Apostles of Christ

Not john

Strawmanning and switching the topic is the way jews always argue

This. It's a very cowardly way to argue

>shit people have done in the past is so absurd what they believed had to be true

This is your argument.

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>comparing a massacre and people looking for free gibs to martyrs who sacrificed everything to what they saw as the truth

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LORD Iesous Christos, Son of God, have mercy on us.

Point is, people can believe anything hard enough to die for it, doesn't make it true or false.

based and redpilled

Because all sorts of people die for all sorts of lies all the time, OP?

>le someone in the conspiracy would've cracked argument
wrong, and proven wrong by virtually any conspiracy in history. a few people are aware of the con, the rest are true believers. christ can be something other than what the followers of paul believed he was AND they would believe in it enough to die for it. it doesn't mean he was the son of god or that he purposefully left the religion to a bunch of faggy jews with mental issues.

or you could argue that none of the stories about these people are reliable, as history was completely rewritten and cleaned up by rome. do you think any evidence contrary to their authorized history would've been allowed to survive? friendly reminder that they were the intelligentia of the middle ages were the only ones versed in latin or educated in research or free to do something other than toil in the fields and pay taxes to the church, so they were in a perfect position to systematically purge history of any uncomfortable records.

for instance, did you know that the northern heathens didn't have written language? yeah, it's totally true. those runes are literally meaningless goys. we brought them the desert truth that our desert god revealed only to special, chosen desert people!

>fedora intellectuals

>turks with no identity

How do we know the apostles’ remains are actually in those places?

>none of the stories about these people are reliable
>it doesn't mean he was the son of god
>christ can be something other than what the followers of paul believed he was
oh youre coping so fucking hard

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You do realize His existence was widely accepted as fact during the time, right? Even the major nations of the time wrote about him. There was thousands of witnesses that corroborated the stories. You do realize how many people saw the crucifixion and then saw him after He rose, right? You're underestimating the scope of the whole thing

>If it was just a lie, why would they all fucking die for it?
Not a single manuscript source exists describing Christians being executed for their beliefs. It's all later church propaganda.
>And why would all the pagans convert despite even risking brutal death punishment for it?
See above.

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>This. Also why would the Romans write about Him? And scholars at the time?
No Romans wrote about Jesus until the late 2nd century.

>Better question for athiestucks, how do you know Alexander the Great was real even though he was before Jesus?
Because we have a wealth of numismatic and architectural evidence attesting to the existence of Alexander the Great.

>You do realize His existence was widely accepted as fact during the time, right?
Apart from the Pauline epistles, which explicitly state that Jesus only ever appeared in dreams.

>implying they even existed, much less died the way it is written
ISHYGDDT

Hahaha, the massive persecution of Christians in rome the first 300 years was just xtian propaganda, goy! nero, domitian, trajan, hadrian etc. etc. was actually peaceful and loving, goy! and the countless martyrdoms were just pure speculation!
oh boi, the next cope is even harder than the first one

>and the countless martyrdoms were just pure speculation!
Please post contemporary manuscript evidence that those martyrdoms actually took place.

>for instance, did you know that the northern heathens didn't have written language?
They had no literary culture, no books. You're twisting the claim and disrespecting the "northern heathens" by implying from your very Christian perspective that they needed a literary culture because your Christian mind can't fathom anything else. Knowledge was encoded in complex poetry with structures modern people still can't recreate. A single poem could be worth an actual fortune and could secure more military victories than the greatest sword. What the Sagas say about how runes worked matches what we see in the surviving runes. In none of the archaeological digs does anyone ever find anything looking like scrolls or books.

im not even sure if I should even bother wasting time on someone doubting the massive persecution of Christians by rome, but Martyrdom of Polycarp is one of several

I guess its the type of jewish arguments I could expect from someone who even doubts the existence of Christ though, kek

>im not even sure if I should even bother wasting time on someone doubting the massive persecution of Christians by rome, but Martyrdom of Polycarp is one of several
Oh, nice find! Except that the 'Martyrdom of Polycarp' is probably a 4th/5th century document and is, therefore, not worth the Jewish foreskin paper it's written on

It was written in the 2nd century, published in the 4th.

