Ameritards btfo

>Businesses involving situations of life and death are not allowed to make money

Crikey, mate, yah reachin bogan level retardedness, betta down anotha fosta's an' hit the barbi in ya togs and leave the thinkin' to the yanks. Yah be roight then, mate!

>ausfag regularly goes to degenerate tranny's website
Sounds about right for a kangaroo fucker

I'm sure the government socialized medicine can pay for the pill. Of course, the same amount of money is being used to pay for the pill, but now we have to pay for a giant bureaucracy to manage these payments

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The only way to fix this is with actual medical competition. Regulating insurance companies was always the low IQ answer because all they do is spread around the cost.

I'm not sure where the funny is supposed to be

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Medicine can design, make and distribute itself , why are board members even required? (That's the joke)

Why are people too stupid for capitalism? As consumers we have ultimate power. But we refuse to educate ourselves, we refuse to have enough self-respect to use our powers. Insurance company fucking people over? Boycott. Business exploiting their workers? Strike. We could fix a lot of problems by simply educating people about how the market works.

Insurance is a service, and should be regulated properly to ensure it isn't abused. That doesn't mean we should nationalize and turn it into an institution. If it's contractually covered at the time of treatment, the insurance company shouldn't be able to Jew their way out of it.

T. American whose grandparents moved from Canada for better healthcare

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I could easily replace the text and reframe it as old and sick Boomers leeching healthcare off young broke workers

is the left deliberately unfunny to fight against the clowns?

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>giant bureaucracy
what is "insurance company"?

Regulating insurance companies is always the leech answer. The vast majority of people are better off with the skimpiest high deductible plan they can find. If you're under 55 and in decent health, Cadillac insurance is a waste of money. Some of these plans are like 20k a year for a family, then you don't know how good your plan is until someone is sick.

t. American who's grandparents are migratory leeches

You do of course know that the situation is much the similar under nationalized health care, only that the evil insurance people are replaced by a board of politicians who decide whether medicine X is too expensive to use on little Timmy who may or may not be worth all the expenses in the long run, right?
Because that's exactly what happens on a daily basis under the great welfare state.

Based. Yeah, pharmaceutical companies need to be unironically taken over by the people. Yes, da gubbermint. Enshrine into law that such behavior in pic related is illegal and enforce the law with extreme prejudice.

who watches the watchmen? any organization for profit will sooner or later screw the people for profit

As bad as it is now, it's going to be so much worse in 10 years because of Boomers and endless nonwhite immigrants

So in private healthcare faceless companies keep high prices on orphan drugs, but in scary evil socialised healthcare the evil scummy board of ministry decides the medicine is not effective to finance it. So thats why its great to be fleeced by the greedy insurance jew.

The whole reason Medicine is so expensive is because of Insurence in the first place. Corps would LOVE some of that insurence money.

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Many effective drugs are not covered due to cost. Just one example would be triptans for headaches. So you can get ass raped paying taxes for Boomers and medically needy nonwhite immigrants, then when you get sick wait 12 hours in the ER and 6 months in queue for your specialist visit, or you can keep the money in your wallet and have it to buy your own medical care. Your choice

Socialized medicine is only a net benefit to leeches

imagine being the richest country in the planet and yet you cant afford healthcare, wheres all the money dudes?

The grass is simply not quite as green on this side as implied.

The reason medicine is expensive is because everyone involved is not being prosecuted for the multiple felony violations of anti-trust law they commit every day. They don't have an exemption but people in America are spineless and won't demand that the crimes be prosecuted and back that demand up with a credible "or else". The "or else" doesn't have to be violent, a general strike will accomplish it. But hey everyone's belly is full and there's sportsball on tv...

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They are not going to pay jewish scam prices when a cheaper treatment is available

Good, that would be socialism if they were covered :)

Your healthcare is one of the best in the world, why are you so retarded

Our healthcare denies life saving medication every single day because they deem the patients not worth it. You don't know anything about our healthcare and it's 3+3+3+3+3+3+3+infinity months long queues.

this is antisemitic

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Ah yes, because private companies looking for a profit are known to be as bloated as government agencies.

>implying that what goes on between insurance companies and medical providers is fair dinkum

Good thing we're gonna get a free, online national database of medical services and their costs soon.

If some medications price is so jacked up by the pharmaceutical companies, theres no need to spend millions on some ineffective rare drug. Post an example if you want to talk facts.

Heavily regulated industries are as much if not more bloated than the government.

Do you think there is an actual free market determining success or failure in this country for businesses bigger than a mom and pop restaurant at this point?

You dipshits realize that our salaries are double yours, right? Every competent American makes enough money that even with a debilitating illness that takes thousands in insurance every month, we'd be pulling in more money than your 2nd world countries.

The only people who like/want free healthcare are lazy, ambitionless, vermin.

>Good, that would be socialism if they were covered :)
Literally quoting the current policy on triptans in commie Canada

All new and effective medications are jacked up to the max. A recent example would be a medication for muscle atrophy syndromes. Shitloads of people denied because the company that owns the patent has jacked it up to the max. You are correct on that jacked up part.

But what you don't understand is that the government does a cost/value calculation on you that is at least as fucking brutal as a medical insurance company would do on whether it's "worthwhile" to save your ass or let you suffer.
There is a reason we have a parallel private healthcare system that has fucking exploded in size over the last decade.

I get triptans covered for migraine, thank fuck. Those single dose inhalers would ruin me if I didn't and the cheap pills don't even work when I'm able to keep them down.

Kek did this really happen

>and that's why insurance must be made mandatory

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My hand to God, fren.

Doctors in the US don't even help people. Their goal is to put you on life-long medication that they can charge for and also makes you sicker over time. Insulin and statins are perfect examples.

