============================== About the Macedonian matters ============================== This thread is about the small minority of Macedonians or people from the Republic of Macedonia in general who are dwelling in Jow Forums
Few topics that I wish are answered in this thread if you people want to be discussed pick a topic and debate for it >The troubled past During the history our fellow Macedonians have suffered greatly most of our national problems can linked back during the times of the ottoman period. In short our people (even though they have spoken the same language and had the same culture) were divided into four factions The bulgarophiles (people who favored or some way or another Bulgaria and Bulgarian national intentity historically it was the biggest faction) The grekomans (the people who reffered to the slavic Macedonians as slavophone Greek and greatly influenced the Macedonian national felling with the propaganda that we are heirs of the old ancient Macedonians The serbomans (the people who usually thought that the Macedonians are in fact old Serbian And claimed that the northern part of Macedonia is actually old Serbia The macedonist (the people who wanted to prevent the division of Macedonia and reffered to the people in Macedonia as Macedonians different from the other factions above. The degree of macedonism varies between those who strongly believed that we are different and even claimed that we are old ancient Macedonians but different from the Greeks. And those acknowledged the past but saw that the creation of Macedonian nation is need it in order to prevent division in Macedonia
Which one of these factions was/is right and were our young country should strive towards?
One small tiny state north of Greece now known as North Macedonia
Sebastian Ross
>Economic future Our young country somewhat manage to make small progress from our socialist past nevertheless we still lack capital(industries)
How should we make our nation more efficient and powerfu in economic sense?
Sould we create the capital using planned economics and leave the workers control the means of production while most of the profit will be managed and planing be made by our state officials (socialism)
Or the state should lower the taxes and regulations promote foreign investors to invest in our nation in the same time spending less money to introduce more savings and to somehow let the Macedonian citizens to create their own private capital where the capital will be left in the hands of the citizens (capitalism)
Post other economic ideas If you want to
Jaxson Sullivan
God I hope I'm not the only one here
Jace Morris
what do you think about nikola gruevski, and his recent escape from macedonia? also about russian vs euro-atlantic struggle in your country
Jaxon Ross
You spelled Albo-Bulgaria wrong.
Dominic Hall
North Macedonia*
Landon Turner
Aren’t you in middle of a civil war right now?
Nathan Thompson
surely you mean greater albania?
Luke Wood
OK gypsie
Adrian Fisher
>Which one of these factions was/is right The GAS THE BALKIKES MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS NOW faction
Clicked on the thread just for this. Majestic, if I were to be honest.
Easton Brooks
Personally I dislike nikola gruevski for what he did. But I have to write a whole essay about that. So in short his early years were good with a great economic growth but then he used his power employ large amounts of his party voters into the administration that made us lose a lot of money in useless wages and forced us to take loans . Also the whole cliques with the statues is just cringe. He also did alot of crimes like money laundering flat out theft of EU funds for development survelence on our citizens. Assault on journalist and murder. The guy was a criminal however there is a rumor that the current government help him to escape the country so some if his loyal supporters to vote on the name change or in those terms. Sdsm is not much different they are cucks and are stereotypical social Democrats there is also rumours that they are employing their people into the administration same as gruevski did. They also increased the taxes and our prices are kind of larger now
About Atlantic alliance I kind of like it more then the Russian alternative since we were de-facto under the Russian wing when gruevski was in power and things did not change much. However I'm a bit sceptical about the EU thing and I'm against the name change since the name change is against our political rights of self-determination
Daniel Robinson
>being Balkan >not WE WUZing Pick one. We didn't start anything, really, just jumped on the bandwagon.
Levi Cooper
I thought you guys are in civil war with vucic the damn Serbian version of gruevski
Nolan Gonzalez
Tbh seeing all the assholes near us I kind of agree
Josiah Morgan
Still don't how people fell for the meme that we're the baddies in a free-for-all game.
Nathan Jenkins
мaкeдoния мoля ти ce, caмo ce излaгaш c тaкивa тeми
Gabriel Roberts
Same
William Clark
Co кaкви тeми? Toa e иcтopијaтa нa мaкeдoнcкиoт нapoд
Gabriel Cox
>gypsie t. coping with stealing other people's name and history without even understanding their language.
Adam Phillips
I am Macedonian (born there moved here) and took a DNA test. These were the results. As you can see some of us actually very greek so i cannot support The Serbs and Bulgars.
Shqipez in this bitch, nice fake history fuckin nerds. Jas sum kaj gradski so edno makedonska ljepotice.
Easton Bell
Continental Greece was flooded with Slavs that left significant genetic and cultural imprint, so continental Greeks are not that different from us.
