work or my waitress is post-wall, etc). Women who are post-wall should be treated like they don't even exist, like they are invisible, just like women always treat non-chad men, until the wall comes. But fuck them. They think they can shit on us from birth and then once their party is over we will latch on to them out of desperation? They're the desperate ones now, we have game, we've refined our looks, we've built up money and social status, and now we can get the perky titted, tight assed, dick sucking champ good looking girls they USED to be, and when each generation of girls gets too old, we toss em to the curb and do it all over again with the next one

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Fucking stop it with your shitty retarded copypasta already. You are the most pitiful, dumbest, most bluepilled incel I have seen today.

Shut up cunt

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We're right about everything

delusional

No. Most of the defense for them is just coping by people with absolute shit personalities who blame everything on anything but their godawful personalities.

This is a great thread. I love to see anons helping one another in productive discussion

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Incels don't want to be helped, they want to be angry and miserable and alone.

If incels were wrong, they wouldn't be incels. The proof is in the pudding.

They're men who are capable of finding peace and comfort in their own ways. Usually, incels need that shit set out on a roadmap for them or it's invalid, doesn't qualify/count, those kinna words

>if flat earthers were wrong there would be no flat earthers

Your game must be really good, I also bet you have a good social life which = high social status

All incels are men. You don't hear women bitching and whining about the opposite gender like how they do. Buncha betas.

If you are in college, then clubs and activities are a good way to socialize and meet people. If you are living on campus, then hanging out in dorm lounges to do work or just read and such can also make for opportunities to mingle (this specifically is how I lost my virginity).

I'm not gunna lie: post-college adult socializing is a tough nut that I'm still trying to crack. Especially after moving away from all my old buddies.

Being a flat earther isn't a state inflicted on you by the outside world.

Gee, almost as if one of the genders vastly desires the other more than vice versa.

>Being a flat earther isn't a state inflicted on you by the outside world.
Neither is being an incel. Both are choices people make to believe in.

Yes, because if a woman refuses to fuck a man that's the choice a man makes.

all incels would get laid if they'd be attractive.

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Incels make the choice to never make any effort to not be a piece of shit and choose to never ask girls out.

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Yeah, im post college too. Was too busy with school/hanging with friends to meet people during college.

Im not having issues meeting guys. Went to a board game meetup and started playing mtg at my card shop. Have no issues mingling with those guys, albeit some of the turbo autists can be hard to deal with.

Its only finding women that is an issue for me. Like im not even nervous afraid of approaching anymore, I got over that by forcing myself to socialize with new guys. I just dont know where the fuck women congregate.

Im thinking of doing the cold approach and just striking up a convo with a random at barnes and nobles or some shit. Prob wont go for digits first couple of attempts, but thats still better than literally not having met a woman outside of work in 2 years which is where im at now.

Just reading a handful of incel stories is more than enough to prove you wrong. But hey, whatever keeps your fragile worldview intact...

ahem

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This is confusing me. You say that as if there's one woman in the entire world. There's hundreds of millions of them. If you can't get one it's literally because you're doing something wrong and there's no way around that. There's no excuse to not be able to get any woman in the entire world other than you arent trying and are instead opting to sit at home and bitch on the internet instead of putting yourself out there

incels are fags

Every incel story proves you wrong. Incels never once try.
He never once tried. He did a bottom of the barrel retarded act repeatedly without learning. Trying to split a steel bar in two by hitting it repeatedly on your head is not trying, it's retarded. Being an incel is all about not trying and being dumb and lying about it. Prove me wrong. Show just one incel who does not have below average intelligence and who makes an effort at... anything.

incels are faggots lmfao