Now compare the cost of your triptans to how much money your government is leeching out of you for healthcare.

Insulin for type 2 diabetes blows my mind. That money would be better put into adult fat camp/behaviour modification. Insulin is really expensive and pretty dangerous

Dude, I'm not the one defending nationalized health care like it's the best thing since Jesus in this thread.
I spent 4 fucking years of my life fighting that system.

Dying shows weakness
lards simply pay to avoid it lol

When type 2 progresses too far, the body can't keep up with the insulin levels it needs to regulate the blood sugar levels. Remain a fatass on type 2, and insulin is a must in the end.
My fat ass sister is at that stage and my late grandfather, who was a skinny as skinny gets had it too.

You're still paying twice you mongoloid. Do you think when you read posts or are your thoughts on autopilot?

Insulin just makes the problem worse. This is a proven fact. You can solve type II with a fasting regimen. Lots of countries with socialized medical care, single payer, are experimenting with this because of the obvious cost savings.

Injecting insulin damages every cell in the body. This is really the reason why type II diabetics get blindness, amputations, nerve damage, etc. They even get weight gain. Yes, injecting insulin causes weight gain which is the ultimate irony.

Do you know how type 2 progresses? Because i know due to having 2 family members with it (1 late). It begins with insulin resistance, where the blood sugar is continuously so high that the pancreas boosts production of insulin to combat it.
Now if you ignore that shit and go right back to your carb and mcdiet, the insulin levels will continue rising and the pancreas will continue to push out more and more insulin until it finally says "you know what? fuck this shit" and can no longer produce enough insulin to keep shit more or less in check.
That's when injected insulin becomes a must, the pancreas simply can't handle the load and gives up.

when i turned 18 i bought my own health plan for like $60 / month
because i was employed.

Suddenly jokes like this are not funny when your father has cancer. Universal healthcare pays for everything, though. If he's gonna need some advanced medicine not in the plan I'll take a loan.
I only want him to live ;_;

>LMAO NIGGER

>BOTTOM TEXT

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>the blood sugar is continuously so high
This is why you start a fasting regimen and improve your diet.

You start eating healthy and get exercise or prepare for the inevitable insulin pen. Fasting doesn't "solve" jack shit. That's some colloidal silver tier medical "advice".

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Who cares? If you need a super rare medication maybe you need to die? Covering day to day problems is more inportant than rare ineffective bullshit

>Insulin bad
Lmao

Ah yes, the "take two paracetamol and don't call me in the morning" approach. Very common in nationalized healthcare.

>You start eating healthy and get exercise or prepare for the inevitable insulin pen.
It's like you know the truth and yet....

Go starve yourself, faggot.

Wait, isn't this basically a death panel? Or are they saying those don't exist, because it's happened before, and is probably continuing. Only difference is their incentive isn't profit.

salaries 2x rest of world
health-costs 100x rest of world

Europoors btfo

Better than.
>Take this one Super Paracetamol for 500$ and dont you dare forget about paying your insurance bill or I will take your house

What's going on with the pill prices in the US?

>Sorry bro, you're going to have to die because we the state don't think you're worth keeping alive with super paracetamol
I don't really see much difference. I pay taxes that go to pay for nationalized healthcare, people with medical insurance pay a part of their paycheck to get insurance. We both get fucked in the end.

what if there wasn't a big pharma and neither intellectual property rights? what if you could buy "pirated" versions of drugs and medicines the way we used to buy pirate copies of games back in the day?

Go suck government cum somewhere else pussy.

No, we pay taxes so 95% of problems are covered and when you lose job you still have coverage, while in the good ol'us of a yiu get skinned alive for a visit in the ER and some diseases mean you go bankrupt

Tough words of a salve of the govt. Israeli govt.

And people pay health insurance for the exact same thing.

Holy shit that was a terrible meme. At this point they should stop trying and find another form of discourse. This is pathetic.

FROM canada you stupid fucking leaf.

Look nigger im an md and I know how private insurance fleecing works. If you want to make me suler rich, pls keep pushing for private healthcare and please get leukemia.

Doesn't that make you half leaf? Go rake yourself.

Sure you are. Shouldn't you be cruising around in your Ferrari getting blowjobs from supermodels instead of post with a memeflag on Jow Forums like the sad faggot you actually are?
I bet you're the fucking commie German.

I dont have those since my country has socialised healthcare. But soon since your idiocy is contagious one day I will skin alive morons like you for a simple procedure

You can stop bullshitting and take off your memeflag while you're at it, Franz. Or is it Abdullah?

So you can ad hom? What shitty genes do you carry nigger? What kind of a genetic fuck up you are? Are your kids downies?

he's a swede

Calling you out on your bullshit, "doctor", is not a attack on your person, it's calling out your bullshit.
Even a first year who took the mandatory introductory course in philosophy at any university would know that.
Döner business doing well?

Now that's an actual ad hominem. But I forgive you, cunt.

It really depends. In Russia you get very random quality of medical services using universal healthcare. Sometimes it's like you describe and sometimes you get surgeries that would cost a fortune otherwise, and our people is poor and cannot afford much. The biggest problem is the underfunding of the system.

I'm not saying they don't do good work as well, but this whole nationalized healthcare is the best thing since Jesus bullshit has to end.
Because it's simply not fucking true.

Yeah, donering your mother

Quality retort, "doctor".

Its good for the majority, bad for genetic fucks. Maybe you should move to a country without national healthcare? Like vast parts of africa

Maybe you should move back to Africa?

fixed

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Hey remember Alfie Evans?
I do.

Like I need to prove anything to anonymous nobodies

Subtle.

Do yourself a favour. Just close the tab. Nobody but you will remember that one time you lied about being a doctor on the internet.