I will remain an atheist until someone can answer this

>he believes in """time"""

I will remain a theist until some can answer this: What made the Universe.

wow ur so based

youtube.com/watch?v=e6Q8ThD-Beo

fucking nigger

I mean... the universe can have always existed. Maybe the universe IS god.

The question is irrelevant just as asking ‘what existed before time existed’ is irrelevant

(1) Universe is the sum total of everything it is.
(2) Nothing in the universe is the cause of itself.
(3) Thus, a force outside of the universe -- space and time -- must be its cause.

The daya doesn’t support it. Universe is finite and will collapse.

hey rated i did post about feminist and forgot to change the name

>believes the universe just magically poofed into existence one day
>can't believe a God magically poofed into existence one day

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read more idiot. no one created him, he was always.
>too stupid to do some basic research
stay atheist, we don't need morons in heaven.

He just runs the simulation.

Ugh. Fake edgy theists who are poorly read make me want to vomit.

There are literally thousandsnof booms and articles on this topic, but here you are, like that laughable troglodyte Dawkins, pretending like you've posed an original thought.

Look into the "uncaused cause" debates.

does god eat? what does he think about when he's bored? does god even get bored?

how thick is his cock even

>If God could "just exist" then so could the universe
That's not logical. They're not the same thing.

To answer your quest: does it even matter? Does a dog give a shit about where its food comes from, or why it's getting the food? It's getting the food. You're a dog compared to God. Deal with it.

>I will remain a Jew
ftfy

look at this

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brute_fact

Conversely, something can't come from nothing.
Science is even more fucked up, so i'm going to go with a being existing outside of time.

the universe being in a perpetually eternal cycle of death and rebirth makes more sense than an all powerful god

God is not bound by space and time sweet summer child

God is order, as opposed to chaos. Math, physics, chemistry, and so on. We can describe their features without invoking a personal god, but that there is a logic of time and space, an order, as opposed to indescribable disorder and chaos, is divine

Universe exists because it must
Nonexistence cannot be without an argument to justify it
We're just the 1 to the 0

what caused the law of causality if nothing caused it and it doe not need a reason then why is it not random

>Kind of ironic when you think about it. Rather than just accepting inevitably of an omnipresent, omniscient creator you just fill the void (in blind faith) might I add with his creation.
You just fill the void with a Jewish fairy tale monster that isn't even the real translation.

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Shh, don't remind atheists the core of their beliefs are all based upon blind faith too, it makes them upset.

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>If God could always "just exist" then so could the universe. Try again
We know the universe hasn't always existed.

Quantum events resulted in causality violations
The universe created by God in turn created God who created the universe

Watch 12 monkeys and you'll understand

>God is order, as opposed to chaos.
Chaos is just a human concept of not understanding certain orders.
You don't need a Jewish fairytale monster creature for that.

Good created our universe, while existing inside of another larger universe created by another god. You stupid fuck.

>causality violations
>The universe created by God in turn created God who created the universe
"violation"... Muh math science fiction

There's not enough matter in the observable universe to suggest that it will have enough gravitational interaction to overcome the expansion of spacetime. Get your data straight. Currently, it supports the heat death hypothesis.

>God is not bound by space and time sweet summer child
Then God doesn't exist

In that case how is god any different from the universe?

The concept of God is something we cannot ever understand, Humans cannot grasp the infinite scope of his power over infinite dimensions. dont try to simplify it and think your smart because you cant come to terms with the thought of the existence of something people cannot understand.

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>I will remain an atheist
>Implying this is my problem
I'm not the one going to hell, what do I care?

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Genesis says the earth was created in seven days what if they were talking about demensions of space so you have 3D matter and 3D time and on the seventh demension god he rests and so does creation

>(1) Universe is the sum total of everything it is.
>(2) Nothing in the universe is the cause of itself.
>(3) Thus, a force outside of the universe -- space and time -- must be its cause.
a force outside of the universe
Universe is the sum total of everything

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The universe works the way it does because of God, God would not work the way he does because of the universe.

nice quints faggot

>god created all the law even the law of causality(that every thing need a cause) and logic
>so logic do not applies on him

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If something is outside space and time, it can’t accurately be described as the cause of anything within space and time, because causation simply IS space and time, spatial contiguity and temporal succession. This is the reason why nothing can be the cause of itself. A causal description simply relates an object to others in space and time, so to say that one object is the cause of itself would not any additional information to our understanding of its motions.

>then so could the universe
The universe has an observable start date retard. Try again with your brainlet theory.

Stay pleb

Why are atheist memes so moronic? God exists of his own necessity; the universe plainly doesn't. The universe is in time, and an actual infinite past is impossible; God is outside of time and therefore exists eternally.

No more stupid arguments. Go read Anthony Flew, who formed the best arguments for atheism... until he became a theist.

>Yeah, it's much more logical to think the universe just sprouted from nothing one day.
Yeah, it's much more logical to think God just sprouted from nothing one day.

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no one cares if you believe in God or not.
they only person who matters in that regard is God.
And your lack of faith has already sealed your fate.
in the end no one will remember you even existed.

>If God could always "just exist" then so could the universe.
The universe is a 3D creation. God is at least a 4D being, and therefore exists in a timeless, omnipresent state.

>Truly I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.

This

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OP are you assuming what time is? If yes weihao if no uhoh.