>If it was just a lie, why would they all fucking die for it?
for exactly the same reason jackson and sharpton are still at it, a power shakedown,.

notice also the immediate switch to "you are not white" if given the slightest oppurtunity, as displayed by these people are definitly kikes

>It was written in the 2nd century, published in the 4th.
WTF are you talking about? "Published"?

Bitch, people didn't "publish" books before the invention of the printing press.

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>Martyrdom of Polycarp is a manuscript written in the form of a letter that relates the religious martyrdom of Polycarp, Bishop of Smyrna and disciple of John the Apostle in the 2nd century AD.
are you fucking retarded or something? holy shit

>EXISTING COPIES: 24,000
Almost all of them medieval. Just another Christian lie!
>YEARS BETWEEN ORIGINAL AND EARLIEST SURVIVING COPIES: 40-70
Actually it's at least 200 years. More like 300 if you want to talk about a complete manuscript. Just another Christian lie!

>>Martyrdom of Polycarp is a manuscript written in the form of a letter that relates the religious martyrdom of Polycarp
So you say. But why should I believe you, when all the actual historians think it's a later literary work?

>So you say
ITS LITERALLY FROM THE WIKIPEDIA PAGE YOU FUCKING MONGREL
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

Paul's real name is Saul
why do humans keep forgetting who gets to write history?

>ITS LITERALLY FROM THE WIKIPEDIA PAGE YOU FUCKING MONGREL
You know that Wikipedia is written by people like you, right...?

oh hahahah oh no no youre coping so fucking hard

>Paul's real name is Saul
Liar. I've been reading the Pauline epistles this week, and not once does he describe himself as Saul.

This .just because someone died for it doesnt mean that its true. Also why wouldnt people write about jesus?and the best part: tell me about one record of jesus christ from his time.not after centuries.from his time.also veil that he was wrapped in is from around 13th-14th century.blame the jews huh for faking carbon dating

>tell me about one record of jesus christ from his time.not after centuries.from his time.
There aren't any, unfortunately.

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(you)
i had to check and you are mostly correct as far as my Oxford King James goes

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It's even worse than your Oxford King James suggests. If we're talking about bible manuscripts from the fourth century and earlier, you could comfortable carry them all in your hands AND still have room for a burger and fries

>If it was just a lie, why would they all fucking die for it?

Martyrdom. Self sacrifice is the biggest virtue in the Jesus mythology. Here's what most likely happened:

>Jesus, a faith healing preacher goes around proclaiming the end of days
>he announces the Kingdom of God, in other words, a theocratic staye in Israel
>his movement grows and he tries to set himself apart from the collaborating Jewish ruling class
>he is betrayed before he can rise up against the ruling authorities
>he is executed as a rebel against the Roman Empire, the punishment for which is crucifixion
>Stephen, a Greek follower of Jesus, announces that Jesus has ascended to godhood, a blasphemy for which he's stoned to death
>a new mythology is build on top of the story of Jesus, not as a failed rebel, but as a sacrificial lamb to take on all of the sins of mankind
>martyrdom like that of Stephen is not only a valid reason to die for, it's actually the highest honor to die in the name of Jesus and a one way ticket to heaven

There you go. This is the most likely explanation. It's an explanation that is in line with the historic evidence we have of the socio-political landscape around the time Jesus was alive, and is an explanation that doesn't require the suspension of the laws of physics, like the Jesus myth does

>There you go. This is the most likely explanation.
If it's the most likely explanation, then explain why St Paul NEVER mentions anything that Jesus did or said, even though doing that would have made his arguments much more persuasive

After that you can explain why Paul actually writes that Jesus only ever appeared in dreams

Why have so many died for Marxism?

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mind virus :^)

>Christians
>Asking for proof

>If it was just a lie, why would they all fucking die for it?

People have died for every lie you can invent. Xtianity is just another one. You're not implying that suicide bombers prove the superior truth of Islam, are you?

>And why would all the pagans convert despite even risking brutal death punishment for it?

Xtianity appeals to aspiring victims seeking affirmation through suffering.

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But he was exiled to the island of Patmos.

it's a literal fucking death cult that tells you you go to the happy place when you die, of course the brainwashed are going to seek death

Source: Alexander Solzhenitsyn's last book, Two Hundred Years Together.

My based paG*n ancestors rejected tree worship for the truth of GOD.

Those still clinging to the primitive paG*n past make your ancestors ashamed.

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