Greek """""Macedonians""""" though, are mostly descendant from Anatolian refugees, that's why they're basically roaches even compared to other Greeks, and that explains your map.
Aлбaнцитe нe ce тoлкy гoлeм пpoблeм тиe yштe ceгa јa нaпyштaaт Maкeдoнијa и pcдикcлизмoт e нaглo нaмaлeн зoштo нe cмe кaкo cpбитe и им дaдoвмe нopмaлни пpaвa. Дa Maкeдoнијa и мaкeдoнcкиoт идeнтитeт e нoв тoa нe гo cпopaм aмa фeдepaцијa нe e пoтpeбнo co Бyгapијa дoвoлнo ниe caмo дa имa пpијaтeлcтвo co вac и нaмecтo дa нe мpaзитe дa нe пoдpжyвaтe oти ceпaк имaмe блиcкa иcтopијa co вac
Austin Williams
I also took a Dna test and had a high possible match to Macedonia followed by Greece. Large influence in western Macedonia and Peloponnese was really surprised. Also 99.5 percent european 96.2 percent Greek and Balkan.
Carson Cruz
Nice larp
Hudson Murphy
>Continental Greece was flooded with Slavs that left significant genetic and cultural imprint, so continental Greeks are not that different from us. t. believing this bullshit They are not close to any South Slavic ethnicity, only to Albos and Italians Not even Bulgarians are as close to Greeks (North and South) as you people want to make them
The northern part region was populated by majority Macedonian slavs until the the war with Turkey after ww1
Gavin Flores
What iz I then?
Jason Long
Sto?
Anthony Robinson
See pic related North ''Macedonians'' are barely a Slavic ethnicity, you are Slavic speaking Mediterraneans and have more genetical relation to Italians than Serbs and Croats
Anthony Powell
>all these years we thought Memedonians were larping Bulgarians and it turns out they're just larping Greeks
You are just slavic Macedonian. The idea that we were mixed with the ancient Macedonians is rather old one. Personally I found that theory bullshit because lack of evidence and medieval history. But sure it is old and the first guy to claim that and wrote a manuscript about it is Gorgija puleski. During the 1860s
Julian Powell
Nigger they never were Slavs, they only spoke a Slavic language due to Bulgarian occupation in the past Slavs in the Balkans stop existing around the Danube border, everythinsg South is mostly slavicized
A Southern European Greek
Carter Bailey
I Iz Greek then?
Owen Morales
How am i Slavic when i only have 1% eastern European genes in me?
Evan Taylor
thank you
altough now that macedonia's western orientation seems to be cemented, i think the most encouraging thing i can say is that not get your hopes up just yet
euromoniez only won't help you catch up to the west
I have a super hot Macedonian co worker so this hits close to home
Jason Anderson
Can i claim to be Socrates then?
Joshua White
>pic >Bosnia and Herzegovina kek
Caleb Jackson
My god i must infrom the rest of the family of this brainwashing, they actually hate Greeks. Does this mean they hate themselves?
Dylan Bailey
You're only proving my point, that (continental) Greeks are genetically just as Slavic as Macedonians, regardless of how little that would be.
Luis Robinson
>nigger they were never slavs Sure they were never slavs expect they were more slavs then the actual slavs the majority of our heroes who fought the Greeks were from that region. Our language is based on those dialects because the majority of people lived there. Most of our people have origins from "Greek" Macedonia. Face the fact Macedonia was more slavic then Greek and if you claim those were greeks is like saying that most of you guys are orthodox turks
Mason Wood
1% eastern European genes in me...........how can you claim that i am Slavic?
Aaron Price
I actually wouldn't recommend upsetting them like that. They've spend all these years forming their identity based on a lie it'll shock them if you told them the truth maybe turn them against you even. That's just my opinion though, maybe your family acts rationally who knows
Samuel Powell
No according to this brainlet Gotce delcev who is from that region and fought the Greeks for his entire timeline is Greek
Easton Wood
All this daily balkan shitstorm for nothing lmao. You are all different variations of the albanians
Most of us don't have Eastern European dna we are close to the Greeks as well for fuck sake we live near them same with the Bulgarians
Adam Evans
Yes but that makes you literally non-Slavic my friend You are as Slavic as Northern Greeks which are barely even Slavic and cluster far away from Balkan Slavs in terms of genetics You are just speaking Slavic, nothing else
>North Macedonians Literally a disgusting mutt race of Bulgarian, Serbian, Albanian, Greek and Turkish rapebabies trying to larp as the heirs of Alexander. Unironically the lowest of the low in Europe, outside of eastern Thrace of course.
Brayden Hill
But being Greek would mean we Wuz Socrates and Aristotle, why would you wanna be a Slav.