>Rather than just accepting inevitability of the universe you fill just the void (in blind faith) with your believe in a magical ominpresence

Jewish god authorizes (claims to be the author, or just the boss. plagiarizes, if you like) something he didn't author, just as jewish people sometimes do.
He lies about the tree of good-and-evil, who told you he told the truth about the rest? That is the greatness of that ancient book, that it has layers.

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>actual infinite past is impossible

Why?

God is the Prime Mover, kind of like a fundamental force of reality. Why should a personality we've attached to a cosmic metaphysical force have a beginning? The physical universe had to have a beginning because we observe that it is presently continuing from an initial point. In fact, logically, all things that exist have a logical cause. You are basically asking "So why doesn't the concept of a logical cause have a logical cause?" Because it's concepts like these that exist outside of material reality that give shape to material reality to begin with.

>I'm not the one going to hell, what do I care?
I want to go to mommy Hell!

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>Shh, don't remind atheists the core of their beliefs are all based upon blind faith too, it makes them upset.
Not too. Christians and theists actually have good reasons, unlike atheists.

Based and Breadpilled

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Lol

While both concepts can be stretched so they can be infinite in time. Only God is a necessary being. When studying the nature of contingency we come to the conclusion that in order for things to exist they need to have a cause, a necessary cause that started it all. That cause needs to be necessary and personal because 1) Abstract objects are necessary but don't have causal power and 2) Only personal agents cand decide to cause things at a given time ( a person chooses to stand up from a chair, a force can't, it always stands up or down or it fluctuates for infinity). Even if the universe is infinite (which is not because of the expansion of the universe/ entropy) is still contingent in it's nature and thus relying on a necessary being to bring it in existence. Thus God becomes a necessity in explaining reality.

>Abraham
>Jew
I don't trust Jews.

yes dum dum if logic is universal law and god created it then it does not applies on him are you nigger or what

You cannot into logic. Main difference: we have proof the universe exists, we don‘t have of god. We have two very different approaches to the question if one of it can spawn somehow into existence.

>all things that exist have a logical cause.
>God isn't a logic concept
>concepts outside what is real

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>Imaging God through my Own Image

Ego on this guy.....and whom are you exactly that has such authority? Oh right just a bitter fedora who follows jewtube and verbatim other Marxism teachings

If the Big Bang created the universe, what created the Big Bang?
>Durr it was a point before causality, so it just created itself

The thing something had to have always existed, weather the thing that always existed had intelligence or not decides weather or not it's "God" and I assume there always was intelligence since it exists and can't think of how if could even be "created"

the universe. in unstable space god came into being and he created what we can see in the universe. the frame work for the fabric of reality is not whats inside it that we can see and interact with.

if your then asking who made the frame work maybe god again. after having come into existence he self inserts to start the entire thing before its starts but he always did it because thats how time travel works in this scenario. meaning because god goes through time he always did and thus his actions bring himself into being

how does that work? side stepping the time stream means your no longer subject to the grandfather paradox and other things. so having created the framework before it would have naturally have formed is fine and doesnt undo your existence

all based on assumption, you can't 'prove' this is actually the case. you seem to assume you are right based on circular logic which seems correct to you because you are a believer

Why of course, the universe created god!

God IS.

If the universe created the Big Bang, who created the universe ?

so maybe we have a ultra god and a god. ultra god is the first and god is the second

Because it implies an infinite number of steps, causes or intervals of time have elapsed prior to the present moment. You cannot come to the end of an infinite series - there is always more.

But we are in the present moment, ergo an infinite past does not exist.

If god is omnipresent and lives outside of time how did he bring sacred texts to earth.

If the programmer programmed the Operating System, who programmed the programmer?

Aqunias at best makes a case for vague deism.

>It’s turtles all the way down
Atheists are not very brightl

because infinity by it definition never end if infinite time has passed then infinity has ended witch is illogical

God you are so fucking dumb.
Your theory: >Nothing
>God
>Everything
Atheist theory (not necessarily true):
>Nothing
>Everything

God only is a middle man to answer a question which we do not know the answer to.

Can this board please purge these retarded christfags? They still need the OG redpill.

Check out Zeno's paradox and Aristotle's disproof of the actual infinite.

Who cares? God isn't from this universe he's god.

Little boy creates a baby universe.

Looking into the necessity and contingency of things gives us the insight that the universe is contingent even if it's infinite(it is not infinite) and that it has a cause and that cause is necessary and personal(so that it doesn't cause itself and also to have power to cause things at a given point).

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You need to understand something... You know that an electron exists because we can observe interactions, yet it's impossible to visualize an electron. There is no theoretical way to capture an electron... The reason for this is because it exists outside of our observable Universe and doesn't behave according to the laws of relative physics.

That is the single greatest clue I can give you. If it doesn't exist in the observable Universe, where does it exist? How old do you presume an electron is? Answer these questions if you have a mind to think for yourself...

Then I guess you will be an atheist forever faggot

>if the universe created itself, then who created itself

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God is a neutrino in another universe.

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The earliest observable period is the point at which photons are first able to traverse spacetime in a timeframe that allows their current detection without re-absorption, observed as the cosmic microwave background today. Before this point, we attribute our understanding to modeling and conjecture. This goes as far back as the breaking of higher order symmetry into the known forces that constitute interactions in the observable universe. To say that we have empirical data that claims we know what occurred prior to these points is beyond misleading.

Metaphysics, whether it's mysticism or theoretical physics, still requires faith at some point, at least until we can expand our body of knowledge with testable hypotheses.

Imagine being stuck in endless time and no happening? At some point the Nothing got so bored it created a universe. Anything that can happen will eventually happen. Chances are big god exists too