Does being helpful to women lower their attraction towards you?

>Some of us like
It's not about what you like but what you're subconsciously attracted to on an instinctual level.

>When people are rude it's an immediate turn off.

This goes both ways. I try to be a professional at work but fuck me if I don't HATE attractive young women and their bitch shields. They can almost never be talked to in a friendly way without them turning that shit on.

I get it. Guys hit on you all the time. But we're at work honey. I'm not trying to fuck you in the copy room. We HAVE to spend 8 hours a day in each others vicinity. I'm just trying my best to not hate you so much I want to smack you upside the head with the stapler. Srsly, get that shit under control. Unless someone is overtly hitting on you, keep yourself under wraps. No, me making a joke is not hitting on you.

I mean, I do understand but no I don't appreciate it one fucking bit because at the end of the day I still have to put up with their bullshit. So fuck that and fuck the bitch shields usefulness in the grand scheme of mate selection. I'm just trying to file shit.

Where are these women being harassed by guys day to day? I have never experienced a guy hitting on me or sexually harassing me in my life and I don't know why. I'm not a disgusting hambeast but I am a bit chubby and dress modestly. I almost feel shitty for not being harassed, like I'm the chick who's "too ugly to rape."

Yes. They start to see you as a "friend" / ATM / Wish-granter / favor-doer. Do not do anything for any women not sleeping with you. In fact I'd suggest to not even continue talking to them.

9/10 bait

Not bait. What would I be baiting?

Being female
Caring what other people think about you /your appearance
Feeling bad instead of empowered by your lack of male attention (trust me they suck anyway)

There's nothing "empowering" about being invisible to everyone. I don't get any acknowledgement for anything I do. I always do my best to help everyone and be outgoing but I'm still ignored.

Yes, contrary to TRP bullshit, kindness and altruism are universally attractive, and doing favors for women has been the part of courtship for centuries. Little favors and gifts is how women are groomed into prostitution and recruited into crazy cults. Just keep a couple of things in mind:

1) Don't give an impression that you're helping a woman with something just because you hope to get into her pants.
2) Don't go out of your way to help someone with something that is not even a tiny problem. Here's a silly example: let's say there's a college exam coming up, so you show up to the test, walk up to a girl that you barely ever spoke to and tell her that you brought an extra pencil just in case she forgot hers, and then you give her to her. That's not being helpful, that's being creepy as fuck, and that's the sort of shit nice guys™ pull off and then complain about how women only want assholes.

See, if you're actually friends with the said girl, and she has a tendency to show up on 70% of exams without a pencil, then it would actually be a nice and thoughtful gesture.

So tldr, don't go out of your way, don't make grand gestures, don't expect to be praised and act like you saved someone's life by helping them carry a bag, don't give help when help is completely unnecessary and unasked for. Also, it's not just helping women, but women will like guys who help everyone, as long as you're not being a doormat and a people-pleaser.

The other extreme is pro fake girls st work. Girls that will have deep conversations about life, family, things you both like but as soon as they quit or get promoted out of the group, you're dead.

Sometimes I wonder if this is why women were kept out of the workforce. Men dont like being treated thr way women treat women.

Yes, kindness to others that they can see is attractive. It's kind of like seeing you with babies or puppies. It gives them an idea of what kind of dad you would be.

Be aware that 90% of the trolls have never actually spoken to a real live girl and therefore hate them.

Being helpful will never harm you with others, male or female. It is no guarantee that a woman will fall in love with you either.

It's one of those things that has to be its own reward

It's not the 'being helpful' part that lowers a girls attraction. When you start pedestalizing women however, that's when it becomes a problem. You say you tend to be more helpful to girls you fancy, that's straight up pedestalization and beta behavior.

Being helpful because you're genuinely a helpful and good person is completely fine. Being helpful to a chick because you hope it will make her like you more will achieve the opposite. Women see right through this bullshit and they immediately place you in the friendzone category.