Logan Ward
DNA tests don't work that way. Eastern European refers to the modern population there, not Proto-Slavs from 2000 years ago.
Kayden Kelly
So we were brainwashed by slavs?
Landon Lee
I have black hair and olive skin. I can assure you that i didn't evolve to live in Ukraine. I look like a typical Greek so idk what you're on about.
Josiah Phillips
Says the frog and snail eating faggot
Kayden Martin
Because your culture is still slavic and greekoz don't like for us to claim ancient pass
Xavier Martin
I mean no we are just mixed with them.
Thomas Sanchez
Same
Michael Butler
snails are delicious, take your words back vardaski.we ll agree on the frogs
Zachary Fisher
>muh frogs >muh snails It's honestly about time that people start thinking of new ways to insult French people. These two don't really work, since literally no one in France eats frogs or snails in the first place. Even surrender memes are more effective.
Bentley Lewis
The Balkans are dying out, regardless of what we do/what we want. This is why threads about whose land this was, whose people are white or not - that shit is irrelevant.
We are dying out. We got bigger problems on our hands.
Carter Bennett
I haven't ate any snail desu I hear they are not really healthy
Parker Murphy
Not really though, i would surely have more Eastern dna and have some eastern European features.........i have non, i basically look like Greek Statue Chad with olive skin.
Sebastian Harris
Why not just unite and create one Eastern roman empire and larp as Eastern Romans. It worked the first time until the crusderz came
Josiah Adams
This is the real reason Macces are culturally and linguistically slavicized I have no problem wich you identifying as Slavs, do it as long and strong as you want Just do not pretend that Greeks are Slavic or literally half Russians or some shit if genetics show them to be clearly on a Mediterranean/Southern European level
Jace Price
Are macedonian girls qt? Also do they have nice feet?
Evan Anderson
Greekoz can suck mu balls because I iz more them then they are on average, most of them are mixed with arabs. I iz pure.
James Hughes
You think the EU would allow that? The reason all of our nations are near-collapse is because of their direct influence, both social and economic. Look at what's happening in France - EU army goes to help vs the yellow vest protests, and it's heavily rumored that the same army will go against any desire of Italy to leave the EU. Shit's fucked top to bottom
Ryder Sanchez
Yes but they all seem to live in one city. Go to Bitola. It's like goddess central. You can close your eyes and pick a random one of the street and chances are shes hotter than most Amerifats.
Cameron Parker
I think you should go with the unionists. The people that believe in a single identity. Your country is a mix of balcanians, with of course a handfull of indigenous people. If your country takes a dna test i bet they have greek dna, what is sad is the language. Its a dialect of bulgarian. You are missing out on the Greek language that is very rich for a persons brain. In any case now that you are going in NATO and EU, i think you can only benefit without the separate identities.
Hunter Sanchez
Yes the Germans finally won. Ofcoursse not in the field of battle where they can never win but by sneaky and jew like ironically.
Zachary Cook
very true as you can see in my DNA. I iz basically sparta.
Carter Price
Lol the first image that appears on google images to Bitola has our flag anchored there.Have we colonized you or something?
Again, DNA test label current populations, not historical.
Could be, although I think you're overreaching. They're an obvious Slavic cluster there, just like there's an Italian one, it just doesn't overlap well.
Yes all the gypsies used their net worth to purchase that building. Very high achievement for Romanians in the region, everyone knows about it, we're all proud.
Austin Cruz
No seriously why does it have our flag, I understand the EU since you want to suck their dick but why ours? Tell me do macedonian girls have nice feet?
Ian Clark
What the fuck Iz I then damnit. You keep telling me I am not Greek and I am "Slavic" I don't look slavic like i said. So what your saying could be true for most but not for me.
Luke Foster
How the fuck would i know, I havent been there since 2006. For all i know things have changed and the women are no longer the goddess i remember
Ayden Young
amen. Soon we will have afgani iranian nigerian dna, with all the refugees. Look at Antentokoumbo he is probably the most famous modern greek.
Jose Sanchez
Who gives a fuck at this point? We got conquered, oppressed and genocided for centuries.
Jaxon Peterson
Bitola is known as the town of consuls there are alot of diplomatic reprsentetives there including you guys
Christian Harris
Okay that explains it, thank you.
Juan Barnes
The whole world is mixing and will mix. It cannot be stopped. People obsessed with preserivng pure Europeans are delusional. When a guy is horny he can care less of the race. I live in Detroit and i can assure you that you would stick your penis in a ton of these black women with their fat asses and juicy tits.
Xavier Ortiz
anddddddd the town of these hottest women, or am i wrong? Skopje was meh
Elijah Cooper
I was skeptical about the DNA stuff I and I found this now I really don't know in what to believe
