Should men bother with online dating?

Online dating seems like such a weird place man. As a man, should I even bother using it? I have been on okcupid for 5 years and have had no dates. I am trying bumble more recently and I swear its looping me people I have seen before. But maybe not? A friend was telling me that bumble is a crap shoot. You would think women going first would change things but apparently women INSTANT match with every guy they swipe right on because men "shotgun blast" and swipe right on every woman. Fucking hell. What is the proper way to online date? I have had conversations on okcupid but I never get the date.

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I've had better results on tinder and bumble. Not enough girls on OkC where i live. POF has more girls, but more are bots as well and I've had even fewer dates on there. But yeah I always got results on tinder if I was persistent enough.

altho that being said almost all the girls I've met online have been hoes. Only one girl was nonho but I messed up on the date. ymmv

I've had no problem with these apps.
Fix your profile and take better pictures.

It's trash and you'll punch way below your weight in terms of the attractiveness of girls you pull.

Invest the effort and discomfort to meet girls irl it has a much better ROI

Fuck... How can I take better pictures? All my pictures are selfies. In different areas but I just don't have any friends to take pictures with.

I've seen this advice posted a lot but where would you even go? What would even be a good place to meet girls who are more introverted and geeky? Places like bars or whatever are just as bottom barrel as these apps are, but I can't think of a place these kinds of girls would go to if not the more detached option of online dating.

Yeah no selfies unless you're a 10 or have a dog in it.
Women are judging you by your profile and they want to see you're distinguished interesting or fun.

Photos with friends, doing sports, as an experiment I added a picture with my gf (she knows I'm on it again I just swipe right for lols.) And my matches sky rocketed. So pics with girls.

There's some kind of instinct there I've heard. Pretty sure it's a shortcut to see if you're a viable mate. They see the woman and their brains are like "well if SHE wants him" so they just assume you're cool.

No idea how I would do this. I don't have things to do like this. I guess I would have to make some shit up which sucks.

it's for desperate people
attractive women don't use them

Met my girlfriend on Bumble (where I had much more luck meeting wholesome women).

Here is my shirt advice. Don’t take it too seriously. If you think you’re going to meet the love of your life on every date you are going to be disappointed repeatedly. Go into it with the mindset of “I hope I like her, if not, oh well” and life goes on.

1st picture should be a clear pic of yourself without sunglasses or any other stupid shit. Other photos should be you enjoying sports, hobbies, etc.

Make a damn Bio so they can start a conversation.

It’s all about volume. You go in a lot of dates, you have more of a chance to find your girl. It took my 11 different women to find my girlfriend.

Get ready to be rejected, reject some yourself, get ghosted, ghost some yourself as well. All in all OP just enjoy the time you spend with these women, and try to relax and not overthink things. Godspeed.

*short advice*

Not even. Just go on meetup or something and try some shit and get pictures and bio "I'm currently trying a bunch of new things!!!" And some boring ass chickll see it and think about how much she wants to do new things.

Bam you already have good chemistry. Two boring people trying to turn it around. That's one hell of a bond builder right there.

No, but to be honest dating in general sucks. A lot of people expect a partner is someone who just puts up with everything and is an infinite bastion of acceptance and blind eyes turned.

Online just magnifies all the bad and ruins anything good, basically. It's dating without any of the things you'd actually want while pursuing someone.

>Places like bars or whatever are just as bottom barrel as these apps are
Heh heh, no they're not. Not even close.

But let's clarify a few things.
>more introverted and geeky
>introverted
Girls are rarely introverted like guys are. So uncommon that to hope for a girl as fucked up as you is a lost cause. Introverted girls still have friends and go out with them. That's why it's so important to go out. Your little shygirl is pliable and submissive and easily dragged out to places with her social friends. She likes her friends and wants to be there for them even if it means going to a dance club or party. Oh, she likes to dance, but the club atmosphere bothers her.
>geeky
Every girl likes GoT and Marvel movies bro. Many even like entry level anime like Kimi No Na Wa, A Place Further Than The Universe and Miyazaki films. Many have played vidya, extremely common. But they never get into it like dudes do. Never, stop hoping. You will never get a gf that is just a dude in a girls body. She's going to be different than a guy.