See, the problem is that you were always in the friendzone. If you were hot, she'd made her desires known well before a guy could do enough stuff to look like a eta.

That's the problem with all these pua narratives. Everything is a rationalization of already accrued behavior under the assumption your boy had a chance. There is a high likelyhood he did. Ot.

You're false user.

Guys who are inherently attractive, do not bend over backwards in an effort to get a girl to like them. I've dated and slept with plenty of girls in my life and if there is one thing i found, it's that doing favors for women doesn't help you get in her pants. If you think it does you're a fool.

OP specifically mentioned that he is nicer to girls he fancies than to girls he doesn't fancy. If this always worked out well for him, do you think he'd still be making this thread?

>OP specifically mentioned that he is nicer to girls he fancies than to girls he doesn't fancy.

This is all men. Is your time, sex, interaction not a gift? Do you give them equally to hot and ugly women?

Everyone knows this is true. What do we tell girls when they make threads asking if a guy likes her? Does he seek you out? Is he nice to you? Does he compliment you? Does he give you anything?

These are all gifts.

Gifts from men are like big tits. Big tits on a fat girl will only get her a certain level of guy. Same for an ugly girl. But on a hot girl? She can have the world.

At the end of the day you still have to be attractive. Gifts are not a cheat code.

yeah, dont help if they dont ask for it, and if they arent asking and just focusing on something ask first of you can be of any help.

There's being helpful, and there's being a doormat, and the line between them is very thin. If you're a doormat expect to be taken advantage of quickly.

Sucker from my old class learned that the hard way when he drove the class thot home with his car, reducing her time to get home by almost half an hour. At least he quit after a month, and no, she didn't ever show romantic interest in him.

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I had the hottest girl trying to use me as a doormat too.
I let her copy my homework 2 times and the 3rd time I told her "no" and she had this dumb-founded look on her face, and asked "why not?", I said "just" and she didn't bother me anymore until last year when she texted me, asking to see some assignment, and I sent her to another guy, and when I texted her a few months later, I got ghosted, kek. She was extremely friendly though and had model-tier looks, so I could definitely see her being used to taking advantage of guys.

Why did he think a ride home would get him laid?

The girl isnt the villain here. Why did he think he would get sex from a car ride?

If they aren't attracted to you no matter what you do it will not increase the attraction. If she is attracted to you and you her then you should both help each other.

Many guys are so desperate to get laid, they'll do nearly anything to have any chance of getting it. That's why some guys will spends hundreds if not thousands of dollars on random chicks. Taking them out to expensive dinners, buying them expensive gifts, taking them on fancy trips etc. They're all schemes to try and impress her so she'll suck his dick.

In the end of the day, like i mentioned earlier in this thread, no amount of money or effort will affect her desire for you. If you want to get a woman in your bed you simply need to be social, attractive and escalate. She'll either like you or she won't.

I'm sitting here with my girlfriend, and I read your question out to her word for word.

She says yes, that's bad.
"Because we like...we like a little bit of dickheadedness".

Her words, word for word.

"We say that we want somebody to do XY&Z for us, but we really don't".

Lol, this both confirms and rejects the notion of

"Dont listen to women about how to attract women"

There is nothing special about this. People like assertive people. And some of us like people that are mean or sassy to others. It's like the nice guy that likes the top girl or queen bee. Her sass is hot. Her ruling the other girls is hot. If she protected him or was mean to others on his behalf, it would be hot.

BUT it sucks when those knives are turned inward. No one wants the so to be mean to them. They want them to be mean to others on their behalf.

The problem is that people are not smart missiles. They dont target just one person with their behavior. The guy that is hateful and mean to others will probably be mean and hateful to you. The girl that is bitchy, sassy, or hateful to other girls and some guys is going to eventually do it to you.

That's why they say you should pay attention to how a girl talks about her ex. That's going to be how she treats you when she's mad or upset.

>implying the nerdy guys who do their homework get pussy

she will lose respect for being needy and a pushover. you tell her "NO" unless she is paying you or if she is giving you sex.