Anyways. You need to go out with your friends. Find the girl who's not the center of attention among her group of girls at the bar, the girl who only dances with her friends at the club, the uncomfortable looking one at a party. That's your prey.

Master Pickup Brain here.
Online dating is bad for men, because you have to compete with every omega cuck.

>go to disco or bar
bars and discos make only money on single people so they would go out of business if they would somehow make it easier for you to find girls. you will get beat up by other guys just for looking at girls. you might get drunk and unable to drive a girl to your place to have sex, or if you do not drink, other people will get drunk and appear more confident than you are.

>but what should I do super master pua
1. stop watching porn
2. do comfort zone exercises like talking to strangers
3. learn cold approach pickup (do all the tasks on "rules of the game" and you will get a gf 100%)
4. talk to girls at 11 am in the mall or in the pedestrian area where you are the only guy around. when there are no other guys, it is your territory, so you are the alpha.

my issue with cold pick up is that I don't like to bother people. I saw a woman in the grocery store the other day. She looked really nice to me. I wanted to talk to her but talking to women while they are doing shit seems so fucking weird man. I am not a super good looking dude either. I think I am average.

I tried dating apps. Didn't like it. All feels very shallow and I deleted it pretty quickly.

That said, I was also still clinging to the hope it might work out with a girl I met IRL but that holds disappeared on me now. Might end up trying again to get over her, don't really look forward to it though.

Let me break it down:

Plenty of Fish (POF)
>Do not use this app unless you want a drug addicts, girls with baby daddies, girls with kids, girls who just want your money, girls with STDS

Bumble
>Swipe left on all the "models" Bumble shoves in your face and find a decent girl. You'll need 2 - 4 dates for sex

OKCupid
>Like artsy girls? Look no further, all your types are here but good luck actually meeting them

Tinder
>Wanna fuck some whore and get a nice burning sensation on your balls for the next month?
>Needle in a haystack to find a decent girl
>Lie and say you met on Bumble

>Make a damn Bio
What sort of thing do you put in it?

>picture should be
I don't have many. Might stage some desu. Should be fine so long as I'm not pretending to do things I've never done, right?

looks matter much less when you approach offline.

there are many techniques that can help someone to overcome approach anxiety.
>being present in the moment
feel the fear, accept it and see it as a sign that you have to approach in 3 seconds. (this is called the 3 second rule)
>do the next best thing
if you cannot do something because you are afraid, do the next best thing that you can do without being afraid, even if it is only raising your toes inside your shoes a bit. you can make a chain of things you can do.
>go into state
jump around, do crazy stuff, walk around in boxers. this might sound crazy but if you have done that, approaching a girl feels like a small thing compared to the things you have done before
>hypnotherapy
there are many videos on youtube with self hypnosis to overcome many forms of fear. there are also hypno sessions to ovecome appraoch anxiety. (be careful with hypnotherapy, watch every video at first without going into trance, because in trance people can program your mind. only do hypnotherapy with videos you trust)
>change the way you look at yourself
instead of looking into the mirror and seeing yourself "not looking good, because of y and y and z", find the most beautiful features of your face and just look at them. e.g. "I have such a beautiful chin. my chin is the most beautiful thing in my face. i really like it." this is called changing the filter you see the world with.
also know that for you, you are the most important person in the world, so another person cannot be more important than you. so you are the most important person in the world when you approach a busy girl. you are the price to be won.

Honestly, wow, I never really thought of it like that. So are bars/clubs really the only place I can approach or do something like this user says
And try out the mall as well?
Would it be better to go with friends or is it fine to go alone? How invested should I get with the bar aspect, if at all?

>as an experiment I added a picture with my gf (she knows I'm on it again I just swipe right for lols.) And my matches sky rocketed
interesting, i've always heard the exact opposite, that it just kills it. you sure it was the picture with your gf specifically? i'm still good friends with my ex and am thinking about doing this

Bump?

This. What do I put in a bio?

>11 different women

im a fucking autist that hasnt gotten laid in 1 year

i have had well over 500 matches in the past 4 years

100 of which who i have scored a phone number

probably went on dates with 50 different girls

most dont wanna see me anymore after 1 time

i wanna find out whats wrong with me but they never tell

I have dates from PoF and many of which are misleading others are a bit too angry. Thing is OP these women are on their for a reason. They all have personalities that are hard to work with.